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We’ve stopped taking you seriously right from time indefinite. I’ve met so many clueless churchgoers on this Nairaland and honestly I don’t think I’ve seen any as dense as you and freshboi88.

Bishopkingsley:

Promote Jesus Jesus is the actor of the Bible he is the reason God created man
Did God know Adam will fail yes so God made a provision through his son to take over if Adam fails
If you don't have Jesus you don't have life church won't and can't save you remove the scale from your eyes your father and mother can't save you JW can't, the GB can't even save themselves lol pope can't save you

Can you reconcile the highlighted with what you said here? Meanwhile this was someone arguing in support of the pope on the other thread. So you believe in the Catholic teachings but you don’t believe it will save you? I don’t believe some of you are this dumb in real life.

Bishopkingsley:
I believe in some of Adventist, Protestants, catholic etc teachings but I refuse to believe on any teaching that is hostile to the word of God

Moreover how does the screenshot below match with what you said about idolizing saints? Why is Nancy2020 idolizing Mary as a saint? Maybe this was the “Unity in diversity” that boy was talking about.

Catholic got the trinity doctrine correct too the part they fail is on idolizing dead Saint

MaxInDHouse:
Bishopkingsley is just a clown!
The last time he said only those who believe that Jesus is Almighty God are Christians.
Then he mentioned few Churches that are not in agreement with his opinion yet there are many members of his own Church that will argue with him on that.
How i wish each person first mention the name of his/her Church before commenting they will not have anything to say but they're all hiding their Churches!

To be honest with you, it’s really shocking. That was how Nancy2020 instantly denied her Catholic Church before the presence of the Witnesses because she knows in a matter of minutes, her religion will be made a laughing stock with just a handful of Scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:

I told you not to let him suspect that you're drawing him out of the box. Now he's feeling feverish over all the nonsense and ingredients he has said.
Well thank you, at least i now understand that the the confusion making members of Christendom Churches contradicting themselves with abuses, insults and curses are the results of their Unity in Diversity.

Really I’m not interested in arguments that yield nothing fruitful. 1Timothy 6:4
The young man wanted to use style to run from the discussion so I wanted to put him on his toes because he thought the other time that because Witnesses left him to his folly, that he had something tangible to say.
You can even imagine, his friend Kingsley couldn’t come to his rescue throughout all of these because he doesn’t know where to start from as this “Unity in diversity” is completely new to his ears. My brother let us keep Jesus’ words to heart jare, A kingdom that is divided against itself CANNOT stand is a sure fact so “Unity in diversity” don get accident. Matthew 12:25

freshboi88:
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I’ve responded to you based on 1Corinthians 7:19 already.

DappaD:
You yourself quoted 1Corinthians 7:19 where it was said that circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing. Which means that the differences between the Christians back then was not as a result of doctrines because all those apostles no dey use eye see person wey dey teach different doctrine. 1Timothy 1:3-4, 6:3-5; Titus 3:10-11, 2John 7-11

But you’ve been dodging the scriptures I brought to your attention. The question is why?

DappaD:
Romans 16:17(KJV)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1Timothy 1:3-4
“Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.”

1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion,  he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

2Timothy 4:3-4
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”

freshboi88:
I am done with u. The truth has been preached to u. Wanna continue in falsehood and lies...suit yourself.

What a way to bow out from the discussion!
What do you know about ‘truth’?
I thought you people normally say there’s no ‘truth’ anywhere that one can pitch his tent anywhere he likes.
So “Unity in diversity” is the truth, right? While what Paul wrote below are the lies and falsehood? Don’t worry I’ve heard you loud and clear.

DappaD:
Romans 16:17(KJV)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1Timothy 1:3-4
“Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.”

1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

2Timothy 4:3-4
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”

freshboi88:
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Because u are quoting things not relevant to the discussion. When the Bible is talking about doctrine it us not referring to what u are saying.
It is talking about teachings that deny the divinity of Jesus or go against his commandments. It was referring to apostate groups like the JW who teach that Jesus is not God. Pple like JW, Mormons, Adventist who twist the teachings of the gospel.
Not people who debate on the right mode of baptism, infant baptism. These issues are open for debate cos the Bible is not explicitly clear on how these things ought to be done. So it's left for open interpretation. This is where human factor comes in. In a case of mode of baptism....there are christian groups that believe in immersion only, others believe in pouring and sprinkling etc.
Now if Paul was to write a letter to these Christians, what do u think his response would be. The scripture is clear on that
Based on 1cor 7:19. He would say whether immersion, sprinkling or pouring, it doesn't matter, what matters is keeping God's commandment.
I hope u are learning. Pray that the Holy Spirit remove this spiritual blindness the watch tower has given u, so that u can begin to see the meat of scripture[/s]

What’s your take on these Scriptures?

