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ImperialYoruba:
These people na small pikin compared to Yoruba nau. Beside the Oba, witchcraft, selling pussy in Libya and Italy, what else Edo get? Nothing.

They see other people poking Yoruba in the eye and no consequence so they want to join and poke us too. Thats how I view their opposition to Yoruba. Can Edo measure up to any other state in the South? No. So we should view them as small pikin, our small brother, and show pity and kindness to their situation.

My Yoruba brothers abeg release them, let them go bac to worshipping their Oba. I take Oduduwa beg una. Im sure they have learnt their lesson from this face off and will be guarded about utterances against Yoruba.

Oduduwa a Gbe wa o!

Edo people make una open hear listen well well. Yoruba no need you, nothing you get wey we no get in abundance and even at superior scale and authority. Just because we call you our cousins no mean say we go become your foot mat. Una suppose to join with us sef fight other people here but instead na una go camp with others begin ridicule Yoruba. Una don miss road. See as everybody dey progress around you but you dey one spot since 1700 and even now sef una still dey carry nonsense for head instead of join with us and lets do to Edo politically what we have done to progress Yorubaland in politics. Your Oba and Oyo Oba na same father born them. Compare where Oyo state dey and look where Edo state dey. You cant be left behind. Make una take this to be lesson learnt and leave my people alone. We no bother you, why una dey always find our trouble? Make we allow peace.

Waado!

Comparing Edo state to other Yoruba states in terms of developments and revenue generation, Edo beats all except Ogun state, so don`t deceive yourself.. You can go check it out for yourself.
If you calling our women prostitutes that fine, go ahead, but don`t forget that Yoruba wives are the highest adulterous women in Nigeria, cheating on your fathers`destinies.. That too is a fact!!

Obalufon:
What's the yard stick?...it seems you want your head to lost .. Stupidity is not bravery ..

I don't want my head to lost that's why I stop thinking about ur case.. and won't respond to u in kind becos of ur brother moorish..

OKUCHI11:
sorry I didn't do history in secondary school... any history text to recommend??

The Igala staged a suprise attack on Benin City, coming in through the creeks undetected till they arrived at the door of the capital and started their attack.. After days of fighting the Benin forces was able to repel the attack and chased the Igala army back to Igala and then that was when the real war started. A war which the Benin Kingdom won resoundingly and Igala became a vassal state to Benin.

So it is not as if the Igalal army marched all the way from Igala conquering towns till they reach Benin city.. They wouldn't have pass the Afemai regions, not to talk of the fierce Ishan lands in the middle.. They would have been defeated at the Northern province the Kingdom..

LorDBolton:
Lmao

I actually don't think the igbos were used in the expedition against Benin.. It was the Hausas and Yorubas.. and possibly Ijaws too..

PierreAbutu:
Go and read your history well
Afterwards u will be eligible to converse with me.....PS.....not wikipedia or Nairaland history

Why are you giving incomplete historical account? or are you Yoruba? They the ones hating on the achievements of Benin Empire..
Go read again the Benin-Igala wars in the 16th century.. where do you think Queen Idia got her fame from? or you don't know that after the wars finally ended Igala became a Benin vassal state paying annual tributes till it was finally free when the Fulani Jihad started.

Moorish:
Those technologies do look alien for sure

There will be people in the know

The masses obviously would be denied access to these details

The peculiar thing about area 51 is that it will have to be in the middle of nowhere, and its workers/scientists would have to live and die there with no accesss to the outside world

some wild s.hit

Yes its all weird.. I think it is better its all kept secret.. Imagine the chaos if everything was revealed? the world as we know it will change..
beliefs, morality.. even humanity may be lost.

Moorish:
@davidnazee do you know numerous ex USA military generals and army personell have come out to verify that aliens did land in the usa in the 50s??

And that area 51 is actually not a rumour?

Its all on youtube

But the US government want to suppress these things

They have pieces of alien craft and tech they are hiding and researching

Yes area 51 is true.. I live in North America.. most of the technology the US military uses are actually Alien technology... and there have been confirmed reports about alien sightings.. some weeks ago there was a report on CNN saying that we are not alone in the universe.. but they didnt analyse it further..
we are waiting for more revelations..

