freshboi88:

But u r the one who claims oh u JWs are united n Christians are segregated by doctrinal issues. Our segregation is rooted in scripture.
But your unity is demonic not scriptural

The disagreement between Paul and Barnabas, the conduct of Peter and the reproof Paul gave to him was not as a result of doctrinal issues. When it came to doctrines, all the Christians were required to obey & feed on what the apostles prepared. Acts 2:42, 15:6-29

As for the highlighted, the same Paul and Peter you’re mentioning, wrote the following Scriptures:

1Corinthians 1:10
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought”

1Peter 3:8
“Finally, all of you have unity of mind, fellow feeling, brotherly affection, tender compassion, and humility.”

Heck, even their oga made this petition to God at John 17:20-23
“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.”

From the highlighted in Jesus’ prayer, if unity cannot be seen amongst you people claiming Christians, it then means you’re denying the fact that Jesus was sent by God!
So remind us again how your doctrinal differences in your churches is supported by Scripture?

Moreover, I’ve never seen anytime in history where Satan was an advocate for unity and love(John 10:10) in fact amongst God’s people, everything must be carried out decently and in arrangement because Jehovah is not an author of confusion(1Corinthians 14:33,40) therefore God’s people are to be united when it comes to doctrine. Ephesians 4:1-5

But you mean to say now that God is for disunity and confusion while Satan is for unity abi? Just hear yourself and see how stupid you sound!

GardenOfGod:
I started debating with MaxInDHouse... I silenced him... He's resorted to abuses now.
Then DappaD came and I sent him to dungeon.....
You Janosky want to show that you know your NWT more than the translators.
I WANT YOU TO SEE HOW YOUR NEW WORLD TRANSLATORS RECOGNISED JESUS AS "THE GOD"

You desperately want to score points against JWs so bad lol. The picture below looks like someone who sent me to dungeon or avoided the assignment I gave him?
Your statement “am finished with you please” sounds so much like someone who wants to run away from being exposed still you keep mentioning me to congratulate yourself after you realised there’s nothing else in that puny brain of yours.

Aboks:
Lies jehovahs witnesses dont believe in hell fire

STOP spreading false information

Funny enough the people who DO believe in a hellfire commit the worst atrocities known to mankind. Whereas the ones who DON’T are generally known as people who hold on to high moral standards. Matthew 5:16, 1Peter 2:12
The irony of it all I tell you.

Righteousness2:
What is Happening to the Sleeping Giant aka Nomerica is an Evidence of How Bad things become when a Nation or People turns it back on GOD ALMIGHTY.
See how 13 souls are wasted because of a Godless Sodomic leadership that thinks it is wise in it own eyes
Imagine a Godless, Demonic army ( Isis- K/ Taliban) giving orders to a Nation that was a Super Power, but now a toothless Power.
America O America! How are the Mighty Fallen! Indeed Righteousness Exalts a Nation! Sin is a Reproach..
Babylon the Great is Gone!

Rubbish. But America wasn’t Babylon the Great when your darling Trump was the president of America shey? Continue deceiving yourself.

Righteousness2:
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Foolishness abounds in the Heart of a Child but the Rod of Correction will drive it far from Him..
I cannot be Deceived by nonsense news!
I know the Facts! I know what I Expect!
GOD BLESS HIS servant President Trump!
If you are angry, look for a river and fly into it

Hello! I thought this topic was already done and dusted, so why are you still quoting me? I haven’t found time to read all the comments here but I already have a condensed understanding of what’s going on—you keep jumping from pillar to post, even if it means you deny God exists, so that you can contrast what the Witnesses teach.

I’m going to reply this real quick and this should be my last reply on this thread and afterwards, quote me all you want but I’m unfollowing the thread for good this time.