Romans 16:17(KJV)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1Timothy 1:3-4
“Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.”

1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

2Timothy 4:3-4
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”

OK so you said the Witnesses, LDS and SDA are twisting scriptures but it happens that it’s only the Witnesses who are giving you people headache abi?

When we go out to preach, we often encounter LDS and SDA members who are afraid to speak to us. Why do you think that’s the case? They aren’t skilled enough to use the Bible like the Witnesses(Ephesians 6:17) so they know if we engage in discussions with them, they’ll see errors in their doctrines and they also know that hundreds of persons from Mormons and SDA became Witnesses yearly but it can never happen that a baptized JW turns around and becomes a member of their religion.

At the very least a former JW will remain irreligious because he knows there’s no truth anywhere else other than amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses. So next time make your comparison without classifying all of us in the same sentence because Witnesses do not recognize SDA AND LDS as Christians, we recognize only those who are doing the will of Jehovah and obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ(Matthew 12:46-50, John 14:15) not people who merely claim to follow Jesus. Luke 6:46

freshboi88:

1cor 7:19For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.
This verse proves you wrong. Paul says whether u believe in circumcision or uncircumcision. It doesn't count.
In other words irrespective of what u think believe about circumcision, what matters is that u love God and keep his commandments.
A clear case of unity in diversity

Again, if circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing, then their differences was not about doctrine because Paul was not preaching about circumcision or un-circumcision, therefore it’s not an official doctrine in the congregation whether one gets circumcised or remains uncircumcised. Galatians 5:2

I’ve been quoting Scriptures ever since but you happen to avoid them, why is that the case?

Romans 16:17(KJV)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

1Timothy 1:3-4
“Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.”

1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

2Timothy 4:3-4
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”


I need your take on the cited Scriptures above so that we’ll see where your “unity in diversity” falls under.


Once you keep harping on what transpired in Galatians chapter 2, it only leads to one question that required either yes or no.
WAS JESUS’ PRAYER THAT HIS DISCIPLES BE UNITED IN THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT AND TEACHING ANSWERED?

freshboi88:

Wasn't the holy spirit in the Christians who came from James who belonged to the circumcision group?
Go and siddon u dnt know anything

Guy if circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing then their differences was not based on doctrine. We have already agreed on that so stop bringing circumcision issue up again, it wasn’t about doctrine!

It’s quite unfortunate that Paul did not see things the way you’re seeing them now. There was no room for anything like diversity in doctrine! Romans 16:17, Galatians 5:20, 1Timothy 1:3,4; 6:3-5
There’s no problem because from the onset the Witnesses have claimed to have their own Jesus(Archangel Michael) while you have yours(who you claim is also your God) so don’t worry we have already agreed that your own Jesus’ prayer wasn’t answered, meanwhile we’ve seen that the prayer of Michael was answered on behalf of the Witnesses. At least we finally know who has the correct Jesus. John 15:8

freshboi88:

I am not forcing anything. As far as humans are in charge of the church here on earth we would always see things differently.
There are things that are not explicitly stated in the Bible and so church leaders would have divergent views on these things. For example water baptism mode, baptism of infants. These are things denominations disagree on. Just like we saw then that we had groups that believed in circumcision of gentiles and those who didn't.
But in all these our faith in Jesus as Lord and God, co-equal, co-eternal with the Father is our uniting factor.
That is why Paul said circumcision or uncircumcision it doesn't matter.

MaxInDHouse:
Because they're all practicing interfaith and it's like only JWs aren't part of their system, freshboi88 wants to support interfaith with God's word but it's just a pity the Bible cannot be edited!

