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PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:35am On Jan 19, 2021
diordaves:
Wahala dey o.

So what is the purpose of a survey plan if it is irrelevant in claims of ownership? I have done survey of over 1 million Naira; what's the purpose of that?
Survey Plan is very very relevant and one of the prerequisite in registering a title at the land Registry.

But is the survey plan it self a title that you can own and feel comfortable as the real owner of the land? The Answer is Capital No

You could have spent N5,000,000 on a survey plan and the land may not be yours at the end of the day


diordaves:
Now look at the heading of the plan, what is the caption?

Plan shewing........ belonging to....

In law what is the term: belonging to?

If this is not part of claim of ownership, abeg wetin I pay over one million for?
As regard the highlighted text, that is the normal 'language' by land surveyor to say 'belonging to' because you are the one that called the land surveyor and told him the land belongs to you. Hence, he will say what you told him and not necessarily because the land belongs to you.

Mind you, the same plan you attached here, can have your name on it and it will still show 'belonging to' That's why I said 10 survey plans can be drawn on a single land in the name of 10 different people and it would still have 'belonging to' on each of them.


diordaves:
Deed of Assignment is practically useless without an accompanying survey plan spelling out the coordinates. Or does Deed of Assignment in itself includes the coordinates?
The highlighted text is false at least at the Federal Land Registry in Ikoyi.

I registered 3 tiles all Deed of Assignment between Party A and Party B and I did not include a single Survey Plan. Fashola is the Minister of Works and Housing. Hence empowered by Law to sign all Deed of Assignment at the Federal level. Once he signs at the last page, that part is what would be attached to the Deed before the Registrar in Ikoyi would register the title for you.

In Lagos and in Ogun State, they pay more attention to survey plan than they do in Oyo State and at the federal level.


diordaves:
When my over one million Naira was being collected, I was told by my team that the survey plan perfects the Deed of Assignment. So this people don play me wayo.
The survey plan does not 'perfects the Deed of Assignment' but a prerequisite to having your deed of assignment registered.
Here is how it works in Lagos and why a registered Survey plan is important

1. Upon 'acquiring' a land in Lagos, the first thing to do is to draw up a survey plan.
2. The survey plan shows the coordinates, size of land, location, details of the land surveyor and acclaimed owner.
3. The plan is what your Lawyer needs to prepare the deed of assignment that would be executed between you and the vendor
NOTE
Items 1,2,3 above still doesn't make you the owner cause the Vendor that sold to you may not be the legal owner of that land.
4. After item 3, give the survey plan to your land surveyor to get it registered via NIS and Office of the Surveyor General
5. After registering the plan, attach to the deed of Assignment and take it to the lands registry
6. Land Registry would not start any process without first sending the survey plan back to the Office of the Surveyor General to obtain Land Information and confirm that the land is properly positioned and not under Government acquisition.
7. If your Survey plan passes item 6, it would be sent back to lands to start the process of Registering the Deed of Assignment.
8. This is when the real work starts. Land Registry will now start to dig deep into the root of title. Who sold it to you? Is there a dispute somewhere? Has the previous owner mortgaged the property? What is the position of the court? What is the position of LASG on it?
NOTE
Item 8 is the reason I said your Survey Plan does not make you the legal/lawful owner of the land. Your survey may pass at the Office of the Surveyor General and still fail at the land Registry.

If a Fraud is noticed at Lands Bureau, all the amount spent on acquiring the land or doing Survey has entered voice mail. The registrar of titles will never register that Deed of assignment for you. Hence, the registered survey plan is not more than a mere paper.

Survey plan is very crucial in the process of registering your Deed of Assignment, but that plan on it's own does not make you the owner of the land.

Take for instance, A man dies and willed his land to his 5 Children. The eldest (solely) among them decides to sell the land to you and you have a survey plan drawn. Of course you may pass at the office of the surveyor General and if possible pass at the Lands Bureau, obtain your consent or C of O. Just one thing will nullify your title and that is the day the other 4 children go to court that the land was sold to you without their consent, the court would set aside the transaction and issue an order that the Lagos State Governor revoke the C of O immediately and it would be done.
If this happen, the survey plan becomes useless.

