₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
I don't think we can underestimate the power of a useful database in the fight against terrorism. Only I will not rush to conclude that this one will, considering this is about the umpteenth time this same federal government has announced yet another database scheme. A database is only as effective as the data it contains and creating a new database, from scratch every other year leaves one to question the sanity of those who keep coming up with these ideas.

I think you can definitely have a database of cars-- maybe some inventory of cars that have entered the country, etc. But I also believe we do/should have a database of majority of the humans in Nigeria to work with as well(INEC's list which ought to be a national list.
I would debate this one!

Yes we can never under estimate the usefulness of a good database but the problem with this one is, a good database for the wrong purpose. It is alright to have a database of  cars that we have in the country, it's done every where but they do not use it to fight terrorism but for things like checking who needs to be taxed, know the amount of private cars that run on the roads etc.

What we really need like you have pointed out is a human database, that way you can monitor people closely. from such database you can tell if one is living above his means, you investigate further and find out what the source of his money is, etc.

Like i stated earlier a vehicle database cannot be accurate because most people do not even drive cars that belong to them or they bought themselves.

What part are you debating the smartness!!!!

Beaf:
Hmmmmm!
. . .A very confused man indeed! Nwanne, ogini di? Which one come be CRB na?

You are only looking more funny with your weird replies, sir.
In what village on Mars do you think a vehicle and license database would be divorced from each other?
do some actual travelling
Don't let pride make you continue in an ignorant direction, its really no good to any of us.

. . .One last thing, there is nothing like a central citizens database on for any govt. Lol! You think govt is a guguru shop?

You do not know what a CRB means and you have guts to open mouth and call me ignorant. Like I said get up from your sitting room in Naija and do some travelling then maybe you will get a better idea of how things work.

manny4life:
No argument it would be a powerful tool, the question is to what extent? In my own argument, I've always believed it will cause more harm than good for the purpose for which it was established. Besides, while protection of the nation falls under federal jurisdiction, both domestic and international, the burden of gathering information, disseminating those information should be treated on the state level. This should work as you getting a secret or top secret clearance; the federal govt has a central collecting database on "as needed basis". The citizens of the states will decide what shoes to wear and NOT a one size fit all federal mandate.

On that note, you cannot fight terrorism like that, I beg to differ on that. Domestic terrorism should be rather treated on state by state. States have more resources and tools, know their surrounding, etc to curtail or deter terrorism. Scanning license to plate tags does not cut it, why I say that is because any smart person (terrorist) will always find their way around. There was this training I went for in downtown DC last Wednesday, this boring a/s/s meeting lasted for three hours, but just to give you a scope, the instructor clearly stated the opposite of what your saying. When identifying terrorism, you have to know their different groups and subgroups, it's not the visible items that matter although important, it's the intent. How to identify an intent. For instance, someone can carry legit papers, everything, but when they go to fours different store and urchase fertilizers with everything being legit, is that a red flag?

Now this is the kind of thinking i am talking about. Anybody could buy a car and hand it over to someone else as a gift and then same car gets stolen and ends up being used for terrorism acts. After all we all know how cars exchange hands in Nigeria. The car has been entered into the database of the FG but how does that help sort out terrorism? There are different scenarios and it all boils down to the same. It would not solve the issue. Our security forces need to be trained to detect these acts, instead of putting money into white elephant projects that has sole aim of enriching our politicians.

Beaf:
Are you incurable, or just pretending?

As for the bolded, I can only laugh. Dude, you are really ignorant . Once data has been obtained on anything, it is interlinked with every other system.
Please take your brain out of your arse and tackle subjects within your reach. Dis one pass you wella.

Do you know what a CRB or credit check means? If you do then ask your self if both checks afre carried out on you, do they show if you are illegal or not?

Its people like you we need kicked out of Nigeria. Mate get off your lazy ass, save some money and tour the globe so you don't talk like a drunkard.

Beaf:
It really doesn't matter what the federal court did in the context of the argument, which is to prove that a persons immigration status can be determined to a large degree, in seconds, on a highway, when they are stopped and searched, because of the driver license database.

That sort of capability is what Nigeria is trying to develop in the long run. It would be a very powerful tool against terrorism.

