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The man has a point. There is no way to judge the future but the past. I guess he is the father-in-law of Nuhu Ribadu who loaned him (Ribadu) 45 million naira to purchase a house in Abuja. The man’s allusion that disintegration of Nigeria can not be peaceful is spot on. |
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=578479.msg7457179#msg7457179 date=1294117175]My guess is that his long career in IMF has helped him garner this support. Also, these international bodies do not support Gbagbo's presidency so opposition was probably welcome as a result. but seriously though, why would you tear up the result of an election in front of cameras and prevent the result from being aired and not expect opposition from the international community? To me, the best solution is to conduct the elections over again. no rigging. but is that possible?[/quote]All politics are local. When other countries and international bodies delve into local issues such Ivorian election, the result has always been chaos or civil war. It must recall that first position held in IMF does necessarily qualify Alassane Ouattara as a presidential candidate in Ivory Coast. It has been brazenly stated that Alassane Ouattara is an Ivorian interloper and this has been collaborated when he accepted to become Deputy Governor of BCEAO, a position which was reserved for Burkina Faso. Alassane Ouattara is a Burkinabe whom France, USA, European Union and UN are trying very hard to foist on the people of Ivory Coast as president. |
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=578479.msg7457144#msg7457144 date=1294116044]The Ivory Coast constitution chairman = Gbagbo's friend Paul Yao Ndre. the person who makes constitutional decisions does not represent the people. I'm sure if I'm an Ivorian, I don't want my president ruling for 20 yrs. Thats a DICTATOR not a president. What kind of constitution justifies this? the write up annoys me for the same reason many people have pointed out. Also, no where does it talk about the wants and decisions of the Ivorian people although these are the people who matter the most. what it seems to be saying is that Paul Yao Ndre's decision is the ultimate. constitutional power is vested on the decision and opinion of this man with "anointing powers". The whole farce is ridiculous.[/quote]I would not want my president to rule for 20 years either. However, the stipulation of a country’s constitution and the manner of the majority would have more to say to it than a lone voice. But you failed to tell us that the wife of Alassane Ouattara is a French woman hence France’s support for her husband has a string attached. |
Kobojunkie:Please explain the essence of this reference such as “the election of the President of the Republic is acquired by an absolute majority of the suffrage expressed” within Article 36 of the Ivorian Constitution. There was an absolute majority in the first round of the election unless the phrase is referring to a certain threshold. This is a quote from a previous post by violent thus “Gbagbo has ruled Ivory Coast for ten years, five of which he earned by continually postponing general elections. On October 31, 2010, elections were held in which the turn-out was 80%. In the first round, Conan Bedie had 25%, Alassane Ouattara had 32% and Laurent Gbagbo had 38%.” If you do Math, you should realize there is more in this Ivorian convoluted election and its results than eyes could see. It was allegedly gathered that 80% turn-out for election yet the summation of results showed 95%. Without any equivocation, I should say the second result that was announced from Hotel Du Golf, stating Alassane Ouattara had won by over 54% as against Gbagbo’s 46% was internationally staged fraud. It indicates that there was 100% turn-out during the second round. |
violent:Again the penchant to circumvent any process in Africa is depthless. I guess the Ivory Coast is living under presidential system not parliamentary system where coalition is arranged aftermath. The child’s play by Konan Bedie can never be tolerated in well behaved society. If Konan Bedie’s so-called supporters have the same boorish behavior like their candidate, I can comfortably say certain rights are privileges that can be denied. |
Beaf:Same with GEJ. ![]() |
violent:I do not care if Laurent Gbagbo has ruled Ivory Coast for twenty (20) years as long as the Ivory Coast’s constitution stipulates his stay in power. The problems of Africans include lack of integrity and penchant to circumvent constituted process. As you stated Konan Bedie was candidate for first round and should remain a candidate for second. If Konan Bedie tends to drop out of election midway, every vote accrued by his candidature must be disqualified. The primordial idea of a candidate being coached to support another candidate after first round of election is unacceptable in any society. |
[quote author=Ma_J_Blige link=topic=578694.msg7455893#msg7455893 date=1294094465]In customs. In government. I even heard this man was dismissed from the Nigerian Customs. This man headed the privatisation project, selling most public businesses to himself and his cronies. This man was in government for 8 years, amassing wealth for and to himself and his family. This man now runs a University where he claims he pays his teachers $1million PA. What has this man got in his portfolio to make him suitable to come around and want to rule Nigeria as a President? What? To steal us dry again? To buy more houses in Poto? To fight everyone and offer nothing worth talking about? What?[/quote]GEJ was in Nigerian Customs, hall of academia, a deputy governor, governor, vice president and now president yet could not significantly point at one concrete achievement. In the light of your question, Atiku is even the lesser of the two evils. |