What we always emphasize is root of title first.
You can buy land from the richest man in Nigeria who claims he owns the land and then spend N1 billion to do survey plan and have it Registered. These process still doesn't make you the owner of the land.


diordaves:
No need to do survey then. No good news for land surveyors because (God forbid) na hungry dey blow be that.
Once you carefully read my post above, you would know better the order of preference/importance
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 6:44am On Jan 19, 2021
kopell:
@davodguy can you please elaborate on what you said a little more. I do believe they all work hand to hand, is it possible to get land information without having the survey of the location.Shouldn’t that be the first clearance to move forward to register the red copy and lodge a survey, or is there any other way to get the land registered without land information clearance?. This is another eye-opening situation to me. Another abracadabra, when we think we see it all. There are a lot we never see oooo
I'll do a detailed explanation soon.
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:29pm On Jan 18, 2021
One4me:
But l understand that you cannot REGISTER the "RED COPY Survey" at the Land Registry, if another individual has registered a previous Red Copy Survey for the same land (same geo-cordinates), with the and Registry.
Apart from the first registered Survey at the registry, any other SURVEY will not be registered for the same land, at the Land Registry, and such survey is just a dimension drawings.

In essence, a properly registered Survey at the Land Registry, is PART of Title Document.
It is infact, the first Title Document, upon which other Title Docs will flow from.
You're mixing things up.

You register title at Land registry and not Survey plan.

Survey plan is always registered at the office of the Surveyor General, which is not the same as Land registry.

Survey Division is a ministry on its own, just as Justice, Education, Lands Bureau, Environment, Information, Physical Planning etc All these ministries can work in relation with one another, but are 100% independent


Registering your survey plan doesn't authenticate ownership, but a prerequisite to having your title registered at the land registry.

Taking a registered Survey plan to the land registry doesn't guarantee that the registrar of titles would register your deed of Assignment, as there are many hurdles to pass apart from survey plan.

10 people can have Survey plans drawn in their names on a single land.

It's a deed of Assignment that gets registered at Land registry not Survey plan.

The registrar of titles just need to sight the survey plan as an attachment to the deed, having cleared same with the office of the Surveyor General.

At the Federal Land Registry, they don't even pay much attention to survey plan, as much as they do with the deed of Assignment itself.

Once again, a Survey plan doesn't in any way certify you as the owner of any land.

A wife can tell a land surveyor to draw a plan in her name, get it registered and the husband can also do same on the same land 6 months after. Hence, Survey plan is not a deed of Assignment, neither is it a Certificate of Occupancy to confirm land ownership.


There are lots of articles on the internet by a lot of wannabes. Some are correct, some are misleading.

It's best one listen to professionals that do these things almost every day of the month for proper guidance.
TravelRe: 7 Passengers Injured In Ghastly Motor Accident On Third Mainland Bridge (Pix) by davodyguy: 3:42pm On Jan 18, 2021
Saw the accident on my way to work early this morning around 5:30am.

Note: This has nothing to do with village people but insanity of the driver who was over speeding.

The LASG and Federal comptroller of works announced that there would be a change in the diversion point a week ago.

The driver was speeding thinking the diversion point was still close to Adekunle exist, not knowing that the diversion point has been moved forward to few metres after the Unilag Senate building

Over speeding is bad
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 2:59pm On Jan 18, 2021
Stevo30:
Thanks for this. If i pay my tax in another state and i have tax clearance, would Lagos state still insist i pay another tax because I am building in Lagos?
You pay tax to the government of the state where the property is located

If you're investing in Kano and you reside in Nnewi, you'll pay tax to Kano State Government, apart from the one you paid to Anambra State Government
PoliticsRe: Abba Yaro Escapes Lynching Over Death Of His Guard (Pix) by davodyguy: 1:52pm On Jan 18, 2021
prey02:
Whatever you meant by "I own a truck and you had an accident with it, how is that my fault" statement of yours is rather too strong...so I'll rather return that you.

#LAW OF TORT# speaks differently if applied from a different view.
consented tort
PoliticsRe: Governor Umahi Lectures Engineers On A Writing-Board During Work Inspection by davodyguy: 12:13pm On Jan 18, 2021
Kingosytex:
It is one of the courses offered on this platform grin grin grin grin
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PoliticsRe: Governor Umahi Lectures Engineers On A Writing-Board During Work Inspection by davodyguy: 8:33am On Jan 18, 2021
SpecialAdviser:
One of the secrets in his projects achievement is that he is a profound architectural engineer.
He arranged with Chinese companies to lead a part of some projects engineering.

Projects that would cost other govermors 100million, he does for 50million, still achieving quality.

