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I have even reiterated in my previous posts that Igbo culture does not allow a widow to be cheated out of her husband’s properties even when the woman does not have male child for the husband. However, it is a total different case if the man had a male child from another woman regardless of their marital status.

Aigbofa: Maybe, but that is not the norm.

I am not trying to sell you something because I am not an expert on Yoruba culture. However, the little I know about Yoruba culture, the marriage rules as it relates to in-laws and place of a married and unmarried woman is very harsher in Yoruba than Igbo.

Aigbofa: Are you trying to tell me women do not inherit their father's property in Yorubaland? If that is what you are saying, then you are wrong.

There is a prominent and wealthy Yoruba man who died. It happens that the man had some kids (male and female) besides the wedded wife; the first son of the man drove everybody out of certain houses owned by his dead father. Even the sisters of the first son tried to intervene, he equally shut them out.

Aigbofa: Does the father have any say in this? What if he wrote a will that his daughter should inherit everything?

I guess you are Yoruba and I have lived in Yoruba land too long to know that the instance of your insinuation is a misguided dream. The father of the girl is also a custadian of culture and tradition unless he is Agbaya or Efullefu.

Theblessed: [b][size=16pt] Yes, so far as you and your kind that lacks morals are favoured by this nasty tradition - there's nothing you could see wrong, with Igbo tradition.

Based on that, I repeat, as long as we are entitled not to be sold into slavery by this up coming Legislation, we are also, entitled to our inheritance! The two must go, hand-in-hand because, women inheritance began in the Bible.

And, if you lot claim to be Christians, you should all emulate Christ!

He came to mediate for us in the New Covenant, righting all the wrongs of the Old Covenant (Moses law) and thus, made that law obsolete - where women are dis-inherited immediately after they got married - they hand back to the family their inheritance.

Yes, in the Old Covenant, our Most Righteous, Fair and Just God recognised the need for women to be given their inheritance as he declared in the first ever, land mark case on women inheritance in the Bible - the Zelophehad's 5 daughter's case that came up to Moses and God declared favour to them - they won their case with CONDITIONS attached that, once they got married, the inheritance revert back to the family(Numbers Chpts. 27 and 36).
And afterwards, that was wrong in the eyes of God!

Yes, some things were wrong in the Old Covenant (Moses law)!

God having considered many of these things, e.g. continuous animal sacrifices for the atonement of sins, divers laws, rules and regulation that discriminated against God's children for example in Deutronomy Chpt. 23 v. 1 - 6... KJV stipulates:

" He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord". Wow!!!

Also that," A b a s t a r d should not enter into the congregation of the Lord, even to the tenth generation (as if it was his fault he was born a b a s t a r d?).

Again,"An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter...for ever! And, one would ask, were they not God's creation and children?

As you can see, these are just few reasons, our God made a New Covenant thus condemning the the Old Covenant (Moses law). It was not appropriate therefore, the Most High God sent His beloved Only Son - Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to come and Redeem us, and He Atone for our Salvation with His Precious Blood once and for all thus, the New Covenant condemned the Old law and made it obsolete (Hebrew Chpts. 8, 9 and 10 - NIV).

With Christ - the New Covenant was more tolerant and favourable to all mankind thus, giving us equal rights that is Fair and Just in the sight of God!

We can now, inherit from our fathers just as our brothers whether in the back garden in the village or on top of the mountain in Jericho - it doesn't matter as long as Daddy has given it to me - it is mine and I can do whatever I like with it, get it!

That's God's Will!

And, you CAINS sons of Adam said no - you must control, dominate and intimidate your sisters over their inheritance and our Fair and Righteous God will fight for us on this up coming battle in the Imo State House of Assembly - time will tell!

Just watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I do not know what seemed to rile you so up and high about Igbo culture. Are you sure you are Igbo? If someone cheated you out of something, I suggest you find a way to settle it and leave Igbo culture out of it. Marriage in Igbo land is not and can not be remotely equate to slavery. I have lived under marriage umbrella too long to understand you are ignorantly clueless to have marriage within Igbo culture in the same sentence with slavery.

As for your bible and Christianity crap, you are preaching sermon to the wrong person because I am not interested in alien religions such as Christianity, Islam, Jewish or Orthodox.
Thanks goodness that Igbo culture had stated unequivocally that you can not eat your cake and have it.

Please ruminate on this: For instance, your husband inherited two plots of land from his father. He sold one of the plots and bought you a Masarati. Now you are enjoying it. Your bother also inherited two plots of land from your father and he is married with two kids. Also, your had planned to sell one of his inherited plot of land to buy his wife a Masarati so she can equally enjoy as you do. Suddenly, you woke one morning and decided to lay claim on the very plot of land your brother had wanted to sell in order to buy his wife a car.