There you go again, I thought you said it was based on the vehicle database. The police or immigrations officer do not need your drivers license to determine if you are illegal or not. That is why when you apply for visa or a passport your details are entered into a central database system including your picture. Once they get you with little info gotten off you they can tell what your status is.

Mate get your facts straight.

Beaf:
Lol!

You are very entertaining indeed!
I can't stop laughing!!!! Dude, wise people keep quiet and learn when they don't know a subject.

. . .Standard practice in the Western World. If you don't know, keep quiet.

We just have to keep preaching to the rocks and stones in our dear country, begging them to put a sock in their mouth and sod off, so the place can develop.

There again another ignorant answer. What has stopping and searching using immigration data base got to do with database on cars?

Keep pulling up more stuff to show how ignorant you are. Immigration data base has nothing whatsoever to do with Vehicle data base. It is standard practice that once in a while you are stopped by immigrations officers who have equipment to check based on your identity and not the car you drive if you are illegal or not. This same equipment is given to the police and not in all countries like you would lead us to believe, and just to let you know in case you do not, is not part of the police database but immigrations.

So my question again to you, what does a vehicle database do for you if you do not have a human database.

Beaf:
I don't know if you have ever been stopped on a street in Europe or the US while driving. You will quickly find that the police can determine a lot about your car right on the spot, they can tell if you are the driver or not, if you are legally in the country etc.
I would think such capabilities are handy in the fight against terrorism, wouldn't you?

As for a data on Nigerians who drive cars, there are enough rich sources, from passports, to INEC, to mobile phones etc. So fly on another trajectory, sir, cos you just crashed woefully.

With due respect, your question is redundant and the Nigerians amongst us that question GEJ's posting of the news on facebook that are the truly foolish ones among us. Thank you.

Your response just showed me how ignorant you are. I see i have been wasting my time chatting with you. PS did you get that idea from your sitting room in Nigeria? They can do that and there are loads of illegal immigrants in their countries.

I wonder if we are talking of the same country, where i can buy a passport off the streets or where we have ghost voters??

Yea now we truly know who the foolish ones are.

Beaf:
Lol! Sir, you are being rude to the majority of Nigerians by portraying us as stup!d to the outside World. When I read you guy's comments, I got so angry at the forceful display of ignorance that I would have immediately sacrificed the nearest goat (had there been one) to cleanse you folk.

Why talk loudly and forcefully about things you no absolutely nothing about? How would you describe a person that does that?

Ok explain to me how a vehicle database helps check terrorism. Tell me how by the push of a button you get to know who has ever driven a car. Where does the button get the feedback from? How does this work if there are no CCTV's on the road? That's me thinking and wondering WTF!!!!

I have not said Nigerians are stupid like you have portrayed. I have just asked simple questions to get everyone thinking, which you obviously are not ready to do. You cannot have a database of cars when you do not have one for the humans driving them. how do you match them to know who owns what. These are the type of questions we should be asking the president instead of being sentimental and supporting every stupid thing he places in front of us.

The president is the one who is being rude to Nigerians by making statements like the one he posted on facebook. He makes all Nigerians seem foolish even though we are one of the smartest people on the planet.

Beaf:
You tell us if there is one. Or wouldn't that help your "argument?"

Lol! . . .Any "reason" at all to remain backward is useful for some.

Mate, you know I would appreciate if you could show me you know better instead of showing me your level of ignorance by being rude.

P.S In what world does a president come out and give details of his security plans.

Beaf:
At the press of a button, you can know every single person that has ever owned a particular car, where they lived and when. You also have their photo.
The above aside, you can have a trace of every person that has been at the wheel of the car each time the police have stopped it.

Of course there is much more (use your imagination, its a rich resource), but if you think none of the above can help fight terrorism, then you can't be helped.

werepeLeri:
Did u read GEJ's speech?

LOL.

Here is what he said:


Last Friday I launched a comprehensive database on all Vehicles in Nigeria designed to link every vehicle to its owner/operator such that vehicles can be traced within seconds. This is part of proactive steps we are taking as part of a review of our national security architecture to lay greater emphasis on intelligence and citizens' participation in security surveillance. Terrorism has no conscience and spares no one. We must stand together against terror in its destructive manifestations. GEJ

One more question do we now have CCTV on our roads in Nigeria? Or are the policemen going to carry hidden cameras so they can get a glimpse of who has driven a car. What about our corrupt officials who would happily hand out more than one license plate to an individual.

