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PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:03pm On Dec 27, 2020
Property Development: The Process to Follow for Success


When it comes to developing property, there’s a lot more to buying, improving, and selling property than meets the eye. Most successful property developers follow a process with several common steps, from pre-purchase and concept stage all the way through to completion.

Though the order of these steps may vary between developers, the process of developing property is typically broken up into the following elements:1

The initial idea
Refining that idea
Assessing how feasible the idea is
Contract negotiation
Contract completion
Construction begins
Project completion
Management of that property

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:47pm On Dec 27, 2020
Commonsense101:
Scrap the licensed by SON and FG talk. means nothing.

It's not about setting up shop in Nigeria, the question is do you deliver quality?
The same backyard manufacturers who produce the shitty qualities we castigate and hate so much can setup shop real easy and brand it made in Nigeria. Yes it's made in Nigeria, but what are you making ? Just saying.

Not to knock them or anything , but Looked them up and doesn't seem to be that much of a "standard manufacturing " going on. Again, just saying
If retailers succeeded in rebagging foreign rice smuggled into Nigeria and claimed same to be local rice, then the regulators are not doing much as expected.

Quality control needs to be worked on

DPR I know always come in when there are claims of adulterated petroleum products in circulation. Hence, we witness sealing of many Gas Stations across the country
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:39pm On Dec 27, 2020
zuraking:
oga mi, let's not be missing things up grin

If you started this your house April and you are doing finishing already by now that means your house no be Kobo Kobo house.

We the Kobo Kobo house owners start foundation and rest for 8months
set another block, rest for 5 month
finish lintel then rest for 1year
roof the house after 1 year rest for another 7 month
Start plastering and other finishing and house will be completed after 4-5 years. That's Kobo Kobo house grin

It's different from money that's on ground that you just go and pull out for the project non-stop .

We the poor Kobo house owners frawns at this your post. We know ourselves make you rich people no come dey take our place grin
Lol.

One of the things that helped us was the lockdown that lasted between March 31st to 4th May, 2020.

The guys that did the piling camped themselves at the site and continued working.

We had 23 pile points to bore, which was done in 20 days.

The span was 15/04/20 to 10th May, 2020
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:33pm On Dec 27, 2020
n3xt:
One of the reasons I chose plasterboard/cement board over pop boards. And wallpapers over wall screed in certain areas.

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The floor tiles in the project below has been installed even before the POP and the wall finishing. It was actually a remodeling job.

Because we are using plasterboards, we were able to minimize the amount of debris generated.

Those pop guys sabi waste materials!
When it comes to materials management, they're not expert in that.

Once they see those white POP cement bags available on site, they get the courage to work and come back to you when they're low on supply.

From the images you posted, two things I noticed.

1. It's a remodeling, hence they're being careful not to mess up the walls/floors

2. They're not use full scaffolding as platform to get to the ceiling.

These two factors are responsible for the neatness of your job as shown in the image
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:28pm On Dec 27, 2020
Johntemmy:
Thanks God bless you sir.
You're a life saver in July, when you gave the correct timber prices.

Thanks bro
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 3:22pm On Dec 27, 2020
GoodFaith:
@davodyguy
PLEASE DONT TAKE YOUR TILER TO THE PLACE YOU ARE BUYING TILES
My brother you don't need your tiler
First thing
Get your Engineer to give you measurement
Go out there and look at tiles and get prices
Pick the type of tiles you want
Bring few of the tiles to your sit, get the tiler to review the tiles
Now tell the tiler go give you measurement-------"Time for your eye to Open"
Now go buy the tiles base on the Engineer measurement
Tell the tiles seller to MAKE SURE THE NUMBER OF YOUR TILES YOU BUY IS COMPLETE
Call the tiler to come start work
Tell the tiler the total piece of tiles you bought
That you will count each room IN PIECE
Thanks
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 3:13pm On Dec 27, 2020
Frayo82:
Hello I'm looking at roofing a 3 bedroom bungalow in Ibeju lekki and seeking advise on wood prices and best roofing sheet to save cost please.
Johntemmy
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 3:02pm On Dec 27, 2020
n3xt:
Amen to your prayers bro!

I know him at City of David. His death came as a rude shock to all.

2020 is not over yet. I pray God keep us save.
May the good Lord grant you the fortitude to bear the irreparable loss.
Wow.

