₦airaland Forum

Kur17:
You mean smaller countries shld have higher HDI? How many smaller countries than Kenya in Africa has a higher HDI than Kenya?? One or two. ...and many issues have been repeatedly said here, so nothing is "through"

Nigeria is approximately 4 times the size of Kenya, we are not your mates.

nwoke37:
Don’t know where Kenyans got the idea that they had a stronger private sector than Nigeria... weird, kinda funny

l don't blame them though, it's very easy for them to think that way because in all they do they compare Nigeria to their small counties, so when they hear the worst about Nigeria, ( usually criticism by Nigerians) they then begin to imagine they are totally better.
l wonder why a small country like Kenya which doesn't even have a recognized trade city center in Africa, nor does she have some of the richest Africans in business would have people like this Kur guy who stupidly imagines they have a stronger private sector than Nigeria, it's simply not their fault, it's the level to which the Nigerians and the Nigerian leaders have brought the country to.
One was even bold enough to compare their textile industry to that of Nigeria, until l gave him a long list of Nigerian fashion brands which has gone far beyond Nigeria, even patronized by the likes of Michelle Obama and other elites and he shut up for good. lkeja alone has a great line of such businesses.
So it's always like that, Nigerians do not celebrate their little achievements but are usually overwhelmed by the problems ( which is a good thing sometimes).
But because of this, it is easy for these African nations to think they are definitely ahead, and the problems unfortunately are usually too outstanding sometimes that they mask the order present in the chaos.

obaaderemi:
Small countries usually do better in such things than highly populated countries especially in Africa. We've been through this before. And its a shame that a small country like Little India has a hdi of just .555 Nigeria is a 200m behemoth! Come on, boy. Think.

This Kur guy is a proper ignoramus, we've been through all these before. He's talking about HDI when Kenya is doing so poorly on that area with just 0.555, Nigeria not far behind with 0.552, and yet Nigeria is 4 times the population of Kenya.

Lionessza6:
I'm not one to brag about other people's success , but this a good development for Africa.

Talking about electricity, this young guy will be making plenty of money in your country since you are still struggling with power to charge phones .



He has a planet named after him and he is only 25 years of age.. Isn’t this amazing? Siyabulela Xuza is said to be one of the best scientists South Africa has ever had.  world’s top scientists. Xuza is now, almost literally, on top of the world.His life changing journey began at the tender age of 12 when he used utensils in his mother’s kitchen to bake rocket fuel “like cookies” and was scolded for causing fires. Four years later, his “safer and cheaper” solid rocket fuel won him the top prize in its category at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in the US.

He trained outside South Africa and holds a degree in engineering from Harvard University. He once worked in a vegetable field, Xuza has met three SA presidents, the king of Sweden, Nobel laureates, astronauts and the UN secretary-general.

Scientists from MIT’s Lincoln Laboratory named a minor planet (or giant asteroid) after him and, the planet named Siyaxuza is right next to Jupiter itself.

https://www.youthvillage.co.za/2015/05/meet-sas-youngest-scientist-who-has-a-planet-named-after-him

This is what Mrs Obama had to say about him .

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/29/remarks-first-lady-connecting-continents-event

Now this is impressive, and this is how l measure the greatness of a nation.. the people ( hardworking people both within and without). l rank this higher than Government, and what have you, though leadership is what directly makes the nation stable, but the more you produce talented/ hardworking people, the more hopeful you become.
When l tell the Kenyans to show me what they've got, l detest it when l see the works of lndians and white men, talented black Africans are the hope of the continent.

Lionessza6:
Lol, apology accepted . I had to take you back there to educate you , now that you know, educate other unlearned people in your mist . Perhaps Chinese have the eyes of the khoisans ? . Respect is earned. Lol, we are not a member of BRICS because of Nigeria, we did that ourselves, thanks . Comfort for citizens is what we and those countries strive for not recognition from other nations. Who cares about their size , we are talking about development here and the ease of the lives of the people . What's the use of having a huge population living in poverty ? . I would choose to be a citizen of a tiny country like Botswana than be part of a huge Nigeria lol.

