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omoola007:
I guess we didn't believe that Ribadu was ready, and we still have scars from Buhari's first crack at being president . We forgave him but we haven't forgotten.

The souls of many killed came back to hunt him.

Pray that GEJ can guide us to a better place in spite of the PDP, He was the better candidate , 60% of us thought so in the freest and fairest election held on Nigerian soil to date

You are kidding me. "Pray that GEJ wld guide us to a better place in spite of PDP",  Don't you think that's very naive on the part of Nigerians? As long as he is a party member of PDP he would not carry us anywhere. Didn't anyone think of that? 12yrs of PDP and we still want more, i am amazed. I guess we really are not suffering then, i should come back home.

P.S the free and fairest election in Nigeria to date is the MKO election. Saw some videos of mass election malpractice yesterday. So it cannot be the free and fairest.

i need to understand, i thot nigerians every where said they where tired of suffering? i am wondering why i see celebrations over pdp winning presidential elections or am i missing something.

Papido:
I am aware that it is a hard thing to convince people whose minds are already made up on a subject. And this is why it took me so long to interject. However, i try to be as objective as possible. Ezego said ''you have confirmed that your pastor is a fund manger with no beneficiaries but himself''. No entrepreneur benefits himself alone. In solving others' problems lies your own wealth. except for ritualists and corrupt politicians, can you point out one rich man who did not solve someone else's problems? Ezego also asked, ''why can't all you ignorant people pool alll your resources together and do some business and share the dividends equally amongst yourself rather than giving this greedy pastor.'' I will refer you to Robert Kiyosaki's book, THE CASHFLOW QUADRANT. There you will learn that all persons fall under 4 categories. most are employees and only a few have the inborn capacity to birth and operate a business succesfully. America is succesful today on the platform of the private sector operators. Oyedepo employs tens of thousands so am not just one of a lucky 'few'. If Ezego can employ 1000 people, you would have contributed immensely in reducing unemployment in our land.

Dare2think also gave the impression that it's only pastors who are supposed to help the poor when he wrote, ''There should be no poor person in is vicinity if he has money to get get a jet''. i beg to differ on this. I think helping the poor is the collective responsibility of all of us in the society. besides, anyone with an economic sense will tell you that sharing money for free on the streets does more evil than good. A practical example is Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe where the president seized land from the enterprising whites and distributed them to his indolent citizens. The economy collapsed and he went into printing more money. We all know the outcome today. The law of economics forbid this. You can do more for the poor by helping him to learn feed than by giving him handouts. This is without prejudice to the need to come to the rescue of the poor who are desperately in need of urgent intervention.

[b]Dare2think also questioned the global coverage of Oyedepo. Mind you i said ''Christianity globally''. The christian world consist of only about 1 billion people (out of the 6 billion human population). There is hardly any UK citizen who deos not know Ashimolowo. Oyedepo has visited that church in UK many times and thereby became known to many British people. He also has churches in 45 African countries and in most of these countries, he is welcomed on the tarmac by their respective presidents. In the USA, most of the pentecostal leaders their have visited Canaanland and i saw them with my own eyes (Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin (I didn’t see Hagin but I saw the picture), Myles Munroe etc).
With respect to tithing, there is no christian who should not know that tithing is perfectly scriptural and should be paid to churches. It is an institution that dates back to Abrahamic days and was endorsed by Jesus. So it is not an issue of debate. However, I do not support the abuse of this ordinance. when pastors misuse this privilege, they cannot go scot free. They have a God to answer to.
Permit me to add that Jesus did His best while on earth but even He did not eradicate poverty. The poor will always be around us and we all must do the best we can the way we can and leave the rest for others. If i say more on the details of my ''anger'' at some of Oyedepo's policies, you will understand that i am objective indeed but I think I should look at the big picture and see the good he is doing rather than his methods of doing them which may not be acceptable to everyone.[/b]
I am happy to note that no one in the forum is opposed to the idea of using some of the jets for for commercial purposes in order to offset the maintenance costs. I take this as a concession on the part of those arguing against multiple jets.

This is what ignorance and poverty causes. The highlighted in bold. Papido is this what your pastor tells you, that a lot of people know him in UK? Even i a Nigerian do not know who the hell Ashimolowo is and i lived in the Uk for a very long time before moving to canada, then you think say Oyibo man go sabi the guy.