Concerning your question, maybe you should go interview the editors of the Contemporary English Version, Good News Bible or the New English Translation Bibles and ask them why they rendered the ending of that verse, “with the blood of his own Son”
Remember the editors of those aforementioned Bible translations are not Witnesses, in fact they are your fellow Trinitarians.
The context support the view that Paul was referring to God’s Son rather than God because Romans 8:32 uses similar Greek wording which fills up for the confusion at Acts 20:28. That’s my own reply to you, I’m not responsible for whether you accept it or not, sagenaija. After all I noticed that you have no care in the world for truth so anyways I’ve dropped my two cents(1Peter 3:15) and I’m leaving the thread after this.

Again, there’s this popular saying I’m so much in love with, “Talk is cheap but actions are priceless!” so if anyone likes, call me cultist o, zombie o, brainwashed o—superior wisdom is always going to vindicate herself by her righteous works(Matthew 11:19) so all these arguments are actually fruitless on your part because I’m never ever going to let go off the most precious pearl I found in Jehovah’s organization(Proverbs 23:23) which I diligently searched for until I found it. Matthew 13:46

So I don’t want to argue further with you, leave me alone. Life is about choices, I got to make the choice to serve Jehovah my God(Joshua 24:15) while you also make choices in your own life. I do not get to infringe upon your life choices and neither do you. Good bye.

sagenaija:
Another Deceit of Jehovah's Witnesses
Since JW believe that Jesus is only an angel and deny his deity they have to twist the portions of scriptures where God is said to have paid for man's sin with his blood.
So, still engaging in their DOGMA-INFLUENCED approach to translation to render Acts 20:28 Instead of following the Greek which will result in it being worded as:
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
Acts 20:28 NIV
They render the verse as: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.
Because if they use the Greek construct of "his own blood" it will puncture their position of Jesus as Archangel Michael, they switch that part to: "the blood of his own Son".
The word "Son" is just NOT THERE in the Greek. Putting it there happens when a person or group approach God's word on the basis of their preconceived theological leanings. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses have done here.
Can MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD tell us where "Son" came from to enter into the picture here.
If a group can be so DECEITFUL and disingenuous here what else can't they twist to conform to their DOGMA?

The “Sunday” afternoon session of the “Powerful By Faith” Regional Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses is currently available for download on [url]JW.ORG[/url]


Watch out for the thrilling drama:
Daniel: A Lifetime of Faith—Part 2

AntiChristian:

This your answer is somehow illogical!
A thief can still be a good person in other ways. If he is questioned on the case of theft will he say i agree to theft but i did lots of charity at so and so places which is a lot more that i had stole?
Explain the verses quoted in the OP as it related to sexism.

Which is it that is illogical? My answer or your rebuttal to mine?

If Paul was sexist, why would he write a letter of commendation to appreciate the hard-work of at least SEVEN(7) zealous women? Romans 16:1-15
Or why would he attribute his companion’s progress in the faith to his mother and grandmother? 2Timothy 1:5, 3:15
Or why would he counsel Timothy his companion to treat older women as mothers and younger women as sisters if he didn’t value and respect women? 1Timothy 5:2

For someone who said I was deviating from topic at hand, you’re doing a darn good job at that. I think it’s high time you beg one of the mods to help you close this thread because right now you’re just clutching at straws in an attempt to save face. When I told you to hit me with your best shot initially, you think I didn’t know what I was saying? Next time you don’t call out people like that if your weight no reach.

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
Your Foundation
Your founder was said to have taken a man to court about a book the man had written about the society. When first asked in the court if he knew Greek, Mr. Russell initially said 'Yes'. When then asked to read out some Greek text in the court, he couldn't. He then finally agreed that he couldn't read Greek.
This was your foundation.
Again, on Archangel Michael
Archangel Michael is never called 'first born' in the Scripture.
Regarding Works
What you are actually doing is to add works to whatever you think Jesus did for salvation. But see what Romans 11:6 says - "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. You see, 'works' and 'grace' mean what they mean: You cannot mix them.
Other Issues
There is no letter 'J' in the Hebrew. When you guys therefore become so HUNG UP with being Jehovah's Witnesses one wonders why. Perhaps you should go more with Yahweh's Witnesses. NOT ONE TIME is Jehovah used IN THE GREEK of the New Testament. So, I wonder if your pal janosky will turn to his lexicon and help us out there. But of course you guys will still prefer your DOGMA-influenced New World Translation and will care less about the Greek. When you are boxed into a corner you then run to 'works of faith' or attack your opponent.

