₦airaland Forum

deadie:
I do not recognise royalty in Igboland, the term traditional ruler is acceptable to me. Royalty implies that others in the community are lesser men, and that is not obtainable in my society. A traditional ruler, in my place denotes a Chief/Nze and an Eze, which is a temporary position. Royalty is passed along the family, like the Saudi Royal family, British royalty, etc. That is why I do not quite using the term royalty. Hope that has sunk into your coconut head.

You are a confused man. As I said, in one past, you claim that Osu system is dead, and then you claim again it can never be eradicated. Doesn't that show your lack of understanding? Set myself on fire? No, not really. Although I do not stand for violence, it would be nice if such a method could be use to get rid of people like you in public places. I hope you don't instil this kind of hatred into those children who unfortunately happen to be yours.

You are absolutely a novice on traditional and cultural matters of Igbo land. I honestly believed you are Osu period. Anybody who claimed a parentage of “traditional ruler” whether rotational or hereditary and can not discern “Chief” is not an Igbo title and looked miserable separating the position of Nze and Eze in Igbo land does not deserve the prestige accorded to Diala.

To be candid, you are a demented loafer and have no business joining issues where Osu, Ohu, Nze, Eze, tradition and culture in Igbo land are discussed. In fact, you do not understand the difference between Osu System and stigmatization. For example, slavery is long dead in USA but the end did not stamp away the stigma associate with the practice. This is same as Osu in Igbo land especially when marrige is the focal point.

I had myself to be blamed for arguing with dimwit who claimed Chief/Nze is a “traditional ruler” in Igbo land.

You did not need to rant about your ignorant love for anything alien to Igbo land since you claimed a “modern man of 21st century”. What a dullard. The more you rant, the worse you look as wastepipe.

@OP

I am completely disappointed with maxsiollun for digging out and posting an inconsequential and irrelevant interview given by a coward such as Alabi-Isama who fled from mutinous northern region soldiers in 1966. It is only a foolish grow man such as Alabi-Isama would seek the help of third party to locate his father’s compound.

It is borderline idiocy for Alabi-Isama to claim that Hausa can not kill a woman. Granted this Alabi-Isama’s postulation is a delight of a drunken fool, I wonder aloud if Alabi-Isama is privy to1945 and 1956 massacres of non-northern region indigenes in Kano. I guess Alabi-Isama must be demented to have forgotten the men, women and children massacred by northern region soldiers led by James Pam during the Tiv riot of 1964.

Some of the soldiers involved in January 15, 1966 coup cited the massacred in Tiv land as a factor that motivated them to join the coup and especially in the killing of  Lt Col James Pam.

Ojukwu should not apologize to anybody for Nigeria/Biafra civil war. Ojukwu did not start the war instead Gowon and Nigeria precipitated war on Baifra. Ojukwu was not remotely or overtly involved in either January 15, 1966 or July 29, 1966 coup. In the other hand, there is mountainous evidence that Gowon was remotely involved in July 29, 1966 coup. Ndigbo do not need anybody’s idiotic apology but get even.

annita19:
Why is it that most Africans/Indians don't use Deodorant? No insult intended. I would appreciate respectful comments.

It is very good to know you limited your bed game to Africans and Indians and would have been better to only Africans. Most of people of human race do not use deodorant. Mind you that human race included Europeans and Asians.

Joseph Jon:
OSU, Was never meant to endure or become a system in Igboland but because of selfish desire and greed by minority traditional oligarchies that existed then they never wanted oppositions and the OSU issue was brought to bear for so long. OSU was a form of punishment and no punishment endures forever,so why OSU? All civilized igbo minds must join hands and end this outrageous system for the good of all.

If any girl is rejected in marriage because of this issue and she is pretty let she contacts me and i will marry her to show example as nothing like OSU ever existed in my mind and will never. If evil endures for a year it becomes a tradition for the evil minded.

This is a joke. Believe me; you are not serious about this rant. You are entitled to marry more than one Osu and the supply will be inexhaustible in Igbo land. Just place an advertisement for “Osu as a wife” in any local newspaper and your wishes will come true. Besides, it will be granted on a dowry-free delivery.

Obiagu1:
Why is this Osu stigma only present in Imo State and probably some part of Abia as well?

This statement left much to be desired. It is fundamentally a falsehood.

deadie:
You make me laugh. Where did I say my father is a "royal father"? I have asked you this before. There is a difference between a traditional ruler and a royal father. In my place, there is nothing like royalty, everyone is. Royal fathers are mere political office. My father is a traditional ruler, you can ask your dad what that is if you are too young to understand it. I am not married. As to your question as to whether I am an Osu, I thought you said it no longer existed . Is this your admission of its existence? Are you confused?

