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gregyboy:
Are this historically proven can you prove it


Are you saying the oba of benin is a yoruba man

I never said the Oba is Yoruba.
I only said that every Oba is crowned at the Usama palace

The government is the problem

Buhari ruined this country

I know someone, who before 2015 had a suv and a bus for business. He complained about Gej and voted Buhari. He was not hungry then, he was angry of what he said was massive corruption.

Today he treks.
He doesn't complain anymore. He only regrets voting buhari

naijaman2225:
OVIA NORTH EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND AKOKO EDO LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUST SURELY COUNT AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITH HIGHEST NUMBER OF LANGUAGES IN EDO STATE.

You know Edo state

ogbonti:
every thing you said is correct

the bold parts - the Oba is under Obaseki constitutionally and if he thinks otherwise- let him run for the office of Governor of Edo State, after all the then Ooni of Ife, Oba Adesoji Aderemi was a politician and Governor of all old western region in the the first republic. The Oba of Benin can not be playing politics and at the same time claim to be apolitical

the problem we have with political leadership is that most political office holders have watered down the prestige of their office that they do not even know these traditional rulers are under them

That’s why i respect Ganduje for cutting Former Emir Sanusi to size by dethroning him

I respect traditional authority but their role is simply ceremonial- they must never interfere with democratic outcomes for any reason whatsoever

Well you are not Edo. To the average Edo man, after God it's the Oba of Benin. All monarchs are political. It only depends to which degree does the throne go about it. I repeat all monarchs, even the Papacy in Rome was very political.

The issue I talked about has nothing to do with politics. It's something I can't share with you. So no governor can really do the sanusi stuff to the Oba of Benin. Not now, maybe 100 years from now.

True, Monarchs should not influence electoral processes. Very true, but they will always do to a lesser degree

To me, Obaseki is under the Oba of Benin.
Forget about the constitution for now...

ogbonti:
you are the one high on trash and you are a kid

Oba Erediauwa - the father of this current Oba played politics in 1991 when he indirectly told his chiefs to tell Benin people to vote for Chief John Odigie - Oyegun of SDP against Mr. Lucky Igbinedion of NRC - I was in Benin and I voted in that election (Option A-4 open ballot system, aka see me I see you) and so many bs happened then including the murder of Oredo LG Chairman Mr. George Osa Idah. Even the Oba had to wear red and go to court to defend himself against the allegations that Ogbinedion put forward that the Oba cost his son the election- That was an open secret in Benin then that the Oba campaigned secretly against Igbinedion through his Chiefs.


In 1999, that same Oba Erediauwa was backing Mr Lucky Imasuen of APP against Lucky Igbinedion of PDP and that made Navy Captain Anthony Ibe Onyearugbulem - the then Edo State Sole administrator to confront the Oba and told him to behave himself or else - most of us know how that ended, when he removed the Oba as Chairman of Edo State Traditional Council because he said the Oba was partisan.


Then his son Oba Ewuare was pulling that same stunt for Ize Iyamu - in 2019

Do you know what it means for the Oba to say his family didn’t like Obaseki because the role his great grand father played in the 1897 Benin Massacre and that Dangote was begging him to accept Obaseki’s candidacy in 2016 and that Phillip Shaibu is no longer his son bla bla bla abd that Oshomole is a good man and he has been helping him since he was a Prince bla bla bla

if you can not read in between the lines and his body language and know he was campaigning against Obaseki and expected him to say EDO PEOPLE VOTE FOR IZE IYAMU - then you are a BIG g Oa t

You are right about the things you said about Oba Erediauwa. But Oba Ewuare was right, he did not know Obaseki and that was the truth.

Obaseki has not handled some personal issues which the Palace has given to him well because of certain factors. The Oba is not really happy about it. The Oba has his interests also.


Nevertheless people voted Obaseki to spite Oshiomole badly. The palace understood this that's why they couldn't come out for Ize iyamu. The Palace had to thread carefully and people knew the Oba had ties with Captain, but you see one thing, everyone ignored the palace politics and acted like it did not exist.

They separated the Oba from it and dealt with Cap. OSA and Oshiomole.

somehow:
If they are called the Edos
What then is the language called?