BabaRamota1980:
Any ekladheran in the house is welcome to answer this simple question.

Babaramota, do you know where Mamaramota is? Baba Ibeji just entered your compound wearing only wrapper ooo.. Dey here dey mumu yourself as usual.

Moorish:
@davidnazee

My Benin friend once told me the walls of igodomigodo were built by a giant

He even knew the name of the giant, can't remember it

Have you heard this before?

Its the legend of myth of Aruan the giant.. Its just myths and fables, not actually true.. The moats and walls were built by ordinary people, and took hundreds of years to build.

Moorish:
Ancient Zimbabweans claimed they saw Ogun once in battle procession

He was apparently a Robot

He had gauges, cables, tubes as part of his body, he was 15 feet tall

He ran when they saw him and hid

I heard this from Credo Mutwa

Some mad s.hit bro

I watched a lot of credo mutwa videos.. The guy says some mad shit.. I actually believe we don't really know alot about the universe we are in.. There might actually be advanced civilizations greater than ours somewhere in the universe.. Most of the technology we use these days are believed to be alien technology.. Ever wondered how come in the thousands of years of human existence it took us just the past 100yrs to jump rapidly in technological advancement?

Moorish:
Nri's royal founder, Eri, is said to be a 'sky being' that came down to earth and then established civilization

<<<<That is Igbo>>>>

Benin, once known as Igodomigodo, was the kingdom of rulers who regarded themselves as sky-kings, those whose divine rule is derived from the sky – Ogiso

<<<That is Edo>>>

The gods of the Yoruba (called “orishas”) live in Orundu-nla, the sky. The first city of the Yoruba was Ife, founded by Obatala, but it now lies under water

<<This is Yoruba>>>

Don't you brothers see that there is a deep link!

Linguists have long posited that Yoruba, Edo, Igala and Igbo were one language 1500 years ago

Chew on that

Just for humour sake: don't you think that all these sky gods these different tribes are talking about are actually aliens from advanced worlds who visited the planet in early times and showed themselves to the people at that time? There is actually talk about that in the science world.

Moorish:
That's deep

Ifa is not juju or idol worshiping.. It is a knowledge of divination..
I believe it was brought down to West Africa from either the ancient Sudan or Arabs lands.. I may be wrong but I heard it long time ago from a Yoruba friend..

Moorish:
You can also admire some amazing achievements from Yoruba past

For instance

Borgu conquered us and exiled our king at some point

We re-organized, invaded Borgu and made Borgu a vassal.

The defeat of Borgu by Oyo was absolute

We were one of the first Africans, if not the first to use and invent the hand looms

We made fine clothed garments

We also created a mythology/religion of Ifa

Our organizational structure in Oyo Empire was also quite impressive

We had a monarch, who was not absolute but answerable to his chiefs

If you say the Yorubas created Ifa, then it is not real because it is the creation of man.. Ifa was brought to West Africa and choose to settle in Ife.. From there all Africans can tap from its power..

Moorish:
Your people spawned an amazing civilization that all Africans can and SHOULD be proud of

Its highly reminiscent of Rome to me

I have always been proud of Benin from time immemorial

I also am partly Edo, I mean I was born in Edo lands and grew up around your folk.. So it will be sacriledge for me to be enemy of the land of my birth

The arguement is because our fathers never wrote down their histories

We were an oral history people

Lost in translation

I also plan on stealing some cool ideas from the ancient Edo Kingdom

Some gems you Edos have forgotten about

Thats how you build civilization

If I succeed you will all hear and see the things I speak of

Nevertheless advice your brethren to leave the past and instead look at their present.. History doesn't favor them in comparison to Edos' history.. I admire the Yorubas present achievements not their history..

Moorish:
To my Edo cousins, Battle of Atakpamé

Research that

You said Oyo's were cowards

Well, I do not believe I am a coward, nor my brethren

My ancestors defeated the ashanti in battle. Battle of Atakpamé

We also subdued Dahomey.

