themaestro08:


Scaremongers have completely succeed in misleading you with their inaccurate and extreme rhetoric.

Let's be clear here, racism in Germany is not as bad as as this guys exaggerate.

Exactly.

Haykins2115:
Thanks to op,you've done a very great job.
I'm studying education related courses currently in Nigeria,I just want to know how easy its going to be after finishing my MSC to secure a job as a teacher/lecturer over there in Berlin. since someone has to practice what they learn.

Lecturer in Berlin? it's possible though if you go through the PhD route.

Danielhouston:


I’ve never been there. I don’t know anything about that place

Magdeburg is okay.

backbone503:


Sin/karma is created as a result of us violating or being ignorant of some spiritual laws/principles. Consequently, God, in His infinite wisdom and love grants Soul another opportunity (reincarnation) to go back and learn and right It's wrongs.

Reincarnation isn't aimed at "justice" (per se) nor vengeance, its God giving us a second chance, because He knows that we're imperfect.

Giving us a second chance, and we don't even know about it? we don't even retain our self consciousness, so in other words, it's more like giving a different person a second chance, not thesame person.

hefeeluv:


so bro are you saying a system engineer earns 2k euro in uk .
cause am in my finals in computer engineering trying to move my way to europe

A system engineer earning 2k in Europe is not true. Not even for entry level positions.

justwise:


Done that and got the certificate, nairaland is volunteering .

If you worked as a system engineer and was earning 2K euros per month in Germany then you degree doesn't worth the paper its written on.

Lol, I know it's not possible to work as a system engineer in Germany earning only 2k, even for entry level positions. That guy dey burst my head, lol.

backbone503:


Sentiments and emotions have nothing to do with spiritual laws/principles

This is not about sentiments, we are talking about justice here, and the aim or purpose of justice. Reincarnation as a form of justice or correction seems useless.

backbone503:


In other words, you're saying: if I borrow credit from Airtel from my phone A, then I remove the Airtel SIM and insert into my phone B, that it will amount to injustice if Airtel still requires me to pay my debt.

Except that the human soul and it's self identity is not phone A or B, so I fail to see how this analogy works.

You owed a debt using phone A, but by the time you inserted your sim in Phone B, you already had a brain damage from an accident, hence you were suffering from memory loss. Therefore you couldn't remember what you did with phone A.

Even if Airtel demands the payment of their debt, it would be strange to you because you can't recall anything. You have been reborn, you are a new person already.
You may pay the debt, but it is useless to you as a form of recompense concerning your previous wrong, because you are not convinced you did such a thing.

When we pray for justice and vengeance, we want the criminal to be aware that he is paying for his crimes, else it is useless to the criminal.

backbone503:


Assuming, in his previous lifetime, Mr. A and his family were shot dead by Mr. B (an armed robber) when he came to rob him. They've now reincarnated as friends in this lifetime. If Mr. A can recall what led to his death in his previous lifetime, what do you think will happen between Mr. A and B? Or in other words, between you and your friend or family member?

This scenario holds true for us all (everyone around us are people we interacted with in our previous lifetime(s)). Hence, God, in Its infinite knowledge, decided to place a "temporal" veil on our memory of past life events, because some memory will destabilize, fear, anger, and make us unstable/uncomfortable, hence prone to creating more karma.

However, since the creation of Soul, there is a firm record of ALL Its experiences in all the lifetimes it has gone through. This is a fact you prove, but you have to be spiritually developed, and have a good/sincere reason for wanting to access your past life record.

What I'm saying is this, it becomes useless in terms of justice. The individuality and person of the former armedrobber is now different. When he suffers in this life, he can't recall or take note that he suffers specifically because he was formerly an armed robber, if he can't recall that, then how is this justice?

Compare your reincarnation scenario to a situation whereby an armed robber in this life, later on at his old age begins to suffer or pay the penalty for his sins, or a situation where in another life he begins to suffer, and could recall that he was once an armed robber.

My point is without the ability to recall what we have done, then reincarnation as a form of justice is useless to me.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ Himself told you it will not be forgiven. Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ may have in fact lied?

So are you saying the person who spoke unknowingly against the Holyspirit out of ignorance, in his/her days of darkness, should give up and not turn to God for a new start?