Do attend COD too?
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 2:23pm On Dec 27, 2020
Guys
While we work and go about, let's not forget COVID-19 is real.

The attached image is for an uncle we lost to COVID-19 on Christmas Eve.

I've cried all night since then, cause it's a painful loss.

God that made us to witness January 1st 2020 will keep us alive to see many more years.

RIP uncle BJ

HealthRe: NAFDAC To Give Emergency Approval For N400bn COVID-19 Vaccines by davodyguy: 2:11pm On Dec 27, 2020
I want to be among first 10 Nigerians to be vaccinated.

NAFDAC, Please contact me
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 1:07pm On Dec 27, 2020
JWTheocracy1:
Attention please!!! Who can deliver 200 bags of cement to Aba at a location close to faults rd between now and Tuesday at a very affordable rate of maybe #3500 or a little more?
n3xt, can you assist him with Lafarge?
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:55am On Dec 27, 2020
One of the many reasons not to attempt tiling before wall Screed or POP ceiling design is the amount of debris and stains to be generated

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:09am On Dec 27, 2020
n3xt:
Including sand or pure cement?

What’s the thickness?
Thickness? In all honesty I don't know.

But the lafarge cement is used along with plaster sand for the walls, then for the ground, they're mixing sharp sand with cement.

Do you have any contrary view?
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:56am On Dec 27, 2020
n3xt:
1 bag should do 4sqm
Great.

They've done about 51sqm now with 9 bags.

What we're using is the Lafarge supaset.

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:37am On Dec 27, 2020
[quote author=n3xt post=97463489][/quote]n3xt

Take a look.

On the average, like how many bags of cement can be used per sqm for tiling.

Once you respond, I'll tell you what my Beninois tilers have used for this bathroom wall

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:51am On Dec 27, 2020
EgunMogaji2:
I've always felt that Kobo Kobo project meant a builder done in stages as money or other related issue allows. As opposed to wiring N50M to a builder for a turnkey building.

Hajjs house was built as a Kobo Kobo project (in fact I think it was on this project that it was coined) but it's far from a low cost build.
Kobo Kobo project doesn't necessarily mean the builder is poor.

It simply means stage by stage development, rather than timed project done on contract basis where the contractor tells you it would cost ₦50m to finish the house and you out the amount in the bank.

I remember how I started my project.

I gave myself a 3 months timeline to roof, which we achieved.

We started the first of 23 pile points on 15th April, 2020 (during the lockdown) and roofed the building exactly on 15th July, 2020.

Took a break for 1 month, then moved to windows.
After windows, we started conduit piping in September.
By mid October, we moved to sight fully with wiring, plastering etc.
From November till date finishing commenced fully with tilers, POP guys, electricians, bricklayers etc everyone is there at the site now, hoping that by Mid January, we should be done.

We are over 70% done

It still a Kobo Kobo project done in stages
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:38am On Dec 27, 2020
EgunMogaji2:
It’s becoming a nauseating common occurrence on here.

People assuming that because they’re flogging stuff on here that we owe some allegiance of purchasing to them. And when people happen to get ripped off and come on here to vent off they’re made fun off. It’s not iwa omoluwabi.

Back in the haydays a lot of the heavy hitters taught us on here. People like Spyder880, Skimanski, Aventures, etc How many of us gave them jobs? How many of the sellers on here have ever sent a check to Seun?

We know when some of the alleged recent big boys were question asking pipsqueaks on here too.

I just don’t like mob mentality especially against one of us that got swindled.
Honestly, you've spoken wisely and I agree with you.

Making fun of people who suffer losses is not nice.

From every Negative situation, we must learn and then move on
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:33am On Dec 27, 2020
n3xt:
Hehe!!

It’s also much lesser than N5,000 when you buy from here and you’ll receive your order same day - not 6 weeks or 3 months after.

I never had to comb the whole of Lagos looking for what’s not lost. I only send my Uber driver to the company and they gave him my good.

That’s the big difference here bro!

I see my stuff, pay, obtain my warranty certificate and move. Shikena!


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You’re buying a product you’ve not seen from a seller you’ve not met and you think it’s cheaper than the ones you can see physically and obtain parts+labour warranty. What about the associated risks?

I no get una mind o!
For Alibaba and AliExpress, you're give about 25 days to open a dispute after confirmation of receiving your order.

If you have issues after the 15 days grace period, I think you're on your own. That's the difference.