Do you have an idea how much it cost to own a private jet. Do you know how much you pay for flying it or how much you pay for keeping it in a hanger at the airport or how much it costs to maintain one.  Dont be misguided and open your eyes.

And like someone asked earlier, what business was he doing before he started his church?

steve4life:
This is good news, you can shed tears if you want to and say all kinds but you can't stop God from blessing His own. The gospel of Christ is expanding

I advice you go there and see what God is doing than for you to bring God's curses upon your lives with your mouth and your words.

Am so sure your lives will be 100% better if the Spirit of Christ at work in you than the spirit of your father the devil.

Am glad to let you know that the fifth is coming and so on until the gospel of Christ has taken over the whole world.

There are some classes of men of God you don't even talk against them, Bishop David Oyedepo is one of them. You don't know the secret of his prosperity until you know his heart beat for God. How many of you love God the way he does and you open your mouth and say all sorts.

I think this is the funniest I have read so far. So he needs a private jet to spread the news to all corners of the earth or rather he needs a private jet to replicate what the old missions did. When the catholics, anglicans, methodists, and lutherans where spreading the gospel, i wonder how many private jets they bought. When the disciples were spreading the gospel they must have bought over a hundred private jets foor chirsitianity to have gotten that wide spread. For your information the gospel has gotten to all corners of this earth so i do not know what gospel your pastor is spreading. And i believe we have technology that allows you sit in your country and spread the news.

O! and i noticed you have called people who are objective the children of the devil, that's amazing, for someone who claims to be a member of God's family. If that is what you learn at winners, i am really sorry for you.

And i said my informant wasnt affected but i had friends who were sacked from adeola hopewell branch in vi in lagos. they were in operations.

My informant still has a job. But i also know someone who was sacked at their former head office.

WTH!!!! Of course they have professional staff. It was nationwide. You can find out this info for yourself, I leave all the way in canada, i do not have all the info to the last.

I have the info from inside of PHB, people who were affected, so my info is very concrete. PHB has about 4 coys that outsource for them and one is associated with the present MD. So maybe thats the one you work for, as i hear no one from that coy was affected.

Not sure but i gather its the same as the ones used by UBA.

Amazing. Women want to take over everything, if you guys have actually sat down to understand the motive behind her church, it is simply the liberalization of women. Because for her, God has always put men before women and she is saying it should not be so.

Before jumping to conclusion i think questions should be asked. And believe it or not, its not every time people speak about others because they ae jealous. In this present age we have what we call freedom of speech, so if the cousin has spoken about Jesus during her break time to other employees and they have not taken offense to that, then there is nothing wrong with that but on the other hand if she has done so during work hours or it is against the company's policy to do so, then she got what she deserved. After all the bible tells us to give to Caesar what belongs to him and to God what belongs to him.

I would also like to fault a statement that its only atheist that are rich, i know lots of Christians and Muslims that are also on the forbes richest men in the world. If people decide to follow or believe in a religion I do not think it is right to dissuade them from doing so especially if you do not have a better alternative for them. We live in a free society and anyone is allowed to join whatever association that makes him/her feel good. Any enlightened person should know that.

P.S I also wonder what the plenty noise about oprah's show is about, never been able to sit and watch it, but i would not stop anyone from watching it as long as you enjoy, continue watching.

They are outsourced.

confirmed, 1600 contract staff.

@Evil Brain; Is it possible to play your downloaded games from an external HDD with Fat format?

Reports reaching me says that Bank PHB just laid off 1600 contract staff of the bank. I thought the Nigerian banking crisis was over but apparently it seems not to be so. I pity these people who have to hit the labor market again, especially in these hard times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M_lwAEgUYU&feature=grec_index

This being read from a time warner book, so i guess he must have paid Time Warner to publish this also.

I think this is a very dumb topic, no offense meant though. We keep comparing Naija to developed countries like the UK, US and Canada what about other countries, at least i have been to a couple of countries where i was not allowed to use my phone in the banking hall. We seem to forget the kind of people we are (how lousy we can get). How many banks in these developed countries do you see the teller areas uncovered but i know in Naija all banks have removed the teller area covering for a long while now. Why is no one complaining about that, but when Naija says please do not use your mobile phones in the bank, then we remember that Naija is backwards. Maybe after you have experienced being robbed after you leave a bank you will begin to appreciate why they ask you not to use your phones. And in between i think you are told "do not to use your mobile phone in the banking halls" and not "switch off your mobile phone".

