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Christianity EtcRe: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by daylae(op): 9:12pm On Jan 27, 2011
JeSoul:
Gbam left right and center.

Honestly, I don't think our aim should be trying to 'reconcile science with religion'. In my understanding, Science is simply the quest for knowledge. Its aim is to understand the physical world all around us through observation and experimentation. Religion is also a kind of quest for knowledge -spiritual knowledge, a journey to understand the heart and soul and deeper purpose of life. And trying to apply one quest in the place of the other is what leads to the 'conflict' we see all around us.

In my opinion, a true scientist has no business or concern for that matter making declarative claims like "God doesn't exist. God didn't create the world". What experiments did he carry out to prove this? Is the business of science supposed to be commenting on the business of the intangible? the spiritual? Can you try to examine ice cores deep in the artic circle by using a crystal ball that was made in aba? Can you examine the moral inclinations of a mans heart using a telescope? The disconnect to me is that sharp.



Let's not forget the fact that we have scientists who believe the is a God hehind the perfect theory of creation,so also we have christians who seek the knowledge of science.


And likewise, people of faith shoot themselves in the foot when they try to comment on scientific matters that they have no obvious clues about. If current carbon dating techniques puts the earth at billions of years, so be it. That is what we know right now and it may or may not change with technological advancements. How does this necessarily reflect negatively on your faith? whether the earth is 6000 yrs or 6billion, the bottom line to a believer should be that faith tells you God made the world - the atomic specifics of how He did so to me are irrelevant - leave that to the scientists!


Quite true. We human can try to know how things came to exist,but we cant tell the "why." we even get confused about the "how"


Scie
Christianity EtcRe: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by daylae(op): 7:03pm On Jan 27, 2011
However,i think some of the conflict has developed because of false or unprovable assertions originating from both sides. For centuries,religious leaders have taught mythical legends and erroneous dogmas that are at odds with modern scientific findings and not based on inspired scripture. For example,the roman catholic church condemned Galileo because he concluded,correctly,that the earth revolves around the sun. Galileo's view in no way contradicted the bible,but it was contrary to what the church taught at the time. On the other hand,scientists are at fault when they teach as fact the unprovable theory that life evolved from inanimate matter independent of God. They ridicule religious faith as unscientific.
Is it possible,then,to reconcile science and religion? Is science and true religion complementing each other,rather than contradict each other?
Christianity EtcScience And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by daylae(op): 6:33pm On Jan 27, 2011
Religion and science are sometimes assumed to be mortal enemies. To some they appear locked in a struggle of such magnitude that it may seem that one will triumph only by the death of the other.
In one camp are some scientist,such as chemist Peter Atkins,who feel that reconciling religion and science is "impossible." Atkins says that to believe "that God is an explanation of( anything,let alone everything) is intellectually contemptable." Biologist Richard Dawkins says,"is religion best understood as an infectious disease of the mind?" And the conflict continues. . .

In another camp are religious people who blame science for the destruction of faith. Such individuals believe that science is a deception;its fact may be correct,but the misinterpretation of those facts undermines the beliefs of the faithful. For example,they believe that Darwinism means "no ultimate foundation for ethics;no ultimate meaning for life."
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by daylae(m): 11:40am On Jan 27, 2011
^^be certain of a better replacement.
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Appoints Ojukwu's Wife As Special Assistant by daylae(m): 10:21pm On Jan 26, 2011
Vast bureaucracy but little or no positive results. . . ;and that's my concern. . .

Hope bianca suites her new appointment.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Threatens ''Overwhelming Military Force'' Against Ivory Coast by daylae(m): 7:42pm On Jan 26, 2011
Reductio ad absurdum!!! Why the insults?

Jen33, your unintelligent,unthoughtful, and supercilious behaviour is quite daunting. You shouldn't go without getting a spank,but i decided i have to do better than insulting you in return;besides,i don't need to condescend to that level,but you need to get yourself some courtesy.


