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rvp2018:
First I am trying to avoid a long winded hongkong+Taiwan argument by defining the parameters of our engagement - which is why I shared kenya data - Obviously KENYA IS NEVER COMPETING with Nigeria - you're competing with DRC and Tanzania with likes of your neigbours Niger, CHAD & Benin in bottom 10 of any index out there. Cameroon and Ghana seem to be fairly progressive.

We will get down to GDP contribution.

You do not dispute the crazy fact that Nollywood is second to agricluture in labour contribution. Kindly enlighten us.

So you have a million actors and actress - and muscians - that pretty huge. Okay first breakdown for us your labour market. How many farmers are we talking about. I am assuming out of 188M people - about half are kids (under 15 or over 65) - so we are talking a labour force of 80-90M. Kindly breaks this down for us - how many people work in public sector (federal+state+local), how many work in private sector (?), how many work in informal-sector including farming, and the JEWEL on the CROWN - NOLLYWOOD.

And for reference in just the state of California - the city of LOS ANGELES - HOLLYWOOD(maybe a thousand times bigger than nollywood) - only 2.5% of private sector work in that industry. This is your brazil baseline - 10 times bigger and using a tractor yet you the crazy nigerian claim to use only 1/10 of the land tirelessly working the hoe to get the same output - 9th world wonder.

l have no interest in this dick measurement with you, since you are so much interested in Nigeria, you know where to get the data of the Labour force from, why not get it and post it here, or give me something to dispute my claim that nollywood as a firm employs more people besides Government wages. Others are into other private services, Construction etc which may be larger than nollywood, but nollywood as a single form employs over a million people involved in acting, video work, editing, etc etc. Can you disprove my claim, l have no time for all these.
Also stop quoting figures irresponsibly without facts, 50Billion dollars is your claim and then you fallaciously argue based on the rubbish figure, you have always been known for that on this thread, doesn't tell well of you, good day.

rvp2018:
Before we discuss Nollywood contribution to in value(GDP) in dollars; let talk about Labour; so give me a summary of your employment data; I know it's pretty hard considering it's a jungle there but tell me how many nollywood actors and actress we are talking about here.

I can help you with kenya data so we can have structured conversation.More than half our people are under 15 and over 65(dependant - not working) - so we are talking about labour force of 15-20M.
We have about 0.8-1M people employed by gov and it's agencies;
we have about 1.5-2M employed formally by private sector
We have about 12-15M employed informally -(majority being farmers (7.5-8M) -others are herders, drivers & conductors in public transports, masons & related in informal constructions, saloonists,etc).

I don't think we can even rank our riverwood(creative industry)- musicians to artist - because their number would never make even 0.0001% of our labour force.

I am all hears - I am waiting to hear that you have 100M nollywood actors and actress In the absurd things we have learned about nigeria - including 80-100B hoe-powered agriclutured - this one will top it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nigeria trully a crazy place.

First l asked you, can you give me the source of your claim that nollywood is worth 50Billion dollars?? lf you can't, then admit you goofed, no need dribbling around that.
Nollywood employs over a million people both directly and indirectly ( not 100 million people). They are the second largest employers of Labour aside the Government, and as a firm, they are the second besides Agriculture which employs most of the North Central, the core North and a large proportion of the South ( to a smaller extent).
ls there anything else you would like to know?
Also no one asked you to quote Kenyan statistics here, why do you think l'll care to read all of that? Nigeria is not competing with Kenya.
Besides this same nollywood you berate, has it's largest export base in Kenya such that even the founder of lroko tv( Netflix for nollywood) is about opening a branch in Kenya.

rvp2018:
Saying it it many times doesn't give it credence. The same way you're bleating about Taiwan-Hongkong so many times! Just give sound argument why you think kenya GDP is 60 or even 30B - and those of us who think it should be 100B - will be here to make counter-arguments. You're clearly unable to defend Yemi Kale nonsense that alleges your hoe-powered agricluture is equal to Brazil or the equally insane argument that NollyWood is worth 50B dollars & is 2nd biggest employer in Nigeria.

