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Image123:
People beat the living hell out of each other and tear off clothes and skin everyday. Some even give them space publicly, that's nigeria, many of the one screaming here will pass by/mind their business. Some would even wait to watch the show. Now, it's Oyedepo and everybody suddenly works in the UN, hypocrites

So that makes Oyedepo's assault right!!!!

I.e People kill all the time but why should people shout if Oyedepo or Adeboye kills?

They are really the victims because of their position in society abi?

Bigger Hypocrite!!!

Image123:
I'm not advocating rightness or wrong in slapping.

What then are you advocating? It is either right, wrong or you are not sure.  C'mon be honest with yourself.
As a Christian, are you not meant to be advocating for what is right?  Especially in a church, regardless of the country.

Image123:
You don't then come to Oyedepo's case and put standards not already in place. That's double standards.

Leadership by example!!! His position opens him up for more scrutiny from the public. How do you know their are no cases for slapping in the country? I know of a Case where a policeman was charged to slapping an individual with the case settled out of court.

Image123:
but this is a case of 25wasted pages of crying more than the bereaved. People are doing very little thinking .

25 'wasted' pages addressing issues that concerns religion in a religious thread!!!

Crying more than the 'bereaved', do you know how much the bereaved has cried?

'People are doing very little thinking', I agree with you on that aspect.

tpia@:
Una still dey for oyedepo matter?

E e pe nbe.

Pathetic!!!

You should be ashamed of yourself. 'E e pen nbe', because the bastar.d did not slap your sister/mother or aunty abi?

Your likes are the ones holding back the progress of Nigeria.

About freaking time,

Image123:
Think now dare, this is nigeria, where slap is NOT violence, at least not yet. You don't go to police station and say they slapped me, it's still laughable in nigeria. Students slap, children sLap, parents slap, policemen slap. Slap is still normal in the nigerian context. It's nigeria remember, nigeria. It's a different world here. Dstv, startimes and co is affecting many people here. Oyedepo's not making a doctrine of slapping people. The winch had guts to come all the way to his church, and to his front to say what she said. He didn't go to her house to slap her, or tell his congregation to go and be slapping witches. And he obviously wasn't slapping her to 'deliver' her. He seemed more to slap her to DARE/provoke her. He's not afraid of winch, that's the 'moral lesson' from the video. Not all these castles people are building in the air about their disgust and anger. Crying more than the bereaved. Sect of frustrated and impotent people all over.

I think it is you who ought to think deep Mr Image.

The fact that 'this is Nigeria' makes it right not to [b]adhere [/b]to basic human rights standard abi? What about the basic Christian standard set by Jesus?
That of Love, Compassion and humility. None of which was on display in that video?

How did you come to the [b]conclusion [/b]that the poor girl is a 'winch'? The [b]charlatan [/b]did not let her finish explaining herself as she was cut short and condemned already. I find it disturbing that someone like you who advocate the values and principles of Christianity find nothing wrong in slapping a girl that was not giving the opportunity to explain herself.

But hey, the slapping is justified because it is in Nigeria.  We ought to be able to acknowledge when a wrong has been perpetrated regardless of the statue or position of the perpetrator. That my friend, is part of several reasons Nigeria lacks behind  economically, politically and structurally.

Have you seen a 'winch' before?  How can you identify one? How can you deduce that one is a 'winch'

Please read the message you put under your Id and apply it. Jesus died for that girl's sins too, so who the hell is that [b]charlatan [/b]to condemn her to hell?

Chichilas:
@nimma,

Forget about what the government of Nigeria is doing. Oyedipo is a member of the church of God, he should be a reflection of what christainity is all about, I find it sad that he is an extremely materialistic individual, owning private jets and fleets of cars, what differentiates him for a politician or a drug lord.

There are so many homeless and sick people who need the help of the church, a true pastor does not need to confront a witch with a slap, having watched the video, I can only conclude that he was ashamed and humiliated by the words of the lady in question and did not know how best to react. He is just as canal as the rest of us else, he should have delivered her. He should watch TB Joshua delivering witches, then he would know that he has made a complete fool out of himself.