Edo language
Hausa people speak Hausa language

Simbrixton:
you guys should stay out of itsekiri issues it is simple

The only issues we have had is the Ologbo. Which everywhere your iyatsere goes on TV he says he is under the Oba of Benin.

Go and bark at the people dragging warri with you. You can't cough in Okpe. Oghara people chased your people from Ajagbodudu. When you have resolved these issues in your Delta state, you can now face us in Edo state.

I am done

Simbrixton:
we ready 4 una for ologbo 2.0 na only 4 people we kill abi we go still fall more lool

My guy nobody like crisis
Dem no day pray for am. You don't live in Ologbo. Ologbo is 30 minutes from Benin and about 2 hours to warri.

If e start now, you will be typing from your safe house in Warri and the poor itsekiris in Ologbo will run to Oghara and Ajagbodudu for safety.

Shun violence

4ckyou:
It's Owan but kinda different a little bit

You know the Language abi. It's called Ikpin I think

somehow:
So where do you put the Benins(Binis) or nothing like that in the state of Edo?

The Benins are called the Edos. It is stated there

Walkee:
I can't count. I'm from Edo state, each local government speak different language

I swear, I heard one language like that spoken by people in Owan community near the river before ifon, my God, I was confused. The language was dancing on its own. It didn't sound like Yoruba but it didn't sound like Owan. It was just on its own.

Utese and Egbeta share boundaries but they don't understand each other. Their two languages are different from Benin

Tareq1105:
How come the present Oba admitted that Oranmiyan was the first Oba but for a short period before handing over to Eweka his son?

So who should we believe?

I never disputed Oromiyan as the first Oba. Because that was a part of our history we really didn't take note of even though it has been there.

Note every oba of Benin is crowned at a palace called Usama. Usama palace is different from the palace at Ogbe which you call Oba Palace.

According to tradition, the Edion crowned Oromiyan at the Usama Palace but Oromiyan never ruled as the stool of authority was with ogiamen. So Oromiyan got angry and he left Benin as he could not rule.
So the Oba is right if you count by coronation, Oromiyan was actually crowned and it's a fact.

This same Oromiyan is not considered the first Alafin of Oyo by some Yoruba scholars because he left the kingdom he founded and went back to ife.

So if you look at all I have said, I never disputed the coronation of Oromiyan. I never talked about it

Gbajure:
But if Odùduwà is not Yoruba how can Eweka or Oranmiyan has Yoruba blood?

On the Odùduwà history, it is a big shame that most Yorubas don't even know the true story or endeavor to. When Yorubas say Odùduwà descended from the heaven, they don't believe it. Samething with Igodomigodo story. These are called myths. But the same people believe that Elijah rode a craft to heaven and that Jesus ascended to heaven.

Only the Ife people can authoritatively tell the story, and then only the Aworo Odùduwà, those are the descendants of Odùduwà in Ile Ife.

In Yoruba mythology, it is believe that everything is in doubles, call it duality of existence. For example some people think that Sango, the son of Oranmiyan is the same Sango that is a diety. Not at all. How can Sango a contemporary of Ogun, Obatala etc be the same as Sano the son oranmiyan and a Nupe mother?.

Sango the diety is better known as Oranfe onílé Ina in Ife. The same way Obaluaye is called Sanpona outside Ife. But becos the later Sango show similar power of thunder controlling like Sango the Oranfe, he was given the name Sango.

The samething with Odùduwà. There is Odùduwà the contemporary of Agboniregun etc. He descended from heaven. The later Oduduwa migrated down from Nile area, some said Arabia. And for people saying he migrated from Edo land, tell them the Edo people were part of the massive migration down from the Nile area. S it is not true.

Bro
I said maternaly. According to your Yoruba story on it, Oronmiyan was a grandson, then the son of oduduwa must have taken an Yoruba wife. In fact it is said he took two wives. One gave. Birth to the 7 Yoruba kings of which Oronmiyan is the last born and the other wife gave birth to the Ooni.

Gbajure:
Only those ignorant of history will said that Oranmiyan conquered Edo land. He was invited. And he left in frustration and anger with the Ogiamme antagonism. But he left his son Eweka for a good reason. And even tough the Ogiamme first refused to let Eweka ruled eventually he prevailed and become the arguably second Ona of Benin.