violent:The issue of Ivory Coast is a brazen example of neo-colonialism swiping across African content all in the deceitful frame of “New World Order”. Did you inquire why France, USA, EU and UN brought the so-called president of the Independent Electoral Commission, Mr Youssouf Bakayoko, to the Hôtel du Golf, the campaign headquarters of Mr Ouattara, facing the foreign press, including France 24, in order to declare wrongful results? |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=71106.msg7362740#msg7362740 date=1292696665]@Dede1: All that might be well and fine, but I suspect that when negotiating a new nation, they'll seek certain constitutional rights. That at the end of the day is more important than the things you mention. Anyway, it doesn't appear that any of these Akwa Ibom/Cross River folks have posted here yet. So mostly we are speculating until we get a sense of what they think.[/quote]It is unfortunate you have not read up how Biafra came to be and also ignorant of the fact that eastern region of Nigeria had a functional constitution which was drawn by majority of eastern region minority delegates. I have always believed in precedents. If the so-called Odua and Arewa republics will survive without Ndigbo and eastern region of Nigeria, why did Odua and Arewa foisted a war of attrition on Biafra? This nonsensical phase about Igbo land being landlocked is propagandist ploy to abuse the mind of undiscerning onlooker such as eku_bear. |
With this windfall, is there any reason Nigerian that expects the political love peddlers who pass as State Governors to support any other presidential candidate than GEJ? |
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=576044.msg7446832#msg7446832 date=1293936538]When I wrote about 21st century ideas, I actually wasn't referring to the traditional systems of Ndigbo but, to the general welfare of Ndigbo in this present age of the 21st century. I believe I highlighted some of the issues concerning us under the bolded headline: Debatable Progressive Ideas. A typical idea is the issue of the registration of all Ndigbo on a centrally managed database etc. "This would not be based on radicalism as we're not setting out to "lord it over" other ethinic groups neither are we trying to inflate our collective self-worth beyond our imagination" What I meant is that in pursuing a strong Igbo ideology required to galvanise our reorientation, interests and the likes, we should be cautious on how we conduct ourselves about these programmes. There've been painful events that've cost us severely in the past such as the actions of Nzeogwu and the civil war - all of which portrayed our people in bad light.[/quote]Just for the sake of the moment, the idea of the registration of Ndigbo on a centrally managed database would be an idea ahead of its time and place. Such endeavor would be futile effort as Ndigbo are currently part of a dilapidated Nigeria. It could have being a wonderful idea if Republic of Igbo-land existed. Baring concerted efforts to sabotage the aforementioned database within the unique form of Nigeria; I say good idea including etiquette and manner of dressing. But we must bear in mind that certain Igbo traditional dressing flows from sort of social strata. I disagree that the actions of Nzeogwu and the civil war portray Ndigbo in bad light. In fact, I can not continue this discussion of Nzeogwu and civil war on this Igbo traditionally inclined post. |
@OP Any Nigerian who rejoiced over this criminal indictment on cesspit called Nigeria through the original post should not be allowed a chance to free air. Probably, the experts from USA should send the scrap metals from the bomb scene to the university laboratories in USA for analysis of alloy used in preparing the bomb. It is a shame that Nigeria, for 50 years as country, can not investigate high school prank. I am still amazed why Nigerians or Africans should be upset when disdainfully looked upon by Europeans, Asians or Americans. This is another proof that Africa, maybe with the exception of RSA, does not belong. |
Nigeria is a modern jungle. It is a preposterous move on the part of the police to order the arrest of Senator Teslim Folarin after the alleged meeting by the Police Management team chaired by the Inspector General of Police. I guess police management meeting has taken the place of professional police investigation. What a country indeed. |
@OP Most Nigerians are plain stup-id. The word, tribe, does not connote derogatory by any definition. The people calling for the ban of the word – tribe have inferior mentality complex. Funny enough, the same people calling for the ban will gladly indulge in the use of racism. Racism is a misnomer academically and has no fundamental usage since there is only one race on earth which is human. I could not stop laughing when an individual posted the definition of tribe pointing to preliterate people. Do people actually know the meanings of illiterate and literate? However, the antagonistic trolls of the word – tribe sit much at home with racism because their superior masters have found favor in “White and Black”, a phrase that is intellectually bereft of any reasons. It is a matter of idiocy to define a human by hue. Please google the phrase -“European Tribe” and get educated. |
