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jonbellion:
lol
This again
Creationists sef

Which one is creationist sef? The nobel prize carrying Physicists and Biochemists in the OP who declared the same thing are you more knowledgeable than they are with your minor in Physics? What experiment have you ever done to prove evolution? Those who have done experiments extensively one of them said the below

Collin Patterson (deceased), once the world’s most respected fossil expert penned it thus: “One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it occured to me that I had been working on this stuff (evolution) for 20 years and there was not one thing I knew about it.”

was he wrong?

hahn:
Shut up there olodo

That moment when their tongue cleaves to the roof of their mouth and they have nothing to say except shut up like my words were sounding off so loud in their little minds same way it would in a bell tower.

randomperson:
Oh!! U proved that u can conjure a different statement!! ... I clap for you! ... I don't just assume people sound dumb, I make that inference from statements they make... And from your comments today, there is conclusive, irrebuttable proof that you are...
The question is simple really... U claim doctrines are man made and made as a result of a lack of submission to the holy spirit by the churches and their leaders. So tell us, does this mean all the churches with doctrines are not submitting to the holy spirit?? That is the logical inference so if the answer is for any reason different from that, tell us why

To avoid this nauseating merry go round your inability to understand english always causes i will give you your answer in your local dialect so what is it?

wirinet:
Arguing with you guys is like arguing with someone with acute Alzheimer's disease. You seem to forget the subject of discussion or even the last point you raised.
This is what you said a few posts ago;

you have been attacking the very concept of evolution all through your arguments, now you are asking if nairaland evolved by itself.
If you agree that evolution is a fact of life and indeed the universe, then we can start a new debate on factors or forces responsible for evolution - whether random chance or intelligent design.

I repeat EVOLUTION IS A FARCE AND A BIG LIE.

If you cannot or do not understand the OP which necessitated that comment then whose fault is it that you would make a dumb post.

Oh and FYI...EVOLUTION IS NOT A FACT...ITS A SPECULATION...ITS AN ASSUMPTION....ITS A FALLACY...AND ITS WICKEDLY DECEPTIVE.

randomperson:
Wait... U this boring or u just don't have the ability to conjure a different statement?

How is it that to you when you speak you actually think you sound intelligent but when another speaks they sound dumb? Is there some sort of damage to your cerebral cortex? If there is then we need to simplify or reduce the stress on it which is why i am asking for your local dialect. Surely that would not pose a problem to your comprehensive ability would it?

randomperson:
Guy, every time u respond with this shit, u betray your lack of a coherent and logical response to the simple question asked... I don't think your Christian friends would be proud of you right now

What is your local dialect...I need to end this torture english has been putting you through. Lets switch to a dialect you can really flow in.

wirinet:
Believe me, I do not have the time to argue senselessly with the op, I am a very busy person. The OP has no clue on what he is arguing on, his primary aim is to attack anything evolution and promote his religious beliefs. He hate the very word evolution.

How can any rational human reject anything evolution? Evolution simply means change. Everything evolves or changes with time. Nothing can remain static for ever. Even the Biblical God has evolved over time. The God that created Adam and Eve, that they were hiding from after eating the fruit is different from the God at mount Sinai that visited the Israelites, and is different from Jesus who is now the God of Christians.
Languages evolves, the English spoken during the time king James wrote the king James version of the bible is different from the English spoken today, same for Arabic spoken during Mohammed's time and now. Telephones have evolved and will continue to evolve. Even nairaland has evolved. The appearance of nairaland today is different from nairaland of 5 years ago. EVERY THING EVOLVES.

The material universe started out with only a proton or hydrogen, today that hydrogen has evolved into more complex matter up to uranium. You people want to promote an unchanging and static universe. That is absurd.

^^^^^^^

Ladies and gentlemen this up there takes the cake as the dumbest post on this thread hands down.

The most ridiculous comment that jumps out there is this

The appearance of nairaland today is different from nairaland of 5 years ago. EVERY THING EVOLVES.

I suppose Nairaland EVOLVED by itself without the intelligent intervention or input of seun.

Ladies and gentlemen NAIRALAND is going through random evolution. .... LMAO


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randomperson:
The only thing that can rival your stupidity is your cowardice with your dishonesty coming a close third...
You are trying not to address the issues I raised because your logic has been defeated by superior logic...
U said doctrines are man made, I agree. U also claim doctrines are as a result of not submitting to the will of the holy spirit since the holy spirit is not forceful... Then I ask a simple question. Does this mean all churches that have doctrines are not submitting to the will of the holy spirit?? That's a friggin' polar question...
Next time you are exposed by logic, just stick with the cowardice and don't respond to save yourself some face

Oga what is your dialect? Let me start writing in your local dialect so it would be easier for you to understand since english is not your lingua franca

GrizzlyBear:
I'd have to turn into an ant, which is practically impossible.