But have it in mind that it's sometimes also difficult here to claim manufacturer's warranty in Nigeria. They can begin to tell you stories of how the damage is caused by power surge or improper handling.

But I think on this thread, we should start posting genuine places to source materials
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:53pm On Dec 26, 2020
n3xt:
Simonkk is a Chinese company producing lights here in Nigeria. They’re not stockist neither do they retail.

The company is in Ago Palace way.

Below are some of their lights produced here in Nigeria
I was reading till I saw the part that it's a Chinese company.

The thing for me is that some of these items from China are cheaper buying from Alibaba/Ali Express with same 'quality'

Close to 90% of items imported into Nigeria are from China, including the almighty Turkey Doors.l, but quality differs.

When I saw an invoice and bill of lading of one major importer that branded his bathroom items in his name which flood the market, I begin to wonder.

All his jacuzzi, shower cubicle are from China and they're branded in his name, with made in UK on it.

All na packaging.

The attached image is from Aliexpress. That Garden light can be ordered including shipping for a price lesser than ₦5000 from China

How much is it when buying from Nigeria?

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:44pm On Dec 26, 2020
twinskenny:
did I say I was happy? I didn’t say that....

The said client didn’t buy from me, he bought from another cheaper source... what do u want me to do?

Same way I went all the way from lagos to Asaba to advice a client on the choice of cable to buy but ended up buying the cheaper one and still spend more money.. by the way I am the one that handle both projects.
You're Yoruba and there's an adage that says:
Pẹlẹ ni akọ oni àbò (Sorry can be genuine or to mock)

It's like adding salt to injury for people who have suffered losses, when you point fingers at them for making mistake.

I lost an uncle to COVID-19 on Christmas Eve (24/12/2020).

His wife is also down with COVID-19 cause she's taking care of the husband and contracted it from him.

No one dare say she should have been careful while taking care of the husband. We dare not say such to a woman mourning.

I guess that what Egun is trying to point out.

Won ki ti ojú oníka mesan ká
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:35pm On Dec 26, 2020
EgunMogaji2:
He has no requirement to buy from here.
Just ignore that one talking nonsense, reason I chose to ignore him/her.

A lot of people here just jump on post without comprehending properly before jumping to respond to form Mungo Park

I never requested for a quote for tiles from anyone on Nairaland and no post of mine mentioned it.

I got quotes for Cables only from Topsy, but due to distance and urgency, I didn't buy from him. Cables are sold on the Island, known to people from far and near.

I bought all my cables from Lagos Island, but in the process, some of our dubious brothers there tried to swindle me, but I discovered on time and asked for a refund. That's for cables and not tiles.

The issue of tiles I talked about is on the Ebere guy claiming to have loaded, but failed to do so.

All evidences are against him and he has promised to either refund or replace missing tiles. They have association at that Odunade Building Materials Market and their Chairman said I can come with all evidences for them to deal with the matter. He said if it's true that he had the intention to cheat, they'll close his shop and hand him over to the police. Hence, my mind is at rest.

The sole aim of sharing is to enlighten others which I clearly stated in the post

1. When going yourself to buy anything, negotiate yourself if you don't trust your engineer, then pay your engineer a fee to go with you when going to pick.

2. To also ensure you take time to count your purchases before leaving and never trust the words of those that swore to you.

Some people can't comprehend simple write.

We're here to learn and all builders are free to source their materials from any where they choose and they can keep getting quotes from any where.

I remember how respond to many RFQ. We end up getting some and losing out on others. But that will not prevent us from still responding to RFQs.

Some sha want to talk, with comprehending what the post means.

Yes, 90% of dealers of cables in retail either in Alaba International Market or Oroyinyin, Idumagbo etc are Igbos. That's a fact and from this number, people that are trustworthy that can tell you not to worry, and you'll be satisfied are less than 30%.

It's same thing that the Ijebus like Shomolu area, Eguns like Makoko and Ijora Badia is dominated by people from 'Ilu Oke' (Kwara)

I have been dealing with guys at Oroyinyin, Idumagbo, Jankara Lagos Island since the days when Late Ademola Adeniji-Adele was the chairman of LILG and the days of Late Oba Oyekan, when we had this mass transit LMTC and LMTS operating in Lagos.

