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Deicide:
THE THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU THATS WHY ITS CALLED A FORUM PEOPLE COME HERE TO LEARN AND ASK QUESTIONS ALSO..

I can choose whom to converse with can i not and i say you are not on that list! Illogicality/ Puerility is something i do not subscribe to.

Ranchhoddas:
This suggests that you were taught. Already prepared answers were given to you. Why do you think they are true? I have a feeling that some some other Bible Schools would interprete it as literal.

Do you know what Rhema is? You saw me mention Rhema there did you not?

Deicide:
Dude it Is still Rubbish..

Was i talking to you or to hahn. I do not appreciate kids butting in when i am conversing maturely or is there anywhere i quoted you on this thread?

jonbellion:
you are a geophysicist and you do not acknowledge a 4.5 billion year old earth and the countless works verifying the diversification of life fron your second cousins in terms of profession the palaeontologists

Dude do all Geophysicists subscribe to the same theories especially since yours truly is a Follower of God?

hahn:
Rubbish

Of course its rubbish. I am an authority in this field which clearly you are not especially with all your literal mucking up of scripture to suite your warped mind.

jonbellion:
where did i say i didn't know what micro evolution is!!
Are you high on wet paint
Mr man i read computer science with a minor in physics
What did you read

I said MACRO EVOLUTION and not MICRO EVOLUTION! Are your glasses fogged up? I am a Geophysicist / Geographer so you want to measure tools?

hahn:
Lol

All your explanations are nothing but you trying to make sense out of a senseless quote in a book. "Divine guessing"

The problem with you theists is the ability to interpret bible verses to your benefit.

If this argument was in your favor you would have been backing the fact that god has human features

Like, why do you use "he" to describe god if it doesn't have a body parts?

Do you think this is the first time i am seeing that scripture or the first time i have been asked about it? Dude i am a bible scholar duly mentored and brushed up by Benson idahosa in all nations for Christ bible institute. I do not guess Gods word i know it by revelation for every word comes with a rhema which i know your carnality would never have.

cc Ranchhoddas

jonbellion:
*facepalm*

Facepalm yourself to silence! If you did not know what Macro evolution was or that it was an aspect of evolution then you disqualified yourself at that point. Go back and brush up on your sciences.

jonbellion:
my version
Entropy is the degree of dispersion of energy in a system.
The second law implies that the Universe will always become increasingly uniform; that is, heat (transfer of energy in a way other than work) will spread until the entire universe has the same temperature and energy level
You creationists misinterpret complex scientific facts and you say the laws of thermodynamics disprove evolution
All the examples I gave you disproves your version of the second law
Just stop bro
Just stop

Entropy is a measure of the "disorder" of a system. What "disorder refers to is really the number of different microscopic states a system can be in, given that the system has a particular fixed composition, volume, energy, pressure, and temperature. By "microscopic states", i mean the exact states of all the molecules making up the system.

Stop giving me a wrong definition of entropy please.

jonbellion:
What I mean is that it's not necessary
It has become a creationist favourite
That's why I don't bother with it

*facepalm*

Even with the science links i gave you, you still say its a creationist favourite? Was it creationists who split evolution into 2 processes?

jonbellion:
Evolution is evolution
Didn't you see when I said macro evolution is rarely used
There is no point for the name
Why said i didn't know that
The way you creationists twist words

Oga i say shut up again. Why are you arguing ignorantly and still being proud of it. Who told you evolution is evolution? Who?

Who told you Macro evolution is rarely used. Do you even know what Macro means?

jonbellion:
my version
Entropy is the degree of dispersion of energy in a system.
The second law implies that the Universe will always become increasingly uniform; that is, heat (transfer of energy in a way other than work) will spread until the entire universe has the same temperature and energy level
You creationists misinterpret complex scientific facts and you say the laws of thermodynamics disprove evolution
All the examples I gave you disproves your version of the second law
Just stop bro
Just stop

Nonsense! Where does entropy begin to be applicable?

hahn:
Jehovah the punisher



But god specifically says in Exodus 33:23 “Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back , but My face shall not be seen.”