Ok, I am not ducking your questions as you have been ducking mine, so I will answer them.
1. I am not an Osu. However, that stuff is bollocks and I wish it never existed. It is simply wrong to have been invented, and even more wrong that it is being kept alive.
2. You are right, marrying an Osu will totally devastate my dad, who I owe a lot to. Will I marry one? I wish I had the courage to give a definite answer. I can easily tell you yes that I would and lay it to rest. But the true answer is rather difficult, especially with people like you still in existence. It is less about me, but more about what my children and family may face. Frankly, I care little of what people think of me personally. I simply consider such people, especially the young who espouse your view as simple mor.ons. However, even if I am unable to, I do hope for a society where my children would be able to marry freely without fear of discrimination to them and their children, because people like you, who are tacitly keeping this system alive would have been extinct.

If I say you are a douche bag, it will be an understatement. A ruler is a monarch or even a dictator. Apparently monarch is a royal entity. You have reiterated about your father who is a “traditional ruler” maybe Eze or Obi or Igwe yet you would want us to believe that traditional ruler is a dogcatcher in your community. No wonder you are on the goofy lane about the difference between stigmatization and creation of Osu.

Recently in Igbo land, the culture and religion that produced Osu and Ohu are no longer practiced or obtainable. However, the landmarks created by such indulgence of our forefathers are still with us. The practice that saw Osu stopped with the killing of twins as you have alluded.

The only institution in Igbo land that still tends to Osu and Ohu is marriage and I have to state categorically madness, devoice, criminality, thievery, harlotry, sickness, etc are also factored when marriage is discussed.   

Now for umpteenth time, will you marry a girl stigmatized as Osu since you are still a chronic bachelor by your own admission? By the way, the manner you have being using cause words indicated you are a borderline wayward since at this miserable age you remained a bachelor. I guess it is an Osu thing.

Please help to bring enlightenment to Igbo land which could lead to eradication of Osu people or the stigmatization by setting your junk body on fire at government house in Umuahia. If you can not indulge in the simple request, then you are empty as your Internet rants.

deadie:
One instance you claim Osu is dead, next you resurrect it and say it will never go away, yet again you claim you will fight it, and in the same instance contradict yourself saying you would not be "disingenuous to advice a Diala to marry Osu". All at the same time? Wow, you are better at creating confusion than any politician could ever boast of.

The practice that created Osu may not exist any longer, but individuals like you are the fire that keeps it alive. By the way, it is relevant whether one supports Osu or not, it would be dead if people like you were all dead, don't you think so? I wouldn't look the other way "when the chips are down", why I'm I responding to your post in the first place? It takes patience to respond to people whose views, or lack of it, disgusts you.

For the sake of argument, are you married to Osu if not, would you marry Osu? I wish your true identity could be known. My people say the child who called the mother ugly equally termed the father silly.

I am of the view you are wishing death to your so-called royal father because you will only marry to an Osu over his dead body.

I have feeling you are an Osu and the crap about royally parentage is goofy stuff associated with internet rant. Believe me; I am surprised punkas.s such as you have not committed suicide to protest the stigmatization of certain people as Osu in Igbo land.

deadie:
Well, my dad is as stubborn people like you, especially trying to educate him whilst still a boy. As you know, or maybe you don't, older people in our culture always consider younger ones as having little knowledge. I cannot monster courage to convince anybody? I wouldn't be responding to a reta.rd like who doesn't know his otherwise. Each of your post illustrates your confusion. Could you just answer the simple question of whether or not you support Osu? ChinenyeN is brave enough to make his stand known. Grow a pair.

I really do not know what a drooling troll such as you want. It has been indicated in one of my posts that I do not feel slighted when others decide to discriminate because I do not have any inferiority complex.

Whether or not one supports Osu is irrelevant. Again, the practice that created Osu does not exist in Igbo land any longer. If such practice does exist, I shall fight against it.  It is not in my place to force individuals into marriage that will involve an Osu. I did not marry Osu and should be condescendingly disingenuous to advice any Diala to marry Osu.

I know your slimy type that would blow hot air and when chips are down will look the other way.

@deadie

I do not cross words with latent fools such as you. If certain cross-section of South Africans allowed themselves to be identified wrongly, then every loudmouthed nincompoop such as you should accepted it.