He so wants to force it into the Bible by force by fire. Talking about “Unity in diversity” yet Paul removed individuals who brought a different doctrine from the congregation. 1Timothy 1:20, 2Timothy 2:16-18

You yourself quoted 1Corinthians 7:19 where it was said that circumcision/un-circumcision means nothing. Which means that the differences between the Christians back then was not as a result of doctrines because all those apostles no dey use eye see person wey dey teach different doctrine. 1Timothy 1:3-4, 6:3-5; Titus 3:10-11, 2John 7-11

freshboi88:

You can't change scripture man.
Let's analyze your positions in this debate
1. Firstly u claim that the people who came were not christains so that is why Peter pretended. When I called u out on that showing u they are christians so Peter would not need to pretend if this group was factional, divided on doctrinal issues...u changed position
2. Next u tried to blame the devil as the reason for his pretence and when I told u the devil was not to blame for this and showed u y Paul called Peter out.....u went mute.
The point here is no matter what doctrinal issue we have, be it induced by our environment, it really doesn't matter. What matters is our faith in Jesus. Our faith in Jesus is what unites us in our diversity.
And this is y u r not united with Jesus in this faith. It is why u r an outcast because u don not believe not profess Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. The first and the last, the Almighty.

So you know circumcision/uncircumcision means nothing yet you’re still hinged on the mistake that Peter made, which was later corrected. No matter how you look at it you cannot force a scripture to say what it did not say. There was NO doctrinal difference amongst the first century Christians and likewise there is NONE amongst true Christians today. Romans 15:6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2, 1Peter 3:8

You’re in serious trouble if there is disunity amongst your churches because then you’re saying Jesus’ prayer was not answered and that he did not come from God(John 17:23) which can only mean that you’re following a fake Jesus. Matthew 24:24

freshboi88:

This is what holds true on the subject. Quote scripture relevant to circumcision. That's what the debate is about.
Now on circumcision. This is what holds true.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
Keeping the commandment of God is what matters circumcised or uncircumcised.
So all these little doctrinal issues don't matter. All that matters is our faith in Jesus. The fact that we believe that it is only by him that we are saved. This is what really makes us one. Not weather we belong to a circumcision group or not
This free biblical schooling u r receiving, u go pay o....

freshboi88:
11 When Cephas(A) came to Antioch,(B) I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James,(C) he used to eat with the Gentiles.(D) But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
@bold scripture is clear. If there's a group that belonged to circumcision then there is a group that doesn't. This is a clear case of faction within the first church.
Every other opinion is your false interpretation.

OK. Therefore the following holds true?

Say someone commits sexual immorality, a serious sin that’s worthy of shunning. 1Corinthians 5:11
But the person displays godly sadness and repents/turns away from his sin(2Corinthian 7:10), do you keep asking what led the person to commit that grevious sin and claim that he/she is still advocating for sexual immorality even after he has been reproved?

MaxInDHouse:
He often enjoys self appraisal while his cohorts cheers him up!

Brother when you start peering into the minds of these people ehn you get to see how far gone they are. Certainly those who keep feeding off from Wormwood will remain in spiritual death and captivity. Revelation 8:11

freshboi88:

So now it's satan u r blaming!...Paul would be very ashamed of u. Because if u read the text properly, it tells us why Peter decided to pretend. I'll make bold the reason so u can see how shameless u r.
Gal 2: 11 When Cephas(A) came to Antioch,(B) I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James,(C) he used to eat with the Gentiles.(D) But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
James was one of the leaders of church in Jerusalem who belonged to d circumcision group. The group that believed in gentile circumcision. So when Peter saw the men from James he knew what their stand was on eating with uncircumcised gentiles. Now this is why he relapsed and began to pretend.
Paul on the other hand did not believe in gentile circumcision.
Peter was anywhere belle face, trying to play both sides...doing the when in Rome behave like a Roman thing. Now that is why Peter called him out @bold2
So did Paul and James have doctrinal issues on circumcision. The answer is a resounding YES.
But mugu like u who doesn't have the capacity or brain to figure things out for themselves are waiting to see it spelt out word for word. No wonder the things of the spirit are hidden from u. U read the Bible like a story book

Walk me through your thought process again. Someone commits a sin like sexual immorality and repents, you keep asking what led the person to do so after repentance and then you claim he still advocates for sexual immorality?. The purpose of readjustment is for one who has begun deviating. 2Corinthians 13:11

If Jesus’ prayer for his disciples to be united was not answered, then Peter would have gone to open his own church and done how he liked after all he saw Jesus live on earth while Paul didn’t but he accepted reproof and wrote that Christians must desist from hypocritical behaviour(1Peter 1:22, 2:1) he even called Paul his brother(2Peter 3:15), now how can he be calling someone you claim that has a different doctrine, his brother? Did he not write that the brothers should be like-minded? 1Peter 3:8