His university is one of the most expensive in the country, even with millions every Sunday from offering collection, they still feel the need to make their universities only for the very rich and corrupt in Nigeria. Further to the above, Nigerians are the most gullible people on earth. Considering the extreme poverty and illiteracy in the country, I am not surprised. This is a country people run to the pastor for something as simple as headache which good panadol should effective cure.

Pastors are made to look like demi gods and as a result, play on the intelligence of Nigerians in General. A church is suppose to be a place of sanctity, not a business of printing press, daily devotional books, universities, hospitals and the likes. They go to great lengths to ensure their relatives are in charge of all this businesses to ensure that it is passed to the next generation even if those relatives are as canal as wood.

Nigerians, please wake up. Go to church to serve God, not any pastor. Poverty and illiteracy is such a huge problem. Churches are empty in developed worlds because witch hunting do not exist, illnesses exist but proper health care also exist and drugs work.

The time of this pastors will come.

Excellent Post.

Their Time will come Indeed.

Niceyenuf:
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww. You are so nice. One of the nicest people I've ever met on Nairaland. Thanks 4 apologizing. I also apologize for calling u jobless. Guess I should respect your choices and your opinions. Well bishop Oyedepo is my mentor and you don't like him. That doesn't make us enemies. Cos believe or not I prayed for you once. Well, I'll be praying more now. Are u kidding? Are we frendz? You are my best internet friend. Thanks for swallowing your pride and thanks for allowing us differ and still be friends. I love you! and I mean it. God Bless!

Lol.

My name is Dare and thanks for the prayer.

Niceyenuf,

You started the insults first and now you are claiming the victim when you got a reply.

I'll swallow my Pride and apologise [/b]to you for what I said.

Friends?

I copied and pasted the text because I agree with the contents, you are free to disagree with it as you have the [b]freedom [/b]to choose what you want to believe.

But I ask you, where was the [b]freedom [/b]accorded to the poor girl before she was slapped? She was trying to explain herself but was cut down and condemned. Her human right trampled upon as though she is  [b]worthless [/b]and her [b]dignity [/b]shattered in front of thousands.

Put yourself in her shoes, you make a statement  relating to your understanding and instead of people giving you the opportunity to explain yourself, you get shouted upon and slapped. It is called  physical abuse.

As a woman I am hoping you will understand the implications of such a slap. Several women go through domestic abuse from there husbands/boyfriends and am pretty sure you will know someone whose man treats her like a [b]punching bag. I'm sure you detest it. What that Charlatan did is not different from that.

Hitting a defenceless young girl is an act of cowardice and if you cant stand up for your fellow woman, I pray you never witness a similar fate in which your dignity gets taken away from you and you cant do anything about it because the perpetrator is a Man of God.

Apologies again.

Image123:
@question, what warranted the slap was the winch's audacity. She trespassed, and any other trespasser also qualifies for a slap or more as this is christmas period,bonus. If a thieving politician comes to his pulpit and declares that he's a thief for Jesus, i guarantee dirty slap on Oyedepo's behalf.

Ha Mr Image;

Really? Oyedepo  will slap a thieving politician?

Don't be silly mister!!!

I'm really surprised you are not condemning this cowardly act, but then you are entitled to your views.

Do you support violence against people [b]accused [/b]of witchcraft?

Lol @ lesbian boy,

I actually copied and pasted it from another poster's post.

I copied it because I agree with the content.

@nycenuf

I guess your silly eyes missed the author since you can't be bothered to read it, yet you can comment on my joblessness.

Typical ignorant behaviour.

Wonders would never cease in our dear country but a melodrama bothering on criminality was recently introduced. I have never been befuddled about the Nigerian mess but the dramatic situation presented by the ever savvy, ambitious and suave businessman precipitate pastor, in the person of Pastor Oyedepo was another sore show.

Our ever vigilant and dynamic online press have remained the conscience of the nation so far, especially in these perilous times when Nigeria badly cries for a human representation of the same quality. The shame that Nigeria has become is ever manifested on daily basis and no arm of the decadent edifice has lived up to the broom in the ethical and conscience stake. Our political class remains our ever abiding albatross whilst our religious leaders actively partake in the growing shame. As someone once said, the name Nigeria has become a shame to behold.