Kobojunkie:
Just as His teachings were not only meant for those of His day alone, so also His warnings were meant not just for the Pharisees and teachers of the laws of His day.
These warnings are as valid today as they were 2000 years ago, and apply today as they applied 2000 years ago. We cannot go around picking which of Jesus Christ's commandments we should heed or obey and which we should ignore.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God... the very WORDS out of the mouth of God; the Truth of God, and so we ought to live by His words today just as He commanded 2000 years ago.

So what's your point? I never said we shouldn't obey jesus or did I?
What would be your advice to someone who is scared that he blasphemed the Holyspirit in the past? should he ask for forgiveness or not?
Yes jesus words apply today to us, but they firstly applied to the situation he spoke to at the time, and we must understand it from that context else we misuse the word of God.

bloomstar:


What about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and later repented truly,

Will you still be forgiven?

Well as a christian, I shouldn't worry about such things. If I had mistakenly or without knowledge of what I was doing, blasphemed the spirit, then I wouldn't compare myself to the pharisees of old. Besides, I believe jesus was only giving a warning to those pharisees.
So if you think you have sinned before( no matter the sin) and you seek forgiveness, just run to God and sin no more.

But then how does the reincarnated soul know that he/she is suffering for past sins? seeing that the soul usually remembers nothing of his/her past life?
If the soul remembers nothing but suffers, then how is that justice?

sonmvayina:


They created the religion.. They knew it was just a tool for control...

Smart guys.. (the Romans)

lol, so according to you the violent Romans who wrote the new testament, couldn't portray their violence in the new testament?
Come on man, put your bias aside, there is no historical or logical evidence to back up your claim that the Romans or specifically Roman politicians wrote the new testament.

sonmvayina:


But they still did...ever heard of the cathars?

They did, but it was not a teaching of the religion, so there's no point ascribing it to christianity.

sonmvayina:


Islam has not killed up to half that christianity have....so,?which other parameter do you want to use, christianity will score worse than islam..

Where in the new testament, did jesus command his followers to do all that?

Uyi168:
...
The jews that lived, dined and sup with yeshua are not even Christains.
Why Africans con put the matter for head??.. Or is there anything that we Africans know that the jews do not know??
This has left me wondering..

What does the term christian mean?

IamMichael:


I have always known you had nothing to say hence all your plot's to digress from the OP and start with the usual hanky-panky unrelated meaningless discuss occasioned by inferiority complex. The purpose of a discourse or argument is to learn.

I'm not better than anyone, i just know things outside religion better than you and i will not apologize for it. Does a doctor think he is better than you because he knows more about your body than you do? If you cannot accept that some people know more than you do, you are really in over your head.

You are still at the stage i left many year's ago, so i fully understand all your thought processes because i have known them when i was in the same shoe as you. You can't rise above your current level now because a lot of religious veils are cloaking your eyes.
There is Village==>Town==>City==>Actual City===> Ultramodern city==>Space

You are still in the Village(in this scenario) thinking the world revolves around you while some others have seen Space itself and know that the universe is something else!

You are making thesame mistake over and over again, you seem to think you know better than all religous people.
He already said here that he was once an atheist, and then became religious. Ain't you willing to entertain the thought that perhaps he is the one who has surpassed your level, understands your thought process already, and knows better than you?

elated177:




What does it mean here as well?


Luke 18:30-32 NIV
30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.



Luke 18:29-30 KJV
29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

Consider:

Jer 13:23 Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good
who are accustomed to doing evil.

Isaiah 26:10-11
But when grace is shown to the wicked,
they do not learn righteousness; even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil and do not regard the majesty of the YHVH. YHVH, your hand is lifted high, but they do not see it. Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame; let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them.









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Acts 28:26-27

“‘Go to this people, and say, You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

Isaiah 6:10

Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.

You are just quoting scriptures, I don't understand what you want me to decipher from those scriptures.
My point is this: The fear of the op is unfounded, if we have sinned and sincerely want a second chance, God is loving enough to accept us and faithful to turn things around for us, making us new creatures.
Those who commit sin against Holyspirit are those who are not ready to accept the kingdom of God no matter what( pharisees then) and who deny the power of God even when they know the truth.
So I joined this arguement in order to help the op quit this unnecessary fear.