We are waiting to hear you shred Kenya's GDP and knock off 30B dollars off it

Can you quote any data that says Nollywood is worth 50Billion dollars Why do you pull nonsense off your arse all the time? And yes nollywood is the second biggest employer of Labour in Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
It's clear enough nah.From my end the case is closed since you already admitted you were in error. I am only still indulging you because you keep bringing it back in your usual attitude of employing ambiguity. What more is there to say?



Classic bullshit. You might want to reread what I quoted to know why I said what I did. You keep repeating the same thing and when you are replied in a deserving manner, you cry foul.

Stop rehashing nonsense. I already made my point clear on this. Keep your emotions to yourself.




You said clearly and I quote: Hong Kong's citizens have pushed for autonomy and this is why it remains a separate administrative region.
What autonomy did they push for when they already had it?Protesting to make China stay out of their politics is clearly different from pushing for autonomy when they already had it.Even a primary school girl would tell you that.Keep embarrassing yourself.




This argument started with my comment bolding and quoting two erroneous statements you made.
The bolded would be welcome. Trust me.
Drawing facts from your behind again. You never learn. Do you.Go and do your research like you always go back to do----and show us how Nigeria in TI's bottom 10 last year or this year.You have so failed miserably to substantiate your silly conjectures. Kenyans and Ghanaians have not eviscerated anyone here.Are you desperately arrogating to yourself the role of an umpire to score cheap points again. I won't put that above you.




Hahahahahahaha, are you this desperate in real life?.
You didn't endorse the study but felt the need to bring it up in your.No one forced you to bring it up. Or did I?
Yes,it's a fact that India would have been richer if it wasn't so populous.
I actually thought you were younger. It's only in this part of the world that people would use age as an excuse. Obama not visiting Nigeria was America's way of registering displeasure with Jonathan's regime. It was politics and you were not "matured" enough to understand that nuanced move.
As an eleven year old,I had access to nta,CNN, BBC and my Dad's Economist magazines.Your comic books and video game console are not credible excuses for another one of your famous "oversights". If you were not sure of something,you simply don't say it.It's very clear you haven't moved on much from the time you were eleven.

chai, you are wicked. Abeg take am easy on the guy, bikonu.

TayserMahiri:
What they are trying to tell you is that your per capita is based on cooked GDP. Personally I have always held that Nigeria should never have rebased. This rebasing has caused you a lot of embarrassment because the figures dont match anything on the ground. You erred on the Oil in Tz part. Its impossible even with oil for them to be richer than Kenya.

Check again, almost all oil producing nations in Africa( no matter their problems) have a bigger economy than Kenya, so why should Tanzania be different.
Just recently Nigerian vice president Osibanjo quoted some figures Nigeria realized from oil between 1999-2009, and it was a whooping 401Billion dollars, that is approximately 40 BILLION DOLLARS YEARLY, and this increased to more than 70 Billion dollars yearly in the following 5 years. Maybe you underestimate the role of the oil and gas sector in an economy.
Even then, Nigeria is more diversified than many think, just that the economy is way too informal.

obaaderemi:
The bolded is why I said the case is closed on that Hong Kong affair,my boy. If this back and forth had made you to do your research to arrive at belief different from your earlier erroneous belief, what more is there to say?I am sure next time you would put the horse before the cart and be sure of what you are saying before coming online to misinform others.



I didn't know you always waited expectantly for my responses. You must have heaved a big sigh of relief then,thinking you were free.Sorry, I will make my responses earlier next time.This must really mean a lot to you.So you agree autonomy is a synonym for independence outside politics. But I never said an autonomous country is an independent country. Yes,autonomous countries enjoy a lot of independence but not total independence. Infact complete autonomy is the same thing as independence.So when you say autonomy, in politics it refers to independence concerning many aspects of social, economic and political endeavors. Point out anywhere I said Hong Kong is independent. If you can't do that then this your straw clinging is irrelevant. Keep pretending you don't know what I meant.Anyway, you've conceded on your silly generalization about hong Kong wanting nothing to do with China. What else do I want?