I also admit that Benin Kingdom was a formidable force and I take great pride in that african kingdom as well

I will also admit that Oyo was less powerful than Benin when the white imperialist came here

Why?

Fulani invasion and internal fighting

Benin was the last to fall in Nigeria

So mad respect to Benin

However,

I think you guys had a lot of factors to your advantage

Territorial advantage

The fulanis did not have a clear path into benin

You also had alot of wealth in benin territory

Rubber, Palms

The white man wanted to trade with your fertile region

Nonetheless, you have alot to be proud of

So do my people

Peace brothers

I think its better you Yorubas let the Edos celebrate their famous history and heritage and the Yorubas should celebrate and tout their present achievements which is also remarkable.. The Yorubas out of jealousy for Edos achievements are the only ones crying wolf.. You don't see Igbos or any other tribe coming out to vomit rubbish about Edo history or people unlike the Yorubas.. Your jealousy stinks badly..

Olu317:
Look at your ignorance! Atakpame is a settlement of Yorubas in Togo, Sabe in Bénin Republic, Ketu is Bénin Republic, Yoruba are in Ghana. Yoruba are all over Southern America and Northern America.

And Atakpame is an independent nation? Those Yorubas in countries u mentioned are all independent nations?
And to show how much of a mugu u are.. Those people u mentioned in South America went there themselves from Ife to form independent nations? Are Yorubas the only tribes exported as slaves from Africa? Maybe Igbos can claim independent Igbo nations too in South America then abi.. Which Yorubas are in North America? Are u refering to the ones that travel there with visas? Every national is in North America mugu..
You can continue celebrating your enslavement its your choice I don't care but you still don't make any sense at all..

MetaPhysical:
^^^

Kindly read what you wrote up there. Do you not see you are self-patronizing?

Every parent desire for their children to outdo them. At what point does a son of the noble stop being an appendage to his aristocrat father, and make name for himself?

Ile Ife has spun so many independent nations around the globe and each of them has name recognition devoid of attachment. Why couldn't Edo in all the years of service and loyalty you have dedicated to worshipping your foreign Oba, make a name for yourself devoid of Bini Kingdom?

Give it a thought before you reply.

I’m still trying to think why you yorubas will just take to lying to your fellow Nigerians that know u too well as the most coward and weak tribe in Nigeria..
The only reason I can come up with is that u trying to feel good within yourselves which may be okay for u but doesn’t change the fact that you still a cowardly tribe.

MetaPhysical:
^^^

Kindly read what you wrote up there. Do you not see you are self-patronizing?

Every parent desire for their children to outdo them. At what point does a son of the noble stop being an appendage to his aristocrat father, and make name for himself?

Ile Ife has spun so many independent nations around the globe and each of them has name recognition devoid of attachment. Why couldn't Edo in all the years of service and loyalty you have dedicated to worshipping your foreign Oba, make a name for yourself devoid of Bini Kingdom?

Give it a thought before you reply.

Actually what you just wrote don’t make any sense..
and what nations have Ife spun around the globe?
You lies don’t go beyond this forum so what’s the point of it?

MayorofLagos:
This address is to Edos.

From written records the first people and Kingdom the sea merchants traded with was Itsekiri. After that the Bini Kingdom.

[b]We are in 2000s, Europeans have been coming to your land since 1400s, if not earlier. You should pay attention to the way Europeans write about you, against their style when writing about others. When they write about Itsekiri they just say Itsekiri, they never qualify it as Itsekiri Kingdom. When they write about Ijo, they just say Ijo. When they write about Yoruba they never say Yoruba Kingdom. So why do they always, without exception, write about you in the context of your Kingdom? This is so because they recognize a blend, an homogeneity between Itsekiri King and his people, Ijo King and his people, Yoruba King and his people. In your case they see a heterogeneous society - the foreigner aristocrat King that maintains a distinct separation in class and status from the indigenous class of chiefs.

