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jl115:
Pre production ZT3s destroyed several Russian tanks during Operation Modular in 1987:

You can read more about it here:

https://samilhistory.com/tag/ratel-zt3/

Ohh, it was even the sadf era..... I want the sandf era; the sadf era was undeniably terrific then

GreenandGold:
hehehe, okay

Where pls?..... Don't drop pics for me about some random deployment

jl115:
My bru when there LST stopped at Simons Town for some R&R

"Showing the Southies what it actually means to have a Blue Water Navy that can put out to sea, project power to distant lands and achieve national and regional objectives by military diplomacy or force of arms. Not the SAN moribund in port with fancy toys that can't swim."

Where are your lst, not that wasted frigate pls..... We are building our navy, just keep calm

jl115:
So you agree they hold/held vast territories at one stage?

Yh they held at one point. I will be honest, we were caught off-guard due to our porous borders

jl115:
Source for what? the amount of Ratel Zt3s or a source for the tank kills? which one you want?

Tanks kills, combat situation it was used in

jl115:
52..........And they have actual tank kills in combat!!

Source

GreenandGold:
Or how they land a helicopter on a ship and then BOOM they're suddenly the best in Africa...

We are always the best .deal with it

jl115:
Yes I'm pretty sure....polls put them barely over 40%.

Also in terms of cost of living SA is also much better off We are one of the cheapest countries to live in my bru!!

Lol, please check it out

jl115:
Terrorist aren't holding actual territory like in Nigeria!!

Quote which territories they are holding now pls?...... They are holding zero now, just hit and run...soon they will be eradicated

jl115:
Ratel ZT3A2

With penetration of 1000mm RHA @and a range of 5km it can kill any modern tank in the world:

The same ZT3A2 missile will be used on the new Badger IFV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t58VFhCvgw

Lol, same hyping; how many have been put into use.... Or you just design, make one and then scrap. Atleast the weapons Nigerians make are being battle tested everytime and remodeled constantly to deal with shortcomings, that's what is called development..... By the way, it's to be expected from South Africa being how early you guys started especially during the sadf era

GreenandGold:
- There's a war inside Nigeria, right? - YES
- It's between Nigerian armed parties believing in two different ideologies, right? - YES
- Each armed party wants to win in that region so they could implement their ideologies, right? - YES

Lol, the there was a war in Tunisia and Morroco then during the terrorists attacks, ohhhh the capitol invasion is a war then; sometimes common sense applies, don't let Google do simple analysis for you or those carrying guns shooting all around in the us......... Know what to take in and what not to take in otherwise you're no different from a robot

jl115:
How long did apartheid go on for?? and if you didn't notice poverty figures have decreased dramatically since 94 as well as the black middle class surpassing the white middle class as well as in the next 5 years there will be more non white HNWI than White HNWI.........aslo considering the ANC is on its way out those figures will accelerate after 2024.

Just remember poverty figure for Black SAns 22% poverty figure for Nigeria 40%

ANC out, sure about that?....... Nigeria is going through a precarious situation but sometimes using dollars to determine wealth per capital not considering the cost of living is somehow based to me

GreenandGold:
Jeez, I was talking military spending here, let's not talk human development index because that's where you will get slayed to kingdom come. Let's keep in the defence.

Lol, you brought a supposed civil war that isn't happening

jl115:
maybe you forgot a little thing called apartheid my bru and the Black middle class has now overtaken the white middle class...as for HNWI it isn't far behind

Apartheid is over 2 decades now; if you keep on with that mentality in 6 decades there won't be any difference.

jl115:
You mean in a country where there are the same number of non-white millionaires as white millionaires and where the black middle class is bigger than the white middle class............and also the country where the average black SAn earns 3 times more than the average Nigerian and is much less poverty stricken than the average Nigerian?

Why won't they be bigger , look at the comparison ohhhhhhhhh; South Africa population is 60+ million and whites(afrikaners) about 4+ million........ Why won't the black middle-class population be bigger,if they're not bigger then it's a big slap on your faces ....... For you to even compare it, it even solidifies my point. Cost of living here in Nigeria is very low compared to the South Africa

GreenandGold:
Actually, considering that you're having a "civil war" in your own country, you're underspending in your military.

Civil war, where?.... Have you talked about the extremely High crime rates in southie, the big disparity between the black and the Afrikaners(constitutes of 9% of your population), one lives in generational wealth; owns over 60% percent of your natural resources(mines) as their personal hand-me downs to their younger generation and the other lives in slums which is the main cause of the crime rates. Every nation have their own problems

Nemesis4you:
ISR element has always been part of artillery since WW1 ( same with armour )

Artillery batteries have had aviation units allocated to them for spotting, fire direction, fire correction, BDA etc

What the drones bring into play when deployed in support of artillery is - reduced cost, high volume of ISR and elimination of risk to pilots

So with time drones will more or less replace the manned platforms in support of ISR for artillery

Cant comment of bayraktar , no info with me regarding same

Alright thanks for the correction

Off-topic:
They recognize africa now as a sleeping giant, no-one looked at our side until the world was shaken; now usa is giving us sweet weapon deal but what about our human rights that they claimed before, remembering our travails for "turbo-prop" aircrafts with Obama administration before trump made the deal not even a f-16 or f-35.The world is more than China, India, Europe and North America, not seeing any signs of cancer here though atleast he is not fully bald or shaven here but I must say, he is an eloquent speaker. After this european crisis bet that trade will return back to normal with Russia and Europe in the shadows before it comes to light little by little



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI0VmcMG64

Odunayaw:
He brought from a site usually kept away from sunlight.