I mean how dense do you need to be before you realise that the highlighted CANNOT be inferred from what happened? You can even see all your buddies are in the background watching how you display your ignorance but they won’t step in to vouch for the gibberish you’re saying now so long as it’s against JWs they’re okay with it, later you’ll start giving yourself rounds of applause after displaying how uncouth you are in terms of knowledge.

freshboi88:
Do u even know the meaning of been hypocritical ?

freshboi88:
U can't remove the men that came James they are a keep part to understanding why he did what he did.....go and study scripture man not just what your watch tower deceivers tell u

freshboi88:

Peter wouldn't just take a false step like a relapse.... something triggered that relapse. How come he didn't relapse until he saw men who came from James

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I’ve already told you before.

DappaD:
Only Satan the Devil is against unity that’s why his only motive is to tear down and destroy(John 10:10) and since you’re a proponent against unity, you’ve proved yourself to be a child of the Devil. John 8:44

Let’s get something straight. Say someone commits sexual immorality, a serious sin that’s worthy of shunning. 1Corinthians 5:11
But the person displays godly sadness and turns away from his sin(2Corinthian 7:10), do you keep asking what led the person to commit that grevious sin and claim that he/she is still advocating for sexual immorality even after he has been reproved? Think!

freshboi88:

You don hook.....d Bible states that the men that came, came from James, so they are fellow Christians n since there was unity in the Christian fold. Why did Peter feel the need to stop eating with gentiles when he saw them ?

freshboi88:

Ode!....see the level of reasoning of the person I'm debating with. He saw his fellow christians so why d need to pretend ?

You find it hard to reason and understand, right? Let’s remove the men that came from James out of the equation first. So if Peter had already been eating and associating with the men from the nations, then how could he be against un-circumcision?

freshboi88:

So why did Peter need to pretend before the men that came from James ?
Why did he display hypocrisy... something must have triggered it.

Anywhere you see Peter please ask him why he displayed hypocrisy.
From what Peter was able to do at Acts chapter 10 and 11, it shows that he was not against those not circumcised but had taken a false step and needed readjustment.

freshboi88:

Dnt rush ahead of your self. Why did Peter see the need to pretend before disciples of James even when he had preached that circumcision was not required ?

Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile yet Peter went to his home to preach to him and even came to the conclusion that God is not partial and that he accepts even those from the nations who are uncircumcised. Acts 10:34,35
So the issue is not that he had a different doctrine but that he displayed hypocrisy.

So here’s my question to you now, if you say Christians can have different doctrines and still be followers of Christ, between you and another person who has a different teaching, which one of you is showing hypocrisy and pretense? Because from what transpired in Galatians chapter 2, you’ve been harping on the mistakes of Peter that he had a different doctrine so you have to agree that the other person claiming Christian is a hypocrite once he has a different doctrine from you so we’re back again to where we started!

freshboi88:

Is Peter not a Jew, or is Paul not a Jew as well? Why did he need to be hypocritical? It's not like the people who came were Pharisees. They were disciples of James.
So what favour did Peter need with them? And why did he need to pretend to disciples of James?

For your information, Jesus told Peter and his disciples that Satan is working overtime to make sure there is disunity amongst God’s people. Luke 22:31
So once you keep harping on their mistakes, it clearly shows that you’re an advocate of the Devil.

freshboi88:
Dnt get too far ahead of yourself BOI. Light always conquers darkness. I have had to teach your brother the meat of scripture to let himsee the disparity bw Paul and James in terms of gentile circumcision. So where is your victory now ?

We are still asking you where the highlighted happened but you’ve refused to answer.
Only Satan the Devil is against unity that’s why his only motive is to tear down and destroy(John 10:10) and since you’re a proponent against unity, you’ve proved yourself to be a child of the Devil. John 8:44

freshboi88:

MuMu BOI....the men that Peter saw and withdrew from the gentiles came from whom ?
Paul attacks Peter for withdrawing because he saw men who came from James.
With this illustration who are the actors with divergent ideas ?
Answer the question correctly, Nd find d answers u seek. But I honestly doubt u would be able to answer...aren't JWs just zombies who can't think for themselves ?