No politician in Nigeria today is worth the salt, which is the sad truth. No political party is out to redeem the situation, which is another truth Nigerians have to learn. If there is any doubt about the latter, a trip to Lagos State where the might of the state is overbearing against the legitimate aspiration of the citizenry in the boiling issue of the Lekki Toll plaza would convince any doubting Thomas. I have the greatest respect for Pastor David Oyedepo. Not as a man of God but as a good specimen of the Nigerian breed. Here is a savvy and suave business man who knows how to exploit what he has to achieve and consecrate what he desires.

Pastor Oyedepo has built a business empire in the name of a religion. He has through good business sense and unparallel sagacity fed the gullible with the much exploited opium to achieve his material success in life. He remains the first Nigerian man of the robe to purchase a private jet. He is also the first to start the business of private universities. He is sleek and very intelligent. His world-wide business has his children manning the most viable branches overseas. Of course, I am referring to his church branches. He has ensured that even when he is no longer on the stage, the family business would remain solidly within the family confinement.

With all the firsts this suave business man has achieved, it was a surprise to watch a video detailing an unknown quality of this so-called man of God. I watched with mouth aghast! Transparency for Nigeria, in its online edition of 18th December 2011, under the headline: Pastor Oyedepo turned violent on the pulpit, showed a video containing very disturbing contents. (Vide above)



I had always felt that some pastors were too intelligent to be caught partaking in the shame of witch hunting. I had always felt that Helen Ukpabio remained the empress in this unholy game. Little did I know that even the so-called intelligent ones actively took part in this shameful debacle. It is now clear that the whole of Christendom in Nigeria is built on fallacies, extortion and hood-winking. The Helen Ukpabio league actually applies to our so-called men of God, the agents of Mormon keeping the people in perpetual bondage and slavery.

The scene was a typical revival or crusade-like environment common amongst Nigerian Pentecostals. Few girls and boys were kneeling down on the stage in front of Pastor Oyedepo surrounded by his army of body guards and lieutenants. The video started with a girl who claimed to have come from Imo State. The video went as follows:

    Pastor: You have been there for how long? (Question apparently in reference to membership of witchcraft).

    Girl: I am not a witch. I am a witch for Jesus. My own witch is for Jesus.

    Pastor: (Dumbfounded) you are what?!

    Girl: I am not a witch. I am a witch for Jesus. My own witch is for Jesus.

    Pastor: (Shaking with uncontrolled disbelief and anger) You are a foul devil. Do you know whom you are talking to? Foul devil (this was followed by a very hot slap!!)

    Pastor (continued): Where are you from?

    Girl: I am from Imo State. I am not a witch. I am a witch for Jesus.

    Pastor: Jesus has no witches. You are a devil. You are not set for deliverance and you are free to go to hell.

    Pastor moved on to another girl:

    Pastor: When did you get in?

    Girl 2: I am not a witch but I used to dream that I was with them.

    Pastor: Every one of you on this front that speaks a lie, you are cut down. Cut down…

Apart from the comical nature of the whole scenario, which in the words of the late Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, became a “rofo-rofo” argument – “I no be witch, you be witch!” the serious aspect calls for deep introspection. The definitive stance of Nigerian Pentecostalism in ensuring that the congregation admits to a label in order to facilitate the superiority and the power of the clergy calls for a deep review. The serious social implication of being labelled a witch is unimaginable. The stigma is one that pervades every aspect of the victim’s existence, leading to social and economic stigmatization and rejection, deteriorating quality of life, unimaginable vulnerabilities, including the possibility of being killed by a befuddled but outraged society. I was thinking that Pastor David Oyedepo was too suave and sophisticated to be caught in this age-old cheap Christianity stuff, albeit Helen Ukpabio style. Here again, I was proven wrong.

The proprietary or otherwise of ensuring that witches on earth are eliminated for Jesus is beyond me as I am not and has never been a student of theology. Nevertheless, daily knowledge of the Bible and common sense indicates that the whole purpose of Jesus mission on earth was to preach the good news based on love and forgiveness. He did not say based on violence, especially assault. Also, I vividly remember a part of the Holy Bible that states thus: “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged” (Matthew 7:1 and Luke 6:37). What came out of the brief video was a case of criminal assault on the part of Pastor David Oyedepo.