But you are also dodging my question. Why would I want to communicate with an ant in the first place, and what would be the content of the message I would want to communicate with them?

I am not dodging your question.

I asked you a very simple question which did not need to have a reason before you offered an answer. It was a simple logical question like an aptitude test. I could ask you if you found yourself underwater with no swimming gear how would you survive...its just to task your brain and not for you to ask me "why would you go underwater without swimming gear in the first place".

Now you have answered with the bolded. What then do you think Jesus did when he came to the world as God in the flesh.

FOR THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. John 1:14

Jesus also said

John 14:7-9New International Version (NIV)

7 If you really know me, you will know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

God has already revealed Himself in Christ to mankind and has fulfilled the purpose behind the revelation which is why we have billions of believers worldwide but for someone like you Jesus said something very profound in John 20: 29

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

You can keep waiting for God to reveal Himself to you again if you wish but if you cannot believe Christ then forget about your OP...its ridiculous!

randomperson:
When your inferior intelligence and shallow reasoning is exposed, u revert to old, refuted arguments... We already trashed this: so all the churches which have doctrines- which is virtually all of them- are doing it against the will of the holy spirit. So every church is disobeying the holy spirit? No church is submitting?? ... Or your church has no doctrines at all...
If they were giving ballon d ors for stupidity, you would be both the Messi and Ronaldo

Just shut your pie hole already. Its obvious that no matter how i type in english you would still stop short of understanding it. Perhaps i should type in your local dialect for better comprehension. What tribe are you from? I need to transcribe my comment to your local dialect.

GrizzlyBear:
Why would I want to reveal myself in an UNDERSTANDABLE manner to an ant? There has to be a reason for the 'if.'

Let me put it this way since you want to be dodgy. If you wished to communicate with an ant in a way they would not only understand but also be able to visually appreciate how would you do this?

Anas09:
But watch them claiming to have dealt with this thread adequately somewhere else. Anyone who is not here now will totally believed them. This is their own way of treating the OP.

Dont mind those uneducated armchair atheistic cowards.

randomperson:
U are living proof of the rot in our educational system... And someone like u will be presenting himself as a graduate?? Your English teacher should be probed...
Why should there be man made doctrines when there is the holy spirit... U can't comprehend. U better go and enroll in an adult education class

So much stupidity in one person! What part of MAN MADE do you not understand? Is the Holy spirit forceful? Does he not respect our will? I marvel at your shallow understanding...indeed it is very troubling.

AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD....THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD...

In order to be LED there must first be SUBMISSION. How many have fully submitted to the holy spirit? Men try to help the church by creating doctrines when Jesus never established doctrines. If you still cannot understand something as simple as this then OYO is your case.

GrizzlyBear:
Why would I want to reveal myself to an ant?

I am sure you saw the word "if" in my question.

If you wanted to reveal yourself in an UNDERSTANDABLE manner to an ant how would you do that?

dalaman:
Some of the words and teachings are true. A lot of the figures and historical events are false. Example the Exodus is a false and non historical event.

Can you offer me proof of this?

Deicide:
YOU HAVE SWITCED TO AD HOMINEM WHEN YOU HAVE NOTING REASONABLE TO SAY?...I KNOW WHY I USED THE WORD COWARD I KNEW IT WOULD GET YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT LIKE TO HEAR THE TRUTH...

WHICH PERSON FOR HERE WAY NO LIKE IN MAMA FOOD?? AT LEAST I STILL DAY ENJOY MY MAMA FOOD TO BAD YOUR OWN DON KICK BUCKET

I DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH DATA THEN SO I PUT THE VIDEO ON "WATCH LATER" UP TILL NOW THE VIDEO IS STILL THERE I DONT HAVE TIME TO WATCH IT YET...

FOR SOMEONE THAT IS QUOTING WHAT HIS MENTOR TAUGHT HIM WORD WORD I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR ADVICE...

Indeed you are a wimp and a yellow bellied sissy.

So having revelation and receiving Rhema is now quoting from my mentor abi? Chai Even deepsight called you an illiterate yesterday with just 2 posts you made he already saw how uncultured and uneducated you were.

You called me a coward first so to you that isnt an ad hominem? I responded in kind and you term mine an ad hominem. See how you are explaining your self to me... YOU DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH DATA SO YOU PUT THE VIDEO ON WATCH LATER..bla blaa bla bla ....are you 10yrs old?