The way you lie is amazing, Maradona.So that 2014 protest was a push for autonomy? You obviously knew nothing about it and quickly researched it and still got your facts wrong. This is a new low for you. An autonomy that has always been there.Retention of autonomy is different from pushing for autonomy. I am beginning to believe you are deliberately mixing up facts to confuse the less knowledgeable people here.




Do you need me to highlight your initial post and how this argument started to jolt your short span memory again? What's my business with small countries not wanting to be like big countries. I started arguing with you on only two points that stood out for me from your post.¹1.Hong Kong never wanted anything to do with China.
2.Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world.
So far you have kept your big mouth shut on the first. The second argument, you still have not been able to substantiate. And I have since left you alone on that. I am not that cruel.


Okay Africans are more stupid than others because the whites tell us so? What will you not say to score points. You remind me of a white scientist who tried to tell the whole world Africans were backward because they were black. A test was carried out on him and he turned out to have a lot of black genes himself.We know your type.
I've answered this already above. Fact is if India were not that big,it would be doing better than it is.

And finally, I guess you were in a coma when George Bush visited Nigeria, olodo.I guess you will run to Google again to do your research to know about something that happened not long ago under your nose.

That Obi Kenobi guy just dey yarn dust, so because only Obama failed to visit Naija, then this makes Naija less important? this type of reasoning baffles me. Here is quote from President Bush's visit to Obasanjo in 2003 after Nigeria played the major role on resolving the Liberian crises then.



[b]Ahead of a meeting with Obasanjo, who was re-elected in April despite accusations of vote rigging, President Bush said the United States looked forward to working with the West African nation on future diplomatic and trade issues.

“We look forward to being an active trading partner with Nigeria. I appreciate your commitment to regional peace and we will work with Nigeria and ECOWAS on issues such as Liberia….” Bush told Obasanjo before a meeting in the capital city of Abuja.

ECOWAS, or the Economic Community of West African States, is a regional trade grouping.

Later, during a speech to an annual summit that focuses on African business development, the president called Nigeria a “nation of great diversity and great promise.”

Nigeria emerged from well over a decade of often brutal military dictatorship in 1999 with the civilian election of Obasanjo, a former military leader who pledged to institute full democratic reform.

On the Liberia conflict, the president reportedly told Obasanjo that he had not decided whether to send U.S. troops to aid in peacekeeping efforts, calling again for embattled Liberian leader Charles Taylor to step down[/b].

rvp2018:
Myth of Nigeria agriculture that statistically compete with Brazil.
Just look at number of tractors they have. Nigeri has 22K compared to India's 1.5 and China 2M. Kenya I think has twice Nigerian tractors. Nigeria number of tractors is close to Somalia
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/AG.LND.TRAC.ZS/rankings
Nigeria also remain world leading import of rice, wheat and name it.

Agriculture in Nigeria is largely non commercial.

rvp2018:
I see you're now happy to take a lower realistic figure of 320B(using black market USD exchange rate). Yemi Kale officially still has your GDP around 400B...and at it very highest 550B (2014 or around). Obviously Oil industry is easy to figure out - because it mostly export driven - so there is a lot of data to cross-reference whatever Yemi-Kale cooks up. I think figure of 50-60B for oil production annually is more or less credible. As for Agri - it's been 20-22% the last few yrs of Nigeria GDP - and according to Yemi Kale's that would be around 100B (more than Brazil in 2014) and now around 80B. It's sixth globally. Everyone of course knows that is BS - and hence Nigeria ECONOMY is also BS. First of all you do not even know what is produced in Nigeria and what isn't - you min of agricluture and Yemi kale have no capacity to do that - they even skipped census for lack of money.

When all is said and done - Nigeria GDP - real GDP is btw 150-200B. I'd but it now at 180B dollars. Your GDP per capita would make you LDC like Tanzania. That is where you really belong if you pick any random indicator of progress and development.

Kenya GDP is now nearing 90B and our GDP per capita around 2,000 dollars.