One thing we should take note of, is that even jesus himself didn't know when the kingdom of God would come on earth. He expected it to be soon, following the judgement of the wicked religious leaders in Jerusalem.
Only God knew what he had in store, and jesus believed in a very physical kingdom with 12 thrones for his 12 disciples as they judge the tribes of Israel and rule rightfully as against the way the Romans ruled then.

Jesus is saying when that age comes in the PHYSICAL kingdom of God on earth, even those who spake against him may be forgiven, but speaking against the Holyspirit hath no forgiveness even in that age. They would still be cast out of Jerusalem ( the kingdom) into outer darkness ( more like exile) or even destroyed in the grave called ghenna where the fire does not quench and the worm never dies. This is simply death not everlasting fire torturing a ghost.

elated177:



Hmmmmh!

Matthew 12:30-32
30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.



What does the bolded mean?

What is the age to come? how does it mean heaven and hell? it means in the age of the revelation of the kingdom of God or in future generations, the person would not be forgiven. It didn't say it would remain that way forever. Don't you know there is a first death and a second death? Don't you know that biblically there would be a 1000 year reign of christ?
You shouldn't always read heaven and hell into every future judgement prescribed by God, if you look closely, most of God's judgement and rewards have nothing to do with a future heaven and hell.

LordReed:
This is a bit of tongue in cheek humour taken too far. This is not a strenuous argument for how religious people are also atheist, it is just a bit of word play to show that religious people don't apply the same standard of scrutiny they apply to the religion of others to their own.

Exactly, I know this particular arguement, it's an old one. It's just that the op took it so seriously, lol.

Knowledge of God is more important, even the demons believe and tremble.

Life eternal is that they may KNOW you the only true God and jesus christ whom you have sent. John 17v3.

elated177:



Mmhmm! It is neither here nor there.

By the way, what you stated may not be the unforgivable sin(blasphemy) the Scripture talks about.

The unforgivable sin simply means that God would hold you accountable to it. You would be called to account. The pharisees also saw the light but preferred darkness to light, hence they were going to be cut out.

When you work against the truth and wilfully obscure it with lies, you would surely be held accountable to that, it didn't say you are separated from God forever or going to a so called Hellfire.

bloomstar:


Thanks so much for this,

And thanks to everyone who commented on this thread. I am greatly impressed and happy to know i have not forsaken my lord and maker. Yea we commit sin, we are human but we have to try to be better.
Am grateful

My man, all these fears are unnecessary, God did not send his son to count our sins against us but to reconcile us to himself.

The so called unforgivable sin in Mark, was when the pharisees accused jesus of using Belzeebub. It says you would not be forgiven for such a blasphemy, which simply means you would be held accountable for it.

No where does it say you are doomed forever in Hellfire, I wonder why Christians allow so much fear.

IamMichael:


You have still repeated my point that it is something propagated by religion.

All of the things you have stated above have failed simple logic.

People who dwell in the realm of logic are using it for useful things rather than propose unfounded philosophies they cannot prove.

That we are communicating now through a wireless network is because people thought outside of the box and logically came up with practical ways of enhancing long distance communication.

If such people were clinging to superstitious beliefs that only god's and messengers disburse messages to far distance lands, we won't be using smartphones.

So long as you can logically conceptualise a thing, doing it becomes easy. Religionists have a restricted world view of things. One thing you realise the moment you leave religious holds, you become more logical and more curious. You will never accept anything at face value again because you will realise that things are mostly not what you think them to be.

lol, in a nutshell you are saying religious people are not as logical as you are, that's simply ridiculous.

Religious people have invented more things in this world than atheists have ever done(and atheists have always been around from the time of Epicurus at least), so don't connect atheism and intellect by default.

Even the big bang theory was first propagated by a catholic priest in the 20th century ( a century full of atheists).

Not all Religous people accept anything at face value.

The philosophy is not unfounded, and we are still thinking deeply about these questions today.
Don't you think there is a probability that atheists generally are the ones not thinking deeply enough.

When you think deeply, you leave religion. That however is only the first step, when you think deeply enough, you know better than to pride in either atheism or religion .