In this scenario, I ask you honestly, who is nasty, inconsiderate and outright ungrateful?

Kobojunkie: Please do not stoop so low as to put words in my mouth next. I said again . . .

Was there any need to stoop low and put words in your mouth? I wish you good luck in your endeavor to abstain from ignorant criticisms of Igbo culture.

Kobojunkie: Like I said . . .

You have agreed that a woman can not carry jar of palm wine and walk to faraway community to ask for a man’s hand in marriage.

Also, you agreed that any woman who enjoys the husband’s inherited properties and insists on denying the wife of her brother the chance to enjoy same, all in the name of inheritance or lack thereof, is nasty, inconsiderate, outright ungrateful and wantonly greedy.

Kobojunkie: You know what? You gave me exactly the sort of response I expected from you(going by what I have learnt of how you analyze most every issue). I am not surprised and goodluck.

You can hit me with low blows and there is no doubt I can take it. However do not pull illogicality with me. Igbo culture on inheritance mandated a simple, clear and logical conclusion.

For instance, your husband inherited two plots of land from his father. He sold one of the plots and bought you a Masarati. Now you are enjoying it. Your bother also inherited two plots of land from your father and he is married with two kids. Also, your brother had planned to sell one of his inherited plot of land to buy his wife a Masarati so she can equally enjoy as you do. Suddenly, you woke one morning and decided to lay claim on the very plot of land your brother had wanted to sell in order to buy his wife the same car.

In this scenario, I ask you honestly, who is nasty, inconsiderate and outright ungrateful?

Kobojunkie: You and I know it is not that easy. Ofcourse people can carry palm wine jars any distance today, but we know it is not that easy. And we know the sort of taboo attached to such acts to begin with.



Culture was not created by nature, but by humans and so it is not necessarily about human nature but about rules created by elders just like the one's you have today.

Equality talk was to your comment that the males and females are seen as humans in this culture. How can that be true if the rules that apply to one human does not apply to the other on the bases of gender? That there is clear indication that some humans are second-class according to the culture hence unequal. We know the man gets to buy, the man gets to inherit, and the woman gets what? You still haven't answered that question.

Sure, but the culture does not openly discourage it either, so it remains a big problem, so much so that even Educated women find themselves in hell as a result of that culture.

There are about 2 50-something-year-old women still seeking to have male children so they can get some of that wealth they worked hard with their husbands to acquire over the years. The one who is not even a Nigerian, her husband has about 6 boys with other women and so this woman is tortured each day that her hardwork might end up in the hands of women who her husband cheated on her with. Imagine that kind of torture.

I do not believe in the word, cheat, as it relates to man and woman or husband and wife. In the case of another woman bearing child for a man, I say wherever the child comes, may he or she have a long life. Of course, the properties of the husband go to husband’s surviving sons regardless the status of their mother because the 50-year old with only female children would not take the properties to her grave.

The female ones will in turn get married and enjoy what their husbands inherited from their respective fathers. Let us remove greediness within us, a thing Igbo culture has addressed. I guess you do not want to enjoy the properties your husband inherited from his father and at the same usurp the enjoyment meant for the wife of your brother.

I do not believe it is true culture is not created by nature but human. Nature gave rise to human and environment hence culture. Humans only added certain rules that govern our behaviors. For example, there were man and woman before the talk of inheritance. Maybe due to the need to reproduce our kind which saw off a woman being betrothed to faraway man and migratory dictates of human nature led to the inheritance scenario the Igbo culture mandates.

Nigeria is already on the slippery path of disintegration. However one of the cardinal points remains that most Nigerians are not deliberate in their thought processes. Of course, disintegration will not automatically usher furious progress and development.

But if the disintegration follows careful thought out process where cultural affinity and close historical background stand as a beacon, the disintegration will bring much needed progressive development to the nation states out of the rubbles of Nigeria.

Kobojunkie: I am sorry but according to you, the ONLY way a woman can inherit her own father's wealth is if she refused marriage and remained single till he died. But the son's can go ahead, marry whenever they wanted and still get inheritance. Does that sound like an EQUAL deal to you?
Also, in the case of their husband's death, there is no guarantee that the woman will even get her husbands property because in many cases, she still remains a second-class citizen. Plus if she does not have a male child, the chances of her inheriting anything from her husband's side are near nil.

And you say there are certain things culture reserves for woman? Pray tell, what are they?

Again, if you are able to carry a jar of palm wine, journey to a faraway community, marry a man and bring him to your father’s compound and live with him as husband and wife then you can inherit your father’s compound and landed property. Until you can accomplish the task, the culture and tradition of Igbo land remain rigidly intact.