I guess your so-called royal father still practices the rituals that gave rise to Osu. Presently, the act of slavery does not exist in USA yet it does not remove the fact that certain African Americans are publicly proclaimed as sons, daughters, grand and great grandchildren of slaves. In fact, these African Americans will voluntarily inform any ear that they are of slave parentage. 

There is no doubt a dumbarse such as you can not afford a wife I would have urged you to marry an Osu.  Anybody who thinks Osu can be wished away is a compound fool.


"Let me start by saying that I am not an Osu or Umeh or whatever. My dad is a traditional ruler who is in support of the Osu caste system. I remember having a discussion with him once about it, which ended up making him really mad."


The above crap in bold came from you. If a dullard such as you could not have a harmless discussion on a subject matter such as Osu with you so-called traditional ruler father, I seriously doubt if you could muster the courage to convince anybody to befriend Osu talk less a jackass such as you proposing to one

Honestly, I am still searching for the tangible achievements which contributed to the amalgam of Awolowo’s unfounded political legacy in Nigeria.

lakal:
I think that is true for some people. But unfortunately, it still seems to be an issue for many. I am not Igbo, but I love the cu;ture, have many Igbo friends, understand the language somewhat. And I have seen an actual situation in the U.S. where an engagement was terminated when it was discovered that the girl was an Osu. For no other choice or credential alone, but for something her forefathers did. Craziness.

Any unfortunate hand, such as Osu, dealt to us by circumstances beyond our control can not be easily swept under the rug. I would love to see these loudmouthed punks throwing abuses on the Internet to actually marry Osu unless they are Osu. The funny thing is Osu will stop at nothing to marry Diala. Should such Osu be accused of discrimination?

Of course, Osu was born out of tradition/culture/religion and has been terminated along with the killing of twins. Nobody in Igbo land indulges in the practice of tradition/culture/religion that saw Osu among us or partake in killing of twins today.

Marriage in Igbo land is not between the principals alone but the community. I still insist that choice of whom a person wishes to marry is not discriminatory. In my community, Osu has ascended to the chairmanship of the town’s development union and he was not discriminated.

Talking about discrimination, it is an essence of human nature and should remain as long as human beings walk the surface of earth. Whether you are Osu or Diala in Igbo land, you could be rejected as a suitor for other reasons than Osu or Diala.

Andre Uweh:
Dede1, can you read the above?.

Andy, you know better than the post. I do not tend to the rubbish posted by certain onlookers. In my LGA, election was conducted and won. My sister-in-law also contested and won as councilor in her LGA. If the LGA elections were tempered by Ohakim as the poster would want us to believe, it is not the function of an elected governor of a state to suspend the LG’s legally constituted body. This is the function of INEC and electoral tribunal.  I guess we are talking about democracy and its principles.

@OP

Nigeria is a giant of Africa in terms of population

Roland17:
@dede1
I have never been in support of that Shiiit(Osu), as for your question, we broke up last year, its been tough for both of us emotionally since then., she is really special to me.

I have serious aversion for fence sitters such as you. You simply want to eat your cake and have it. If you did not support the Shiiit (Osu) as you would want us to believe, you should have rubbished the tradition and culture by marrying the girl. You have spoken like those who would talk the talk only.

My people say “when a person is shouting my people are coming back from market it is appropriate to inquire if the shouter’s offspring is among those coming back fom the market”.

deadie:
You are the biggest mo.ron if you do not understand the point I was making. Obama would have been a slave in today's America because he is black. Is that too difficult to comprehend?

It is very apparent that mad person would be the first to call a sane person mad. I must be ashamed to even reply to a post by an idiotic troll such as you. You are a latent dullard who would refer to Africans as “black” and still frown at Osu. It is beyond the pale of comprehension to identify an individual with hue yet a nincompoop indulged.

It is only in the figment of your deluded imagination that every African in USA would be regarded as slave. Why would Obama be termed a slave? Is his Irish American mother or Kenyan father a slave? It is a moronic slowpoke such as you would jump to such idiotic postulation.   

Osu is a machination of unfortunate circumstance and I am glad such practice has been terminated in Igbo land. It is wasteful thing to run your putrid mouth when a punk such as you could not break the stigma in your autonomous community where you loftily claimed a father as  “king”. It is not unfortunate a jerk such as you have not pronounced your intention to marry Osu. You can not even engage your self acclaimed royally father in civil and harmless discussion of Osu issue talk less of proposing to one

If you can not possibly marry Osu to backup your irrelevant rant on Internet, I urge you to shut the hell up.