Science has it that all of humanity emanated from Africa anyway.
You became a member of BRICS a long time ago when your GDP was number one in Africa, before Nigeria rebased in 2014, it's simple.
Yeah citizens may not be living comfortably, but people/ hardworking people matter, a greater population may have great disadvantages but also have what it takes to dictate things , there are so so many hardworking Nigerians and rich/middle class Nigerians whose population altogether can fill up all of these African nations you mentioned, so why worry mostly about the poor in Nigeria, when the average Nigerian is hardworking and the population of the rich/ middle class are already nations in their own right and can make things happen, the poor would always remain in the land, the contribution of the rich to society is the answer to this menace, so with a large population above poverty line, l don't see why our case would be more hopeless than those who have just 40 million people for instance and then 20 million below poverty line, it's a ridiculous comparison.

Lionessza6:
Where is my apology ?

LMFAO, obviously we know that there is nothing superior about you people , it is your brothers and sisters who are living in delusions who keep making noise about being better than other Africans. African countries are moving foward without you, rwanda, Botswana, Namibia and Gabon to name a few don't need you to develop , rather focus on your own journey than dragging the rest of us with you. South Africa is not obsessed with being seen as a powerhouse of Africa, we are focused on making things better for all our people before focussing on others. The fact that we joined BRICS says a lot . Keep on ignoring the crumbling nation at your hands and focus on "dominating" Africa , your citizens will continue bbeing seen as scum . Your opinion is wrong in my opinion , how can you lead countries and people that are doing better than you . First show leadership within your boarders . As for swag , I cannot about that ish it's the same as bragging about a big dyck when you are starving and living in slum, only losers brag about such useless things. Talk development, I will listen .

Apology on what? khosians/Mandela? that's an old arguement, l wonder why you had to take us back there. You sef, abeg let the matter rest.
Khosians are not Asians, but to the unlearned they look so, and you wouldn't blame us unlearned folks for thinking that way. They have the eyes of the Chinese, doesn't mean they ain't Africans, l don't like seeing things as either black or white.
Nigeria is not obsessed with being African super power, but then small African countries should know their place and give Nigeria the respect that is due. Just because Nigeria has problems, doesn't mean she is no big brother, or that these Kenyans should come here to rub shoulders.
Nigeria is not obsessed with being big brothers, but have shown leadership from time past, and the continent including South Africa needs a better relationship with Nigeria to move forward in world politics. The countries you mentioned.. Gabon, Rwanda, Kenya, Botswana, et al are all too small in the grand scheme of things, no matter how progressive you think they are( which is good).
Some of these countries are not even bigger than a single state in Nigeria. lf you know, you know.

Kur17:
Goodness gracious!!! May your eyes be opened...

Opened to what? Jeez, where do all these Kenyans come from? snail is a delicious meal, kiss the truth.

Lionessza6:
Every country has it's own poor people but your levels are can't be compared to any nation . If you googled South Africa, Botswana ,Gabon , UK, Italy etc you would find poor people in those countries . The difference between us and you is that we don't brag about being better or smarter while we live in extreme poverty. You are only superior in your heads .

To be honest, Nigerians are not superior ( superior is the wrong word) but the continent(Sub Saharan especially with the possible exception of South Africa ) needs Nigeria to move forward, Nigeria should naturally lead Africa. l don't know about South Africa though, but there's this special swag with a true average swagalicious Nigerian that shows leadership for the entire black race. lt's just my opinion though, l might be wrong.

kikuyu1:
Our cement temporarily decreased last year as I admitted due to the elections otherwise you're WRONG AGAIN! I actually wish you could surprise me only once with a logical conclusion-SIGHHH! The Kenyans and other intelligent posters can draw the proper conclusions from our almost twice meat consumption. I have fun with this cause its interesting and REAL! Like rvp2018 has said many times,'you can't fake this poo,'my nigga!
Lets look at beer consumption: We're at 12 l AND WOW WE'RE TIED!? If you want to get technical you lead us by a tiny inconsequential margin.
https://www.pulse.ng/bi/lifestyle/beer-consumption-nigeria-is-the-highest-alcohol-drinking-country-in-africa-id6667060.html

But as ever when you unpack the stats the truth comes out.