MaxInDHouse:

I don't know what else he wants, there's on verse that says "Jesus is the Almighty God" and there's no verse that says "Jesus is Archangel Michael" so we are all Interpreting what we read based on our understanding of the word.
Therefore the only way to resolve this is to PRESENT the WORKS of the FAITH in Jesus (Archangel Michael) or that of Jesus (Almighty God)
But it seems like our friend doesn't want that all he wants is the same fruitless arguments on texts that he has been doing with all his brethren in TRINITY!

Was it not Jesus who said that people would notice the fine works of his disciples and give glory to God? Matthew 5:16
So it’s Jesus’ words against the words of the OP then.

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
I'm amazed that your in your 'wisdom' you do not know that works in themselves do not count. Obviously you missed the import of the last two Bible verses I gave you. Go back and carefully study them.
Here, see WORKS rejected:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21‭-‬23

I’m only interested in the words highlighted. Who are the ones currently DOING God’s will today? It is of utmost importance to find this out because only those people are going to inherit everlasting life. 1John 2:17

Unfortunately, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that miraculous gifts are functional in our day(1Corinthians 13:8.) so the rest of your post should actually be directed to the pastor in your church who is performing those miracles to mislead you and your church members. Matthew 24:24

Nancy2020:
how do JW pray

Matthew 6:5-13

“Also, when you pray, do not act like the hypocrites, for they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the main streets to be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. So do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need even before you ask him. “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your Kingdom come. Let yourwill take place, as in heaven, also on earth. Give us today our bread for this day; and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’”

Take note that we do not recite the ‘Lord’s prayer’ whenever we want to pray as that would be against verse 7.
Jesus gave us a model prayer that we can use to focus our attention on important/key points to include in our prayers.


Then we also apply the following in our prayers,

John 15:16b
“No matter what you ask the Father in [Jesus’] name, he may give it to you.”


Ephesians 5:20
”Always giving thanks to our God and Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

I don’t know what you’re yapping about right now. I was literally on my own before you quoted me and I followed you bumper to bumper on this thread(I even had to ignore Emus.an to focus on you), then when you saw that you had no other rebuttal you write this nonsense and still quote me again. Next time you’ll know not to call me out like that again.


As for the highlighted, if you aren’t able to boast to others like Jesus, “Yes these ones are my brothers & sisters who are doing God’s will” as in if you don’t have a worldwide family of faith(Matthew 12:46-49, Mark 10:28-30), where there is remarkable unity and love(John 13:35, Ephesians 4:3), where everybody is currently exerting themselves in doing the will of God(Luke 13:24) then your god needs to be stoned to death since it cannot do a fringe of what the God of Jehovah’s Witnesses is doing. Micah 4:5