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=539038.msg7041965#msg7041965 date=1288381976]^^^ . . . And what do you want know about what rhino believe? Ok to set the record straight
am in a transition, been there done that, the game is droppings.
FYI i believe in GOD(the one that creates the universe).
But organise religion No thanks.
Happy now? Back to the main issue. . . . .
Present your facts on why will God commit suicide. . . .[/quote]That's a start. Well for me to present my facts its going to have to be interactive. You can add me on ugbulie@yahoo.com and then we can talk better there.

I have a lot i could share with you.

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=539038.msg7036686#msg7036686 date=1288332407]^^ lets assume Darwins is wrong in his theory does that validate the genuiness of christianity? ? If yes present your facts. We have ten of thousand of religion/gods have you explore all to come to the conclusion that christianity in the only true religion. Or it is that because you were told several times since from your childhood.
Lets assume your were to be born in afganistan by now you will either be in tora bora or gitmo under the captivity of US forces. No?

This is the opportuinity for you to correct the OP's perception about your religion and you are trying to derail the thread by shifting the goal post in the middle of the game.

For those that says it was a willing sacrifice how can you explain Jesus crying out loud with intent regret that his god has forseken him
"my my god why have thy forseken me"
is that anything else you people are not telling us??

. . . Again the same person that willingly summit his life went ahead to beg his god not to allow him be crucify on the cross. I find this absurd.[/quote]To be honest with you Rhino, i really didn't understand most of what you wrote but in response to part i understood, go back and read what i wrote. I was not always a christian, it is the search of knowledge and truth that eventually brought me to Christianity. if you have any other religion you would like to discuss about, bring it up and then maybe, just maybe then you will see i have done my home work well.

I do not understand what you mean by derailing, the OP asked a question and i responded with an answer. If you think i have not responded appropriately, please let me know where you have problems with what i have said and i would clarify further.

shoopsy:
onstelly,jusRadical,Exponental,Exponental,daylae and

everyone who believed Jesus came to die for your sins.This is

Hilarious.

first and foremost, I want you to quote that same john 3:16 and

see how you christians have used and interpolated an

unbefitting word for God, for God so love the world that he

sent his only BEGOTTEN SON that whosoever, Now that

word Begotten means :

-----generated by procreation (procreation means the

sexual activity of conceiving and bearing offspring

------Make children

-----(esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).


which means if God had begotten a son, shouldn't we even have an idea how God should looks like by now ? at least a son has to take the resemblance of his father? And in turn Mary will eventually be the wife of the God? Some of you end up saying

Jesus is God .i.e God came in form of a man and died for your

sins, this is Absurd,can't you christians read and understand

your bible very well?, Does it mean God has beards like the

jesus we see on rosaries and statues? AND THEY WILL SAY , THIS IS BEYOND HUMAN REASONING.THERE ARE SOMETHINGS YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND.IF THERE ARE SOMETHING YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THEN IT MEANS GOD ISN'T FAIR AND WE ARE NOT TO BE RECUSED BECAUSE OF SINS COMMITED, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME?The same Jesus whom you call SAME AS God cried on the cross saying " , why art thou forsaken

me", If he knew he came to die and dying for your sins was his

basic mission, why would he ask God to turn the cup of death

over him, ? and if he is the God that came down, it means God

crucified himself ?, wait wait wait! this is what you christians

insinuate about God himself coming down in form of Jesus , a

man and died on the cross. I say to you Christians, Jesus is

being born miraculously doesn't give you the right to say God

Begets a son , the "only Begotten son" so you speak.God had

tons and tons of his predecessors whom he called His Son e.g

David and many others.Jesus is a prophet just like other

prophets like before him e.g moses, They all came to pass a

message which God has ordained to mankind, what does God need a son for? aren't you his son? OK, JESUS IS DIFFERENT, yes i agree because his birth was miraculous.TRUE

I want a christian or any of you to quote a verse where Jesus

himself said "I'm God" or where he said "worship me",

every miracle he ever did was by God's permission because he

said John 8:28
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of

man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I DO NOTHING

of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these

things.