What I'm trying to say is... He pulled it out of his arse

Free the sir, every country has that over-patriotic elder. It's perfectly normal

QuietMynd:

Lol, you didn't notice since...... It been clear as day, he has even gotten nicknames due to that

Nemesis4you:
Well depends in my opinion

In contested air space (peer to peer conflicts) standalone, ucavs will/might struggle but it doesn't not mean that they won't be effective at all bec as usual tactics , support elements etc will play a role to determine effectiveness

But as part of a composite group with manned assets effectiveness will be more imo , ie manned unmanned grouping will enable them to draw from the strengths of each other

Though with time into future as ucavs start leveraging new technologies like ability to operate autonomously, self aware AI enabled swarming etc their capabilities will to an extent rival those of manned aircrafts , but not replace imo

At tactical level man portable drones r welcomed asset they provide a vertical envelop to the infantry previously not available

If uavs and artillery can be incorporated together, it will be great. Like for example in the ukro-russo war, look at the cheap orlan-10 and the roles it's presently playing in the war; it doesn't have those fancy things like americans reapers drones but russo made full use of the cheap drone in this war. I feel honestly that ukraine didn't use bayraktar drones to it's full potential

kabe1:
This documentary is still not out. I'm looking forward to it.

I wish we could have documentaries like this from Nigeria.

Yes, if it's possible; it will be great. Not been this expectant for a documentary before

Remember that "written order" that I posted here earlier, about the deployment of tb-2 bayraktar to "dangerous zones". With the way it been awfully quiet about the drones, we can all agree that the report was somewhat true!!!

GreenandGold:
The worst thing that ever happened to the SA economy was the dual-economy that was created in the 50s and took deep root in the 1970s... Eg, the GPD is the 32nd largest in the world BUT the stock exchange is the 20th largest.... There's a mismatch.... If it was not for the dual economy, the GPD ranking should be somewhere between 17th-20th position in the world.

So, China never suffered from the dual economy, almost everyone was poor in the 1950s to 1980s, to almost everyone being middle-class currently. With an economy like China's, you can apply a single "shock" policy to the economy and it applies to everyone. With the SA economy, you apply a single policy, it gets one section of the economy very wealthy and leaves the other part still poor... eg, during the economic expansion of the Thabo Mbeki era, SA shops, communication and bank services spread out of the SADC region to some parts of Africa, guess which economy grew the most? the guys who already own shares or suppliers of products to those expanding shops.

At the end, no one has been able to fix the dual-economy issue, both the ANC policies or the Democratic Alliance's policies in the Cape have not come up with any solution to the problem of the economy.

Rome wasn't built in a day, it just takes time and sacrifices to outgrow the old system that have taken deep root; or maybe the people profiting from it doesn't want it to change.... I don't know, you know best

GreenandGold:
Sea Rescue Services with the SAAF

It's an undeniable fact that SAAF, has one of the best airforces in Africa, especially among sub-saharan Africa and the first manufacturers in the defense industry in sub-saharan africa but what makes china a world power among those super ones are it's population.... So population plays a critical role and economy

Some people get courage sha, documentaries coming out, one by one.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIaHQET_M7I

GreenandGold:
This is where you should direct your sentiment;

Well, you called him out na , btw I can attest to some of his claims

Balogunodua:
The question is...where are the evidence of this loss...you can't just make that up without concrete prove of videos or even pics..

I'm I suppose to take Oryx blog serious or what?


Or the western mouth piece called Forbes...Aljezerera would have been better, but they also spread fake news sometimes.

Just free him, Everyone is free to believe whatever they want till after the war.

GreenandGold:
..and no, we have not lost because it was never about winning anything... I would take the SANDF over the Nigerian Armed Forces, you would take the Nigerian Armed Forces over the SANDF because you have your own patriotic reasons...

END OF STORY

Then why the whining since 3 days ago, you claim sandf but always talking about SADF of "Afrikaners"

[quote author=GreenandGold post=113677759][/quote]Take a break and accept your L's and move on. Not this childish banters, you southies are displaying here

Alright, Russian missiles technology have undoubtedly played a huge role in this war and I will definitely say it was impressive with no official record of one being shot down by air defence system in Ukraine. I'm kind of in a dark about American missile technology, any war that Americans actively used their missiles in combat; how impressive is it compares to the rus, have their missiles been combat tested?

I'm not talking about ICBM, but kalibrs and it's likes

kabe1:
Other areas of discussion I will raise will cover;

- Artillery

- Tactics

- Effective use of Propaganda in warfare.

Don't forget Economic aspect