Who cares about a so called Yemi Kale? Yes the Nigerian GDP was 550 Billion dollars after rebasing and there have been a recession and currency devaluation putting it around 300 Billion dollars, so l don't know where you get your 200Billion dollars from?
Stop viewing Nigeria through the lens of Kenya, Nigeria cannot be compared to Kenya whether in Agriculture or exports, this is expected with the land we have for agriculture, the huge population of subsistence farmers, and of course the oil sector. Nigeria is far richer and bigger than Kenya or anything Kenya can bring forward. The Strength of Kenya is that she seems to be better managed, but again she is highly corrupt and in huge debt. Exporting tea and flowers doesn't do much for an economy, especially a small one of just about 50-70 Billion dollars.
Your GDP figures also do not align with reality, it should be about 50-60 Billion dollars. The Nigerian data is even more trustworthy internationally than that of Kenya. So yes our Agriculture in 2014 was at it's peak and about 80-100 Billion dollars, now it is about 60 Billion dollars and has problems with Herdsmen Crises.
Check well, agriculture grew rapidly under the then minister Adesina between 2012 and 2014, he is now the head of the Afdb and doing well, so yes our Agriculture was on the verge of competing with that of Brazil at the time.

kikuyu1:
Here's an example of our GENUINE GDP GROWTH AND PROPER AUDITING WITH OUR DAIRY BIZ. A glance at our diary sector shows our ishyt is real! Do you know almost 20% of all milk produced in SSA is ours?




http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd29/7/atiw29139.html

In fact ..


the rest is taken up by tea,coffee,grains,potatoes, fish etc etc which are all accounted for by recognisable organisations . Iow,there's no Yemi Kale type BS with our agri auditing! If he could come with such facts for his kola nuts/peanuts/cassava etc etc sector he would have but we thoroughly debunked that already on this page laughing at their 200 bn farm sector!

Nigerian Agricultural Sector has always been about 18-20%( together with the service sector) of Nigerian GDP, if for the sake of arguement, Nigerian GDP is 320 Billion dollars( using a 360 naira to 1 dollar rate) then the agricultural sector is just about 60 Billion dollars, so where do you get your 200 bn farm sector from? Even agriculture has been contributing less to the Nigerian GDP in the past two years compared to 2014 ,probably due to an increase in Herdsmen Crises (which would also be a thing of the past soon enough ).
lf you look at the new stats of the Nigerian GDP, you'll see that oil and Agriculture have been going down by each quarter, the oil sector for instance had a large negative growth and other sectors grew meagerly, but Nigeria recorded a 1.5% growth in this second quarter. This is very small, but it was largely driven by the non oil sector, the oil and gas sector was down, and other sectors like Transportation,Construction, Services and Broadcasting Sectors led the growth. Non oil sector up by 2.05%, strongest since 2015.

Efewestern:
Truth is, even if you restructure the country, with useless leaders at the helm of affairs, there won't be any development, take a look at Bayelsa, even with her huge allocation, nothing to show for it, their leaders keep looting their common wealth.

Corruption is the root cause of our problems, We have no working refineries today because the power that be won't let anything function reason being that they rake in millions from fuel importation and Subsidy.

We flare enough gas in Nigeria to power 4 gas turbines, thereby solving our power problems, but every administration seems clueless about the issue on ground, worst is the billions being budgeted for this same issue every year, nobody is sincere, they just want to loot till we have nothing.

I can go on and on, if you look at most of our major problems, it all boils down to one major thing, corruption, if you restructure the country without looking at how to curb corruption, then there won't be any difference, just that some leaders and governors will have more to loot.

Simply put, the leaders of this country are evil, the people are worst, we aid criminals.

But then the people would easily know whom to hold accountable.

Just30:
Nigeria is the largest receiver of foreign aid in West Africa
When foreign aid is withdrawn from Nigeria, just like it has been withdrawn from Ghana
the entire health and education sector in Nigeria will collapse

the aid is the only thing keep health care and education afloat in Nigeria
they are pretty much in a bad state

Can you provide proof of this?