To digress a bit, don't u think the Ife people will know more about Oranmiyan, who was born and raised there, than anyone else?

Oranmiyan is not a son of Odùduwà but a grandson. Not by any chance a first born. But due to his warrior nature as Ifá revealed he was allowed to go with the Edions by Odùduwà. Who will trust his first born, the Adimula in waiting to travel that far with strangers?

Point of correction
Eweka never prevailed over the ogiamen. It was his great grandson Oba Ewedo who did. If you look at my post, I say Oromiyan had Yoruba blood in him via his mother. We will not talk about his paternal lineage because both of us agree Oduduwa was not from ife, he wasn't Yoruba.

Gbajure:
But was it like that before Oranmiyan from Ilé Ife arrived? Were they ever called Binis?
Was the king title ever Ọmọ Noba?
Wasn't it Ogiso?

It is the itsekiris that told the Portuguese that we are Binis... Oromiyan coming to Benin didn't make us become Benins. In fact we call Benin city Edo. A man in auchi will tell you he is traveling to Edo(benin). The urhobo man will call Benin (AKA)... The igbos would say it's idu.

So before Oromiyan came, the rulers of Edo were called Ogiso. After he came the title changed to what it is now. The title was given to Eweka by the Benin people.

Gbajure:
Now I get your point.
The reason I was stressing that sliver of point, is that only the descendants of Oranmiyan can become Oba of Benin.
Even Odùduwà met autonomous groups in Ile Ife but we are now all call Yorubas and not Ọmọ Odùduwà and Ọmọ Obatala.

We don't call ourselves omo Eweka or omo oduduwa. Hope you understand. Because the monarchy in Benin did not bring us to our existence. It is the collective will of the edo people that gave birth to the monarchy. The power of the Benin monarchy is in the hand of the Edo people and Osagioduwa.

The name of the Edo land you see is called igodomigodo. A Benin man would say he is an Ovbi'edo. Son of the soil...

Gbajure:
For argument sake let's agree that only Oronmiyan mother is Yoruba. And leave the Odùduwà part for other time. Then Eweka too has Yoruba blood then thru his father Oranmiyan. Let call those from Eweka with Yoruba blood via their ancestral mother Binis and the pure Edo people as Edos.

And since only those Binis can become Oba, then the Bini monarchy is part Yoruba then.

And if those are the same people that instituted Warri throne, it also is part Yoruba. I hope u get my point.

LOL.. Now I see
You don't even know the different between bini and Edo. Now I see why you're confusing yourself.....lol

A Benin man like you would say doesn't call himself Benin but he calls himself Edo. The title of the Oba of Benin is Omo N'oba Nedo....

OkoNDOoBo:
even the present oba of benin ewuare2 confirmed oromiyan as first oba of benin but it was a short period before his first son took over from him
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/pomp-pageantry-as-bini-kingdom-crowns-oba-ewuare-ii/

You see you guys always skip the main points. I never said anything about Oronmiyan being the first Oba or not. I said he left in anger because he couldn't rule. He was practically powerless. The Edions who brought him from Ife, didn't give him power. Power was with the Ogiamen.

You Yoruba have painted a history in your head like Oronmiyan came in a war horse with his army and invaded benin and conquered it. Then he put his son to rule over Benin... Oronmiyan was brought to Benin by the Edions. He could not even defeat the Ogiamen. He left in anger.... The people he met didn't even understand him. So this whole idea of him being conqueror in Benjn and Benin people being Yoruba... I don't know where those lies come from

Gbajure:
There is absolutely no need to be abusive Bros. We are learning. You even know who I am and where I am posting from.

Can you explain what you meant by this cleverly worded statement? The yorubas and the Benins do not have any relationship outside the monarchy. What relationship? And which family can become Oba of Benin?

Edos and Yorubas are distinct but Binis are not! Let me humbly ask you this question, where are and what happened to Ifes those that left Ile-Ife with Oranmiyan and stayed behind to take care of his son Eweka and the descendants of Ọba Eweka.

If you agree that Ọba Eweka is a Yoruba man, then what do you call his descendants that till today are the only one qualify to become Oba of Benin?.

I even don't like to use Benin, a corruption of Bini used first by Oranmiyan, a Yoruba.