What about the fact that the car would have been stolen by the suicide bomber? apparently he would not go to the police and say i stole a car to bomb the country.

C'mon we are smarter than this. I can give a million flaws. Like someone correctly said we should start with data on citizens, cause this would not help us catch a single terrorist but rather help our inept police and security forces harass innocent citizens.

I just have one question.

How does a database of cars and it's owners help curb or reduce terrorism? Someone please educate me.

Why are Nigerians so not smart. The OP has posted several videos, with input from even European citizens and Russia, telling us Ghadaffi has done nothing wrong and still people open their big mouth to say rubbish. What you don't understand is colonialism is on its way again but in a different form.

Someone listed a list of former British colonies and said they are all doing fine. You sit in your homes in Nigeria and decided that. Have you visited any of those countries. Have you met people from those countries and discussed with them. China is the 2nd largest economy but what percentage of people in China have a good standard of living, same in India.

Ghaddafi has always stood against the west, he has brought up ideas that would make us over run the west but as usual we have refused to listen. I remember him saying before all the chaos in Libya started that oil producing states should stop selling oil to the west in dollars but in Gold, this would further cripple the economies of the west. Do you think the west do not realise the threat Ghadaffi poses to them. We should start seeing the big picture and stop being fooled by the west. Also like a lot of people have asked, is the same situations not going on in Syria, why hasn't NATO bombed Syria yet? The king of Saudi Arabia and the queen of UK have been there before I was born, no one has called them dictators. Scotland and Wales have asked to leave the union but England has refused, why hasn't NATO bombed England.

Don't you all worry very soon they would visit Nigeria again in the guise that GEJ is the one causing the bombings going on in Nigeria at the moment then your eyes would be open.

Let's watch as more chaos unfolds, as our treasury is looted dry. Very pathetic.

romeo:
Dumb statement! She was and is still in politics. World Bank is a political Institution managing world finance

If you were smart you would know that the world bank is a non-profit institution and would always be categorized as such, instead of coming here to show your obvious ignorance. And please you should learn how to read, why not take a look at the list and see what her position is. It pays to read the dotted lines or are you an illiterate?

[quote author=musiwa.,. link=topic=743829.msg9001144#msg9001144 date=1314240340]that can not be true.  nigeria president wife can fire Ngozi iweala. whoever become nigeria president wife is among the first 30 most powerful woman.  Nigeria $30 Billion a year.  In Nigeria, the wife of president has the same power unofficially as the president. The nigeria president is the most powerfulman in africa. ahead of south africa and egypt[/quote]You are very on point. If they said she was 87th based on work den i would have somewhat agreed with her but not in politics. Besides she just rejoined politics, so how can she be powerful already. Pathetic list.

Kobojunkie:
Whose salary gets to be cut here? That of NASS which she probably has no power over? Or that of the ordinary civilian who only weeks ago rejoiced that he/she finally gets a wage increase after almost a decade of crying for help?

The obvious answer to this is the salary of civil servants. She cannot touch the salaries of NASS as it must go to GEJ for approval first. GEJ is a politician, he would be stupid to touch the salaries of the reps because they can ruin him.

And this woman gets it wrong again, you cannot clean the Nigerian economy without reducing the level of corruption in the country. GEJ and the members of NASS are perpetrators of corruption at the highest level. Even if we bring the best economists in the world to clean up Nigeria, if we do not reduce corruption, then all would be futile. We have seen that all her work reducing foreign debt ( which was a blunder in the first place) has amounted to nothing as Nigeria is back in the same position as she was before.

Let us sit and watch, it would be the same like it always has until we the masses say we are tired.

afodimkpa:
Its not Jonathan's barefaced lies and self praise that pains me, but the level of sycophancy displayed by Nigerians, especially the youths who are most adversely affected by his all talk and no action policies.    Fools who should ask the man how many cups of garri 2 new satellites will place on their table, or how many mega watts of electricity tenure elongation will generate, or better still how the creation of new universities will generate employment for the tens of millions of unemployed graduates roaming the streets! A man wakes up and tell them inflation has reduced to 9.4% and the idoits say thank you sir. Yet the mumus go out and fight with the onion seller for selling 3 miserable bulbs of onions for N500 instead of N450 they bought it just the day before.