For you to say that the south african  military has no combat experience shows you're the naive fellow here. South african military have been a major force in global warfare since the two great wars;and,up till now,they get involve in UN/AU mission the world over,and also member of the alied military forces in iraq and afganistan.

The egptian military is undoubtedly the most powerful in africa and the middle east( in equipments,logistics,largest and well-trained personels). It is even unreasonable to think that because some countries decided not to get involve in the ongoing global infamous obsession to fluant military might,that their military strength is lesser than lots.  
Ivorian army shouldn't be compared to that of liberia or sierra leone,cus they are equally well equiped and organised,probably one of the best in west africa.

Am not saying the nigerian military is not good enough,but it shoudn't be overrated because of some peace keeping mission,where they were not the primary enemy,neither were they the only one that got involved.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Threatens ''Overwhelming Military Force'' Against Ivory Coast by daylae(m): 12:49pm On Jan 25, 2011
Jen33: you thought i was living in a cave? I suggest you need to go understand our military capabilities before thinking of a castle in the clouds. I certainly know that nigeria cannot be ranked ammong countries like egypt(no1 in africa and the middle east),south africa,algeria,and even ethopia ect. Most of the equipments and logistics used in our past military involvements were provided by the UN. When the minister threathened "overwhelming military force against ivory coast," he's sure not talking about nigeria alone,but talking about the ECOWAS and AU forces .
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Threatens ''Overwhelming Military Force'' Against Ivory Coast by daylae(m): 8:30am On Jan 25, 2011
As if we even ranked ammong the major military powers in africa. . .

Shuting the exportation of cocoa will be a good move.
PoliticsRe: Northern Governors Are Traitors –kaita, Yakassai by daylae(m): 8:51pm On Jan 16, 2011
@vigilante: the northern governors don't need us to save their head;they can take care of themselves.
PoliticsRe: Northern Governors Are Traitors –kaita, Yakassai by daylae(m): 6:03pm On Jan 16, 2011
Atiku had before shown lack of respect and utmost disloyalty to the party in the past. Its not surprising they have no respect for his ambition. And,besides,pdp will have all to gain choosing jonathan as the flag-bearer,and not atiku whose popularity is fast depreciating,even among his mallams.
PoliticsRe: Beware! Banks To Be Attacked By Suicide Bombings >cbn by daylae(m): 5:34pm On Jan 16, 2011
So they're now broke,and breaking the vaults is now their priority. What happend to funds from al-qaeda and the lots. Frozen?

And now that police are set to be withdrawn from banks. They will have to make do with hallogen and kings guards security now. Bad timming.
Foreign AffairsRe: Tunisia's President Resigns by daylae(m): 5:50pm On Jan 15, 2011
Other arabs in egypt,libya and algeria will want to tail the recent happenings in tunisia. Its time they confront their ever-ruling leaders too. They even try passing the baton to their children when they get weary of power.
PoliticsRe: Beyond Rhetoric, Have You Registered? by daylae(m): 5:23pm On Jan 15, 2011
Can one register anywhere and eventually cast his vote within his original locality? don't know if this matters cus i'll definately miss the registration if i can't register away from home.
PoliticsRe: Yes, Jonathan Has Finally Contested And Won An Election by daylae(m): 4:20pm On Jan 14, 2011
The most dangerous,hopeless and vunerable situation one can ever find himself is when one is battling with a man whom God had already decided to favour.


The truth be told,he doesn't even need to match the political strength,experience and savvy babangida and atiku have. Many can't even say why they think he deserve their votes.

Atiku might try again from another political party.
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 1:55am On Jan 12, 2011
I know, i know, i know. Am sorry,i shouldn't have invested my time,replying to your comments in the first place,but i thought i could help improve your thinking faculty. I guess i was wrong;and its been no effort at all. A total brain surgery won't be a bad idea,as did mohamed too when he thread the earth a chronic psycho.