Beaf:Have you pause for a moment and posit why the colonial powers tend to support junks from northern parts as against the southern parts in all the major conflicts in Africa. I think south/north divide will be suitable for Ivory Coast now since the iniquities of civil war are still at rest. |
My solution is to deconstruct Nigeria. Nigeria is a colonial relic its foundation was wrongly conceived. |
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=576044.msg7444739#msg7444739 date=1293897322]Dede1, Every society needs 21st century (or latest) ideas to progress - whether it likes it or not and, the Igbo nation isn't an exception. Without sounding melodramatic over my posts, this was entirely a thread were I originally intended to discuss the Structural make-up of Ohanaeze Ndigbo - as I'm unaware of its structure - as well as debate some of the issues which affect us as Ndigbo. Where I might've been wrong in my suggestions, it could be forgiven after all, we're all here to debate issues dear to us.[/quote]Please elaborate more on the idea of 21st century as pertaining to Igbo tradition and culture. Again, you wrote “We need a strong Igbo ideology which is embedded and encompases our language, culture, dressing, relationships and sense of self-worth. This would not be based on radicalism as we're not setting out to "lord it over" other ethinic groups neither are we trying to inflate our collective self-worth beyond our imagination.” I agree on parts of this statement. However, I do not understand how the manner which Ndigbo pursue its tradition would be a matter of concern to other ethnic groups. Bros, I am with you on going back to fundamentals of Igbo culture and tradition. I am schooled on Igbo culture and tradition to certain extent. For example, the marriage procedures of today are alien to those of yesteryears. Probably, it could be the idea of 21st century you referred in your post. |
[quote author=dem_people link=topic=576044.msg7431110#msg7431110 date=1293662865]We're in the 21st century and since about 70% of Nigerians are youths, it goes to say that most of us (if not all of us) on nairaland are youths. With this, we need 21st century ideas to progress. Collectively, we could develop concrete ideas here on nairaland for the benefit and welfare of our people. We all agree that Igboland is a nation or, could be regarded as such. Debatable Progressive Ideas: 1) I've been discussing with a few like-minds about the possibility of registering all Ndigbo - both in Nigeria and in diaspora - on a central database. There'll be a registration of births and deaths, just as it is done in developed countries. 2) Drastic decrease of abuse of important traditional titles in Igboland such as Ikemba, Dikedioramma, Dike Ndigbo ji-eje mba etc. Also, there should be a reorientation on use of the word "Chief" as, this is not an Igbo name. We should endeavour to replace it with the name; Dike (which by the way, is a proper Igbo name similar to English version of being a knight (SIR). We should also make sure that people who are made Dike, are worthy sons of Ndigbo of which Ndigbo respect unlike nowadays that anyone with some cash to spare, could "buy-off" certain people in other to be titled. We need dignity and integrity to be associated with such titles and, the people whom have been privileged to bear them. 3) Completion of Asusu Igbo. It goes without saying that some Ndigbo (and they're rising), can't speak our beloved language. Infact, Alaigbo is a nation where foreign languages such as English, are "more sexy" to be spoken than the NATIVE asusu Igbo itself. This is a shame and indeed, a major sign of the ultimate demise of a nation - no matter where the nation is situated. 4) Major reorientation of Ndigbo. Again, just like the issue of our language, to say that our culture is fast becoming extinct, is stating the obvious. We need a strong Igbo ideology which is embedded and encompases our language, culture, dressing, relationships and sense of self-worth. This would not be based on radicalism as we're not setting out to "lord it over" other ethinic groups neither are we trying to inflate our collective self-worth beyond our imagination. There should be a true desire to see Alaigbo as the ultimate holy land for us - and not Jerusalem. Guys, I could go on and on. I've/we've got many ideas but, we need to start somewhere. Lets not fold our arms and expect Ohanaeze to do everything for us. We should be the changes that we seek. This is grassroot changes and mobilization at its best. We already have a thread here. Lets start these discussions. Igbo Kwenu!!![/quote]I guess you meant something else and wrote another. The first paragraph of this post almost sent me looking the other way. I really did not understand the idea of 21st century as oppose to centuries of yesteryears. Also, I do not think “Dike” has anything to do with Knight and acronym (SIR). As in other traditions, Igbo tradition is very rigid and can not tolerate the cavalierly approach of the so-called 21st century. However, there still could be subtle fundamental changes. By the way, I appreciate the issues raised in the post. |