Every miracle he made was by the grace of God indicating he

had a supreme ruler, By the way , how can you be the same

with what you created, ? if you create a robot,even a clone of

yourself, it can never be like you , for God to create

something out of nothing , it has already declared his

supremacy over all things, anything whatsoever, He only needs

to say " Be "and it is. just like he created ADAM, reason with me, Adam's creation was astonishing and miraculous also because he was created from dust, Right? why can't you say he's also a begotten son of God? oh because a woman wasn't in the equation right? you're guys need to have a re-think.

I want a christian to tell me a verse where Jesus himself said he

has come to die, sacrifice himself, lay his life down for the sins

of mankind, ? even when the same bible said
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the

iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of

the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him,

and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Meaning whatever sin you commit , even your father

(biological, cannot bear your sin and you shall not be

responsible for whatever sin your father commits.

See you're all being programmed right from childhood when we were all still young, reading my book of bible story, You go to church, your pastors tells you to open a verse and you read and he preaches and you go back home and relax for the next sunday for the same cycle of programming.Always following what your pastor, reverend says , are they not like you ? READ YOUR BIBLE AND TEACH THEM ALSO, ENLIGHTEN THEM, TELL THEM WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW , ARGUE WITH THEM WHERE NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL OF BEING MISLEAD COS THEY ARE ALSO HUMANS, A friend of mine told me that when i read the bible , i should read it in spirit but i shouldn't always have to seek for understanding, Imagine, if the book wasn't to be understood, then why were you sent the book and even it has to be translated to your dialect so you won't be in any state of confusion, I urge christians to read the bible and read other books even before and after the bible, seek for knowledge rather than waiting for the holy spirit to make you speak in tongues or inspire you , Is it not because you read in spirit you've failed to see many contradictions in the bible.Too much, i was stunned like gosh this can never be the book of God, Incests of the highest order, if you're interested i have tons of verses about contradictions and various types of logical discussion which could make you reason on the concept of overrating Jesus christ and calling him what he's not and he himself doesn't claim to be. Jesus christ has become a figure of mockery among christians , you can call Jesus any how, attribute anything to him, make all sorts of ridicule about it, Last week i saw a picture of Jesus christ typing a laptop on facebook, i know you must have seen that also, even several videos, here are few contradictions/errors in the bible for you to sleep on,

God is tired and rests

"In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." [Ex 31:17]

God is never tired and never rests
"The everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary." [Is 40:28]

Gen 3:8 - "They heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden."

Let's also add the next verse to strengthen the critics case: "But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
How could one hide from God? Why does God need to ask this question?


REGRETFUL GOD

(Genesis 6:6)
"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the
earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

SMELLS SWEET FLAVOUR
(Genesis 8:21)
"And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in
his heart . . ."

Contact me so we can discuss me or add me on the messenger shoopsy4fun@yahoo.com and hey don\t forget to show me the verses i request for.

Are these the only ones you could find , maybe you should add me and i would give you more and then teach you also how to speak Hebrew and then you read these same verses from a Hebrew bible and then maybe you will see the bigger picture then,

ROSSIKE:
Dauchman said:

Sometimes I wonder if you christians think you're dealing with idiots. I just stated there was ZERO evidence for Jesus' existence, and instead of YOU to PROVIDE this evidence, you brag your way through the poser, insisting there is such evidence and asking ME to search for it.

Bros, I have searched. There is none that couldn't easily have been DREAMT UP by someone, as all were claims made several decades after the alleged life of ''Jesus''.

Do you realise the original gospels had an anonymous author? No one actually knows who wrote them. It was only decades after their 'discovery' that each book was attributed to ''Mark'', ''Luke'', ''John'' etc etc. No one knows for sure who these people are, or if they actually ever existed.

In sheer terms of numbers of devotees, Buddha is probably just as popular as ''Jesus''. Do you know the population of China? And this ''our god is more popular than other gods so he must be true'' is a false argument utterly bereft of legitimacy. The ONLY reason christianity (and islam) are so commonly practiced today is that their inventors used THE SWORD to coerce populations across the world, in bloody crusades and jihads. In places like Nigeria, the British who seized the country, cornered the resources and diverted them to themselves and their new 'native'western-educated elite. To join this elite, to access this new economy, one HAD to attend a western type school, in every case run by church missionaries, where conversion to christianity was a pre-requisite for education. So it was due to economic coercion and force that people across the world joined those two faiths. It is the reason YOU are a christian today, and not by any ''special blessing from heaven'' or whatever stuff they've drummed into your head.