BascoVanVeli:
Watch the AWCON well well and you will see she got exposed for pace especially at semi finals and finals. Even in the Canada world cup the same thing happened.

l think it was Faith lkidi who was exposed at left back.

Kur17:
Nigeria 59%
Tanzania 77%

Nigeria is four times the size of Kenya. 59% is already above a 110million people, hope you know that?

mtis:
Nigerians not the most educated immigrants in the US.While faulting President Donald Trump for allegedly disparaging African countries, a diaspora group said that Nigerians had the highest educational attainment of all immigrants to the US.

Available data from the US Census Bureau shows that while Nigerian immigrants feature consistently among the top, at least seven other countries had higher educational attainment in 2016.

Nigerian immigrants feature consistently at the top, you said it yourself, so what is the arguement about? How does the 2016 data alone disprove this fact?

rvp2018:
The most hardworking foreigners in US..Ghanians, Bulgarians and Kenyans.
The hardest and most skilled immigrant
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/diaspora/Kenyans-ranked-3rd-most-hardworking-foreigners-in-US/2107720-4722054-109n1tx/index.html

Congrats, though at least Nigerians most educated immigrants in the U.S, at least that one is precise. Hardworking is a meaningless word.

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.chron.com/news/amp/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php&ved=2ahUKEwiZjLTw9f3cAhUN_aQKHVqZDL4QFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1BqkZ0UilNVrT9mW4U8Imm&ampcf=1

rvp2018:
The most hardworking foreigners in US..Ghanians, Bulgarians and Kenyans.
The hardest and most skilled immigrant
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/diaspora/Kenyans-ranked-3rd-most-hardworking-foreigners-in-US/2107720-4722054-109n1tx/index.html

Hardworking in what

gallivant:
Colonial or Global, Nature vs Nurture, David vs Goliath, Is Heaven Real etc... am a Realest! So, are you asking for my opinion on the English language or are you questioning the Pride of my African Heritage? Be clearer, your question is a dilettante!

The Germans and Chinese, are they mostly illiterates because they don't speak English?? Even among Germans who speak their language, not all speak it the proper way but this has never been a measure of their education, rather they stand out by their works and qualifications.

gallivant:
Did you compare home ownership, single parent homes and prison populations between the two nations. Prosperous doesn't cut it, we don't take shortcuts to prosperity. Most educated, please, some of you can't construct a simple sentence!

So you mean your pride in speaking the language of the colonial masters is how you measure education?

sufferNsmiling:
I have told you many times I am not igbo

You are either a Kenyan or a wannabe biafran.

gallivant:
I don't think there is any city of the world without street beggars. When Dangotelanders claim Lagos is devoid of the the latter, I presume they are on manoeuvres. But that is just me.

Around the airport Lagos City or the highlands is not thesame as Lagos State, and even in Lagos State, there are no beggars everywhere like he said.
There is no need for manoeuvres when discussing with Kenyans since you also have giant issues.

TayserMahiri:
What are you saying my friend? The Billgates and Zuckerbergs of this world have none of that "most educated' tag bs. Thats for book slaves.

So are Kenyans producing the Bill gates and Zuckerbeg's of this world? you only said Kenyans are hardworking, what kind of hardwork? in what way have the Kenyan citizens stood out?

gallivant:
Did you compare home ownership, single parent homes and prison populations between the two nations. Prosperous doesn't cut it, we don't take shortcuts to prosperity. Most educated, please, some of you can't construct a simple sentence!

Nigerians are the most educated immigrants in the U.S. You can do your research on that. So don't come here to spew your hardworking nonsense with nothing valuable to show for it.

sufferNsmiling:
My trip back to nigeria

I left o r tambo international airport in johannesburg on a flight to accra ghana. I stayed in accra for about 3 weeks and then made it trip to togo and benin republic. The trip was good and the road were very good or excellent. When I got to the border off benin republic into nigeria I immediately knew something was wrong, from the border into nigeria to lagos the road was 65% portal you could not do more than 60 km and hour max speed. A journey of less than 200 km took us 6 hours. I said to myself this is a dead giant which is decane and maggots are coming out. As I arrive in lagos I could see poverty all around me and also stress. I thought to myself are you sure I am not in somalia. Everywhere I went in lagos people begging for money and food. I was so embarrassed and ashamed. You could see in the people's faces them are suffering only a few criminals richard money and you could see the war criminals. Even I was hearing a lot of stories of children killing their mothers and fathers for money rituals how to get more power in cybercrime. Nigeria is a total mess.