Go to any museum or library abroad and say you are looking for materials on Edo people. They will remark and say 'Aahh, that's the Bini Kingdom!" Why can't Edo be recognized for what it is without reference to Bini Kingdom? If you ask for material on Yoruba they will respond and say we have on Ife, Oyo, Ketu, Ijesha, Egba, Ekiti, Owo, Ijebu, Lagos, Popo, Ilorin, and so on....no one ever says "Oooh, the Oyo Empire".[/b]




Cheers!

Your envy of Edo peoples achievements is very glaring.. Your words just show how shallow minded and full of self pity you Yorubas are.
You twist a recognition of a people's achievements into negative so you can feel good about the failures of your ancestors.
First of all its not Bini Kingdom, its Benin Kingdom.. and also Yoruba didn't even invent the spelling "Bini" you didn't have any alphabets or writings so don't come up with the excuse of European version or Yoruba version..

Now for your idiotic analysis..
I guess you have never set foot outside Nigeria or interacted with any Europeans hence your myopic analysis.. If an Italian identifies himself as Italian, the roman empire which they built comes to mind, so also if someone says he is Egyptian the Pyramids comes to mind. If Someone says I am English you think of the British Empire. If I say I am Edo of course they will say "ahh the Benin Kingdom" because the fame of the Mighty Benin Kingdom is easily remembered.. If you say you are Yoruba they will not think of the Benin Kingdom because everyone know Benin Kingdom belongs to the Edos.. When I was in school here, one of my professors asked me what part of Nigeria am I from.. I told him I am Edo and he said "the people that built the famous Benin Kingdom" He had read alot about the Kingdom and I could see the pride in his eyes as he talked about our Kingdom and the struggle against white imperialism (He is Jamaican).
Only a jealous and self pitying fool will twist that recognition of an achievement into negative.

And you are right when you said if you identify as Yoruba nothing comes to mind, no Oyo empire because even the Europeans know that its just fable and myths.. so of course they will simply say the Yoruba people.. Nothing else to discuss, no achievements, no legacy, only history of suppression and enslavement which nobody wants to talk about these days so as not to stoke feelings of self pity and depression among you..

As for the Itsekiri and the Ijaws you mentioned.. If an Itsekiri man identifies himself, Chief Nana comes to mind, also the Ijaws too, King Jaja is easily remembered.. They are remembered for their struggles and are recognized as African heroes.. So associating nothing to those tribes is an insult to the legacy their ancestors left behind. (mind you, they are Edos too).. Even the Igbos are associated with their struggles for Biafra and fight against oppression and also for their ingenuity.. But again if you mention Yoruba still nothing comes to mind.. No heroes, no legacy, no achievements.. only pain and suffering caused by their weak nature is remembered.

What else can a people be recognized for if not achievements and legacies left behind? While our ancestors left legacies of strength and conquests, yours left weakness, self enslavement, defeats and cowardice..

You are the most shallow minded of the Yorubas here.. It is only a weakling that tries to turn someones achievements into negative because of his own failures.. I hope you know the real meaning of the word "Yoruba" given to you by the Hausas? You just defined it now with your analysis.

EazyMoh:
OMG! When did the brits circumvent Benin Kingdom to go up north and recruit foot soldiers?

Are u a Nigerian or didnt u study history 101 in school to know that the British already had Hausas and Yorubas enlisted in its army it used in conquering all of Nigeria? Well maybe ur tribe surrendered to the Brits without a fight so you won't understand..

PierreAbutu:
Oga, I never called IGALA an empire

IGALA is a tribe...that once defeated the Benin empire
Look for an elder from Benin Kingdom, sit down and converse with him and he'll confirm what I'm saying if he's honest

Igala defeated Benin once and in return Benin turned Igala into a vassal state.. It became a Benin subject paying annual tribute.
Anyways I guess ur tribe have no history or heritage as rich as Benin's..

MayorofLagos:
I give salute and respect to all my Yoruba brothers in here. I acknowledge your good works and output. You have done impressively well and gained the upper hand in this matter. How you guys pulled that ekhaladeran stunt off beats me! That was a major beat down in my opinion. Kudos guys!

Baba I thank you oo! I have actually been on and off as guest since page 10 and observed things from the side. Im coming in because I felt we should set some truths on both sides about this whole drama.


I address this to my people.