Nothing is EQUAL in human nature so forgot about the equality talk. I do not know where you are pulling the facts about a woman being denied her proper claim on her husband’s property. Even if the woman does not have a male child, Igbo culture does not encourage such thing.

Kobojunkie: It is time that practice ends. Women are also humans.

Igbo culture and tradition never remotely insinuate that women are not human beings. There are certain things the culture solely reserved for women in Igbo land. Should those also change because of individual greed? A woman who is married in faraway community would hardly point out the boundary of her father’s landed property in an isolated jungle talk less claiming it.
Again, it is foolhardy to talk of destroying peoples' culture and tradition because of the ticks of the clock.

@OP

This is not 1967 picture. Picture probably depicts when he was a student at Barewa College. In 1967, babaginda was already a Lieutenant in Nigerian armed force.

Theblessed: [b][size=16pt]Listen, you're living in cuckoo land with regards to Igbo traditions!

The women who are living the realities of this unfair system are informing you of their every day experiences and you're here arguing blindly.

Yes, "Idu Ulo" is an ancient Igbo tradition, and not all clans, hamlets and families are respecting it, in this present time hence, the suffering of these women.

Also, it is an Igbo tradition, for a father when he is alive to allocate any of his village land - I repeat, any of his village land (not those in towns, not shares etc) if he wishes, to his first daughter mainly - whether married or not, and no one dares take it from her - lai, lai, lai!

But these days, the son's would take it from her - is it not our culture and shouldn't we 'Uphold' it?

Now tell me, how many clans, hamlets and families are respecting that, today None, and you are here promoting respect for Igbo traditions, the ones you chose, abi?

We only have to respect those ones that favours you and your clans men, abi??

In that case, all Igbo traditions should now, be reviewed and quick to stop these injustices...!

Imaine, you come here to inform me about our traditions - I am "Ada na Nne and Nna" and you can't tell me about my culture![/size][/b]

If you really want to share in the landed property of your father, you should not bother about bride price. You should reject or should have rejected all available suitors so that you will the person to occupy your father’s compound when he has gone to his forbearers. If you have any intention of usurping the position of your male siblings, I should remind you that Ndigbo do not buy land from a woman. Again, the only landed property a woman inherits in Igbo land is through her husband. My people say that only a foolish Ada (the first female child in a family) does not know she is a “stranger”.

There is nothing wrong with Igbo tradition except where it demands sacrifice of ultimate price. I speak authoritatively that such traditional demands have been put rest in Igbo land.

@OP

The essence of talking about indigenization and amendment to Nigeria constitution in one sentence explains the reason Nigeria is a cesspit. It is either the Nigerian constitution does not guarantee individuals the inalienable right as indigenes of Nigeria regardless of the state or Nigeria is a practical joke.

I have to reiterate the most reasonable thing to do about Nigeria in order to open the door to wave of progress is disintegration. I sincerely expect the disintegration to be peaceful. However, if war is the only the workable option, I say so be it. All these moans about indigenization and resource control are silly copouts and mischievous shenanigans.

asha 80: dede there is a difference btw doing what you said and paying close to a million to marry a girl

Bros, I honestly deduce that this cry of high bride price is a calculated copout.

Nobody has been turned back from marriage engagement because of bride price. In Igbo land, marriage does not end in day. Rather it is a gradual process between families and in fact, communities.

asha 80: you have no idea what you you are saying.

Even if the marriage is free of charge, a man who can not serve himself three plates of meal a day will not think of the trouble.

It is diabolically idiotic for any person to remotely insinuate that bride price is the reason behind the increase in the number of the unmarried youths in Nigeria in general or Imo State in particular. The major issue is lack of jobs. An empty stomach does not think about marriage.

mbulela: with all his fraudulent tendencies, Ohakim is laughing his heart out.
Imo State are on a very long thing.

Bros, can you imagine this arrant nonsense.

BlackPikiN: Imo State Parliament To Fix A Common Bride Price For All Indigenes

Citing the increase in the number of the unmarried youths in their communities, the Traditional Parliament in Nigeria’s eastern state of Imo, Owerri, passed its first resolution on the harmonization of bride price in all communities in the state.

The motion, entitled, “Motion on the Harmonization of the Marriage Institution in Imo”, was moved by Eze Duru Okwudor and Eze Obi II of Okwudor in Njaba Local Government Area alongside other traditional rulers.

Okwudor identified high pride price and difficulties involved in the process of traditional marriage as some of the reasons for a change in the system.

He noted that the behaviour of some parents and community leaders on the issue of bride price during marriage was a source of worry to young adults.

“What obtains in the marriage institution today leaves much to be desired. It is as if the parents want to sell their daughters. If this is allowed to continue it will translate into a big problem to our youths who want to marry,” he said.