Dangoteland Range

Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 300.00 ₦ 250.00-450.00
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 500.00 ₦ 400.00-600.00

Kenya

Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 200.00 KSh 170.00-250.00
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 250.00 KSh 200.00-300.00

1 ksh is presently 3.6 naira so our beers are over twice your price YET OUR CONSUMPTION LEVELS ARE IDENTICAL! Just so you know I don't hate you or anyone get an intelligent Dangotelander to explain the obvious implications on REAL GDP. The truth is all that matters.

This is serious, you have gone from cement to meat and now beer, what next ? ciggaretes, tramadol or cocacola?

obaaderemi:
You are really stressing your old heart, mister. Have you heard of something called High Blood Pressure. The way you are going about this Nigerian GDP scares me, for your sake. What have you not compared? Now it is meat consumption. Lol I can see you have dropped cement consumption per capita. What is funny is how you have to convert everything to per capita for you to have some cold comfort. Take your meat comparison for example
14kg for Little India * 50m{population] gives a mere 700metric Tonnes. Nigeria's 8.8kg * 200m[population] gives 1760 metric Tonnes. While yours does not even scratch the surface of1000MT, Nigeria's own goes far above it. Who is the giant here then? I understand your pain and sympathize with you. Coming from a small economically irrelevant country can be painful. But you guys can still build that $50bn economy of yours if you depend less on foreigners and make more sacrifices but not by selling flowers and tea. Holland used to be the world's biggest flower exporters but has since moved on to electronics and bigger things. Stop crying about Nigeria's GDP. It's bad for your health. I guess you already look like this guy below:

Whenever l see them convert everything to per capita and then relate it all back to the GDP again, it gets me amused. lf you must argue about GDP then why speak on per capita? These people simply know nothing. l don't wanna believe the Kenyan economics is special, rather l think we have been debating/lecturing willfull ignoramuses.

nwoke39:
Lion of Africa(Big cat) with a 80 billion dollar economy...
What's ur gdp per capita(ppp) again??

lt might even be 50 Billion dollars, and their PPP is also very small, not even up to 200 Billion dollars. l wonder why this thread became so long, the comparison makes no sense.

Lionessza6:
Lol, your compatriots clearly have an obsession with skin colour , infact they hate their dark skin too much , it's embarasing.

By the way , you said SAns were largely illiterate before 94, where did you get that from . Last time I checked we were the 3rd most literate country in Africa, only lead by zimbos and Guinea , and you are nowhere not even on the top 5.....genius lol. So did we round up all the old illirates sent them back to school after 94 ? Or maybe we killed them all to be in that position . How is this possible ? So before 94 there were no schools in SA or what?

Were the oppressed black minorities also amongst these class of literates?

Asaba of all places

TayserMahiri:
With all our issues, the Nigerians had to leave their comparatively worse issues to create a thread where they get a chance to measure up to the Kenyans. We didnt start this thread, they started it. The same way Annael started that lame thread comparing Nairobi with Dar es Salaam in Jamii forum so that you get a chance to compare yourselves with Kenyans. You two lame countries (Nigeria and Tanzania) always want to feel nice by comparing yourselves to Kenyans and when Kenyans come to the threads to straighten up your rotten societies you start crying foul how Kenyans are comparing themselves to you.

Get this Annal, WE (kenyans) NEVER WASTE TIME CREATING HIGH TRAFFIC THREADS COMPARING OUR COUNTRY TO OTHER COUNTRIES. We are confident enough in our abilities that we find little need to do so. We dont need agent motivation! You are insecure enough in your countries that you always want to see what and how the famous Kenyans are doing.

Actually you Kenyans started these whole nonsense with the comparison on Twitter( no one even thinks about Kenya here) and then again after Mark Zuckerbeg 's visit. The one who opened this silly thread is in an opposition party and had to belittle Nigeria in the most demeaning way possible by bringing in the Kenyan comparison, just like there's Gabon, Rwandan, comparison etc. Honestly the thread should have died a long time ago, but people like you would not let it die since it's become a drug addiction to you, and we know that and would also give you all the support by prolonging it as much as we can to help your situation.