Let us be mindful and stay consistent on what we know to be truthful. Has anyone ever thought about the etymology of Bini? How about the etymology of Edo? Both of these words have origin in Yoruba. Bini is corrupted from Ibinu and Edo is corrupted from Ado. The etymology of Bini is the Yoruba word for vexation. If it was possible to own rights to the name Bini, Oranmiyan would hold the right. Oramiyan coined the name in his native Yoruba language. The name was then donated to a new found-land. How about Edo, how did it come about? This one will need a bit explanation. The root word is "do". "Do", as in sex is a living application of the root word. The etymology of the word is "coupling". I am not a linguist nor an ethnographer but the few things Im learning in Yoruba has helped to expand my curiosities and spheres of knowledge. Yoruba philosophy teaches the duality and opposite forces of nature. Anytime you "couple" the opposite you yield a result. We don't know what result will come out, so we proactively approach Ifa to give us guidance. To settle a place our ancestors used the Ifa geo-matrix to "Te Do". Where Ifa says settle, they named it "A do". They will perform "etutu" (sacrifice) and "irubo" (offering) and placate all the forces of nature and element to couple on that spot and bring about a sacredness. This is the knowledge behind the sacredness of the many ADO towns in Yorubaland.

The party that left with Oranmiyan from Ife did not go to Bini or Edo, these names did not exist then. They first settled at a land that geo-matrix picked. On this land they performed ritual of sacred coupling and named it Ado. It later became known as Udo. The foreigners from lfe settled Udo.

Udo was not the land of the Ogisos. The Ogiso land was Igodomigodo and this is where Oranmiyan renamed to Ile Ibinu. With time culture and civilization of the foreigners became the mainstream social order and Ogiso went into disuse, likewise Igodomigodo. The ruler is no longer Ogiso but is now Omo N'Oba N'Udo. With time the two capitals, Udo and Bini, became one after the Oba relocated from Udo to Bini. At that point Edo had become the preferred use. So Bini and Edo were imports that replaced Igodomigodo. Bini represents political power, Edo represent the spiritual energy.

So it makes sense as some of you have done to separate and acknowledge ownership of Bini and shield it from denigration. The opponents we are debating against are descendants of Igodomigodo, not Bini or Edo, but we will concede Edo for them because they are the indigenous owners of the land, Oranmiyan did not bring land from Ife. Therefore let's be mindful, Yoruba insults ourselves when we insult Bini. We do justice when we insult Edo and igodomigodo.



The other point I want to make is I am very proud of the way you guys don't engage them in the caustic use of vulgar and abusive language. You are capable of returning the favor, no doubt....but they showed sign they were falling apart and had no logical and superior points left to argue on beside repetition. The emptiness could not be concealed they bursted out with name calling and shooting below the belt. They collapsed under the weight of your pressure.


Oodua A Gbe wa!

This your last comment in bold just proved u jumped into the fight from page 10 like you rightly said.. Who started the vulgar and abusive language if not your useless brothers..
As for your own interpretation of the origin of the word "Edo" I will take it as another rant of a Yoruba man trying to promote his failed race..

Why is it that if Yoruba want to claim historical achievements they quickly point Benin Monarchy and kingdom as theirs yet your own Yoruba lands there is nothing for u to be proud of.. Yet this Same Benin Monarch led his Edo people to conquer and rule much of Yoruba lands for over 500yrs.

Please if you cannot prove that Benin Kingdom didn't conquer and rule all of Eastern Yoruba then go back to where U coming from or u go collect fire tire.. And as for your name MayorofLagos, don't forget Benin owned Lagos till British helped Akintoye to take it away..

If You say Oranmiyan should own the rights to the name Bini, then it will be right to say the Hausas should own the rights to the name Yoruba since they named you Yoruba, a name which you have generally accepted to be known as. (mind you, Edos do not accept the name Bini, we prefer to be called Edo).

You say Ado means people have sex.. You are a sick and depraved person.. Where did that come out from?? Well its ur people that are called Ados anyways..