Its really a privilege to have Dave Umahi as a governor. I pray to have his kind one day in my state.
Oga, which course of study is 'architectural engineer'
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 4:49pm On Jan 17, 2021
To any of our dealers here

I need

30 pieces of 1*12*12
50 pieces of 2*3*12
TV/MoviesRe: BBNaija 2020 Live Updates Thread by davodyguy: 1:23pm On Jan 17, 2021
Kokonbelow:
Normal normal, Tatiana no get sense, na why she go just dey kwakwakwa dey go, her capacity dey limited..
grin

That kwakwakwa be things ooo
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 1:20pm On Jan 17, 2021
kopell:
Point of correction Surulere is not ordinary in lagos ooooo, in FCT na those politician and high earned civil servant make life had for ordinary people
Abuja gained from being the capital and because of corruption, when some 'steal' they use the money to buy properties instead of keeping in bank's.

By the time you audit most of the houses in Maitama, Wuse 2, Asokoro, one should not be shocked if They belong to politicians
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 12:28pm On Jan 17, 2021
n3xt:
This is more like it. 5 - 7 years and you can go to sleep.

By the way, those areas aren’t ordinary sir grin
I'm just trying to be modest.

There's really no 'ordinary' place in Lagos anymore.

A friend who states around Ahmadiyya says he's paying ₦400,000 as rent and I'm like really? In that far place that's close to Sango (Ogun State)

Rent is going up.

Ifako Gbagada, Soluyi etc now commands close to ₦1m annual rent on 3 bedroom apartment.

Rent now is something else.

Maybe not commercial, but residential rent is going up in Lagos.

In one of those LSDPC estates in Meiran, you can get a flat for ₦3.5m and rent at at ₦350,000 per annum. ₦3,500,000/₦350,000 =10% yield. Even Treasury bills can't give you 10% now that rates have been falling
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:54am On Jan 17, 2021
Nezzjnr:
100ml??

I rather buy 2 houses for such amount in Yaba or Magodo
Return on investment in Lagos can't be compared with that of any other state in Nigeria, save FCT.

The rate at which rent is going up in Lagos says it all.

If you spend ₦50m on a property in ordinary Ketu or Surulere, you can recoup your money within 5-7 years from annual rent collection
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:45am On Jan 17, 2021
n3xt:
How much is the rent of an average 4 bedroom duplex in this area? What’s the occupancy rate?

I always advice my clients to invest where it cost more to rent than own.
I’ll also consider tax friendly cities more than that cities where you’ll be paying astronomical property taxes forever.
Lagos and Ogun has the highest taxes on developed properties and developing properties, yet they still have good returns on investment.

What's happening in Lagos is comparable to double taxation from different MDAs
TV/MoviesRe: BBNaija 2020 Live Updates Thread by davodyguy: 10:38am On Jan 17, 2021
A man's gift will make way for him among the prince and princess

TV/MoviesRe: BBNaija 2020 Live Updates Thread by davodyguy: 2:52pm On Jan 16, 2021
Wetin Laycon go do for Abuja party?
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 9:47pm On Jan 15, 2021
n3xt:
According to the wonderful self builder block cement quantity estimator on kobocity.com, you’d require about 1486 pcs of block for the fence.

Total Perimeter = 56.4m (excluding 3.6m gate)
Fence Height = 2.73m (9ft)

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Very nice
TravelRe: General South Africa Visa Enquiries by davodyguy: 10:16am On Jan 15, 2021
pufframmy:
nice one ASKY are worst no Entertainment
I know some of them are like Egypt Air and Air Maroc with zero in flight entertainment system
TravelRe: General South Africa Visa Enquiries by davodyguy: 10:15am On Jan 15, 2021
abnot:
The planes they use on intl routes has in-flight entertainment systems . The screens on economy cabin are smaller though
Wow.

This is beautiful. kiss
TravelRe: General South Africa Visa Enquiries by davodyguy: 10:02am On Jan 15, 2021
abnot:
I feel like Its at par with that of most major carriers operating into Nigeria except may be that on emirates on their newer 777 models. But then emirates hardly use that miso on their Nigerian route
I mean in terms of movies, music, games, electronic consoles etc that we have in most international flights.

Our local airlines here have zero in flight entertainment on the 1 hour flight from Lagos to other parts of the country.

Want to know if it's same for international route
TravelRe: General South Africa Visa Enquiries by davodyguy: 9:02am On Jan 15, 2021
abnot:
Kenya airways is from Lagos . Either way you’ll have to travel to Lagos. The delays with airpeace are on their local route but on South Africa and UAE( now suspended) they always keep to time. Also kenya airways will take you to Nairobi (5hrs ) and then another 4:30hrs to Johannesburg (excluding transit time). Just buy airpeace PH - Johannesburg and they’ll place you on the last flight , you won’t have to even worry about collecting your bag in Lagos as they’ll transfer it for you. Last flight will get to Lagos 9pm and you’ll have four hours before the second leg.
Hello

What's the in flight entertainment like in Airpeace International flight?
HealthRe: COVID-19 Testing: Clarifications On Corruption Allegations By Prof. Akin Abayomi by davodyguy: 10:41pm On Jan 14, 2021
TV. News did the expose in their investigative reportage.