Here was a poor defenceless girl, who was obviously trying to pass a message that was lost in the ambiguities of semantics to a pastor who was either too impatient or too naive to understand what she was trying to say. What she got in return was an unprovoked assault.

The question is must everyone who kneels down in front of a pastor admits to being a witch even if he/she is convinced that she is not? What message was the poor girl trying to pass to the ignorant pastor? Would it have served a better purpose if the pastor had asked the girl for an explanation of what she meant by her unusual statement? Why was the poor girl assaulted by the pastor? Is this case for the Nigerian Police to look into? Every human being has the fundamental right to freedom of religious practice and expression. If it must be stressed very hard here, witchcraft inclusive (if there was ever anything of such). The poor girl from Imo State defiantly stood her ground despite the intimidating presence of Pastor Oyedepo and his unprovoked assault. The story would perhaps have been different if she had admitted to being a witch who meets with colleagues at a defined coven.

Then Pastor Oyedepo would have been happy and the mesmerized congregation would have erupted with abundant shouts of Halleluyah. But the girl from Imo was determined to spoil the show for our garrulous pastor and she got what she did not bargained for, a very hot slap! Even a member of Pastor Oyedepo’s staff was aghast. Please watch the video and see the gentleman’s reaction. His jaw dropped open when the pastor was putting up the show of shame – slapping the poor little girl.

Instances as the type demonstrated by Pastor Oyedepo, would in other climes lead to a very urgent government regulation of the conduct and proceedings of so-called faith revivals or crusades. It would also have led to instant arrest and prosecution of this ignorant pastor. The essence of ensuring that no citizen is harassed or molested in the expression of faith or religious belief would be rigorously pursued and protected. This, unfortunately, is not the case with Nigeria. Nigerian pastors behave as if they are Gods or something very close. They behave as if they are above the law. They show contempt and disrespect to their congregation. The only affection is for the currency that rolls out of the congregation pockets. The Nigerian populace, on its part, has shown an alarming tolerance and unbelievable stupidity in the face of this perfidy. We have continued to clap where we should have frowned at the frivolousness and debased behaviour of the impostors who have mortgaged our collective spirituality.

Pastor David Oyedepo needs to be told in clear terms that he went beyond the confines of civilized behaviour and the etiquettes required of someone occupying his type of office. If there was something he shamelessly committed in that barbaric piece, it was nothing but assault. The poor girl from Imo State deserves an unreserved apology from the powerful and rich Pastor David Oyedepo. Again, I anxiously await the response of the Nigerian community to this video of shame. I await, most especially, the response of our extensive Human Rights community and the legion of non-governmental organisations committed to protecting the rights of Nigerian females. Here is a poor and defenceless girl who was assaulted by a rich and powerful pastor. Her case calls for urgent support to pass home the message of civility even in the conduct of religious programmes. It is either Pastor Oyedepo apologises or is taken to court. There seems to be no other option.

The truth needs to be told that Nigerian Pastors are not Gods. They are mere mortals plainly benefitting from the stupidity of the mesmerized populace. They are charlatans and sycophants who are benefitting immensely from the ignorance of the masses. While we stupidly follow some smart crooks wearing the toga of pastors, the larger world has left us behind, making stupendous progress in the field of science and technology. We boast of the highest number of churches per streets in the world, our social and moral fabrics remain in tatters. Our crime record is monumental while social instability and insecurity remain our abiding bed fellows. The Nigerian socio-political terrace remains a mess, our political leadership tottering from unforgivable indecision to unbelievable corruption whilst promulgation of anti-people policies remains the order of the day. The name Nigerian is not an enamoured piece.

The constitutional role of the Nigeria Police Force comes into play in this debased scenario. A moribund organization mired in endemic corruption and stagnated by lack of efficiency and good will. Naturally, I expected the police to have swung into action unprompted. Video evidences are credible evidences as have been demonstrated in more civilized countries. No doubt, the Nigeria Police do not see anything wrong in the video under discourse. Even if something had been wrong, the personality involved would have created a hindrance. The Nigeria Police Force needs to remove itself from its self-imposed shackles and be more responsive to its responsibilities. A Nigerian citizen has just been assaulted and urgent action is required.