Obalufon:
were you there na that beheaded part sweet pass for your mouth..and i can tell you are fucking lowlife coward na only mouth edo people get nothing more false pride on nothing Fulani herds man dey your back yard go tackle them

na me say make ur ancestors no fit fight bravely? A coward always have his head taken off.. Same fate befell ur forefathers..

Moneywomen17:
This thread sweet die Chai

why e no go sweet you.. U still never identify ur gender or try correct the impression ur useless brother Olu don give us about u..

Obalufon:
You people are animals you can't be ruled indirectly you need to be ruled directly with brutal force . The north was also ruled indirectly because they have a good system of governance likewise south west too ..Also they were very sensitive about ruling us direct they knew the implication you can't rule an empire directly or caliphate directly there will be uprising ..but a little kingdom you can rule

Of course u must praise and follow behind your Northern masters.. before nko?
Yorubas always a slave..

Moneywomen17:
history 104 the edo chief in akure and the citizen along with Benin weakling warriors living there were all killed in akure and offer to the gods as sacrifice to cleanse the land chai no be today people don dey suyanized edo boys soon after they came to ur land and the male slaves taking were use on yam plantation why the female edo slaves were use for pleasure after eating strong pounded yam. Ur ancestor don suffer no be small chai

History 104.. Benin sent a punitive expedition to Akure to punish the city for the killing of the Benin administrator of Akure and Edo citizens.. Result was the crushing of the Akure people, part of the city burnt, ur traditional ruler tried and executed and it princes jailed in Oko prisons in Benin.

History 105.. Your Oluyin of Uyin was killed in his fight against Benin. His dead body paraded along the streets of Uyin and later burnt.
Yoruba una weak ooo.

Moneywomen17:
in this thread alone we already found out Benin attack some few kingdom in ekiti who later came back for revenge and took their land and women and also their ogiso is dumb and elkhadaren is a fraud let’s see what davidnaze will expose to us next

History 103.. The Yoruba princes were also found guilty of complicity in the riots against Edos and were sentenced to prison in Benin with hard labor cutting grass along Benin city streets.
Your ancestors weak sha..

Moneywomen17:
e pain am well u Benin boys are very dumb that’s why yoruba dynasty rules u and if that’s not enough the Yoruba still came to ur village and it conquer and u had to beg instead. Despite u earlier advantage with Portuguese gun the ekiti who got it later whoop ur ass like a kid and today now the area occupy by actual Benin in Edo State is not as big as ondo State that’s what u called conquest. Till today u will kill for the Yoruba dynasty ruling ur village lol.

History 102.. After ur Deji was captured, Benin put him on trial, found him guilty and sentenced to death by beheading..
kpele.. blame ur ancestors for that.

Moneywomen17:
finally something to hold onto I don dey torture u no be small

Finally indeed lol. After 70 pages of damaging you and ur Yoruba brothers Na now u think u have something? U Yoruba are really slow sha.. no wonder we ruled ur ancestors for over 500yrs till u came up with the idea of selling yourselves so as to be free of Benin.
No worry, u never get anything on me yet, u have to wait 500yrs before u can think of something real to use against me..

Moneywomen17:
deal with what my Ekiti people came to ur land and came for blood and blood they got by killing ur chiefs and taking ur land u are the one who has something to deal with e pain u well

Wetin pain me? is it the fact that my people conquered and ruled ur people for over 500yrs? or the fact that ur coward ogedengbe fled when he hear say Benin Dey come? He no even wait to see he run as soon as he heard.. E no Dey pain me, I Dey celebrate my ancestors for leaving me a good legacy..
How do u feel when u see Yoruba history filled with conquered and subjugation by different tribes? Yoruba was like a gold rush, every tribe rushing to conquer you. Even WOMEN conquered you.. If to say Ibos near una dem for conquer una too and that wud have even be worse because the ibos are very aggressive..

Moneywomen17:
same incoherent jargons

But your mumu brother Olu just confirmed that u are indeed strange and confused which is typical of Yoruba people lol.
Tell us confused individual, are u man or woman or a delusional person?

Moneywomen17:
again bla bla bla betrayal ibo taught u well. What he said pain u wella

My fathers conquered and ruled your fathers deal with it..