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
You guys get so excited about what you post that you don't even sit back to go through them carefully to see if you make sense.
You have attempted to shift the focus of this thread and I haven't even finished with all that I want to post. The fact that NONE OF YOU has touched on anything regarding the focus of the thread means that you are trying HARD to run away from the real issues.
I have shown you how the verses used by JW to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael have been twisted by the society. None of you here has proved me wrong. But you get up and excite yourselves about 'superior wisdom' or 'fruits' or the 'type of person' you are.
First, MaxinDHouse, who in another thread asked us to stick to 'only what we read in the Bible' suddenly shifted to pasting pictures of JW's 'works' and resort to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'. Maybe he feels that the works of his organisation are better proofs than the rightly divided Scripture.
I asked him if we can trust a group that uses its DOGMA to REINTERPRET the Scripture. He couldn't answer but ran away from that question.
I showed your colleague, also in that thread, who was busy posting lexicon that those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 in other portions that had THE SAME GREEK wordings. He didn't address that but equally ran away. And I said that if they can be wrong here, how can we be sure they are not wrong in other things.
So, when you guys pat yourselves on the back and claim victory of your 'wisdom' I just wonder what wisdom runs away from answering questions and addressing issues presented.
I have seen that jeering, ridicule, mockery is part of your 'wisdom'. BUT I have not seen that 'wisdom' answer any of my pointed questions directly.
I have shown here that Jehovah Witnesses are wrong in using the book of Daniel or even Jude to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael. Till now NONE of you have proved me wrong. Why? Your 'wisdom' should have been able to take those portions and show how you are right and I am not. But I haven't seen it or should I say WE (including other readers of this thread) haven't seen it. WE ONLY SEE YOU DEFLECT THE ISSUE TO SOME OTHER THINGS.
Here's some wisdom:
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29
"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed - or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:39"

OP is one of the funniest persons I’ve met on Nairaland I’ve got to admit. OP wants to ascertain the academic qualifications of the publishers of the New World Translation, yet he keeps showing us that he himself did not pass the common Wassce! How can someone remain so dense to the point that understanding definite and indefinite articles seems to be like rocket science to him.
OP we have PhD holders and professors amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses but you won’t know unless that person tells you one on one because he won’t answer it in his name, we will refer to him as a “Brother” (Matthew 23:8.). We consider our spiritual heritage to be of more importance to us than worldly qualifications. Philippians 3:7-9
Meanwhile you who wants to throw stones keeps exhibiting the traits of an undereducated person.

sagenaija:

How is my earlier claim on John 5:18 declared null and void?
If you don't understand a phrase or statement an opponent has made the right thing to do is ask for clarification.
Revelation was written after Jesus had RESURRECTED. Why was he still called a LAMB?

My point exactly! Jesus really became the Lamb of God when he was resurrected and offered the value of his sacrificial death to God in heaven(Hebrews 9:14, 24-26) in order for our sins to be forgiven(1John 1:7) and for us to have the prospect of living forever. John 3:16
So the title “Lamb” belonged to Jesus before his death(John 1:29) and after his resurrection to heaven. Revelation 5:6

This buttresses my point so well that’s why Jesus is still being called Servant even after his resurrection because that is something that will not also change! Matthew 12:18 see also Acts 3:13

You see what happens when you want to enter into argument with superior wisdom. Mr sagenaija, please please please there are still so many other questions I asked you so please attend to them quickly.

GardenOfGod:

Have you seen it now?

sagenaija:

1. The ramifications of the temptation of Jesus is wide and not what I want to go into now in this thread.
My main point again is this:
John 5:18 IS NOT a statement of the Jews. It is what the writer, under INSPIRATION has given us. So, the issue is do you believe that it was because they understood him to be making himself equal with God that they wanted to kill him?
2. Jesus had a glory before his death and resurrection. Not just after his death and resurrection. That is what he talked about in John 17:5. Jesus said "the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS". In his humanity, because he voluntarily restricted the independent use of his deity in order to fulfill the plan of salvation it was fitting for him to be called Servant. Even in the book of Revelation he is referred to as the Lamb. But we know that he is in an exalted position and state.
Did John 17:5 say that Jesus had a glory before the world was?

The Jews said and did so many things that are against the Scriptures but unfortunately for you, it’s their false testimony you would rather favour over what Jesus actually said? Jesus said that he called himself God’s Son(John 10:34-36), the Jews said he was calling himself God by saying that. So who do we believe, Jesus or the Jews?

The angels in heaven are also called sons of God(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6), Adam was called Son of God(Luke 3:38) so going by your logic, all the angels in heaven + Adam are also God since the Scriptures called them sons of God?


