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Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:52am On Dec 16, 2016

NubiLove:
You are agnostic atheist... I am a Deist. You talk like a Deist, most Atheist are usually just about ridiculing theists and God.

He is confused. He does not realize that an agnostic atheist is the most illogical and inherently stupid part of atheism. So stupid it makes no sense.

I have shown him this before but he still goes about tagging himself as something even he is not sure of yet talks like a deist. He must be taking analgesics daily to suppress the confusion

Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:48am On Dec 16, 2016

ScepticalPyrrho:
Well, good observation.

My position is not dependent on the popularity of the story of the death and resurrection of christ stories.

Why is this so?

If you read through history, there have always been cases where an entire race can be wrong. And a single person is right.

Besides that the growth of knowledge and technological advancement have always been championed by people who are not shy but bold enough to challenge the existing customs and beliefs.

In the field of jurisprudence, it is absorbed that the truth of a matter may not be determined by the higher population in support of a claim. Accepting the opinion of majority as definitely true is considered a fallacy in logic and law (argumentum ad populum).
It took a bold Copernicus to inform the whole world that the world is spherical and not flat. Even the bible writers thought the world was flat(unarguable!).

That being said. I believe you can understand why the fact that our position is unpopular doesn't flutter us.

That asides. It can still be argued that christianity is not the most popular of religions when we can assume that China having about 30 percent of the world's population are majorly Buddhists. And a good number of Indians, Thai, Vietnam, and other far-Eastern countries are Buddhists.

Lastly, Buddhism was earlier practised. And the story of the life of Gautama Buddha is similar to that of Christ, who were all from the same continent. I'm sure you never knew this. But read about the similarities of the two interesting stories then tell me who is the likely copy.

Read more bro, read more.

All the junk about comparing Buddhism to Christianity you put up there is simply laughable. Why did you leave out the stupid parts of Buddhism? Make your list truthful if you must present one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPPBQEy2SA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNDS6SDJpg

Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:42am On Dec 16, 2016

dblackninja:
You've made this claim far too long without actually telling us how you knew this God. You might have discovered something that will ultimately change the course of humanity. Please tell us HOW YOU KNOW GOD IS REAL.

I also KNOW God is real but the question should be how would you want to KNOW God is real if you seek for evidence? Is a physical evidence going to tbe the litmus test or a spiritual evidence?

The KNOWING of God has indeed changed the course of humanity in Billions of Christians worldwide. Is there a way you can disprove their KNOWING?

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 7:38am On Dec 16, 2016

LightandDarkness:
Nice write up but the atheist diss at the end (why na). Also wouldn't say acceptance of atheists fast growing

Deists do not diss atheists they KNOW atheists are stupid

Christianity Etc › Re: The Miraculous! Video Of The Power Of Prayer And In The Name Of Jesus! by damogul: 7:31am On Dec 16, 2016

alBHAGDADI:
Even their die hard Daddy G.O of atheism and his real disciples are afraid to comment on this thread. They have seen the truth.

He is welcome to try

Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by damogul: 7:27am On Dec 16, 2016

PDBonline:
Edited: Refer to the questions below and those after for the same thought I'm trying to communicate.

If the resurrection was not true because there was no "evidence" to support it, is there evidence with the same level of certainty you demand to the contrary? For example, is there undisputable evidence of where the body of Jesus is. After all, with the "noise" (which historians don't doubt) about the resurrection, those who are against it and the Romans should have just produced the body of Jesus to shame the believers. Do you have evidence that this most logical thing happened?

Especially giving that authoritative sources (historians and philosophers) do not doubt that the disciples of Jesus were genuinely convinced that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

God bless you. How am i just seeing this thread now?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:47pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
abeg see wetin i talk here

ille est means ;That is (i.e)
you can misinterprete or misunderstand my statement all you want...

you are the dishonest person here...
Take your time and understand a thing before concluding..

I Never called the Appendix a vestige/vestigial organ
it is you who re-interpreted my words and did so...

Your words below

MrMontella(m): 7:01pm

2)the appendix is still vestigial...ille est on digestive functions...
Just like the wings of the emu are considered vestigial to flight..but can be used as a shelter from cold.

How can you look at me can call me dishonest when your dishonesty is repulsive. Why would you call the appendix a vestigial organ to digestive functions when it is not a vestigial organ AT ALL?

If its function is based on the immune system (which you claimed to have already known) why would you dishonestly refer it to the digestive system? Are you alright at all?

I have told you that this discussion is over. People who make dishonest arguments piss me off and you are clearly doing so.

Please save your mentions for someone else. Thanks for the time

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:26pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
on the contrary...
He said ''in a way'' exactly inline with what i said...

shey i talk am say you dont understand atavism?

There was never a time the appendix was listed as an atavistic feauture...by any site,journal or anything...