Annael:
We live with Nigerians in our country with no problem. Just imagine we don't allow Kenyans to enter in our country without visa and we are neighbors. Kenyans are thieves.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWQ33pXgAA_4-N.jpg

I am a thief from kenya

Lol this is ironic, because the Kenyans here are quick to tell you Nigerians are the only problem to locals wherever they go, thank God you are refutting that nonsense here. l have always suspected Tanzania to be a robust, beautiful country than Kenya, and you are beginning to prove that suspicion correct with your pics and profound facts on this thread

rvp2018:
Here is where you poor education comes to bite you again. How does hosting WTO center(NGO to assist you in international trade) make you a financial or trade hub. This is not even legit WTO.

Nigeria controls 90% of trade in West Africa, so don't even mention Ghana, lvorycoast and Senegal on same sentence with Nigeria when it comes to trade and finance or even tech.

rvp2018:
You can check many indices of progress for answers on that. They are indicators we use to know if people are progressing or not. Pick 10 indices that measure progressive nations...and see where those countries cluster...and where Nigeria cluster around.

From that list l posted above we have only Seven African Countries, with only Nigeria and South Africa having two major trade cities. So if Kenya is such a financial and diversified powerhouse according to gallivant, Taysermahiri, et al, then how come she is not even considered? l was expecting to see the much talked about Nairobi and Mombassa on this thread.
The list shows Senegal is a more recognized financial/trade hub in Africa at least, than any of those other countries ie Ghana and lvorycoast.

rvp2018:
Ghana, Senegal, Cote'divore those are countries I can respect as progressive West African Nations in SSA. Nigeria, Niger & the rest are huge disasters.

In SSA obviously RSA, Botswana, Namibia,Angola,Rwanda, Zambia, Kenya, Ghana,Senegal & Ivory Coast are countries with lot of promise.

Senegal is a little bit progressive, but honestly l don't see what is so progressive about Ghana, lvorycoast or Kenya.

rvp2018:
Cement & Steel consumption are some of the MOST RELIABLE indicator to cross-reference GDP in a DEVELOPING COUNTRY. In short you cannot cook GDP Nigeria style . Here Kikuyu is on solid money. If you want to compare cement or steel consumption btw developing please go ahead...Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania and Ghana..are developing countries (LDC or lower middle class). South Africa & Tunisia are middle classs countries...India & China are edging closer to them...that is hwy India steel consumption is at nearly 70..just about half South Africa.

And per-capita handles POPULATION - so quit being an crazy idiot.

More contradictions, if you cannot see the lrony in your post, then there's no basis for your pride in the Kenyan education, it is definitely poor. You keep making my point but you can't see it, and here you are disgracing yourself by bringing in lndia and China to the level of Tunisia and SA, like seriously?
lf l should even agree with you on that, doesn't that indicate to you that GDP itself has little to do with this progress you speak of?( lf Tunisia and SA are more progressive than lndia and China)but rather GDP per capita and HDI? or are you just plainly confused?

rvp2018:
It actually indictment of your very bad Nigerian education that you are comparing apples with oranges.South Africa & Tunisia are middle class countries. India is a developing country. The indicators like cement or steel are relevant when you're comparing DEVELOPING COUNTRIES with huge deficit in stuff like housing, roads & etc. South Africa & Tunisia have already build all the infrastructure they need - so they are going to be spending less pouring cement or steel compared to say Kenya or Nigeria or India per capita.

lf you are truly educated you'll see that your grandmaster Kikuyu goofed, when he linked up steel per capita to GDP. lf lndia is a developing country and by your arguement has way less infrastructure than SA, yet it has 7 times the GDP of SA, and is even the 4th largest economy in the world in terms of PPP, doesn't that suggest to you that GDP has little to do with these kind of developments than it has to do with factors such as population and material resources?
Why are you guys so worked up on Nigerian GDP? GDP doesn't really indicate progress, and has more to do with how big a nation is, such that almost every form of business in that country has a multiple effect when compared to smaller nations. So the total assets and values of goods and services are usually way higher, this is a different arguement from per capita which indicates development.
So Kikuyu, wipe your tears my friend and stop crying.

kikuyu1:
Really,I should've come with this sooner,since its as crucial as cement/oil/sugar consumption in proving a nations economic level and can't be faked. Steel usage proves the national house/bridge/rail and infrastructure construction itself a valid growth indicator.