See you when you get better. . . bro.
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 3:15pm On Jan 11, 2011
vedaxcool:
or do you prefer "Quasi intelligent"?


a knuckle head like you shouldn't make such remark. [quote author=vedaxcool link=topic=581955.msg7507096#msg7507096 date=1294740552]or do you prefer "Quasi intelligent"?

We are not palying chess, Now I ask because Prostituion is commmonly practiced in Christian area we can conclude Prostitution is sanctioned by Chtristianity? Like I said if you cannot comprehend simple statements then you should atleast logically ask what the person is saying. Like I said initially it would have been 'sensible' if the OP asked whether Islam supports what Al - Shabab are doing? but rather he coulded that due to the Al - shabab behavior Islam hates women, what a way to reason, with thinking like this, humanity would not need to use courts to prove any thing, we will esatblish guilty by association. I ask if you son was found doing something wrong such as being a rascist, then someone say his father is a racist and hates people of other race beacuse his son is rascist, what would be your response? anyone with common sense will first asked does his father support rascism? Did hios father teach him to hate people of other race? before concluding that his father is actually rascist. But we know when it comes to Islam there is no need to think properly any negative thought that comes out of your mind is automatically true. GOD Help you.amin.


i guess el shabab practice different type of islam thouh? maybe sharia are not part of the muslim doctrines again?

prostitution is not encouraged ammong christians,but we know for certain that killing and miaming people is not the way to make them do the right thing. two wrongs can never make a right.


Nonsense indeed, Islam before your pagan indoctrination called Christianity, was the first religion to give women the right to Inherit property of their husbands and even their parents, But you are not talking based on facts, Pseudo intelligence in display. Again unless you are sufferring from delusional fever, look around you and you will see that Muslim women are working either as traders,bankers, doctors, Nurses,Administrators etc but in other to belittle muslim woman you claim they are denied access to even earn a living, Now tell me who is sufferring from solidarity fever, are you just ranting because it is Islam invovled? Again I asked you all the evils your Christian women are doing such as prostituion, indecent dressing, Nudism, abortion etc is what? Part of Christianity, all the drunks' of Christianity that go oppressing their wives is what? part of Christianity. As for being treated like slaves that is another pathetic conjecture you follow as all the Muslim women I know have never for once claimed they are being treated like slaves, it is your christian women that have become slaves, due to their greed, as they are willing to sell anything to get material possessions. I do laugh at your usual incoherent replies that are filled with falsehood and deliberate distortions.

u need to visit the nearest mental assylum ASAP. who told you that indecency is synonymous to christians? i can see your autistic approarch is comforming again.


those muslims that u mention above are the fortunate one who live in the south. go to the north where islam is dominant,you'll know how watery your comment is.


Hiss! Slams door!


Prior to the arrival of Christianity, Muslims in Lagos were accustomed to attending Quranic schools where the subjects of learning were basically the Qur’an, its sciences and other branches of Islamic faith. With the arrival of Christianity on the late 19th centur . . .,

highly inconsequencial! meaning, please?

This divided the Lagos society via the Lagos central mosque because the Muslim constituted a majority of the Lagos population.
http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78&Itemid=84&showall=1


do you really understand the basis of determining population figures?

what do you think is the cause of the uproar and bitterness among muslims,that constituted the ammount of hostilities against christian?







You are just suffering from delusions created by your deliberate attempt to stiffle the truth as who are you to claim that other people are disguising in multiple id's. You suffer from Mind slavery, that is why you defend senseless accusation, that is why you worship a man that says he is a servant.


at least,think with your black box you call a brain. you shouldn't deny the fact that we have some clueless fundermentalist here. hope u are not of them?

. . . he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.

Dude that is what sweetnecta said from the ' Al shabab should be Judged by Islamic criteria . . . ' so you go tell them eh,

necta realised what he insinuated,and he decline to talk about it again;but a fool like you will always beat a broken drum the more.


same replie, but in addition should people be given the freedom to Abort, love-peddler, rob, loot, etc. You missed sense here a bit, as I am only against their use of unsenseible force/intimidation, as there is always a security check to prevent people from going foul of the law.


law? what law? did allah asked you to kill people dressing immorally?

leave the enforcement to secular government and its aencies;and not killing,amputating,and miaming them. what is expected of a religious organisation
is to teach people the right thing to impact their heat.