Each time I visit Goodluck Jonathan's FB page, I come to the conclusion that Nigerians themselves are responsible for the leadership rascality we are experiencing. Nigerians are plain dishonest even to themselves.

Well goodluck to you!    

That's why IBB said a few years back that the youths of Nigeria have nothing to offer and i said even though its insulting the fella was absolutely correct. It seems we have gone backwards by ten years. We hardly produce any smart person from our schools any more. This is basic economics that can be measured by anyone with common sense (the saying that sense is not common seems to be the case here). Prices are flying up by the hour and someone tells you that inflation has dropped to single digit and you accept whole heartedly. When last did you buy anything in Nigeria with a =N=1 coin? I cry for Nigeria.

This is a simple definition of inflation for the benefit of those who do not know

In economics, inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time.

I hope after this simple lay man definition you can now start thinking for yourselves. SMH in total disbelief!!!!!!

dayokanu:
Yess Kanu is wayyy better than Okocha football wise

@KettyKin
what happens to those who bought shares of these banks,

sanusi is driven by northern / islamic patriotism let us see where that will take him to, for 2 years now no meaninful progress in the banking industry, why didnt the federal government allow soludo to finish what he started why bring this clown to kill/nationalise private banks and introduce sharia banks.

If private banks dont do well is it sharia banks that will ?

Islamic banks are doing just fine. You need to do a proper research to understand how they work. In fact Europe has been advised to consider using the principles of islamic banking to revive their economies. The arabs are fairing better with it. Its not about the name but the principles.

@Lastpage
Time will tell!
You can "confuse" some of the people, some of the time but you cannot "confuse" all the people, all the time!

Peeps have been telling us Sanusi was trying to save the banks from its present "management"!
Question is: Who appointed the "present management"? Answer: SANUSI himself!

All said and done, its not "what" Sanusi does or "How" he does it that matters, What matters is the RESULT!

What does Sanusi's "score-card", as CBN Governor tell us?

The simplest indicator of the success or failure of a CBN Governor is the CURRENCY of that country!

When Sanusi came-in as Governor, Naira rate as as follows:

$1 = #125
1GBP = #230
€1 = 165   for the major currencies.

What of TODAY?

$1 = #158
1GBP = #256
€1 = #233

Now, note that the "crash" of the Naira is "as it is", despite the following:

a.)American dollar is at its lowest in terms of real value as a result of the recession, the debt and the seemingly unending trio of multiple wars, unemployment and political wrangling

b.) The Euro is also at its lowest as a result of the groups toxic debt/bail out of the 'PIGS' (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).
To add salt to the Euro's injury, Italy which is the second biggest economy within the E.U, is in tatters and "will" also collapse in a matter of weeks. These factors combined make it seems like the Euro as a single currency will either fail totally or some E.U states (like Germany) will have to opt out.

c.) The U.K has seen no growth for some time now, its income has shrunk drastically and the only song it is singing to its citizens (including its military complex!) is Cuts, Cuts and Cuts! Its in a quasi-recession. Its currency has also weakened.

All the above has ensured that all these foreign currencies are under-valued!

Now imagine, if the above where not the case? "Discount these situations" and guess what the "real value" of the NAIRA is, relative to world currencies!

If this is not enough "sign" to show any wary observer that the current leadership of the CBN is a colossal failure, nothing will, EXCEPT WHEN ALL OUR (Nigerians) INVESTMENTS ARE WIPED OUT! 

He can deploy all his P.R for all l care but l urge everyone to keep a close eye on how the NAIRA is nose-diving, same way the "value" of our assets are nose-diving!
No need for big grammar or some fancy words! And dont tell me he is "deliberately devaluing the naira"!
The naira is almost shyte, by itself.

May God help this country and save us from these silly experimentations and its "naughty Professor"

Just my take!