If from what you’re saying, Peter was against un-circumcision then why would the Jews who were supporters of circumcision come to criticize him? Acts 11:2-4

Or was Peter not amongst the apostles who wrote to the various congregations that circumcision was no longer a requirement? Acts 15:7

The official doctrine amongst the Christians was that circumcision of the foreskin was no longer recognized by the true God. 1Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 5:2
Peter knew that circumcision carried no weight anymore but since he wanted favour from the Jews, he put up that pretense so his crime was hypocrisy, not doctrine! Galatians 2:13

Paul wrote that if one sees his brother taking a false step, the overseers in the congregation should readjust him in a spirit of mildness(Galatians 6:1) and that was exactly what Paul did in Peter’s case.

Peter later learnt his lesson from the reproof Paul gave him, that’s why he wrote that Christians should show unhypocritical brotherly affection. 1Peter 1:22
And Peter still referred to Paul as his “beloved brother” (2Peter 3:15) meaning they were in good terms afterwards.

So Paul and Peter experienced what was written at 2Corinthians 13:11

“Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace all be with you.”

freshboi88:
I no say Una no dey read Bible Dap MuMu.
11 When Cephas(A) came to Antioch,(B) I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James,(C) he used to eat with the Gentiles.(D) But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.(E) 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas(F) was led astray.
The highlighted should suffice to shut u up

So where did you see disagreement between James and Paul in that scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
They only listen to stories from the mouth of their pastors! I know the boy is now searching for where James and Paul had disagreement!

Meanwhile this was somebody congratulating himself the other time that he won argument against the Witnesses, now just look at him.

freshboi88:
James and Paul's agreed that Jesus was the Messiah, The Son of God who is himself God. That they agreed on. They message was centered on Jesus just like all Christian denominations do.

But on the issue of gentile circumcision there was a disparity between James and Paul.

Same way christians differ on things like tithing, baptism and so on.....
But does this disparity mean that there is no unity between Christian groups ? If you say Yes, then u will have to also agree that Paul and James had doctrinal disparity n the prayer of Jesus did not manifest in the ministry of the early church

In which part of the Bible did the highlighted happen? Guy you need serious Bible study if you think that’s what happened at Galatians chapter 2!

freshboi88:

I'll turn your logic against u.
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was condemned. 12 For before certain people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles, but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he[a] was afraid of those who were of the circumcision, 13 and the rest of the Jews also joined in this hypocrisy with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with them in their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not being straightforward with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of them all, “If you, although you[b] are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you try to compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
So was Jesus's prayer not answered when James and Paul had different opinions ?

This boy, the scripture doesn’t reflect what you’re trying to force it to mean. The Christians were to have ONE doctrine. Ephesians 4:3
I’m sorry but the disagreement they had the was not because of doctrine, let that sink in.

Nancy2020:
saying your church is childish because God tells everyone to preach Jesus and not church.
So if you see people preaching church or organization just know they are little children in the faith.
That is why we glorify Jesus first. Lift Jesus up and not your church because all church or organization are prone to error only Jesus is the perfect human being and perfect church because his body is the church. Just look to Jesus and stop looking unto human beings for help.
Who can save you is it your church or is it Jesus.

Ask yourself the same question! Is it Jesus or the apostles that can save? Since it is Jesus, why must the Christians subject themselves to the doctrines of the apostles? Acts 2:42
For example, did Jesus abolish circumcision? Why would the Christians obey the commandments of the apostles that circumcision was no longer required of God’s people? 1Corinthians 7:19
You think Jesus has business with you if you don’t obey those persons he entrusted with the responsibility to care for God’s flock? Matthew 10:40, Hebrews 13:7,17

Since you’re not ready to mention the name of your spiritual family, it therefore means you are NOT a Christian. Mark 10:29,30

Nancy2020:
I completely understand how Bishopkingsley show the difference between church doctrine and Bible doctrine.
The Father, the son, the holy spirit,,, this is what unite many different churches together so that is the main thing trying to pit us against our church doctrine is evil of you because you already know we don't agree on that area. So try some thing else to do.
Jesus is God Almighty this is the main thing which is actually important in Bible and in life.

I’ve heard you ma’am and I appreciate that you’re being straightforward but you’ve still not obliged to my request. Can I know the name of your church? I mean those people with whom have spiritual brotherhood with? 1Peter 2:17
Those whom you’re supposed to be associating with in these last days? Hebrews 10:24-25
A spiritual family whom you can boast with your chest like Jesus that they are doing the will of God? Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 10:28-30

freshboi88:

Lair...u claim you are followers of Jehovah. Do u honor Jehovah ?