Care to elaborate?

Kingebukasblog, come and see o. Jehovah is pointing out it's body parts here

A hand is a covering! It does not mean a literal hand. I already explained what he meant by face. Face is the beginning its like saying HEAD or TAIL. Moses requested to see his glory and he cannot do this without showing him the beginning and the end of God...in other words ALL ABOUT HIM which is impossible for a man to see and yet live.

Read my initial post again and put it next to this one. The problem you atheists always have is the inability to understand Gods words in relation to his person.

jonbellion:
nr man macro evolution is nit widely used in scientific circles
It's a creationist thing
Evolution is evolution
What you creationists assume is that it means evolution above the species level or the evolution of one species from another, something that science considers to be merely one aspect of evolution

Shut your mouth! Are the websites i gave you creationist websites? How dumb can you be sometimes? Are these sites i gave you for creationists or strictly for science?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/macroevolution-examples-from-the-primate-world-96679683

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_48

jonbellion:
Bullshit
It is extremely wrong to apply the second law of thermodynamics to the biosphere or life
Entropy is not "disorder" in the broad sense
It is the degree of dispersion of energy in a system
Disorder is a stupid oversimplification
Entropy decreases when water freezes
So basically ice is more "ordered" than liquid water
Your misconception will ultimately disprove
-the formation of snowflakes
-orbits in the solar system
-growth in living organisms
And
-the formation of rocks
Say NO to pseudoscience

Entropy is not disorder in the broad sense? Can you kindly define entropy to the world so we would see your version.

jonbellion:
bull
Bull
Bull
Bull
What the heck is macro evolution
There is nothing like that
It is evolution
You admit that "microevolution" or adaptation, occurs infact you require it to be accelerated to extremes undreamt of by science in order to salvage your global flood theology, but will state emphatically that "macroevolution" is impossible
Bullcrap
And you are still comparing evolution to social Darwinism and dishonestly putting it in the evolutionist camp
You told me it builds up to the next
I just took time to read it again because you were making assumptions that it knocked evolutionists hard
There is nothing mind blowing

There is no excuse for stupidity

Macroevolution is evolution on a scale at or above the level of species, in contrast with microevolution, which refers to smaller evolutionary changes of allele frequencies within a species or population.


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/macroevolution-examples-from-the-primate-world-96679683

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_48

This alone shows you have no knowledge to disprove the OP with so kindly stick to posting memes

hahn:
But it has a backside?

Exodus 33: 18 to 23

18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

Moses requested to see GLORY but God opted to show him GOODNESS. The word “glory” means “heavy” or “weighty.” The idea of “glory” is that of being overwhelmed by the greatness, the “weightiness,” of an event or person. “The glory of God is the weight of all that God is, the fullness of his understanding, virtue, and happiness.”

No man can see the fullness of God and live which was why God said Moses cannot see His face or better put, Moses cannot see the beginning of his glory which was before the world began but he can show him his works or goodness which was why God said "I will make all My goodness pass before you.”

God wanted Moses to know Him by His past doings and acts. God as He is, in all His mystery, we cannot know or comprehend.” In other words, if we want to know God then we must turn to the revelation of how God has worked in the past—primarily as these acts are recorded in His Word. Though God works differently in different eras, the way in which God acts reveals to us something of His character.

The Lord was telling Moses that it was through the revelation of His works that He would give him more insight into His nature. And yet note that this was not simply a matter of giving Moses a “video record” of what God had done. Rather God would make His works known through the revelation of His name as He declared in exodus 34:5-7.

5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

That request by Moses and Gods response was loaded with so much info for moses especially when God said in verse 19 of chapter 33 that He would be gracious on whom he would be gracious and compassion on who he would have compassion. Note the phrase, “I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” In the context, it is clear that this has reference to God’s self-disclosure. In other words, God was saying, “Moses, this is what I am like: I manifest my grace and mercy as I deal with my creation. But I exercise it according to my volition.” So Moses you cannot know me the way you requested but you can know me through my works.