Atavism still stands brother

I am done with you! YOU ARE BEING GROSSLY DISHONEST!

You claimed you knew the appendix had immune system functions yet you called it a vestigial organ when the article said IT HAD CRITICAL FUNCTIONS in the immune system (I suppose you missed that word). And they ruled it out as a vestigial organ yet you were still parading it as a vestigial organ.

You are a dishonest fellow.

Discussion ends. Thanks for your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:23pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
whats with the rambles?
From the page

how does it negate what i said?
Im not sure you got what i said...

Look at the underlined

I said...the appendix is vestigial to digestive functions
i then callibrated my statement with the situation of the emu..for you to grasp the idea..
I know the appendix has immune system functions...
If i considered it a standard vestige...
Why didnt i list it when you asked for a list of vestiges from me?

Your statement shows your narrow mindedness and limited point of view. Simply because the appendix is joined to the large intenstine your assumption is that it must have a function related to the intestine. How shallow!

Regardless of what your assumption was because that is what it was ..AN ASSUMPTION... I have proven to you that ATAVISM is based on assumptions same way your comment about it being linked to digestion was also an assumption.

Is the appendix still a vestigial organ? YES OR NO

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:20pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella i am waiting for you to admit you were wrong about the appendix being a vestigial organ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:16pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella i have given you scientific proof from a credible scientific journal that categorically states that the Appendix is not a vestigial organ will you now admit to being wrong? Will you say that ATAVISM which listed the appendix as a sure proof of evolution is still right?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:07pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
there's no debunking that...
Unless the embroyonic tails in humans cease to be a developing coccyx...

2)the appendix is still vestigial...ille est on digestive functions...
Just like the wings of the emu are considered vestigial to flight..but can be used as a shelter from cold.

Extract from

http://www.livescience.com/10571-appendix-fact-promising.html

Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"

You are obviously not in touch with current positions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:55pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
Im quite busy..
Well..Im not suprised by the nonsense im seeing here...

that has no importance to my statement...
Stop this red herring..

red herring..
And what do you mean by 5?
5 vestiges in humans or an all-round encompassing figure..?

Here's well respected scientific Journals advocating atavism..as proof of evolution..
Nature.com:Atavism and Human Tails

www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(10)00858-4]Cell.com:Atavism

copy the second link;cell.com to your browser if you intend visiting it...it refused hyperlinking...

[url=onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.a.36234/full]Atavism And Various Atavism Cases[/url]

Here's a text from a Top creationist website;ICR on the human embryonic Tail..

https://www.icr.org/article/1068

It is this embroyonic tail which fails to regress sometimes that expresses itself as a phenotype..
Hence the human tails in new born babies

so...the embroyonic tail is a developing coccyx...and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail

images of atavistic human tails can be found here

let it sink sire!...take your time and study evolution....not these uninformed rambles..
Cheers!

This was the same way the appendix was so vehemently painted as an evolutionary authority until it got debunked.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:54pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
not evolutionary scientists...it was never stated there...the quote of the zoologist in that page sef...seems to be anti-evolutional...
Doesnt mean no evolutionist did tho...
That aside
what do you understand by ''interpretations''?

please do..because i checked his page on wiki and couldnt find any links to journals or thereabouts...

and this proves what?
I dont see your point!...honestly

You never ever see anothers point but you expect your point to be seen. If you cannot carry out your own research as the self acclaimed intellectual you are then drop it

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:30pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
lol @generally reduced in size...

Keep on getting wrong information and stating them as what it is supposed to mean...

FYI wisdoom teeth has harmful effects...

Sometimes when you talk with so much arrogant ignorance i laugh at you.

Click this link and simply type a search with the word small and it will take you to all the vestigial organs and all of them are considered small or reduced in size

Ignorance is not an excuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:24pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
give me scientific journals on it...declaring it as a fact
Not his textbook...

And he listed 86...
People interpreted it to 180...

I seriously suggest you do your research and stop asking me silly questions. "People" did not interpret the 86 to be 180...EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS did. I wouldnt want to give you links since you are already biased so help yourself with your own private research.

let me give you some of his initial list of vestigials...please look at them carefully

Adenoids
Appendix
Nipples on males.
Nodes on ears, "Darwin's points"
Parathyroid
Pineal gland
Pituitary gland
Plantaris muscle
Thymus
Toes bones III, IV, V
Tonsils
Valves in veins
Wisdom teeth

How many of those few i dropped there look familiar to you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:09pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
what question?

What happened to 175 of the 180 originally declared vestigial organs?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:07pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
rubbish

when i made my comment i clearly said ''some form of common ancestor''
maybe the translation may be lost to you...
2)Maybe you forgot the post i quoted had to do with ''bible creationism'' i.e man as distinct from animals with no direct links
of which atavism disproves...