[quote author=Ileke-IdI]I live @ Jackson ville, zip code 90899. . . . if you have the balls, come and slap me. Ode, I'll show you that where I am is not your village where female abuse reigns. Something you should have been taught by female counterparts in your family.[/quote]Yet you demonstrated a degree of ecstasy on hearing that few peeps were arrested for hoisting Biafran flag. I guess your attention needs to be directed to the fact that certain individuals still fly Confederate flag in USA without governmental molestation. Anyway, adulterers have been known to cast the first stone on a person charged with adulterous crime. |
I am afraid Ndigbo will be at receiving end if total anarchy besieges Nigeria. Ndigbo seemed to have forgotten that a barking dog without teeth can not bite. |
What is the cause of this recent political infatuation UN, European Union and copycat African Union seemed to have on Alassane Ouattara? Whenever the UN or European Union shows political fancy on any African running for a position such as presidency, the African must have shown a pedigree as a qualified porter. |
Only blind individuals or political ingrates would think that Nigeria is bound to progress as presently configured. Nigeria is a colonial machination constructed with no future growth in mind. It was further mangled in 1967 by the idio.tic Gowon who was supported by cabals of ingrates. Present calls for Sovereign National Conference and suggestions of using NASS to arbitrate the fundamental socio-political problems of the cesspit called Nigeria tantamount to deceitful procrastination. Everybody knows that any sort of procrastination is a lazy man’s apology. I sue for total disintegration of Nigeria and would not mind if it leads to 150 nations. |
It is very shameful to witness neo-colonialism in Africa which is being aided by the so-called African Union and ECOWAS. How many elections in Asia have UN and European Union decided the winner? Elections are very local and in the case of the election in Ivory Coast, the people Ivory Coast are final arbiter period. |
@POST Who the hell does Buhari think he is? If the alleged sanitization of Nigeria society as credited to Buhari is true, I suggest he should start with himself. Mahammadu Buhari is an epitome of indiscipline as far as Nigeria is concerned. He should not have been in the army if not for the handiwork of corrupt northern region politicians. He is a product of Nigerian political nepotism. Buhari has failed to show an iota of discipline since he has made himself a perennial Nigerian presidential candidate. And to make the matter worst, he has turned himself into political love peddler by jumping from one political party’s bed to another. I shall take a known lady love peddler over Buhari because the lady might have come from a humble background. |
margaritav:I suggest you apply a little bit of intelligence to this discuss. The load of emotional outburst in your posts will bereave your argument any streak of intellectualism. You are not more annoyed than me because Bakassi was ceded to Cameroon. I maybe more disturbed than you because of the circumstances surrounding ceding of Bakassi to Cameroon. All I am saying is precedent had been established between Nigeria and Cameroon in the department of ceding territories to each other. Nigeria could equally post claim on Kumba. |
Of course, Awolowo had no equals in tribal politics. He was my favorite political operative during his era. |
Intelligent and socially cultured people follow precedents. If I may say anything about this alleged claim of Obudu Ranch by Cameroonian government, it is possible to come through. The ICJ decided the case of Bakassi based primarily on the fact that the imaginary boundary line between German-Cameroon and British-Nigeria ran from the Atlantic Ocean to Lake Chad. Inside the boundary line on the Cameroon’s side are places such Bakassi, Obudu Ranch, some part of Oguja, Adamawa and Borno. If precedent had established that Bakassi belongs to Cameroon, I shall not bet against Obudu Ranch and some other places now in Nigeria being ceded to Cameroon if its government decides to pursue such course of action. |
naijaking1:I am disappointed that this stream of thought (bolded in red) emanates from you. Most people who knew about the fake structure of “One-Nigeria” have never wavered in their resolves to see real nations states grow out of the rubbles of disintegrated colonial contraption called Nigeria. As long as “abandon property” remains a physical pointer to the outcome of Nigeria/Biafra war, I say the civil war is not over by any stretch of imagination. |
strangerf:Pal, I must say that your intellectual deterioration is latent in nature and irreversible. It is widely known that stup.idity can not be fixed. If this silly object is an example of your peoples’ ingenuity, may I ask why your retarded lineages have jettisoned the facial mutilation as depicted on the object? |
Ymodulus:Your father could be of the same age with Ojukwu or older or even younger. I guess referring to man old enough to be your father as “dirty stinking” stems from your family experiences. Which of your old folks is dirty stinking stump? |
strangerf:The last time I checked though, the object known as “Chain” is very earthly. Does this suggest Oduduwa fairy tale was another conjectural crap from that part of universe? |
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