Kenya 36 kg per capita

Dangoteland 7 kg per capita


Tz 11 kg per capita

https://knoema.com/SSY2014/steel-statistical-yearbook-2017?tsId=1018290

Ghana 36 kg per capita

Look at the countries you think you're amongst! Btw,even pre recession you were a very low user barely nearing 15 kg proving my POINT YOUR GDP WAS WAYYYYY OVERBLOWN BY YOUR CBN COMEDIANS! I hope you now understand why we Kenyans are so determined to educate you on these realities.

India 63 kg

South Africa srsly slipped from a high of 135 kg in 2005 to 100 close of 2016,jln115,jayceon,ssaengine,WTF?

Tunisia 80 kg

l don't know what school you attended in Kenya or what Economic textbook you read, but going by your logic Tunisia and South Africa has a better GDP than lndia because of their higher steel per capita hence lndia's GDP is fake. Note that lndia's GDP is 2.1 trillion dollars to South Africa's 300 Billion dollars. lndia 's GDP is 7 times that of SA, and going by your report SA had more than double steel per capita than lndia in 2005.
lt is either you are confused, or you simply don't know what per capita is, which means you are ignorant.
The latter seems to be the case here, but why do you keep disgracing yourself on this forum?
Give it up man. Kenya is too small to rub shoulders with Nigeria

Annael:
My friend do some researches.
I know a guy from keny called David Ndii, everyday giving you a lesson about economy.
Tanzania is ahead of you in PPP. The report of 2018 Tanzania is ahead of Kenya in GNI Tanzania is ahead of kenya in financial inclusion.
You are always boast about GDP, but you don't even know the meaning of GDP.

Kenya is the most corrupt country in Africa.
Also arable land in kenya owned by settlers( whites) and elite groups.

You have nothing to tell us about Kenya we know you in anda out.
Every year in Turkana kenyans die from hunger.
About 70% of kenyans don't eat perfect food. Have heard hunger in Tanzania!?

Tanzania feed you each year. Kenyans are always noise makers. That why we Tanzanians don't even listen you. We can do whatever we want, burning, taking you livestocks but you will just make noises.
You why is that, if we close our border you gonna die from hunger.

Brutality.

Kazikazi:
Were is kenyan BRT lanes and station? This is Tanzania's

Lovely Tanzania

Just30:
hehehehe your logic is laughable
you can never live on less than 50 dollars a month and be better than someone who live on 150 dollars a month

Well it all depends, dollar is not an heavenly currency given to us by God and neither does it determine the cost of living in all countries. Also one could earn less than 50 dollars a month but not be totally dependent on that for survival, there would also be another source of income in the form of petty trades, business and stuffs like that. Remember this is Nigeria we are talking about not Ghana. Nigerians are known to be much more mobile and less dependent on the normal way of life than Ghanians are, maybe that's why you fail to get my point.

Just30:
in most countries
almost half the bank accounts are either dormant or have zero balance

you may not know but people really struggle
being poor does not mean, you go to bed hungry