Who asked you for all that? Did i ask you to give me an explanation for your ignorance and irresponsibility?

You never do have anything that is remotely sensible to say do you?

randomperson:
Is this just stupidity or dishonesty to conceal the exposure of your holy spirit sham...
The holy spirit will teach u all things right?? Those issues on which each church create doctrines. Can't the church ask from the holy spirit to make doctrines unnecessary... Do u understand now or should I come again?

Stop being a dumbo. Who is the church? The church is made up of the people. If you do not understand relationship outside religious practice then even my answer would be lost on you. So forget it. I have given you 2 answers which were exactly alike and even highlighted in red as emphasis and you are still regurgitating the same question a 3rd time.

Please stop bugging me with your inability to comprehend English

GrizzlyBear:
This is actually a serious question. Why doesn't God want to show himself to humanity? Is he shy? Or does he have insecurities about himself? Think about it, since the dawn of humanity, God has always been evasive regarding being seen. What's his deal? Is he insecure or something? I don't know if it's just me, but I think it would be easier for people to believe in him and escape eternal, excruciating damnation if he just outgrew his shyness and came out of hiding to reveal himself to everyone. This way, the human race would have a more equal plain of choice and freewill regarding believing in him or not.

I also have reason to think that God is gay. Think about it. All through the bible, he chose to have relationships with only men. Even when he wanted to conceive his son, he sent the holy spirit, cause he didn't want to do it himself. The only way he would have a relationship with women is through his son Jesus. Plus, he doesn't seem to have a wife, which is quite weird. So this sort of substantiates my hypothesis that he might be gay.

So, the combination of homosexuality and shyness doesn't really paint a model picture of the most powerful being in the entire universe whom everyone should devote their lives to.

If you wanted to reveal yourself in an understandable way to an ant how would you do this?

dalaman:
It doesn't matter parts of all.religious books are true.

So which parts are true and which parts are lies?

Deicide:
COWARD WHY DIDNT YOU QUOTE ME DIRECTLY TO SPILL THIS RUBBISH??

I DID RESEARCH THATS WHY I CAME UP WITH THAT VIDEO EXPLAINING IT HERE WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME THATS WHY I PROVIDED THE VIDEO BECAUSE IT EXPLAINS MY OWN VIEW OF WHAT ATHEISM IS!! IF YOU DONT HAVE DATA TO WATCH YOU CA GO BEG OTEM FOR MONEY TO BUY..

See this lilly livered wimpy mamas boy calling me a coward. Someone who still feeds from mummys kitchen is calling me a coward. I already told you that puerility and illogicality is something i detest and you reek of it.

See someone who is talking about data. lmao when an ordinary 4min video i gave you the other day you could not watch and i took my time to watch a 44 min video and break it down.

Little boy if you lack data just say please and your phone would get blown with data.

Stop making people define you. A definition is not reality. Trying to give yourself some kind of importance over a definition is as good as asking a dog to write ABC its useless.

Quoting you is a waste of cyberspace so i opted to quote one who adds value to my cyberspace comprende?

dalaman:
Of course some parts of the bible, Koran and Hindu Verdes are true.

Where did you see me mention verdes and Quran? Did Seun mention verdes or Quran when he made his comment?

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , I don't need to watch a video to understand what I personally researched on . Its all circumlocution without actually making any point . Atheism is a belief and I showed you how .

I expected you to confute my explanation . Prove me wrong .

Even he who claims to be an atheist is depending on another persons definition to convince himself of what it is. He cannot employ his own ability to research and understand leanings. Which is why they fail to realize that there are atheists who believe in some of the things theists believe just like seun who said the other day that SOME parts of the Bible are TRUE

randomperson:
If u can't comprehend a simple comment in English language, u humbly ask for explanation and not try to conceal your cognitive failings with arrogance...
Did I dispute that doctrines are man made? Am saying why does man have to make doctrines when there is the holy spirit.. Or your church doesn't have doctrines??

I am forced to repost this because it is clear you lack the very rudiments of understanding

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Are you stupid or something? Where did i make such an allegation? Doctrine is man made. Jesus did not come to establish a doctrine. Any man who is preaching doctrine instead of Christ is on his own. The Message is Jesus and His love.

Every other thing is borne out of this love. If you preach tithe then those who wish to abide by it ought to do so in Love for God loves willingness and not compulsion. If you preach dressing then those who wish to abide by them should be based on love for God and not compulsion as anything that is not done willingly is a Sin.