Those that are born in the 70/80s can relate.
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 9:02pm On Dec 26, 2020
gurunlocker:
Some don't understand being too careful is dangerous as well.... Some of these guys sell recoil wire and will use Coleman nylon to pack it.
At Oroyinyin, Idumagbo and Oyebanji in Lagos Island, ' our brothers' do that a lot.

That's a fact about Coleman cables.
Touch them and see how light they're. They print fake label and nylon bearing Coleman's name. Some of them are not so smart, that they misspell Coleman as 'Coneman'

Because this is my personal house, I was exposed to a lot of materials, thereby being able to differentiate.

Starting from being supplied 10mm reinforcement with a claim of being 12mm. My iron bender immediately told the supplier from Owode Onírin to return them immediately.

I saw used bamboo almost sold at price of new.

The opportunity for me is that from site setting out, to piling (when those criminals wanted to stop at 10metres depth instead of 26m recommended in soil test report) to ground beam, to decking, to roofing and now to finishing stage, I was involved and have a book I record things. From ₦2000 spent on mallam packing sand to ₦50,000 spent on Sharp sand, all are captured.

If this job was contracted out, I would have fought my contractor that he's cheating me.

We've spent over ₦36m from April, 2020 till this night.
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 7:41pm On Dec 26, 2020
topsy23:
Boss that price enh... Pure fake price
*2.5mm single wire red 7 rolls.
*2.5mm single wire black 7 rolls.
*1.5mm single wire green 7 rolls.
*20mm pipe 2 bundle.
*20mm coupler 1 packet.
*25mm pipe 1 bundle.
*25mm coupler 1packet.

I need all these latest 13:00 on Monday. They need to run the cables as they're fixing the tiles.

I'll appreciate if you can supply.

3rd Mainland bridge is closed to all traffic on Monday and I don't want to go to Oroyinyin or Idumagbo and meet another Nwosu for story to start that touch again grin
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 5:50pm On Dec 26, 2020
kopell:
Hahahah, when you frequently here God name from anybody you're negotiating with, it doesn't matter what tribe my brother run oooo. Not all igbos are bad people, bad people are in all tribes it's individuals that matters.
Next time, I'll tell the person to swear with Ogun, shopona, Amadioha, Thunder grin
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 3:39pm On Dec 26, 2020
n3xt:
I respect you bro for this.



Everything rises and fall on leadership.
It’s the government’s role to introduce statutory price and quality control to maintain smooth economy in nation.

The people in power knew what to do. They just don’t care.

For a very long time, we were getting cement at factory price in my ongoing project. The ministry supervising the project ordered the cement directly from Lafarge.

Let’s ask ourselves, what’s the work of SON, MAN etc?

I stopped patronizing retailers/agents a very long time ago. I buy direct from companies (Coleman, Lafarge, Dangote, Simonkk and the likes).

I count my stuffs on site.
This is painful, knowing my wife warned me not to deal with this guy.

A lesson for Kobo Kobo project owners.

Always count all you buy, from cement to tiles to cables to pipes to taps.

Count at the store, count again in the vehicle and when you get to site, recount.

Don't pay anyone until goods are supplied.

We must encourage retailers, that's what I thought. But some retailers are evil.

We're in Agric Market Orile, all through. While tried to make U turn to the other side, this guy did what he did and said no need to check.

On getting to site, we counted and found discrepancies. We called him and he lied that he loaded it before we came, which is why he said we should not bother recounting from the truck.

He said he's not going to the village for Christmas, but staying in Lagos.

We called him this morning not to take our words, that he should come to the site to count. The guy said he's in the village and not back till end of January, 2021

See life.

When God strike some people, we would not know they're paying for their evil deeds.

Too many wicked people in Nigeria.

₦130,000 plus gone on Christmas day
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 2:27pm On Dec 26, 2020
topsy23:
That is why you need to get professional to go or do it for you. Original dignity pipe in the market now is not less 7000 for 20mm pipe.

But some ibos will bring something similar that is difficult to bend when you get to site and waste alot of materials.
Ọgá, I just called you now.

I swear, I will never buy anything whatsoever from them again.

My office is on the island, and 20 mins from Idumagbo.

Remember I got all prices from you, but for distance, I went to Idumagbo to buy.

I spent over ₦1,800,000 on cables. Hear the truth, all your prices here are cheaper than I bought.

I regret not buying all those cables from you.
Even if you had made ₦100,000 profit from me, it's still ok, based on your truthfulness.