I thought original sin is responsible for your evils not free will. More importantly to make the society free of chaos people must be prevented from doing wrong instead of waiting for their goodwill. the presence of a police man prevents some people from doing stealing. But u love repeating yourself don't you?


you are the most confuse bone- head have ever seen. so, you guys commits these atrocities because of these excuse?


like i said earlier,leave the enforcement to the agencies.


salvation is not by killing,and amputating poeple to do the right thing. you are just as sinful as those suppossed sinners.

Only a fool will judge Islam by Al - Shabab actions, once more I have shown u to have no proof to your false assertion about Islam, rather you prefer maybe due to intellectual laziness, to continue repeating a statement hoping somehow or some way the repeated statement might become truths, but only dullard will accept a repitition as truth when there is no fact supporting it.Iran has one of the highest Dowry in the world and this is due to their cultural perspective on women, people like you fail to reliase that culture permeates religion and hence can easily lead to mis representation of the facts. The Most sensible thing to do is to Look at the religion itself and see whether the adherants are following it teachings. But maybe this is too much to ask of you.

well, maybe you are a dullard afterall. you talk about iran,go to iran and see how women are treated. you are stupidly excusing al shabab here. is it not the same sharia laws ammong muslims?


Again all the muslim women I know, have never claimed that Islam hates them, the burden of proof falls on

they'll come knocking at your door to tell you this. pay more attention to the body of the topic itself,and not the title that's killing you.
We are not palying chess, Now I ask because Prostituion is commmonly practiced in Christian area we can conclude Prostitution is sanctioned by Chtristianity? Like I said if you cannot comprehend simple statements then you should atleast logically ask what the person is saying. Like I said initially it would have been 'sensible' if the OP asked whether Islam supports what Al - Shabab are doing? but rather he coulded that due to the Al - shabab behavior Islam hates women, what a way to reason, with thinking like this, humanity would not need to use courts to prove any thing, we will esatblish guilty by association. I ask if you son was found doing something wrong such as being a rascist, then someone say his father is a racist and hates people of other race beacuse his son is rascist, what would be your response? anyone with common sense will first asked does his father support rascism? Did hios father teach him to hate people of other race? before concluding that his father is actually rascist. But we know when it comes to Islam there is no need to think properly any negative thought that comes out of your mind is automatically true. GOD Help you.amin.


Nonsense indeed, Islam before your pagan indoctrination called Christianity, was the first religion to give women the right to Inherit property of their husbands and even their parents, But you are not talking based on facts, Pseudo intelligence in display. Again unless you are sufferring from delusional fever, look around you and you will see that Muslim women are working either as traders,bankers, doctors, Nurses,Administrators etc but in other to belittle muslim woman you claim they are denied access to even earn a living, Now tell me who is sufferring from solidarity fever, are you just ranting because it is Islam invovled? Again I asked you all the evils your Christian women are doing such as prostituion, indecent dressing, Nudism, abortion etc is what? Part of Christianity, all the drunks' of Christianity that go oppressing their wives is what? part of Christianity. As for being treated like slaves that is another pathetic conjecture you follow as all the Muslim women I know have never for once claimed they are being treated like slaves, it is your christian women that have become slaves, due to their greed, as they are willing to sell anything to get material possessions. I do laugh at your usual incoherent replies that are filled with falsehood and deliberate distortions.



Hiss! Slams door!


Prior to the arrival of Christianity, Muslims in Lagos were accustomed to attending Quranic schools where the subjects of learning were basically the Qur’an, its sciences and other branches of Islamic faith. With the arrival of Christianity on the late 19th centur . . .,

This divided the Lagos society via the Lagos central mosque because the Muslim constituted a majority of the Lagos population.
http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78&Itemid=84&showall=1












You are just suffering from delusions created by your deliberate attempt to stiffle the truth as who are you to claim that other people are disguising in multiple id's. You suffer from Mind slavery, that is why you defend senseless accusation, that is why you worship a man that says he is a servant.