Codein is not good for your brain, please limit your use of substances, l have never seen beggars on the street in Lagos or around the airport nor have l experienced what you described from all my trips to Lagos.
I'm sure you are taking something, this is why you see new events when you dream and then you wake up to narrate your dream on Nairaland.

BascoVanVeli:
We are talking about DMF it is not like Nwabuoku is lacking for pace in that position. Our problem is that there is no DMF in sight. Maybe we can convert Okobi.

lgbinovia we convert her instead, okobi is too valuable in AM to be converted to a DMF.

Schemerkhiz:
we so much have the players that can deliver in the midfield positions.
1. Rita Chikwelu
2. Ngozi Okobi
3. Halimatu Ayinde
4. Evelyn Nwabuoku
5. Osarenoma Igbinovia
6. Amarachi Okoronkwo.
young stars like Christy Ucheibe can also come in...

Yah, Christy Ucheibe and Peace Efih can be tried in those defensive midfield roles too

mtis:

Even Equatorial Guinea ranks ahead of you in education, this is very bad.

TayserMahiri:
The Hardest Working Immigrants in the US.

Notice Ghana and Kenya at the top while Nigeria with all the mouth bravado are only as hardworking as Liberians. Tanzanians as usual are nowhere to be seen when the words hard and work are mentioned.

https://www.pulselive.co.ke/bi/lifestyle/kenyans-in-america-ranked-3rd-most-hardworking-immigrants-id8733793.html

Most educated immigrants in the U.S, yes. Most Prosperous Africans in London and the U.S, yes. Highest number of African doctors in the U.S, yes.
lf Kenyans cannot be found in that category, but only hard work, then tell me what is the result of your hard work? It only means, what you call hard work from that western report may not be hardwork but slaving away.
Don't work hard, WORK SMART.

obaaderemi:
I understand their bitterness. It is the pain of coming from small poor irrelevant countries. I would feel the same way if I come from such countries.

Budget of Nairobi for instance was just a mere 32 billion shillings recently, which is about 320 million dollars, compare this to that of Rivers State for instance which is 510 Billion naira( 1.4 Billion dollars). We are not even talking about Lagos here.
Lagos State alone has a budget bigger than all of the Kenyan counties put together. Let's not even get to the Ghanians and their regions. This comparison is a silly joke.

obaaderemi:
One thing I've noticed about these Ghanaians and Kenyans is their lack of knowledge of Nigeria's system. Hence the silly comparison. Lagos alone is more viable economically than both countries. Another thing I've noticed about both countries is their over-dependence on foreigners. About 50% of Ghana's budget is financed by donors while small Kenya receive more foreign aid than Nigeria. Both countries are jokes. We need to stop taking them seriously. Honestly.

lmagine comparing their counties and regions to big states like Kano, Lagos, Rivers, and the likes.
These guys are jokers.

Just30:
my region is a subdivision of my country
same way your states are a subdivision of your country

Nah it's not thesame, your regions are way smaller, and so are the budgets for the regions.

olapluto:
We have more than enough players to replace Rita Chikwelu and other aging players. We have been producing good players since 2012 U20 world cup. Women football is now fast paced, and we cant afford to be slow. We saw how France dismantled us in that friendly with their B team.

lt wasn't their B team at all. They just missed a few players.

jaycent:
Hahahahahah you're stupid and dump. Ghana as a whole can't stand Ph sef. When will your country be listed top 20 most beautiful cities in Africa. what about this.

The per capita of Lagos and PortHarcourt is actually greater than that of Ghana.