I do not agree Eweka was a Yoruba man. I said Oronmiyan had Yoruba blood in him via his mother. I stressed that part.

scholes0:
They had numerous neighbours...so what? Everyone has numerous neighbours.... Abi is there anyone here living in Antarctica?
Which of the numerous neighbours spoke your language? That is the koko... Igbos speak Igboid languages, Yorubas speak Yoruboid languages.

The neighbours of ife are all Yoruba speaking people. But in Benin, we had the igbos east of us, we had the Igalas north of us, we had the Yoruba west of us, we had the ijaw and itsekiris and uhrlbos south of us. That's what I mean by we communicated with them all.

Gbajure:
But the Benin dynasty was started by a Yoruba blood, Eweka the Great, the son of Oranmiyan with an Edo mother.

Oranmiyan toppled the existing Ogiso dynasty and that was never reversed till today.

Point of correction
Oronmiyan could not stay in Benin because he never toppled it. It was Oba Ewedo a great grandson of Oronmiyan who successfully had a deal with the Ogianmen.

Oronmiyan left Benin in anger. Vexation because he was promised soft landing by the Uzama. Since he could not get he left Benin in anger. Yes Oronmiyan had a Yoruba blood in him obviously from his mother side.

We can keep the conversation on Oronmiyan

ogbonti:
Captain Hosa Okunbor is the father of Prince Tsola's wife. That same greedy Captain Hosa who was so divisive in the last Gubernatorial election in Edo State, sending paid thugs to attack the convoy of Governor Obaseki and Wike and others on their way to the palace. I do not expect the Oba of Benin to tell Ayiri to do what is right. The Oba is a good friend of Captain Hosa and he will want the son -in-law of his close friend and confidante to become King in Warri as this current Oba was the Royal Father of the day when Prince Tsola Emiko Married Ivie Okunbor in 2014

Chief Ayiri should understand that The Oba of Benin can not impose anything on him because tradition is tradition. Laws have outlasted Obas in Benin and just like no other prince but the first son of a departed Oba of Benin can become King in Benin, likewise no son of an Olu whose mother is not an Itsekiri or a Bini woman can reign as King in Warri.


Chief Ayiri should never allow anyone to blackmail or force him to surrender the customs of the Itsekiri people as very powerful interest groups outside the Iwere Kingdom are doing everything possible to water down the selection process. For once, I am supporting Ayiri in this matter - ATABRATA, DO THE RIGHT THING and do not allow anyone to confuse or control you, whether Oba or no Oba - Ooni or Alaafin, just do the right thing!!!!

I believe the itsekiris should do their thing. The only problem with removing that edict is that, the succession will now be thrown to so many families. So many from the Ginuwa ruling house will be able to contest the throne. That is the only problem

scholes0:
Let me even say that for argument sake you are right (which you are not, because that 3% is Benin royalty who are ultimately Yorubas who spoke Yoruboid dialects and hence how they easily blended with the Itsekiris).. The ruling family you are claiming have already made it known via a unanimous decision that Tsola Emiko is the Olu in waiting....

So what is the argument about again?

LOL who told you that
Actually the Olu dynasty was started by a Benin blood and ijaw blood. Forget that tale of Benin speaking Yoruba. Benin had numerous neighbors and we communicated well with all our neighbors

Gbajure:
No. You are now comparing apples to oranges. There are no descendants of Portuguese in Lagos. But returnees with portuguese names form the ruling house. In the case of Benin, the Binis distinct from pure Edo are Yorubas are the royal family as ordained by Oranmiyan, and no one ever contested the ruling house with them.

In the case of Itshekiris, it is even more ridiculous since they are pure Yoruba with some mixed with Binis, mind you not Edos, blood

You guys lie too much
How can you say Bini people are Yoruba stock. We don't understand each other at all.

scholes0:
They are 97% Yoruba and 3% Benin.
PeriooodT

The 3% is the ruling house

Juliusmalema:
I will never support evil and as such the article 4 is a useless one.....

Itshekiri are by extension Yorubas, So it makes no sense, I mean no sense how the son of a Yoruba woman won't become king.

The 1979 edict is a daylight robbery and shouldn't stand.

The Benin kingdom itself is a yoruboid kingdom ( Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor an Itshekiri man affirmed this)...

Prince Tsola should be crowned the Olu of Warri.