Please don’t digress! You’ve not answered my question!

DappaD:

But you mean to say now that God is for disunity and confusion while Satan is for unity abi? Just hear yourself and see how stupid you sound!

Since you’ve already agreed that you’re divided in doctrines and not united, therefore you deny that Jesus was sent by God! John 17:23
And according to 2John 7, that is a very serious offence since you are referring to yourself as an antiChrist.

freshboi88:
They emphasized unity because they knew human prejudices would always rear it's ugly head just as it was in the days of the apostles.
The unity been taught n prayed for was a unity in diversity. This is something u and ur ilks would never understand.

Weren’t you the same person congratulating himself before that you won argument against the Witnesses? Now look how you can’t even hold your own anymore as you keep jumping from one lie to another. Please where is this “UNITY IN DIVERSITY” teaching or dogma mentioned in the Bible?
So Paul was practicing this “unity in diversity” yet he instructed Timothy to command certain ones not to teach a different doctrine in the congregation? 1Timothy 1:3,4
In fact, see what Paul said at 1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.”

So where is your “unity in diversity” when the person Jesus directly appointed(Acts 9:15) is saying something different?

Nancy2020:
I believe in Trinity
I believe Jesus is God Almighty and holy spirit is God Almighty so why are you acting like I have ever refused to believe something that catholic and many other Christians churches declare and what is in the Bible.

Good for you! What is the name of your church ma’am? I would appreciate if Mr Kingsley would also mention his, so we can clarify if you’re all one in agreement.

Therefore since Exodus 3:15 mentioned that Jehovah is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it means they’re all the same person?

Jesus also made the following statements:

Matthew 24:36
“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.”

John 14:28b
“The Father is greater than I am.”

Yet you claim Jesus is the same as the Father?

Mr Kingsley, please do your best to instill your teachings into the minds of awitness41, PeaceJoyLove and Nancy2020 because as it seems you’re having a hard time establishing your dominance around them. Meanwhile, when you come across the moniker “DappaD”, just forget about trying to put up an argument because I don’t even read long epistles that have no meaning to me.

Bishopkingsley:

Funny question if you read Bible well you will see trinity in this verse
You should know it under Bible foundation doctrine
This is the foundation of Jesus Christ
This is the reason God revealed Jesus to humanity
What next did Jesus do he then revealed holy spirit to humanity too,
the same way the father did Jesus equally did
Do this in the name of the father the son the holy spirit.... This is where we coin the word trinity if you don't like to call it trinity then call it it complete name
The Father
The son
The holy spirit
Matthew 28:19 ►
New International Version
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
New Living Translation
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
English Standard Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Berean Study Bible
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

So which one does Trinity fall under? Church traditional doctrine or Bible foundation doctrine? Because whichever it is, there is still that mire of confusion that springs up whenever Trinity is mentioned in any gathering.

Just the other day at work, some colleagues of mine were in a debate about the nature of God, one said God is mystery that you will need to see him first to know who he is, another said that God was an office that sends out one part of himself to do stuff. All these gibberish without Scriptural evidence yet there were okay arguing amongst themselves but when me the Witness wanted to chip in, that was when they demanded that I use the scriptures to explain who the true God was.

So according to Jesus, if there is no unity regarding doctrine amongst you and your brethren in your church, then it simply means you’re denying that Jesus was sent by God. John 17:23

Bishopkingsley:

There is
church traditional doctrine and there is
Bible foundation doctrine
All believers back then and now are united on Bible foundation doctrine
Which is do this in the name of the father the son the holy spirit this is where trinity comes from..
Now each church can defer in church traditional doctrine that where the Apostle defer on so note the difference
Now JW have left the Bible foundation doctrine and started to worship organizational doctrines and then they claim Jesus is an angel and holy spirit is just a force this are twisted doctrine which is from the devil
Now what is church tradition doctrines they are examples
Should women wear trousers
Is water baptism sprinkled or immersion
Can a second pastor that failed to do his job be placed in a new position just like what separated Paul and Barnabas which made the holy spirit intervene and asked them to separate
Many things are under church tradition doctrines which each church can chose the ones they want so as to move the main thing God called each one to do which is do this things in the name of the father the son the holy spirit
Matthew 28:19
New International Version
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
New Living Translation
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
English Standard Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Berean Study Bible
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,