I do not know where you got this ideology from but i can confidently tell you that there are a lot of countries out there who prefer to have their currency devalued in order for them to have economic growth. You have countries like China and Japan in this regards. You cannot measure a Central Bank Governor's performance by the value of the currency but by several macro economic variables like inflation, interest rates, etc. also note that even though SLS appointed those interim management it would be worthy to note that he cannot be in all 10 banks at the same time to monitor what they were doing. The only problem i had with him was the manner in which he carried out the exercise and some banks that escaped the hammer even though most of us knew the state of those banks. In my opinion he should have quietly eased out the former management and then asked the non-executive board members to appoint a new executive which the CBN would have ratified.

Well i must say if this were to be in another country say for instance Britain or South Africa, etc. I would not lose an ounce of sleep over this, but considering this is Nigeria, where what we see is not really what is, I have to keep one eyebrow raised. Very good policy which if used for the proper intent would save the economy, as we all know that banks are generally considered TOO BIG TO FAIL, cause when one fails it always has a trickle down effect on the whole economy.

I just pray this is not an orchestrated act by SLS.

Nitel is being sold for $450M and we are rejoicing. . A few men are buying up everything in the country (using our money) we are rejoicing . When would we (Nigerians) get smart and learn. SMH!!!

I wish Fela was still alive, this is what he would have termed suffering and smiling.

Imanuelle:
wot are u saying

What i am saying is no company be it white owned or black owned would tell u dey wouldn't do bizness with you cos of ur nationality not in this age and time with all the laws against such. You could be sued for that you know.
And i am totally surprised at the level of reasoning of some Nigerians, you buy any story without taking a good look at it. Everything we do is based on sentiments. It has to end if we would get to the promised land.

akhis:
One of the world‘s leading banks, HSBC, has shut several accounts operated by the Redeemed Christian Church of God in its branch on Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn , New York, United States.



Empowered Newswire reports that the bank branch, which is located in the same area as the RCCG parish, International Chapel, Brooklyn, said its action was based on its decision to stop transacting business with Nigerians.



”HSBC’s recent refusal to continue their banking relationship with our church (International Chapel Brooklyn of The Redeemed Christian Church of God) was on the grounds that we are Nigerians and that they will not ‘deal’ with Nigerians,” said a member and official of the church in New York under condition of anonymity.



The development was confirmed by officials of the bank, who said the financial institution was at liberty to do so.



They did not, however, offer any explanation for the action.


http://punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art2011071119213346


na only God know which kain thing dey go on for there.

Bullshit, do you know how many Nigerians have accounts in HSBC. I have an account with them and my account is still operational. Do you know how many politicians who have stolen money from Nigeria hide those monies in HSBC.

RCCG should tell us the truth. We have gone beyond telling us baby stories.

executinal:
Ok we hear, but she handle the position during OBJ regime. Did she perform I am igbo but do not think she is the right person for that job. Then who do you think that can handle the position better than her for now your suggestion could make change to our nation. For now Ngozi will handle

umechuma:
Maybe Bankole should have been the best candidate.

odiaero:
Your opinion dont count

When i see statements like dese above, i weep for Nigeria because it clearly shows that we are still suffering from tribalism and neo-colonialism and that means we would never get to the promised land.

She was Finance minister during OBJ's tenure what did she do, take all our reserves and pay-off foreign debt and we all think that was a wise thing to do. Where has that move gotten us, did it improve the economy? Infact tell me if i am wrong, that was all she did during her tenure and we all clapped hands for her. Has any of you looked at the debt portfolio of the world powers or even the present fast growing economies, eg Brazil, China, India, they owe way more than we did. After paying our debt did it stop us from incurring more debt or did it change the way the west perceives Nigeria. We hd local contractors who hould have been paid so that they would create jobs for Nigerians but she didnt think it was appropriate to pay them first. I remember at some point she was going to lay off civil servants and bring in people who had 2:1 to work in ministries, is that the kind of person we need as finance minister. Does she know the implication of that to the economy.

That woman is coming to play a script given to her by the west and it would not favour us one bit. The west is in a bad situation right now and they would do anything to recover from it. We should stop being sentimental and face realities.

Amazing you guys are actually rooting for Okonjo Iweala when all she would do is play out the script given to her by World Bank and co. I am igbo but do not think she is the right person for that job. My honest opinion.

Dis Guy:
Chams, interswitch and many more already provide the service, if the infrastructure is not there these guys would have been out of business and many upcoming service companies wont even bother

people already sit at home to conduct internet transactions in Nigeria. . . .