God has no back parts.

Jonbellion any comment beside memes?

@ joyContraMundum and wirinet you called the OP a mumu and the thread Bullshit why dont you guys come and show us what made the OP bullshit and mumu?

Talk is cheap. Show us your scientific knowledge by refuting the OP. I dare you!

The OP kept demanding for a rebuttal but till now there has been no single evidence for evolution. WHY? BECAUSE NONE EXISTS! Just postulations and assumptions and people would sit here and shout EVOLUTION IS A FACT! Where the hell did they get these facts from when even the scientific community is as confused today as they were 100yrs ago?

All the evolutionary proof they have been trying to gather keeps pointing to creationism as they are yet to come to grips with anything and only resort to assumptions nd words like "Probably, most likely, it is believed, we assume, we imagine, etc"

Its madness to push evolution to anyone as truth and fact. Its simply madness!

Blitzerz:
Allow him to swim in his "vestigial" swimming pool.

Even scientists have admitted that they are still learning the physiology of organs.

The guy is wishing the unknown.
"
If we dont know the function. Then it must have belonged to "ancestors"

What a funny thought.

Its called HASTY GENERALIZATION already mentioned at the beginning of the OP. All evolutionists do is ASSUME ASSUME ASSUME! Nothing beyond that. Its absolute stupidity to declare we have an apelike ancestor simply because of the coccyx and then tag it a vestigial organ without any proof. Like i said they believed we had 180 of such vestigial organs and gradually it has been trimmed down to 5 and now probably 3. So why have they not given it a large scale coverage declaring their error so everyone would know? They would give a wide coverage to lies but when those lies are exposed they refuse to give the same coverage so as to make amends for their error and lies.

Evolution is a farce and a big lie.

DoctorAlien:
You're a seriously confused human being. The link you gave me as the "article published by the researchers themselves" is nonfunctional.

Provide in clear terms the novel information which the E.coli gained through mutation in their genetic makeup. Rearrangement of existing information is not the same as GONI.

If you cannot produce it, but are only intent on posting irrelevant sentences, back off!

He is making BASELESS claims.

Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"


You can imagine teaching Children falsehood and assumptions as evolutionary fact! Someone is trying too hard to ensure evolution is seen as fact even in the face of all the lies.

I thank God its exposing itself gradually.

cc seun

Extract from

http://www.livescience.com/10571-appendix-fact-promising.html

Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"

I suggest you read the entire article.

cc seun

More Is being discovered daily. So if you are jumping around using atavism as proof of human ancestry then you need to discard it and stop.

Tonsillectomy is the most frequently performed piece of surgery. Doctors once thought tonsils were simply useless evolutionary leftovers and took them out thinking that it could do no harm. Today there is considerable evidence that there are more troubles in the upper respiratory tract after tonsil removal than before, and doctors generally agree that simple enlargement of tonsils is hardly an indication for surgery.

That is fact because i have a friend who has had his tonsils removed and he does suffer a lot from upper respiratory tract infections.

cc seun

You cannot look at a whale and simply because of some certain external similarities in some bones you suddenly jump ahead and claim he is mans ancestor without any proof to that effect besides artistic diagrams based on your imagination.

Are assumptions truth?

Atavism and evolution have similar issues. They have not been proven as truth up to modern man. They only talk about e-coli but no other thing in truth. But someone somewhere is bent on pushing these assumptions across as FACT when they are just still assumptions....WHY?

Vestigial means An organ that is functionless and generally reduced in size but bears some resemblance to the corresponding fully functioning organs found in related organisms.

Since the jaw bones of mans alleged ancestors are said to be bigger than ours today shouldnt we say our jaw is a vestigial organ since it is smaller?

Since the nostril of mans alleged ancestor is described as being bigger and ours smaller shouldnt our nose bones be seen as vestigial organs as well since they are smaller?

Your talk about vestigial organs is an assumption same way they had an assumption with 180 allegedly vestigial organs in the 1900s but today that is almost squashed.

Are assumptions fact?