In fact, the same writer who under inspiration said NOBODY has seen God AT ANY TIME(John 1:18) so who were the Jews speaking with please?

As for the highlighted, I’m sorry but Acts 3:13 was written after Jesus had died and resurrected to heaven, so why was Peter still calling Jesus a Servant ?

Moreover, say we are to even agree with the highlighted, then your earlier claim on John 5:18 has been declared null and void since from what you’re saying there, Jesus was not a God on earth meaning that the Jews were wrong in their allegation.

So anyhow you want to look at it, you’re just shooting yourself in the foot.

Emusan:

Where was the rules stated by the OP that you should only face him?
But you keep canvassing with your brother on the same thread without telling him that you're only to FACE THE OP
I guess your brother is INSIDE THE OP shey

Ehn nau. If you were my brother I would freely converse with you as there won’t be rules to barricade us but you’re not so face your front and allow OP to reply me. Please stop begging for my attention and channel your energy to something else.

Emusan please let me be I’m currently facing the OP on this thread and no one else!

Emusan:

But you expect other people who didn't know you to bend to your own will.Just as your 8 men in Brooklyn (sorry New York) are misleading and became part of the same Babylon the Great (false religion)
Think, do you also think?
Did Jesus counter their accused by proofing He's not DEMON POSSESSED?
What was Jesus action when they SAID HE CLIAMED EQUALITY WITH GOD?
The problem here is that, you people never considered the instances how Jesus related to the Jews to reveal how He was the promised Messiah, God and Man.
Read your Bible not WATCHTOWER this time you'll see Jesus always countered the Jews points whenever they jam.
For instance, Jesus used Sabbath to prove that His is the LORD OVER SABBATH, something that NO HUMAN EVEN ANGEL can claim because YAHWEH is the very One who LORD OVER SABBATH.
But the Son has ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth.
Do you understand what it means to have ALL AUTHORITY?
When you will even know that the word ALMIGHTY was derived from two words "ALL" & "Mighty"
Do you learn English to that level?
No! It's only misconstrued to you because Jesus message there is so cleared to see to the blind, as in "the glory I had with you BEFORE the WORD BEGIN"
This is a clear statement that the speaker here is talking about ETERNITY and Only God lives in eternity.
I'm still looking for where God says he will give HIS glory to the Israelites in that Deuteronomy 26:19. That is the reason we do say you people can pick any verse without even know what is all about.
CEV: The Lord created all nations, but he will make you more famous than any of them, and you will receive more praise and honor. You will belong only to the Lord your God, just as he promised.
GNT: He will make you greater than any other nation that he has created, and you will bring praise and honor to his name. You will be his own people, as he promised.”
Not even your translation we read that your god says he'll give HIS GLORY TO THE ISRAELITES, so where did that idea come from
NWT: "and that he will put you high above all the other nations that he has made,+ giving you praise and fame and glory as you prove yourself a people holy to Jehovah your God,+ just as he has promised.”

MaxInDHouse:

Funny trinitarians!
If they admitted that Satan tempted Jesus then what stopped them from grasping that Satan couldn't have come to temp the Almighty God because if he did then to whom will the Almighty prove to be loyal?

It’s already a confirmed fact that Trinity does a lot of damage to the minds of people.

sagenaija:

I will be continuing my discuss so that those who will learn will learn.
I only brought in Billy Graham's issue to show that 'results' are relative.
On your point 1: Understanding of the INSPIRATION of Scripture leads to better appreciation of portions of the Bible. When Satan told Jesus "Since you are the Son of God change these stones into bread" should we believe him that he truly knew Jesus to be the Son of God? I'm using your logic here. Can we apply it in the same way you have used it in your point 1?
When the Bible gives us the reason why the Jews wanted to kill him and you now do not want to accept it, what can we say. John 5:18 IS NOT a statement of the Jews. It is what the writer has given us. The writer, under INSPIRATION is telling us the Jews understanding of Jesus's statements whi h made them want to kill him. You can either take it or leave it.
On your point 2: Deut. 26:19 does not say that God would GIVE HIS GLORY to the Israelites. Even if God were to give glory to anyone, giving glory to a person or people and having glory WITH a person are two different things.
John 17:5 on the other hand is clear; Jesus said "the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS". The fact that Jesus claimed to have glory with his Father which (like you stated God had said in Isaiah 42:8 he would share with no other) is a further pointer to the divinity of Jesus Christ. Not the opposite. Think about this!