By the way, there was a time Egyptian gods Horus and his father Osiris were known as ''God the son'' and ''God the father'', respectively around the world. So popularity means nothing.

We can barely find our way out of our grain of dust we call earth to the next grain of dust, and you're wondering why we have not found intelligent life in the universe? That's like a man who lacks the means to exit his own village claiming there are no people in Australia, America or China because he hasn't seen any.



Here's one translation that went awry in the bible. The original term used for ''God'' or ''the Lord'' was Elohim, ie ''the gods''. The Jews were a polytheistic people and most of their descriptions of what ''God'' did were actually referring to what ''the gods'' did. Only later after they became monotheistic did the rendition of those stories and their translation become references to ''God''. So there is an awful lot you're not being told by the priests, bishops, pastors and cardinals after your mind and your pocket.

I guess you have not fully explored the power of the internet. Go online and google about Jesus and do not look for something written by a Christian. There are many sites out there by atheists who have done various research to disprove the existence of Christ.

And i do not know why you keep referring to the gnostic gospels every time you try to disprove the gospels.

And where do you get your statistics that in terms of popularity that Buddhism is close to Christianity, do some proper research. If i give you easy links to find this like i said before you will not value it, so do it yourself like i did many years ago. Can you draw the world map and show me the spots where Buddhism is practiced and where Christianity is practiced. Besides you talk of the Egyptian gods, now i pose a question in what part of the world were they popular stories? You still miss the point my friend, those stories have failed to stand the test of time. We only read about them in history books. Besides its not only in the Egyptian mythology that we have gods with similar stories as that of the Christians, so who is to say that the stories of the other gods weren't fabricated to destroy the credence of Christianity.


Elohim is a plural formation of eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Northwest Semitic noun il. It is the usual word for "God" in the Hebrew Bible, referring with singular verbs both to the one God of Israel, and also in a few examples to other singular pagan deities. With plural verbs the word is also used as a true plural with the meaning "gods".
The singular forms eloah and el are used as proper names or as generics, in which case they are interchangeable with elohim. Elohim singular is to be distinguished from elohim plural.

Dude do some more research on this, before you say things. If you do not get the translation right then you will always get the meaning wrong and get things all mixed up.

Also unanswered question,  Do you believe that the intricate complexity of this universe was created by an explosion, that DNA was an error, that the beauty of this existence was formed as a result of an explosion. Look deeply my dear friend, even scientists are beginning to see the loop holes in the big bang theory, Charles Darwin theory on evolution and a host of other theories.


I have never asked, what exactly do you believe in, what is your belief on the origin of man and the universe, maybe that way I and other fellow members of the group would better understand you.

ROSSIKE:
Dauchman said:

Get this: There is NO evidence for the existence of a ''Jesus Christ'' if we mean a man who was born by a virgin, and was the son of God who performed miracles etc. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RECORD of this person in ANY independent document contemporary to the alleged time of his existence. If you have any, I challenge you here and now to provide it. In addition, none of the ''gospels'' were written earlier than 60 years AFTER the alleged ascension of ''Jesus'' into ''heaven''.

By the way, if you look at the ascension story, it really is the height of tomfoolery isn't it? We are supposed to accept that a flesh and blood person rose up before onlookers and ascended up into heaven. Where is heaven? Is it up in the sky? Is it a physical location? Some sort of planet Has the Vatican commisioned NASA to try and locate this place? My understanding of heaven, and the understanding of African and other pre-christian religions is that it is a spiritual  environment and not a physical location, so one would have to shed their physical body first, or ''die'', in order to enter ''heaven''. The christ ascension story makes a complete mockery of the concept of human/soul transcendence.

There you go again, you are totally wrong because there is. This goes to show that you have done very little research. I implore thee to dig further and see it all written in black and white. If i give it to you you would just write a lot of rubbish here so i task you to do like i did and research and get materials for yourself. There was a man called Jesus who lived 2000years ago and said things to imply he was the same with God and got the Jews really pissed off that they had him crucified.