. . . he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.

Dude that is what sweetnecta said from the ' Al shabab should be Judged by Islamic criteria . . . ' so you go tell them eh,


same replie, but in addition should people be given the freedom to Abort, love-peddler, rob, loot, etc. You missed sense here a bit, as I am only against their use of unsenseible force/intimidation, as there is always a security check to prevent people from going foul of the law.


I thought original sin is responsible for your evils not free will. More importantly to make the society free of chaos people must be prevented from doing wrong instead of waiting for their goodwill. the presence of a police man prevents some people from doing stealing. But u love repeating yourself don't you?




Only a fool will judge Islam by Al - Shabab actions, once more I have shown u to have no proof to your false assertion about Islam, rather you prefer maybe due to intellectual laziness, to continue repeating a statement hoping somehow or some way the repeated statement might become truths, but only dullard will accept a repitition as truth when there is no fact supporting it.Iran has one of the highest Dowry in the world and this is due to their cultural perspective on women, people like you fail to reliase that culture permeates religion and hence can easily lead to mis representation of the facts. The Most sensible thing to do is to Look at the religion itself and see whether the adherants are following it teachings. But maybe this is too much to ask of you.

Again all the muslim women I know, have never claimed that Islam hates them, the burden of proof falls on[/quote]
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 2:22am On Jan 11, 2011
^^that's not true. To assert this,we have to rely on various random gartherings of people in random places like shools,offices,churches,mosques,and so on, because we really don't have the tools to determine and arrive at a conclusion here. Start to take note of such gartherings,and you might want to change your mind.

Note that the combined congregation of many islamic societies is very likely to fall short of a single christian denomination in terms of population. And the rate at which muslims converts to christianity each day is quite alarming,even in the north.

Don't be decieved by the convergeance of muslims,and the various fragmentations of christians denominations to make such error in your conclusion. I tell you,if trully muslims ammounts to half the population of christians in the south,christians will surely be aware of this in so many ways.
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 9:40pm On Jan 10, 2011
Echoing the comments of alimat2 is sure not convincing. We both know that we have some chronic fanatics here,who disguise,using multiple ids so as to resound their deluded points to the ears of others. And,besides,what do you expect she'll say? That islam is enslaving her?

Also,i guess you're trying to say that the reason women are being beaten,chased with guns,and stoned in somalia,was to deter them from dressing scandalously?

You don't save a lost soul by beaten and chasing them with guns and stone. The only reason such a person will adhere is just for the fear of being killed. And such a soul is not saved afterall. You just encouraging hypocracy. Salvation is not by forcing people to do the right thing. The fact that you forced them doesn't make it valid. The only way they can be geniunely save from indecent dressing is by showing them excerpt from the quran,and telling them about the danger of indecency,not threatning them to adhere.

If you violate someone's free-will,even for the purpose of  preventing them from sinful dealings,i  tell you,the person is not actually saved. Instead,he'll give in because of intimidation and jungle persecution.

God gave us liberty to choose from being good or bad because he doesn't want us to do the right thing for the fear of punishment that follows;rather,because he want us to realise the right thing and choose to do it by choice,and not by force.  

What is happening in somalia and other muslim states is as a result of sharia laws,which only beats the drums louder on islamic perspectives.
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 8:32pm On Jan 10, 2011
Vadexcool,you've said alot,but unfortunately,you made a nit. That i come here,trying to impress you with some pretentious comments is a fable. Am sure you've been able to prove me wrong before? And i know you're not a dullard i can feed with junks. But because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean its not genuine."Pseudo intelligent?" How witty!

Your mate was trying to seperate muslims from what they practice,which is islam,and you vehemently raised your two hands up in surpport. Once again,that was a careless move. And stop trying to give your previous comments a face-lift.