Then those are the poor not extremely poor. lf by definition, extremely poor means those who live below 360-500 naira daily, then in modern day Nigeria especially in these times, they would definitely also be amongst those who go to bed hungry, because 360 naira daily would hardly be enough for anything in a typical Nigerian town. So you and l are describing the poor Nigerians not extremely poor . Those struggling people l described in my previous post who earn 18000 naira monthly( and l was once in this category) are not extremely poor but just poor struggling people, but if you use the dollars, then they are extremely poor, but this is a contradiction because they are better off than many Ghanians who even live on 5 dollars daily, hope you get my point now?
Note 18000 naira monthly is about 500 naira ( 1.5 dollars) daily.
For your information, the minimum wage in Naija is 18000 naira, and some private school teachers earn about 15000 naira, it is fool hardy to break this monthly salary into a daily salary of 500 naira( 1.5 dollars) daily and then describe them as extremely poor, and even if you do this, their living conditions do not reflect the extremely poor, but just struggling or poor people.
A Western statistician would then take these statistics based on their monthly salaries alone and then convert these to daily salaries and then get bogus figures of 120 million extremely poor Nigerians, which is faulty because most Nigerians aside being employed may also be involved in other petty daily trades or what they call osusu contribution to make ends meet. Also the dollar is not the naira.

Just30:
i guess you don't know how finance flows
in out out does not equate to saving
having an account does not make you a saver
the same way , holding a phone does not mean you buy data or buy credit

l repeat it makes no sense. Usually to have an account you need a minimum of 2000 naira, and even though this may not be so compulsory these days, are you telling me these account holders save 500 naira, 900 naira, etc. Come on, l expect you to be smarter than this my friend. The problem here is that we are converting naira to dollar and that is where the misunderstanding begins. So many people earn 18000 naira monthly, which is about 500 naira( 1.5 dollars) daily, but they are not what you would consider very poor, they live in decent small homes in the town( not village) eat at least two square meals daily, wear nice clothes and shoes, etc.
But in Ghana, people who earn such amounts would have poverty written all over them in an instant because of the very high cost of living. lt is difficult to rent homes in Ghana. You see my point, there are no 120 million extremely poor Nigerians, it is simply false. There are however about 60 million extremely poor Nigerians ( mostly farmers up north) and 80 million poor to lower middle class Nigerians. This is the true situation of things( sentiments apart), no thanks to the recent recession.

Just30:
having a bank account does not make you less poor
getting connected to the internet does not make you less poor eitrher
Nigerians dont come to Ghana to spent, they come to Ghana in search for sanity
Why would a Ghanaian leave or want to expand into Nigeria, with the kind of business environment there?
they would rather export from here to there

How would an extremely poor person who doesn't live above 400 naira daily find it easy to subscribe to the internet and also save in a bank?
This is quiet confusing, someone is obviously telling a white lie.

Just30:
let see where those beggars come from
Nigeria has a 120million extremely poor people and Ghana has less than 5 million
so if your math and statistic were at your fingertip
Why would any sane Ghanaian go to Nigeria to beg
Especially when they a better chance of escaping the poverty bracket in Ghana than they would ever have in Nigeria?

120 million extremely poor people narrative doesn't fit with reality.Just saying though.
Nigerians are poor, but how can she be with 120 million extremely poor people and yet there are over 97 million active internet subscribers and about a 100 million with bank accounts according to your friend rvp2018, you see it doesn't add up.
That's why you see many Nigerians come to Ghana to spend lavishly, and l know many of them and even you can testify. You have more Nigerian businesses in Ghana( with their headquarters in Nigeria than the other way round). 90% of trade in West Africa is linked to Nigeria, such an extremely poor country cannot be all these at thesame time. Not that Nigeria is rich, but 120 million people cannot be poor, this is pure gibberish and only fools believe it. # story for the gods.

Yobeezy:
1Kenyan shilling= 4Naira

1 Kenyan shilling=25Tanzanian shillings

These economic life suckers and poverty leaders needs to get a life...

And yet the Nigerian balance of trade is way better than yours, come on l know you are pained but you don't have to kill yourself my friend. lt's just a forum.

kikuyu1:
I swear the poo Dangotelanders excuse their fail with! So if your population was lower you'd be a Luxembourg or Lichtenstein! You sound like the struggle faced byatch who secretly hates her hot friends cause its the only way she can get free tequila!

l said equally struggling countries. Luxembourg is not a third world country.

What has happened to Folashade ljamilusi? l thought she was a key player.
Also Charity Reuben is missing. l hope this coach actually knows what he's doing this time.