3) unlike you...im open to the possibility of an evolutionary designer(s)..the images of atavism i got are even from a Top christian evolutionist site,citing the biological journal

ehya..but my stance is not on look-alike..so i dont know what you're saying...

yes..the same way elements which have seven electrons in their outermost shells always form negative ions etc are hastily called halogens..and is an assumption not a fact right?

Red Herring! We are on atavism pls.

Answer my question!

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:59pm On Dec 15, 2016

So based on the above, what happened to 175 of these vestigial organs? Can you tell me in defense of FACTUAL ATAVISM?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:55pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
how are they my concern pls?

Of course they wouldnt be your concern especially when your vestigial organ argument has fallen on its face.

Who is Robert Wiedersheim? Look him up. Below is an extract from wikipedia

The Structure of Man

The structure of Man: An Index to His Past History deals with various anatomical elements of the human body and attempts to frame them in an evolutionary context with other vertebrates. Wiedersheim himself suggests in the introduction that this work is in the same vein as Thomas Huxley's earlier Evidence as to man's place in nature.[13] The structure of Man began as a much shorter academic treatise, Der Bau der Menschen, produced in 1887 with a small intended circulation. In its original form it lacked any illustrations and gave only a brief overview of many of its topics. Thanks to a high degree of interest and correspondence regarding the work Wiedersheim decided to publish a revised and expanded version.[14] The German second edition was published in 1893 with an English translation by Henry and Matilda Bernard following in 1895.

[b]As part of the book Wiedersheim included a list of the organs discussed in the text which might be considered vestigial. He writes, "comparative morphology points not only to the essentially similar plan of organization of the bodies of all vertebrates, ... but also to the occurrence in them of certain organs, or parts of organs, now known as 'vestigial.' “By such organs are meant those which were formerly of greater physiological significance than at present.”[2]

He picked up on Darwin’s concept of “rudimentary” organs such as listed in the The Descent of Man: the muscles of the ear, wisdom teeth, the appendix, the coccyx (tail bone), body hair, and the semilunar fold in the corner of the eye. The list, however, contains structures which today are known to be essential, and thus represents a historical record of the physiologic understanding of the day.

Evolutionists have used the credited examples of this list as an argument for evolution as they are evolutionary leftovers, of little use to the current organism[/b]. Creationists, on the other hand, have used the discredited examples as an argument against evolution. There is no "scientific" proof, they say, of the uselessness of a particular organ.

It is important to note that a vestige is not necessarily a completely useless organ. Although defined as "useless" in popular media, a vestige as defined in evolutionary biology may still have some use, but the use has since diminished. This definition is consistent with Wiedersheim, who said that vestigial organs are "wholly or in part functionless" (Wiedersheim 1893, p. 200) and have "lost their original physiological significance" (p. 205).

Although Wiedersheim's originally published list contains 86 items, later interpretations enlarged his list to 180 vestiges. The zoologist Horatio Newman said in a written statement read into evidence in the Scopes Trial that "There are, according to Wiedersheim, no less than 180 vestigial structures in the human body, sufficient to make of a man a veritable walking museum of antiquities."[15]

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:41pm On Dec 15, 2016

This is what you and science are doing...

Hasty Generalization: A little sample is used to arrive at a grand conclusion. Lets assume your local Motorcycle seller sells Bajaj bikes; a hasty generalization is to conclude that all motorcycle sellers in Nigeria only sell Bajaj Motorcycles.

Begging the Question or circular logic. An assumption is used as the basis to prove a conclusion; in turn, that conclusion is used as a basis to prove the original assumption.

Simply because you noticed a similarity you ASSUME we share the same ancestor (if such is even possible).

Similarity does not prove anything same way the pictures above do not prove those people are related or share the same family tree because THEY DO NOT!

Those are actually identical UNRELATED LOOK ALIKES. You would think they are related but they are not. Genetics may seem similar simply because we are all human but they would not be the same to prove relationship.

Same way a 70% or alleged 90% or whatever percentage DNA similarity between man and bonobos or chimps do not prove ancestry.

ALL WE HAVE ARE ASSUMPTIONS. PERIOD!

I have made this very simple for you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:36pm On Dec 15, 2016*

MrMontella are these people from the same family or are they related?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/13/article-2247797-168104F4000005DC-894_634x524.jpg

https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/03/05/3573443f-dd73-43ec-8919-42bac288e148/resize/620x465/796fea249dfaabe0222525877d64dc76/brunelle-meredith-h-mckeon-and-heather-zimmerman-atlanta-2014.jpg

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-15-at-9.19.14-AM.png

https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/twins.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/01/a1/c3/01a1c333580a2552b95088262f85ea43.jpg

https://img.topyaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Russell-Crowe-and-Ben-McKenzie.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/16/article-2279851-17A0C0D7000005DC-879_634x359.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/25/article-0-172597DA000005DC-933_634x773.jpg

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:24pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
No and No..
Atavism is the re-appearance of traits lost during our evolutionary journey oga..