I agree we have those guys on ground but truth be told they are not that effective. How many banks in Nigeria allow you do transfers from one bank to another and how many are hassle free. I sit down in my room or office make a transfer online here in canada and less than 5mins later the recipient can confirm the fund is in their account.

I was in Nigeria during Xmas last year and it was hell trying to use my card to pay for things. I know how many of my friends come to canada from Nigeria and have issues using Nigeria issued cards. The proper infrastructure is not in place. Right now not a vast majority of the populace uses e-payments, then imagine what would happen next year when everyone is forced to use them. The chaos would be untold. People would loose money to our thieving banks, etc. We need the proper infrastructure in place first. Good idea but as usual there would be poor implementation.

Can't we be civil to each other, this is just a simple question even though ambiguous.

If i was asked who was a better player between the 2, then the answer would be Okocha.

But if i was asked who was more successful between the 2, then the answer would be Kanu.

It should be noted that Okocha even though no where as successful as Kanu, remains more famous than Kanu. People world over would rather see Jay Jay play over Kanu.

Also to be noted, Kanu is the most successful player ever to come out of Nigeria. Also one of the best players to come out of our great country.

Both players contributed immensely in whatever team they played in.

@baby-boy kanu was not a lazy player, his slowness was what made his game. Kanu had deft passes. And just a reminder of the 3 goals scored againt Chelsea in 10mins. That is the trademark of a deadly player. There were other great moments. And he is also very popular in the UK, people love him.

@starboard I totally disagree with your statement "he is not fit to tie Kanu's lace" Even kanu himself knows what Jay jay is worth, he may not have won all the titles in the world but he is a player on the lips of many fans of football world over.

@Kabukabu50 Finidi was a great player wish we could have someone like him in the team again. But i disagree with you about Kanu and Okocha being overated. Those two are the Nigerian players known worldwide with the most contribution to the game of football.

I think some people have gotten the wrong idea. The CBN is not saying you cannot take out more than 150k from your account at any given time, the thing is you cannot take it out as cash or you get fined, so you have to use some form of e-payment to do this.

I think the right questions now would be to ask the CBN how they intend to make e-payments work properly before enforcing this, considering that power and the infrastructure needed to have a good payment system is not in place. For example our internet services is still light years behind. And of course the banks cannot improve this on their own. There has to be very good and fast payment systems on ground for this to work. So that people can sit in their homes, on their banks internet banking page they can make transfers to anyone in the country and outside the country, without having to go to the bank.

They have to consider all the necessary things needed before adopting this new measure in 2012 or it would cause chaos instead of helping the system.

P.S a cashless society is very ideal, it would save a lot of problems if we get it right. It would also help reduce corruption as we would have evidence of every transaction carried out.

deotelan:
Bakare we can trust but Buhari has neva &wuld neva lead aright cuz he had d opportunity b4 bt messed up like his mates,if elected buhari wuld jst make Bakare a figure head as usual bt if he was reasonable enuf he wuld av swaped post wit Bakare then only wuld Nigerians Vote for d duo bt GEJ has all d qualities includin d fact dat marginalisation has stopped Nigerian Presidency is'nt only 4d Northern & Southerners Power must ROTATE.Even if he wuldnt do much it doesnt matter than d fact dat Nigerian's can determine who rules em!

This is the same reason why the UK would continue it's downward spiral. This statement is the dumbest thing i have read so far ( No insult intended to the writer).

Integritas:
While I congratulate GEJ in advance, it is quite clear that the future of Nigeria lies with the Nigerians. They have voted for someone they believe is the best candidate to drive the Country forward. GEJ deserves the victory and it is clear that Voters voted for a candidate who will advance Nigerians and not a political Party. I think the Country is becoming better grounded into democracy even with the better representation of all Parties in the National Assemblies. The support for GEJ should continue as National policies and strategic directions start to emerge. This is the full meaning of "GEJ all the way". My theory is if you can support him to win an Election, you can support him to run the Nation.

I quite disagree with you (my personal opinion), I think the voting was based mainly on ethnicity. And that for me is not democracy.

soloqy:
Can we see the videos? I bet the video of the woman thumb printing would be the one , yeah?

What woman thumb printing?

Unfortunately you can't see it as the video was shown to me by a friend, whose sister is an International observer.