Women are mosly denied the right to
education,work, and earn a living,even the right to own properties in most predominant muslim society. They are treated like slaves,and wraped-up like a mummy. So many more anormalies. And my comparison of women in mostly muslim populated society to the christian one was just for you to honestly see and evaluate the two scenarios.

That you're saying lagos is mosly inhabited by muslims is ill-confronting. Was it your chief iman that organise the census? To open your mouth,saying such without caution,i find it amusing. To get this fact from the simplest angle,i suggest you start from your neighbourhood,even from your extended family to the larger society,then you can easily deduce your figures.
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 2:44pm On Jan 10, 2011
Well, you and vadex are the two yoruba muslim from the south;and sure,that makes you both the majority,abi? What's the logic?
IslamRe: Islam hates Women? by daylae(m): 1:40pm On Jan 10, 2011
@Sweetnecta: your points has no relevance to the original post. Maybe you just had to bring out all long-standing issues boiling your heart,not minding that thery're not relevant to the topic. What has trinity got to do with "islam hates women?."  The poster asked a question,and used the sitituation in somalia as an example,unless you have a contrary argument,using other muslim society as a contrary example. Also, trying to seperate islam from muslims is utter rubish,when we all know that what muslims practice is islam. Its just  like seperating christianity from christians.  

@vadexcool: why did you defend a statement when you don't even understand it? Such solidarity is careless. Unless you people do away with the "we versus them" mentality,and put sentiments aside,at least,sometimes,you'll always want to meddle with reality,so as to show solidarity. Can you honestly equate the right of a woman in the UK, with the one in maybe, iran? Or women in the muslim north to christian south in nigeria? The fact is still as it is,even though its unlikely you'll agree.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Deceive Yourselves, No Nigerian Can Go To Heaven by daylae(m): 9:06am On Jan 10, 2011
@op: bad conclusion. Your nationality is not a criteria;so you don't need it to make heaven. Neither will you be needing your nigerian passport. Besides,chrhstians are the same everywhere,and there is nothing like "a nigerian christian," or " an american christian."
EducationRe: Extension Of School Holidays - This Is Crazy! by daylae(m): 7:05pm On Jan 07, 2011
^^ re-colonized by ghana.
EducationRe: Extension Of School Holidays - This Is Crazy! by daylae(m): 3:21pm On Jan 07, 2011
More to the security situation on ground. If the schools and staffs are going to be used for the registration,then it is expidient that students should stay at home for the period. The security that will be provided at all venues is sure not safe and certain. We don't want any form of planted bombs at schools. The government is definately cautious of this fact too.
PoliticsRe: Riot As Boko Haram Sect Members Attempt Jailbreak In Yola by daylae(m): 8:33pm On Jan 04, 2011
Na stick and stone dem they use break jail. Maybe they were just protesting for better rationing of food. I think the minister for food affairs should be the one singing about the incident. Some religious bastards there!
RomanceRe: Chritians, Can You Mary A Muslim? Muslims, Can You Marry A Christian? by daylae(m): 8:21pm On Jan 02, 2011
Yes i can marry a muslim. No wahala. smiley
Forum GamesRe: Which Tribe Do U Think D Nairalander Above U Belongs To? by daylae(m): 11:11am On Dec 31, 2010
Hun.
Forum GamesRe: The Last Person To Post Here Wins! by daylae(m): 11:08am On Dec 31, 2010
For calabar? Abeg leave trophy jor!
RomanceRe: Every Girl Wants A Guy! by daylae(m): 8:05am On Dec 31, 2010
Yeah,those lots can only be found in holly,nolly,and bolly woods. Not in reality.
Forum GamesRe: Your Last Text Message You Recieved: by daylae(m): 7:29am On Dec 31, 2010
I'll think about it. embarassed
TV/MoviesRe: What Was The Last Movie You Watched? by daylae(m): 12:47pm On Dec 30, 2010
Shutter island


glad watching at last. Good one.

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