IamMichael:

The question is, why do you believe there is a creator?
2) Who told you this person is a creator?
3) Why do you think this creator is one of the religious god's?

When are you guys going to learn that the Uncaused First Cause theory is a Logical Fallacy propagated by religion?

1) Because it is more likely than unguarded evolution of everything.
2) Because it likely created everything or at least directed evolution.
3) Maybe, Maybe not.

It was propagated by the Christian philosopher Thomas Aquinas as well as Muslim philosophers, all in answer to philosophical questions.

IamMichael:

Lol...
This is your post bro...

"Are deists also atheists? if so, then everyone is an atheist, and then the term atheism becomes meaningless."

You asked if deists are Atheists. Your next sentence shows that it is in the affirmative. This is why i showed you the meaning of Deism.

Deists and Atheists are not the same. Someone cannot be an atheist and be bothered with trying to prove the existence of God or god's!

For you to be an atheist, that means bye-bye to any God related believe system!

Lol, my next sentence wasn't showing the affirmative to that question. The "if so" in that sentence was conditional. That post was not saying deists are atheists, but on the contrary, trying to show the weakness of affirming so, to make you realize the futility of using the term "atheist" generically.

IamMichael:

@bolded, that's exactly my point.

If you interpret Atheism strictly word for word, your lack of belief in my God places you as an atheist.

If i have a God who you don't believe in, you are an atheist to it because that is strictly the definition of Atheism.

If I believe that my phone is my God but you don't believe, you are an atheist because an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God or god's. It doesn't matter the form the god in question comes in. If someone believes it to be a God but you lack believe in it, you are an atheist in the definition of the word.
Your own belief of any God/god's has nothing to do with it.

The key word is disbelief.

If you define atheism like this, then it is a useless term and loses its meaning because apart from universalists, everyone disbelieves in one God or the other, simply saying we are all atheists to some thing, makes no difference.

The term atheism is now specifically used to distinguish people who do not entertain the question of God ( any God ) as necessary.

IamMichael:

God is generic to begin with.

To you, Yahweh is God. To another, Allah is God. To a traditional worshipper in Igbo land, Chukwu is God. To the Traditional worshipper's in Yoruba, Ogun or Sango or the related deity of worship is God. To the Greeks, Zeus is God.

When you mention God, you are not single God because the term is generic and is associated with Religion.

God doesn't exist in the dictionary of non-religious people. People who dwell in God or God concept are Religious people. Therefore, you can't turn around and say the concept of God is different from Religious god's.

Even if a creator exists, who told you it is a God? Do you take Mark Zuckerberg as a God because he created something that billions of people are addicted to?

Try to see things from a wider perspective bro.

The bolded is not true. Again are deists religious? no they are not.

If a creator exist, then it answers a major philosophical question concerning the concept of God. You can say we should not worship the creator or call the creator God, but you would be in line with many theists who believe in a creator, as the answer to why we are here.

IamMichael:

Lol. It's funny that you should say I'm funny.

You mentioned deist and i showed you the meaning, but obviously, you didn't get the point!

A logical person would have known if his comparison between a Deist and Atheist was in tandem or are connected.

"Deism is the philosophical position that rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to establish the existence of a Supreme Being or creator of the universe."

If a deist decides to use reason and observations to prove the existence of a Supreme being, it's their business. However, whatever reason or observation a deist proposes as his proof will also face the same Logical scrutiny.

It is not a new thing. Many people have tried to use reason to explain God, but everyone knows that God and reason don't travel in the same sentence!

I know that deists are not atheists, my point is that they don't believe in any religious god like you but that doesn't mean they should be called atheists just simply because they don't subscribe to any religious God ( like atheists). The reason deists are not atheists is that they answer YES to the concept of God ( not necessarily the religious idea of God) while atheists answer NO to both the religious idea and the philosophical concepts.

So I see no reason why you'll have to define Deism for me. My post didn't warrant that, this is why I said you are funny.

IamMichael:

Like I keep saying, the confusion is from you.

Atheists believe in things. Religious god's is just one of the things they don't believe in.

Not believing in religious gods is not what makes atheists stand out, what makes them distinct is that they don't believe in the concept of God.

The concept of God, and religious god, are two separate issues that depend on one another, but are not necessarily thesame. You are conflating the two.