While boiling with indignation on the injustices inherent in this video of shame, once again, from a member of the discredited Nigerian Pentecostal fold, I hasten to add that ultimate justice is in the hands of God, and of course, in that of the Nigerian people. We shall make of our country and of our society whatever we desired it to be[b]. Over to fellow Nigerians![/b]

Dr Olusegun Fakoya

vescucci:
Seeing as the average age of the posters on this thread is probably above 30. It worries me that there should be so much ado about the poster of the year. Multiple ids, rigging, campaigning, slurring, manipulation, etc haba. Let's er try to be grown up and stuff.

Ha Ha Ha,

It reminds me of the past Nigerian Election.

I think there is more to it though, that's why I always align religion with politics. Not much difference, same corruption and manipulation all in the name of serving the people.

Anyway, such is the nature of the[i] homo-sapiens[/i].

Beautymc:
Don't mind them, they are the accusers of brethren. They don't have work. There is nothing different btw them and that witch. Let them go to Bishop Oyedepo and say they are witch, he will still slap them and go free. They are free to talk rubbish online.

As you are a woman, you are a disgrace to your fellow women. I'm sure you must have come across females who are victims of abuse, I wonder what you say to them.

I hope one day this Charlatan will accuse you of being a witch, and rather than give you the chance to explain yourself, I hope he slaps the living hell out of you.

taigee:
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This forum is supposed to be a religious forum, but it is dominated by [b]irrational [/b]critics who just feel like making the loudest noise on the free net.
Hypocrites!

Why don't you explain the [b]rationality [/b]behind that 'slap'?

Bigger Hypocrite!!!

Threats Threats Threats!!!!!

These Morons are meant to be the followers of Christ?

"SMALL MINDS DISCUSS PEOPLE AND EVENTS", yet your ignorant mind joined the discussion.

Oyedepo is not God, he is a [b]bully [/b]and a [b]charlatan [/b]that feeds fear into the pitiable minds of his followers.

Only [b]Cowards [/b]hit defenceless women, and if I hit a woman too, I am a coward.

'do you know who you are talking to'.

Helpee,

Dude,

megalomania; is a psycho-pathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence. 'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs'.

Not

megalodrama;

Melodrama.

Joagbaje:
I should ask you same question. There's no reference to female gender in angelic activities. Female is only require in reproduction. All the angels are "he,him in bible reference.

It's demons who have female .

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Hilarious.

Women, you guys don suffer.

From pastors slapping you to this.

Silly Chapel Members,

You are not serving God, you are all serving David Oyedepo the Charlatan.
You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for submitting your brains to a fellow human being, who like you, will die at some point and rot 6ft under.

Abi the Almighty [/b]Oyedepo is immune to death?

Some Idio.t said 'enough of the [b]Pastoral bashing', how about enough of these Charlatans abusing their positions. Why don't you go to the Politics section and say enough of the politicians bashing? When you abuse your position you leave yourself open to criticism.

You morons have been going to Oyedepo's business centres to receive your weekly doses of Fear, that seem to have frozen your mental capabilities to question an obvious wrong that is perpetrated in the name of God.

What is the difference between you mentally lazy morons and the Boko-haramists? You all  still justify violence against people in the name of God

Oyedepo is not God, he is a charlatan [/b]and a [b]bully.

Another idio.t said it is just [/b]a slap, yet if a Nigerian police slaps a member of your family you will be looking through your contacts to get the next powerful 'big man' in your family to punish that policeman.

Why don't I slap your Mother/Sister/Aunty, I hope you'll tell me its [b]'only' a slap.

He degraded that poor girl and the bastards in the congregation cheered the Oga Bastar.d.

Have they finalised how much the toll will cost drivers passing through?

Just curious!!!

Gadols:
Dr David oyedepo is my prophet. I dont worship him in any capacity but I celebrate him.
I believe in his ministry. I share in His vision.

He has a liberation mandate and that mandate is speaking today.

Jesus is Lord

Hello Ma,

Do you mind telling us that liberation Mandate and how it is 'speaking' today?

Thank you

C_Ronaldo:
@dare2think

Please don't pity my generation, my children are already following the same path and may they never depart from the way of the lord that has done so marvelously for their father. For your information, as papa flies around the world to the glory of God, many of us his children also fly all over the world without any stress,

Man, I can tell you if this is foolishness, then nothing can be better than being a fool.