1. Satan the Devil quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures to make a point, that’s the difference so he was actually purporting half-truths and misapplying scripture. Matthew 4:6
Thank God you said Satan tempted Jesus as Son of God, which means that if Jesus was God, then he could never have been tempted in the first place(James 1:13) but as we can see, he was!

2. Yes, Jehovah indeed glorified Jesus after his death and resurrection but is it not funny that even at that, Jesus is still being referred to as a Servant and not God? Acts 3:13(NKJV, ASV)

sagenaija:

I would have expected that "weak points" would be the easiest to face and debunk. But we know when a person is unable to face and counter sound arguments; he looks for excuses and other ways out.
You guys seem to major in ridiculing and making jest of others. Is it part of your doctrine in your organisation?
We know when people have nothing to say and run for cover. We know.
A little story for you: The evangelist who preached at the programme the late Billy Graham accepted Christ was said to have had only ONE convert that day - the late Billy Graham. But what happened later? The same Billy Graham went on to bring in millions to God. If people like you were at the venue of the evangelist program I'm sure you would have declared him a failure.
But in the years to come his success spoke.
In a discussion DappaD, FOCUS ON THE FACTS, MAN! Focus on the facts! Ridicule only belittle you.

Man I don’t even know you LOL so expecting me to bend to your will is already out of the question. Your Billy Graham was able to mislead many who loved lawlessness and wanted to believe lies(Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24), committed sexual immorality with the politicians of this world which already made him part of Babylon the Great(false religion) Revelation 17:5

I said your points were weak because:

1. You picked only one of the accusations laid against Jesus to make a point. OK the Jews also claimed Jesus had a demon(John 10:20) and that he was a rebel against Caesar(Luke 23:2) after he said they should pay taxes to Caesar(Matthew 22:21) so why should we believe them when they claimed that he was claiming to be God after he said he was the Son of God? John 10:34-36
Think!

2. Jehovah God does not share his glory as Almighty with anybody, not even his Son(Isaiah 42:8.), so misconstruing John 17:5 is already a big mistake on your part. Why? Because Jehovah said he would give glory and honour to the Israelites(Deuteronomy 26:19), does that mean the Israelites are now equal to Jehovah because of that?
Think!

Bishopkingsley:


You don't understand the cross
Moses which God told him to put a snake on the tree that who ever looks at that snake will not die when it bite them

Then God told Moses that how they will look at Jesus on the tree and those who do that will live.

So you don't understand the importance of the cross


Jesus said when am lifted up that when I will draw all men to me so the cross is what draws people to Jesus you better get one and focus on the price Jesus paid
It not must to actually have physical cross you can have the picture of the event on the cross in your heart it the same thing
Or you can have it visibly as Moses did with the serpent
Lying with the methods Jesus died with is evil and he who does that can change any other part of the Bible

So how does a straight tree/pole which stood vertically as in the times of Moses translate to two pieces of wood membered at 90° to each other? You do not see the discrepancy?

Jesus said those who will gain everlasting life will look at him nah, not the instrument of execution. John 3:15
Or are you saying that all those in the first century who didn’t physically see Jesus die will not gain everlasting life because they never saw him on the stake? Do we even need to physically see Jesus to have the prospect of everlasting life? John 20:29-31
If no, then why do we need to see the instrument of execution? Of what use is it?