Those guys at Yaba charge as much as ₦35,000 for fake COVID-19 test
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 9:01pm On Jan 14, 2021
Beware.

Don't out of desperation or urge rush to buy land in Lagos.

You just might be buying a land acquired by LASG

Investigate your land, even if the popular real estate companies advertised it to you.

Chart the survey plan first.

Anyone who buys land illegally in a government scheme would lose out

PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:30pm On Jan 14, 2021
ollykay619:
Thank you sir.

So to have a complete ownership of a land, one must have the CofO

Or should I say what document must one have to have posses the full ownership of a land
Or a registered Deed of assignment where the predecessor in title already had one
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 8:14pm On Jan 14, 2021
ollykay619:
I assume you are talking about the survey plan the land seller shows the buyer.

I have a question, what is red copy survey and does that serve as any form of a valid title?
No please

Registering your survey plan is a means to an end not an end in its self.

One of the prerequisites to getting either your Certificate of Occupancy or your Deed of Assignment registered is registering your survey plan at the office of Surveyor General, called lodgement.

This is why it's called 'Red copy'. The color of the survey plan is not red, just as the black box in a plane is not painted in black colour.

At the Surveyor General's office, they only check few things before registering a survey plan in the name of any applicant that comes for registration.

1. That the survey plan is signed by a registered land surveyor

2. The land is not within a government scheme

3. The land is properly positioned and not on Road alignment

4. Coordinates are correct

5. Land is not under Acquisition and if under Acquisition, consent to survey is obtained.


They don't care who's name is on it. Hence, they would only come to court to defend the plan submitted to them and not say who truly owns the land.

It's Lands Bureau that controls land ownership as vested into the Governor of that state by the Land Use Act 1978
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 3:58pm On Jan 14, 2021
[quote author=lorhema post=98054609][/quote]I always tell people this.

A survey plan on its own is not a 'valid' title, either registered or unregistered.

A survey plan only shows you the dimension and location of a land, its coordinates and may be the beacon numbers.

5 of us can have a survey plan drawn in our names by 5 different land surveyors on a single plot.

What you should do is to ask the vendor if he/she has a valid title that confirms he owns the land.

if he doesn't have other than a receipt (which itself does not confirm ownership, cause I can also issue you a receipt on a land that doesn't belong to me) take the survey plan to the Office of the Surveyor General of Oyo State, and Chart it first to confirm if the land is free from acquisition and if under acquisition, is it committed or can be ratified by you obtaining consent to Survey.

Start here first
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 12:38pm On Jan 14, 2021
Let's create something on this thread

If you have questions pertaining to titles of land or approval to build, please ask me
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 11:03pm On Jan 13, 2021
somehow:
Phew!
Thank you for this.
So when I am ready to build in any of the estates, I must part way with 750k to 1m... Okay o
Like the government is anti-progress..
That's why more than 50% of all buildings in Lagos doesn't have approval.

I had a meeting with Governor Ambode ìn 2017 and I told him point blank.

Audit all the over 2 million buildings in Lagos State today. More than half of that number are not approved, cos people got frustrated and abandoned the process.

Though, building without approval is illegal
PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davodyguy: 10:01pm On Jan 13, 2021
n3xt:
I was on a platform and someone sent me the picture attached and asked “Why do you think LASG seal this type of structure?

May I co-ask my Ogas in the house “What do you think could make LASG to seal this building?”
I just zoomed the image and saw MPP&UD meaning it's the Ministry that did this and not LASPPPA or LABSCA. The commissioner and PS Control the ministry, while the GM of LASPPPA and GM of LABSCA report to both the PS and Commissioner.

The commissioner is the most senior, followed by the PS. But SA to Governor on Physical Planning is a senior to the Commissioner in terms of closeness to the Governor.

On why it's was sealed?

In my opinion

1. Building or built it without approval
2. Infractions ( when you submit a different plan, say 2 floors and you now go to 5 floors)
3. Failure to observe adequate set back
4. Failure to comply with Land use Zoning
5. Petition written against you by adjoining property owners
6. Building on road alignment
7. Building on right of way

One or all of the 6 reasons highlighted above could be the cause. After all, there's no curse without a cause grin

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