Ha Ha Ha

I respect your decision and right to lead your family in foolishness.

Goodluck.

C_Ronaldo:
My sincere prayer is for all my children and generation unborn to follow this foolishness because I can tell you, it pays to be a fool.

I hope your prayers hit the brick-wall.

You want your innocent generation to suffer from your 'foolishness' while Papa and his Family fly around in their Jets.

You take brain problems into a whole new level.

Your right though, You are indeed foolish.

bankylan:
@ Sagamite, I am on leave, and that is why I have time to address someone like you. One thing I want you to know is that, there are thousands who are more educated than you, richer than you by all standards, and more enlightened than you that are workers and worshipers in Winner's chapel. Why do you think they chose to serve God in this church?
In my own church, I see millionaires, and CEOs, the 'haves and the have not' serving God fervently. To talk about myself, I have a B.SC degree, and MBA degree, I work in Lagos, married with a kid. I currently consult for big organizations, and I serve in the house of God, and I am very comfortable with my job, So, you can't in any way define me as someone who is not liberated financially or socially.
I don't know your level of education, but I am sure that you can't be that educated to justify an attack on the man of God. Maybe, you are not a xtian, but if you are, then I am sure you are still not born again. If you claim to be born again, them maybe it is a case of mental disorder as no sane real xtian will attack the man of God verbally.
    I have offered my advice, if you and your likes will not desist, then-be prepared for what to befall you.

With all that education and you still sound so ignorant. Please go and ask for a refund.

Your Man of God is a Charlatan. Your ignorant mind and silly threat deserve a slap from that coward you call man of God Fraud.

@Stagger

Egbon siddon there,

Me I just received an E-mail from the Chinese Government confirming that my contract tender of $1.7 billion has just been approved.!!!!

Please note, yours na still offer, mine has been approved!!!!

My people, lets pop champoooo!!!!

Myjoe,

Nice one dude, you got that on point.

Classic US vs THEM syndrome.

A cult symptom due to the disease caused by the building of a personality cult by this Fraudster.

Even when he kills, they'll still sing his praises.

The human mind is the best consumer.

Some people should not be allowed to procreate, they will multiply their hereditary  stupidity and further drag Nigeria backward. As if the country is still not suffering from oppression, with corruption and poverty rife, we still have surplus Moroni.c minds to add to the regression.

A charlatan slaps an innocent girl, they applaud him. Why don't you morons burn her instead?

Last time I checked, this is a free forum where people can write their opinions, if you want exclusivity tell your charlatans to build a bigoted forum for your ignorant ass.es.

Oyedepo is a fraud and a bully who is a mere mortal that will die someday like any other person.

Why can't oyedepo slap corruption away from nigeria?
Why can't he slap poverty from Nigeria ?
Why can't he slap boko haram from Nigeria?


No he can't, he is no God, just an opportunist.

tpia@:
The girl herself has gotten sense but her supporters are still screamnig themselves hoarse.

When a member of her coven handles you its this same oyedepo you'll call on in fright.

Though some witches are also on the thread sha.

Many of them sef.

Tpia@

How far with the prostitution thingy ?

Just curious dude, do you support violence against  people and vulnerable children accused of witch-craft? Some of them still get burnt alive in some parts of Africa.

Oyedepo is not God.

He is a [b]bully [/b]and a [b]charlatan [/b]whose bones and flesh would rot with [b]maggots [/b]just like every other human.

crusufixo:
Well, what can I say. All i know is that only God can judge all these pastors, reverend fathers,venerables, and the rest of them, It is not for us to judge. Left for me, the most important thing is building a strong relationship between yourself and God.

When someone accuses your family member of being a witch and slaps or burns her alive, I hope you'll tell the police to leave it for God to Judge.

Funny people.

Shokoloko:
please while you are lambasting a pastor; a human that is prone to mistakes, please remember that there is an ex-governor called Yerima that is violating a 13 year old girl every day in his house, using her to practice intimate positions he has learnt in his 55 years.
please let us stop the continuous violation of that girl

Make your mind up!!!!!

Looks more like a crying contest.