You cannot deny the real owners of the kingdom by extension their right to also rule their land.

The Article 4 should be burnt to ashes....It has outlived it's usefulness and reason it was created.

If some lies, revisionist are not nipped to the mud, they might end up extending the local government they want to control in their expansionist agenda upto Nine..

Shut up the Benin kingdom was already existing before Oduduwa was known in Ife.

Christistruth00:
From what you have written it is obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri

Any Culture that calls a group of People TENANTS after 500 years of settlement in a Place and that is threatening to drive them out is desperately faulty and needs a Complete Overhaul it is not done anywhere on Earth.
God himself will fight that Nation .

Even the black Americans who were exported to the US as Slaves are not called Tenants they have long become American Citizens.

From what you wrote alone it is obvious Ologbo belongs to Itsekiri.

If it were not so they would have been Edonised by now both in Language and Culture, by now the Ologbo Itsekiri would have been speaking Edo and bearing Edo names.

500 years ago the People of Ogbomosho were Baribas it didn’t take 300 years for them to become completely Yoruba not through War but by everyday interaction with Yorubas.

How can you say the itsekiris have occupied Ologbo for 500 years. Stop this lie. Go and visit the itsekirichat website. You will see how the Itsekiris came to even settle in Ologbo.

If you apply the same laws of occupancy, then you will see why the itsekiris will barely own any land in Warri.

I for one have never claimed them. I see no need for that. We won't do that. But everything in Edo south is under the lordship of the Oba of Benin. This is how it will remain till this country fades away

Efewestern:
This is a section where we are allowed to discuss about local culture and recent happenings, I don't need to be from any part or take permission from you before I can make a comment, so I don't see why you should be angry or paranoid.

Ologbo is an Edoid word which means cat, this I'm not disputing because it has same meaning in my language (Onogbo), going by your logic, Eko is also a Bini word, can we have Enojies in Eko?

Even if there should be an Enojie, wouldn't it be fair that he comes from the community?

Efe my man. Ologbo is an Edo land. Let me shock you, do you know that according to itsekiri Ikaye story, it was the Oba of Benin who granted him the right to stay in Ologbo. How can they now turn around to own a place that was give to them for occupancy.

Do you know that the Land which the uhrobos of Oghara Kingdom seat on was once the Oba's land and they paid annual rent for it. Visit uhrobowaado for confirmation.

The Oghara people came from Agbhara-otor to settle in that land. Today they're the owners of the land. But historically they paid rent for it. So how can Ologbo that is in our backyard. Like Ologbo that is just 15 minutes from Benin not be for the Oba.

Reason am now.... Haba

Ogungbemi01:
The edict or proposed edict as we call it here was horridly gazetted by ON Rewane and few others without consulting Itsekiri people because they have a particular person in mind that they want to make Olu of Warri. They used it to narrow the search to the particular person they had in mind and arrogated so much powers to he Rewane who was the then Ologbosere. We have reviewed the document and discovered that it is self serving and not in the interest of Itsekiri people. We have trashed the edict and that is final. Section 4 of the edict is the singular reason we trashed the edict. It is very insultive to our parent tribe. We are speaking a Yoruboid language and the said Ginuwa is from the lineage of Oramiyan. Ginuwa himself spoke Yoruboid language which shows that he is Yoruba.

Stop deceiving yourself
Ginuwa did not speak any Yoruba. Your Olu dynasty was started by Benin and ijaw blood.

I have no problem with whoever you make your olu. In fact nobody in Benin even claims you guys, I don't know where that idea comes from. We are only saying that the Olu stool is Benin of Origin. That's all.

As partly Deltan, I can comment on this post because at least I know a little of Asaba. Okowa has tried for Asaba in terms of infrastructure.

But to be honest I get angry because Delta is not where it ought to be I swear. The money in that state is just for eating by politicians. They eat money too much in that state. The wastage in Delta state is too high from the time of Ibori till now.

To be sincere, the biggest business in Delta state is politics. It is very very big. They did local government election, come and see how it was...in my Edo state, nobody even really cares about how they do Local government election.

In Delta state, the money involve is huge.

Muslims are the cause of this problem. Whenever they're in dominance, they try to destroy anything that isn't Islam even if its good.

But when they are not in majority, they will be preaching peace