You ever wondered how come this particular story of Jesus Christ has grown so much and the stories of lesser gods have fallen by the way side, we call them legend or myth by the way. There have been other great spiritual leaders who have lived on this planet like Buddha but his story has not grown like the story of Jesus Christ.

But meanwhile you didn't answer my own question. When you are able to answer that then we can move and just for the sake of clarity let me ask you again (Why have we not found life on other planets within our own solar system). If the big bang was able to create life on earth, why not on other planets. Start thinking my dear friend there are greater powers at work here. Have you ever read Darwin theory on evolution, do you really think we started as apes.

I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of flaws in the stories the bible tells but have you ever thought that it might be as a result of poor translations. Can you translate your native tongue very well to English without loosing some meaning?

t0kunb0:
@"all religious xtians in here"
A lot of u don't know d "God" u claim 2 serve. Someone asks simple logical questions which u all can't provide simple logical answers to asides claimin d questionaire's under d influence of d devil. Pityful
Hw about u address d issues wifout chasing shadows. Unfortunately d bible(which was designed to kip xtianity alive) is d only reference book availab which (unfortunately again) cannot be questioned
In conclusion, pretend to be a non-xtian for a minute and see how xtianity doesn't make any sense b4 u condemm d dude dat doesn't want 2 bliv in it blindly

Unfortunately a lot of christian sect have failed to realize that the bible is not the only source of truth. considering this is not the proper place to speak about this, i would give you Tokunbo a verse to read at your spare time, timothy 3:15, that should also help clear your views also.

@OP i pose this question, of all other planets in our solar system, how many have we found to have life, yeah i know the answer is zero.

Secondly take a good look around you and tell me you think everything around you was an accident, a Big bang like our scientists say.

Was there really a man called Jesus who died 2000years ago and claimed to be God, yes there was and further research has been done by lots of atheists to disprove this but they come up with the same answer, Jesus existed 2000 years ago, was crucified, rose from the dead, and the good news was spread by 12 men called the apostles.

I just wonder how 12 people were able to tell a lie that got so big and is heard all over the world today without flinching or saying something different. I am sure you have heard of the water gate scandal they couldn't even keep there lie together for a year.

Until you understand that our God is spiritual and does not set standards for us that he himself cannot keep to then you will never understand the ways of the Lord.

O! just to let you know, i don't think there is anything wrong with you and i think its wrong for anyone to say so to you. Instead i would expect a good christian to explain and make things clearer to you.

Lagerbeer would be wondering why the hell he came to caoch Super Chickens

Sagamite:
Carry that your head, and show me in the link you provided where I said:

I wait patiently. I will drown that your head until it starts taking in sense.

@Sauron, Please i beg of you can you check out the link i pasted and read message #151, the quote from Sagamite then tell us what you think.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=454586.msg6127460#msg6127460

@Sagamite; Thats the quote you wanted #151 has where you compared Amodu with other world class coaches. You are drowning boy, back off before its too late.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=454586.msg6127460#msg6127460

@Sagmite you know you truly contradict yourself, you agree they played rubbish for 70mins after which the game changed. Didn't you realize that was when Lagerbeer made his substitutions (Let me spell what that means so you understand: Great Tactical & match analytical skills) did you see the frustration on Maradonnas face, Did you see the bigger one on Messi's face. You keep saying Enyeama saved us, but you also seem to forget that Enyeama is a member of the team and its his job to save goals (why didnt the arg keeper let Martins shot go in?) and was trained by the goal keeper trainer Lagerbeer brought in. And go back and look at his saves, most were goals any good keeper like himself would also have saved, we had only about 2 that were unsavable situations.

But if you actually had any good sense of football/soccer you would see that this team survived the nightmare because of the tactical input by Lagerbeer. Did you see him bring in Echejile to cover for Taiwo after his injury, nope he put Kaita there and brought in Kalu instead to increase the attacking pressure on Argentina. If it was your god Amodu do you think he would have thot of that. You claim Phil McCarthy said the eagles played rubbish, did you see the other crap that guy has written about Nigeria, the answer must likely would be no. Go round the net and see what other credible people are writing then you would see how moronic your summary of the game is.