You see, Jesus Unites but Doctrine divides. I have preached this message in several ministries and some have come to understand this truth. We serve God not due to doctrine but because we love Him as He first loved us. Doctrine are laws but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are LIBERTY IN LOVE.

This may be too deep for you to understand as all you see are doctrinal differences and to you that shows the weakness of the church...no that is weakness of men who wish to help Jesus finish his work or perfect the Church. Jesus does not need that Help. All He desires is for us to pay attention to the Holy Spirit for AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD.

Sacrifice, tolerance, temperance, patience are some of the uncomfortable aspects of this walk with Jesus so men try to use doctrine to streamline it but doctrine breeds pretense and divisions.

I am not a Religious believer...i am a believer who has a relationship with Jesus and not based on whatever Church i belong. If my church authority brings up a matter that goes against the teachings of Christ i always stand up and reject it. My service is to God and not men.

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KingEbukasBlog:
As in eh

I just cannot fathom how someone who claims to be more intelligent than theists are would find it difficult understanding simple english but we theists understand their own words perfectly. So who is the dumdum here?

randomperson:
Sacrifice, tolerance, temperance, patience and all that shit... And your response to a question that exposes the deceit and hypocrisy of your belief is "Are you stupid?" Just like Bros J., right?
And the very idea of doctrines shows a lack of consensus by all churches which should be the case if u guys really have holy spirit... Why can't u just ask the holy spirit and stop doing doctrines

Indeed you are several shades of dolt.

I suppose my statement which clearly said that DOCTRINES ARE MAN MADE AS JESUS DID NOT COME TO ESTABLISH DOCTRINE was lost on you right? Yet you still mentioned the highlighted.

You guys are beyond blind to understanding and reason.

KingEbukasBlog:

Dem no dey hear word. Lack of understanding is akin to blindness.

randomperson:
The conceited ignorance of Christians is in layers... They believe they have the knowledge that God Exodus to the exclusion of atheists. Then they believe they have the true knowledge of the true God to the exclusion of other religions. Then they believe that their denomination is the one serving God the right way. Then even in the same branch, some people still believe they have the actual revelation... It's a while chain of arrogant delusions

I believe i have already answered this when i began by asking if you were stupid or something. Look up.

randomperson:
Oh... So every other person uses head knowledge and u are the only person or your church is the only one that actually relies on the holy spirit...
That's why even the greatest men of God have different doctrines... They can't agree on whether Christians should wear trousers, whether comedians should minister in church, even whether drums should be played in church

Are you stupid or something? Where did i make such an allegation? Doctrine is man made. Jesus did not come to establish a doctrine. Any man who is preaching doctrine instead of Christ is on his own. The Message is Jesus and His love.

Every other thing is borne out of this love. If you preach tithe then those who wish to abide by it ought to do so in Love for God loves willingness and not compulsion. If you preach dressing then those who wish to abide by them should be based on love for God and not compulsion as anything that is not done willingly is a Sin.

You see, Jesus Unites but Doctrine divides. I have preached this message in several ministries and some have come to understand this truth. We serve God not due to doctrine but because we love Him as He first loved us. Doctrine are laws but Jesus and the Holy Spirit are LIBERTY IN LOVE.

This may be too deep for you to understand as all you see are doctrinal differences and to you that shows the weakness of the church...no that is weakness of men who wish to help Jesus finish his work or perfect the Church. Jesus does not need that Help. All He desires is for us to pay attention to the Holy Spirit for AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD.

Sacrifice, tolerance, temperance, patience are some of the uncomfortable aspects of this walk with Jesus so men try to use doctrine to streamline it but doctrine breeds pretense and divisions.

I am not a Religious believer...i am a believer who has a relationship with Jesus and not based on whatever Church i belong. If my church authority brings up a matter that goes against the teachings of Christ i always stand up and reject it. My service is to God and not men.

Ranchhoddas:
Damogul disagrees with the highlighted. I am not familiar with the term 'theophany' and I am not in the right frame of mind for googling 'things'. A little explanation is required.

Theophany is a visible manifestation of God.

randomperson:
Then how come there is so much controversy in the church?? Or is it not the same holy spirit?

If you understood the last part of that comment you would not have asked this question.

This was the last part

Trying to use your head knowledge to discern the words of God is folly. This is why many make mistakes on their own but still turn around and blame God.

Ranchhoddas:
I did and I actually wish you did not, as it makes continuing my line of query unnecessary.

The word of God is spiritually discerned which is why we were given the Holy spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

John 14: 26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Trying to use your head knowledge to discern the words of God is folly. This is why many make mistakes on their own but still turn around and blame God.