Andre Uweh:
^^^
In the first place, there were no local council and councillorship election in Imo state last August.None of them can prove how he emerged by the electorates. The chap appointed as the local govt chairman was here in the U.K with me until the last day he left to pick up that position.
It was just a mere compensation from Ohakim for the job the chap's brother was doing for Ohakim in South Africa.
The PDP primaries in Ihitte-Uboma LGA had earlier on raised one barrister Uhuegbu only for Ohakim to substitute Uhuegbu's name with this chap who was with me here in the Uk TILL THE LAST MINUTE.

I am fully committed to democracy based on Nigerian constitution. It is plainly stated in a certain section of the constitution that INEC should conduct elections for the three tiers of government in Nigeria. I am not bothered with Ohakim’s issue because his it should be handled by the appropriate quarters.

I know some councilors who contested and won the election under platform various political parties including APGA. There is not place in Nigeria constitution that vacated the function of sacking the LGA councilors to the governor of any state.

If Okorocha feels that certain LGA chairmen seats were inherited illegally, he could sponsor the contestant from his party to seek redress through due process of the law by appealing to electoral tribunal.

I guess GEJ should sack Okorocha because there was no gubernatorial election in Oguta LGA.

Roland17:
even if they pronounce the end of the cast system, the mentality would be there for a long time, my Girl back then was very scared we would not get married because she was that shiiiit.

Please for the sake of a curious mind, did you marry the shiiiit?

Refugee 1:
Is the Osu system still in existence. I thought the damn thing was done away with long ago. By the way, who is an Osu? If two people stand unclothed in front of a crowd, one an osu and the other not an one, is there any difference between them. Why do people still abide by useless laws and traditions. As for me, I don't recognize royalty. As a popular Igbo saying goes, everybody is King in his own house. Lest I forget, Colonel Ike Nwosu (child of an Osu) was a one time military administrator of Abia state. All the so-called royal fathers were obeying his commands. So damn the tradition.

Please be cautioned that names and surnames in Igbo land do not necessarily indicate if one is Osu or Ume as in the case of Nwosu or Nwumeh.

deadie:
Let me start by saying that I am not an Osu or Umeh or whatever. My dad is a traditional ruler who is in support of the Osu caste system. I remember having a discussion with him once about it, which ended up making him really mad. The above quoted comments will probably resonate well with my father, but it I see it as the highest level of ignorance that one can display, especially in the 21st century. I am a very proud Igbo man, who really loves my culture. What I love most about us is that we are hardworking and believe in the freedom of religion.

However, this Osu system is probably what I hate most about our culture and anyone who promotes it deserve to be stuck in the slave trade era. I am not speaking from a religious point of view, I don't really consider myself a Christian. I consider myself more of a traditionalist, so why shouldn't I be in favour of the  age  old tradition?

I can't quite tell how Osu and Umeh originated. But let us argue that culture and tradition should be maintained and not changed. The consequence? Obama would be a slave. Every black man in the US would be a slave. I, living in Europe would be a slave. You think it is horrible right? Well, those were White people, doing it to people they considered were less human, so it should be easier to justify. Speak in favour of slavery in the civilised world now and they probably would put you in a museum as an archeological discovery. How about discriminating against your OWN brother, who speaks the same language and shares the same cultural value with you? That is the ultimate, the worst form of discrimination that you can do.

It is really sad that young and educated Igbos can espouse the views quoted above. It just shows that you guys are stuck in ignorance and deserve no place in a modern Igbo society. I salute the royal fathers for their stance. Time to end discrimination against our own. And for you guys who wish for the system to continue, I hope you travel out of your little world to where you would be discriminated against. Classic M.O.R.O.N.S.

I must state categorically that any form of ignorance displayed on this discuss comes from you. You are not only ignorant to the soul but deluded to the nature. You simply can not eat your cake and have it.

You elucidated two schools of thought that tend to contradict your goofy believes about the issue in question. If you publicly accepted the tradition, via your father as traditional ruler and freedom of religion which saw the creation of Osu and still call out those who cherish their religion and culture with moderations, I say you are yet to find your self. It is matter of delusion for you to remotely call Obama, whose grandfather was traditional ruler in Kenya, a slave.

Since you are a self acclaimed prince, thus you father is a traditional ruler as stated, I suggest you blaze the trail by marrying Osu from your autonomous community. It is very funny you wrote about education or lack thereof. Again, I resourcefully say you have no business talking about “education”. I am quite sure you are also deluded about the word-education. By the way, the secondary education I received from my forebears was to understand the dictates of Igbo culture and tradition. In fact, I did not need the four walls of European-styled curriculum to comprehend my space.