I wonder why people bother arguing with you when you are the same person that had the sense to say that Amodu is as good as any other world class coach.

Go back and take a look at the match the Nigerian squad had chances but failed to use them, why because they were playing scared. for me the weakest link in the team was Nsofor and Etuhu. I have problems with the way Taiwo tackles, he gives the attacker too much space to play. Haruna had a lot on his hands, thanks to Etuhu's inability to contain Messi properly, so he wasnt able to play his attacking role very well. If this squad could frustrate the so called almighty Messi, how can you say they didn't play well. Also the team lacked urgency and speed, they need to work on that.

Just watched the highlights of the match on ESPN, we had as much chances as the Arg team difference was the Arg team was shooting on target. Sagamite i suggest you do just that, it would help you do a better analysis. and i hope you remember at a time the Arg team looked confused cause they were loosing control of the game.

For the first time i watched a Nigerian team in a long while and i was calm.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=452348.msg6202466#msg6202466 date=1276359490]He started with the right players.
If we didn't concede that soft goal early in the game, you woulda seen a better first half.
The plan was to contain the Argentines in the first half and hit em in the 2nd half after their geriatric defenders musta been knackered.

He left Martins and Odemwingie on the bench for that purpose. . . . .
As soon as that plan failed, he brought out his plan B quickly(unlike Amodu whose plan B is in the 88th minute).
Lagerback lost to Argentina 0-1. . . . . . .Amodu lost scandalously to Egypt 1-3. I know who the better manager is.[/quote]You are very much on point. Very tactical coach. Pity we let them score early. We would do better against S.Korea

And our boy need to build confidence and play with urgency.

@Sagamite  There you go again, i really doubt you watched the match with an open mind. Even here in Canada people are wondering how the eagles could have changed so quick. Lagerbeer has really shown he is worth his onions and with more time he can achieve the same feat as Westerhof. The only problem i saw with this team today was that they were timid at the beginning. and they are not fast also. Lets see how the rest of the tournament goes.

Enyeama deserves the man of match for his outstanding performance. Good luck eagles.

Sagamite:
I am not saying Amodu is better than Guardiola.

I am saying:

1) Guardiola is privileged and you really can not guage his pedrigree well at the moment

2) Guardiola and other so-called world class coached make similar decisions or their teams demonstrate similar weaknesses (pre-ANC) Amodu was crucified for.

3) Amodu has never had the kind of benefits Guardiola has been given on a plate. Let me educate that give Amodu players like Henry, Messi, Ronaldinho, Etoo, Puyol and then you can now start justly belittling the achievement he has with the opportunity he has been given so far. You don't give a man a Ferrari and give another a Beatle and then use the Ferrari record to ridicule the record time the Beatle used to finish a race that the Beatle won.

And lest I forget, the education you promised me was encapsulated in this question:

I am awaiting your education.

I believe i have misquoted you. Sorry about that.

But i still believe for Amodu to get that privilege he has to show he knows what he is doing. He took over the eagles during the qualifications. And we never saw the eagles play the way they did against colombia through out. Check out the U21 tournament in Holland or the Olympics in China, did you ever see our eagles play like that under Amodu? Has he ever won the African champions league? You have to look at all the pro's and cons of this. I personally believe that Samson Siasia is a better coach than he is, the mere fact he had the balls to stand up to the NFF shows he knows what he is doing and is ready to take all responsibilities for the team. Can Amodu do that?

Sagamite:
Proved his mettle where?

Please educate me.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-370005.0.html

Now i am sure you are joking comparing Amodu and Guradiola, I do not need to educate you on this.  Amodu better than Guadiola .

Guy forget all these sentiments, if Amodu was better than Guardiola, he would be coaching Barca and not bothering himself with SE. You know what, let me educate you a bit, at this level even to be the coach of Eyinmba you must have something to show not to talk of Barcelona. Guy i think we can stop this joke now, it ain't funny anymore.

Sagamite:
Amodu is a good coach that has achieved a lot. Guardiola should go and manage ordinary Boavista and lets see what he can achieve before we know his real pedigree.

I believe he is coaching Barcelona because he has already proved his mettle. I can't say the same for Amodu. If I may ask, "what exactly has Amodu achieved"?