One Chinedu sold 20mm 7 packs. All were fake an they're breaking any how at the site

We blame government for everything, forgetting we have evil citizens that care about profit than safety of others.

They sell expired goods at Enu-Owa. They do all sorts of evil
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy:
BankeSmalls:
Baba calm down grin

Nothing to be angry about as you failed to do your checks. How can you tell us that you accepted him by his words, took the loaded tiles and left the market only to come back and complain here.

Do you know he can defeat you in a judgement?

Do you know that the drivers could also stop
along the way and reduce your tiles?

Do you know that your tiles might have disappeared right from your site?

Better check well before accusing people.
I don't usually engage in online exchange cause it adds nothing.

All the scenarios you posted are possible, but in this case none of them.

1. I was with the driver from Orile down to my site. Hence you case of driver is non-existent

2. Tiles are with me and immediately we offloaded we counted. So talking about site theft is also not the case.

What has happened is a clear case of deliberate intent to cheat.

Receipt showed ₦1,398,000
Amount paid ₦1,533,000

What was supplied Tally's with ₦1,398,000

But he lied that what he loaded tallied with what I paid, whereas that's a lie.

I hope you can read between the lines.

Matter of being defeated in court is DOA.
Receipt you issued showed a figure, but what he received as payment showed another figure.

Getting to court is for him to defend issuing a receipt with lesser figure vs accepting more than what he ought to have accepted
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 1:18pm On Dec 26, 2020
BankeSmalls:
So, you want to tell us that when you bought cables, one tribe cheated you, when you bought pipes, the same tribe cheated you, and you still carried your 2 left legs to enter their shop again just to get swindled, so you can come online and wail your hearts out? grin

Who do you this thing?
I'll not repeat such again.

Lesson learned.

When these guys sweet talk you and swear by God's name, you think they're saying the truth
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy:
When buying tiles, ensure you do the measurements accurately with your tiler and also ensure proper conversion from sqm to cartons and lastly if possible, after agreeing price with supplier, go with your tiler when going for pickup.

I just got swindled of 90+ cartons costing over ₦130,000.

Lesson learned.

I know all tribes in Nigeria have bad people, but we need to be wary.

When I bought cables, it's the same thing until I stood my ground.

When I bought conduit pipes, it's same thing. They sold fake 20mm at the price of original 20mm Dignity pipes. I stood my ground and returned all pipes

Now it's tiles from Orile.
This criminally minded Patrick Ebere knew what he did, smuggled all the tiles in the truck before my arrival to make U turn to the other side.
Swearing that ' ọgá the thing complete' 'maka why I go cheat you'

I said I'm coming to his shop, he said no that he has traveled to the East, whereas this bastard is right here in Lagos
SportsRe: Kyle Walker And Gabriel Jesus, Test Positive For COVID-19 by davodyguy: 2:29pm On Dec 25, 2020
Kinzo0917:
Corona is real. Guys, let be safe. Wishing all nairaland people happy � xmas �. May Corona never see us and our love ones. Psalms 91 be our guide
Some fools keep saying it's a scam and that Nigerian version is not real.

It's Poverty and the toughest of Nigerians that are making them survive it, not that we have a different version.

Nigerians are used to being sick with fever like symptoms. Hence, they would think it's same sickness
HealthRe: COVID-19 Update For December 24 2020 In Nigeria by davodyguy: 10:43am On Dec 25, 2020
lebete3000:
How old was he?
50
HealthRe: COVID-19 Update For December 24 2020 In Nigeria by davodyguy: 9:10am On Dec 25, 2020
ThierryJay:
Did you have to wait until it happened close to home before you believed? I've seen you here make mockery of the Covid situation in Nigeria saying its a scam. Now you are trying to preach to others who are also displaying ignorance like you did before. Now that it hit someone you know, is the Government/NCDC no longer cashing out or all those illogical excuses many covidiots give no longer apply here? I really want to say more but out of decorum please accept my condolences for your loss. And let your fellow peeps know that the thing does not respect anybody or Government whether cashing out or not.

Merry Christmas.
You must be in sane for falsely claiming what I have never said.

Review all my posts in 2020. I repeat, all my posts in 2020 that's COVID-19 related, I am an advocate of wearing mask and keeping social distancing.

I posted on social media that I want to be among the first 10 people to be vaccinated in Nigeria.

I really wonder what you smoked before you came up with this crazy lie about me

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