Whether you are an Osu or Diala, marriage requires stringent family background investigation unless you are such an imbecilic m.oron who would murder prudence on the altar of stupidity called anti-discrimination.  Nobody has stopped Osu from achieving personal goals in Igboland. Some of the Osu have become anything from school headmaster to governor in Igboland. Who is the fool talking about discrimination?

Kobojunkie:
Dover Delaware University does not exist. Wilmington University is not in Dover, and does not offer a PHD Program. Delaware State University, which happens to be the one main college in Dover does not current offer such a PHD Program. See 419!!

Please do not quick to conclude or dwell on the junk information journalists in Nigeria offer on printable media. Granted Nigerians have tendency to be hyperbolic with academic achievements, there are numerous online outfits that offer any degree program a person desires.

If the alleged sacking of LGA chairmen and councilors is remotely true, I have no other option to question the legal acumen of Rochas Okorocha who has been deemed a lawyer. Nigeria has three structures of government namely federal, state and local government. The tier that is one rung above in the structures does not have legal ground to sack a properly constituted and elected tier of government below it.

The alleged usurpation of authority by Okorocha has opened the door to challenge the legality of his governorship since election in Imo State is still inconclusive because there was no gubernatorial election in Oguta LGA.

Other than the inconsequential UPE introduced in western region of Nigeria by government led Awolowo, what exactly is the acclaimed positive legacy of Awo?

Nija4Life:
I'm really surprised some people think Rochas is going too fast in his reform agenda but I'll rather he throttles along at even a faster pace than he does the opposite which I bet we will still be the ones complaining he's a 'go slow' governor. Governance in Nigeria does need radical reform in the way and manner we do things if we are really serious to develop. Far too much time is spent by politicians doodling and procrastinating over policies thereby giving room for complacency, laziness and looting because people have too much time on their hands doing nothing. The underdevoplment in Imo and indeed Nigeria as a whole is enormous and our leaders need to be in a hurry to catch up with the rest of the world.

My advice to Rochas is not to compromise with his free education policy. However, the policy needs to be matched with a massive infrastructural development of schools in Imo State to be fully equipped and resourced. There should also be a whole new approach to how teachers are trained in order to have the relevant skills and expertise to deliver high quality education in a globalised and changing world. No point in having free education if the education is not going to be worth much which is sadly the case of state funded education in today's Nigeria. He needs to assemble people who know a thing or two about what good education really means and I'm sure there are Imo indigenes both home and in Diaspora that he can bounce off good professional ideas from.

Apart from the oil in Egbema, Imo State is not blessed with abundant natural resources but as previously mentioned we are blessed with human resources. However, we need to develop the capacity of our human resources by investing heavily in a world class education to uplift the ability of our children to develop the dynamism and ideas for new businesses, entrepreneurial skills and new technology that will create wealth for us and future generations.


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This is not issue of “going too fast or slow on the so-called reform agenda” or lack thereof. It is about legality and rule of law as stipulated by the tenant of democracy. I am for reforms which are carried out based on the dictates of law that set precedents.

Based on the first weeks on the job, I can say Ohakim performed better than Okorocha. At least, Ohakim did not leave the Imolites with room to doubts the legality of his actions as Okorocha had already done.

Again, when you are publicly posting assumed facts for public consumption; please make attempt to cull correct facts with respect to crude oil, Egbema and Imo State.

Ogbuefi 1:
The Igala and western Igbo share a lot in common.Traditionally ,the Western Igbo call the Igala "Igah".Some western IGbo towns are said to have originated from Igala and in the town of Ebu an Igala dialect persists.The Igala are the closest friends to Igbos.This is my personal opinion.

While I agree with you on the postulation that Igala are closest friends to Igbo, the people of Ibibio, Annang, Ogoni, “Okirika and Kalabari” can not be overlooked too.

I am not surprised that the lady mentioned in article, Chioma Adeoye, who seems to spearhead the futile effort on Osu is married to a Yoruba man. Any Eze that allowed his family to get involved in OSU issue shall cease to be royalty. The practice that gave rise to Osu system is no longer obtainable in Igboland. Those trying very hard to extricate themselves from the unfortunate cultural maker should be very careful not to rekindle the awareness.

My people say anything scooped from the side of a pot ends at the side of the mouth. Every political move made by Okorocha since he was illegally declared governor of Imo State has been an object of questionable illegality. From the purported letter to the banks in Imo State by his Chief of Staff, the alleged suspension of LGA councilors to sacking of staffs haired through civil service commission.