Bishopkingsley:


If you can lie about the instrument used then you can equally lie about who Jesus is

Wrong context. Christ dying on a stake/pole is of importance as the scripture says no doubt(Galatians 3:13) I mean why venerate the instrument used, whether stake or cross? Is there such importance attached to it that it needs to be worshiped?
If Christ was killed with an AK-47 would you hang the image around your neck or set up a huge structure of AK-47 in your church or home or car? Now don’t even get me started when people think holding up the cross offers protection, so it was an AK-47 you’d hold that up too for protection?
All I see is just advanced idolatry committed by so many idol worshippers posing as Christians, nothing else. Exodus 20:4,5; 1Corinthians 10:14

Man’s even saw that his thread got no headway as nobody took him seriously so he has to mention Witnesses to give relevance to his thread.

sagenaija:
JW Apologists like MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD approach discussions by assuming what the other person thinks rather than focus on the points presented by the person. Interestingly even the Jews understood what the JW miss out:
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV
They knew what the Son of God meant. They knew that when Jesus called God his Father he was claiming EQUALITY WITH GOD.
How many today miss this out is interesting. John's singular motive was to prove through his writing that Jesus is superior to anyone else, including angels. He started firing his salvo from John 1:1 by declaring ahead who Jesus is - divine.
Later on Jesus was going to say:
"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
John 17:5 NIV
He had a GLORY with the Father. No creature can claim this glory.
I'll continue our discuss in the book of Hebrews in the next installment to continue to show the superiority of Jesus over ALL creation and systems.

Hello sagenaija, what you should know is that truth cannot be argued out, it will always remain one and absolute.
And again, I mind my business here on Nairaland so I don’t even know you from Adam but you’ve already quoted me in a write-up that contains weak points? Hit me with your best shot before I counter whatever you’re positing. Thanks.

GardenOfGod:

I want to start with this question. DappaD was not satisfied with the answer I provided.
He want to see the article “ho” or “ton” that appears before “theos” in John 1:1c.
Here is the answer from Janosky.
According to Janosky, there is [color]"ho Theos"[/color] in John 1:1.
DappaD question is carefully answered by his brother Janosky. Next will be MaxInDHouse question .

You don’t have to be so unashamedly obtuse. Janosky was talking about John 1:1b and not John 1:1c. You’ve still not done your assignment, kiddo.

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Nancy2020:
no matter the translation you use even if you use your perverted new world translation it won't say stake rather on a cross. The Bible is clear don't let evil men use idea to twist it for you.

Why is the instrument used in Jesus’ death of such importance to you? Did the Bible place any importance on it? If not, why do people rever it as if it has any significance?

GardenOfGod:

People are out there making a living and doing something worthwhile with their time while you sleep on your phone all day along. I gave you a simple assignment you were fumbling since.

GardenOfGod:

Hmm. I said show me where the definite article that appears before “theos” at John 1:1c, you went ahead to bring another Scripture that says something totally different.

Hebrews 1:8 (Byington Bible)
“God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign”

The above Scripture simply means that the source of Jesus’ rulership is his God. see also Revelation 3:21

It’s similar to this scripture,
“God is our refuge and strength”—Psalm 46:1
which means that the source of our refuge and strength is God.


QED.

GardenOfGod:

This guy again. So you weren’t able to do this small assignment I gave you?

For your information, there are no English indefinite articles like “a” or “an” in the ancient Hebrew or Greek Scriptures. The indefinite articles were added by all these Bible translators to give it meaning, usually it refers to a noun that is not specific. All Bible translators did this, so really you should go and hold those ones accountable for why they didn’t add “a” to John 1:1 but added it to several other Scriptures even though “a” doesn’t appear throughout the ancient Bible manuscripts. For example, there is no “a” before the Samaritan at Luke 10:33 Greek text yet all Bible translations included it to give it meaning.

Jehovah’s Witnesses can only be polytheists if we worship Jesus, sir. Paul agreed there are many gods out there, that did not make him a polytheist. 1Corinthians 8:4-6