Were the 180 vestigial organs inclusive of the appendix not seen as traits lost or rendered useless during our evolutionary journey?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:16pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
@the bolded Nope!
Clearly you have no idea what im talking about!

also...
Please provide proof of this fabled seal of approval...

If what a person/scientist publishes in his own book is what you call a seal of approval or scientifically reviewed and approved fact...
Then clearly you're lost on a lot of things...

on the contrary, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Who laid claims to 180 vestigial organs initially was it not Atavism? Yes or no

Who included thr apendix as a vestigial organ was it not atavism? Yes or no

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:15pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
Im quite busy..
Well..Im not suprised by the nonsense im seeing here...

that has no importance to my statement...
Stop this red herring..

red herring..
And what do you mean by 5?
5 vestiges in humans or an all-round encompassing figure..?

Here's well respected scientific Journals advocating atavism..as proof of evolution..
Nature.com:Atavism and Human Tails

www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(10)00858-4]Cell.com:Atavism

copy the second link;cell.com to your browser if you intend visiting it...it refused hyperlinking...

[url=onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.a.36234/full]Atavism And Various Atavism Cases[/url]

Here's a text from a Top creationist website;ICR on the human embryonic Tail..

https://www.icr.org/article/1068

It is this embroyonic tail which fails to regress sometimes that expresses itself as a phenotype..
Hence the human tails in new born babies

so...the embroyonic tail is a developing coccyx...and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail

images of atavistic human tails can be found here

let it sink sire!...take your time and study evolution....not these uninformed rambles..
Cheers!

I am surprised you dodged replying to doctoraliens debunking of your claims.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:13pm On Dec 15, 2016

jonbellion:
lol Your thread has been trashed Sorry

Why not make yourself useful by trying to help your friend answer my question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:10pm On Dec 15, 2016

All I need is a yes or no answer Mrmontella am I lying?

The apendix just got debunked barely 3yrs ago but till date no proper publicity has been made so as to update the text books which is why schools still mention it as a vestigial organ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:09pm On Dec 15, 2016

was it not the same atavism that gave a seal of approval that man had 180 vestigial organs? What then happened to 175?

If those were debunked then atavism is still an assumption...simple as ABC.

If it was fact then they would not have been debunked. Same way the rest would soon be crossed off just like the apendix was also authoritatively spoken of but is now off that list.

Am I lying?

Christianity Etc › Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:04pm On Dec 15, 2016

MrMontella:
Im quite busy..
Well..Im not suprised by the nonsense im seeing here...

that has no importance to my statement...
Stop this red herring..

red herring..
And what do you mean by 5?
5 vestiges in humans or an all-round encompassing figure..?

Here's well respected scientific Journals advocating atavism..as proof of evolution..
Nature.com:Atavism and Human Tails

[url=www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(10)00858-4]Cell.com:Atavism[/url]
[color=red]copy the second link;cell.com to your browser if you intend visiting it...it refused hyperlinking...

[url=onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.a.36234/full]Various Atavism Cases[/url]

Here's a text from a Top creationist website;ICR on the human embryonic Tail..

https://www.icr.org/article/1068

It is this embroyonic tail which fails to regress sometimes that expresses itself as a phenotype..
Hence the human tails in new born babies

so...the embroyonic tail is a developing coccyx...and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail

images of atavistic human tails can be found here

let it sink sire!...take your time and study evolution..
Cheers!

Let what sink? Were the initial 180 vestigial organs not debunked to 5?

Is the apendix not about to be removed from that list?

If they are then atavism is an assumption as the other alleged vestigial organs will also be crossed off shortly.

Take your time to understand and sponge this up...EVOLUTION IS A FARCE AND FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS!

Christianity Etc › Re: Amazement As Filing Station Fire Razes Down Everything In Sight, Except One Car by damogul: 5:00pm On Dec 15, 2016

jonbellion:
lmao Is staged the answer for everything

That seems to be the only answer you lot have. Repeated like a broken jukebox

Christianity Etc › Re: Amazement As Filing Station Fire Razes Down Everything In Sight, Except One Car by damogul: 4:59pm On Dec 15, 2016

jonbellion:
you nor dey shame

shame over what?

I rejoice in good news. in the midst of bad there is always good. Or don't you think so?

Christianity Etc › Re: Amazement As Filing Station Fire Razes Down Everything In Sight, Except One Car by damogul: 4:57pm On Dec 15, 2016

jonbellion:
Wooooooooooow

was this staged too?

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