Okwudor, therefore, listed the process by which marriage would be made less cumbersome and cheaper to both the family of the would-be bride and the bridegroom. The motion was seconded by Eze Ekperechukwu of Obowo.

However, Eze Ekwueme Ekwueme, the Ochia of Ohaji Ebgema, opposed the motion and urged the parliament to allow communities to decide on the bride price.

He said it would be out of place for the traditional rulers to decide for parents, who had spent much in training their daughters, on how much to collect for bride price.

Another motion tabled before the parliament was the motion on “The Presentation and Sharing of Kola nuts in Imo.”

The motion was introduced by Eze Okwara Echi from Nkwere Local Government Area and supported by three other traditional rulers.

Then the issue of speaking of Igbo Language compulsory in the state schools was raised.

Reacting, the Chairman of Imo State Council of Traditional Rulers, Eze Samuel Ohiri, noted that the motion on kola nuts would be deliberated upon by a committee that would be formed by the parliament while that on the speaking of Igbo Language would be reintroduced.

The highpoint of the parliament sitting was the formalization and conferment of the title of Owelle Gburugburu of Igbo land (Traditional Prime Minister of NdiIgbo) on Gov. Rochas Okorocha.

The motion for the conferment of the title was moved by Eze Obiefula, Ezedibia of Nekede, and seconded by Eze Onwuchiribeya Mmerenni of Umudibia in Owerri West Local Government Area.

They noted that the governor deserved the title considering his leadership qualities and achievements in the state in his one year in office.

Responding, the Governor thanked the traditional rulers for the award, saying that the title signified “a big journey that has just started.”

He pledged his unalloyed support to the success of the traditional parliament.



http://dailypost.com.ng/2012/08/17/imo-state-parliament-fix-common-bride-price-indigenes/

I never envisioned that one day a situation described by this thread will come to pass but thanks to moronic Rochas Okorochas who assembled these panhandlers who called themselves eze to indulge in a such despicable pranks.

asha 80: adapalm did not generate revenue for imo state for the past ten years is not in question.reason is simple.it was being run by government and as someone from that state i know the mentality so it is no suprise why revenue was not generated,instead what adapalm was getting was subevention which is quite frankly rather stupid for a plantation that is supposed ti be run as a business and generating money for the state..the problem i have is whether these seedlings or plantaion he is initiating is still going to be run by govt.

Bros, you are now catching my drift. This governor blows too much hot air. The article allegedly referred to Imo State in connection with the palm plantation. Individuals from Imo State do not go to Abuja for the federal allocation

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]Will you please gerrout outta here with this your useless mother in law nonsense?

If you want someone that will be teri-baleing even for the ants in your house just because you did her a favor by marrying her, go marry a baboon in the bush.

Here in the real world, people EARN the respect they are awarded.

Nonsense!![/quote]What a real world indeed. If it is a real world, why do you not carry palm wine and set out to marry a man? You can not eat your cake and have it. If you remotely think this is a real world, do not abuse a minor period. African method of discipline begets African reality. If you slap your husband’s relatives, you shall receive a beat down.

asha 80: adapalm was not generating revenue to imo state at least for the last ten years.

If Adaplam did not generate revenue for Imo State, probably the palm seedlings Rochas Okorocha intends to plant will generate revenue for Imo State. I guess this so-called governor of Imo State has a magical wand.

Aigbofa: Of course, everything is a mirage to you as long as it doesn't have Biafran colors.

I always come with the truth. Unfortunately, it does not sit well with people who are bent on dissemination of falsehood.

Chivivian125: relative or no relative,lets call a spade a spade...you dont go abt slapping people's wife except u know of course dat the husband is a weakling...if d younger brother has bn a terror,a no nonsense person,d man who called himself is elder brother wudnt have done such

I am not into sentimental jokes. A wife is not a blood relation and can decide to leave the husband on the instance, vis-à-vis. This scenario has happened several times. However, I have not heard that a brother left brother or sister except death.
Now a wife or husband should not forget the cardinal relationship among human beings. What you forgot is that the elder brother could be a terrorist extra-ordinary.

PhysicsQED: I'm not failing to understand anything.

You can't just insinuate that because cocoa is not a traditional African crop that it was only being sold in the 50s when that is false (rather, it was only worth a lot more starting around the early 50s), and you can't also just insinuate that the sale of palm oil from the rest of southern Nigeria was covering the costs of the colony of Lagos when the colony of Lagos was itself selling palm oil unless you can show that the palm oil and other revenue from the colony of Lagos was so much less than that of the rest of southern Nigeria that it would not have been able to stand alone. This is a very simple thing to understand.

Baring the melancholic exaggeration of western region’s achievement in 50s, the aforementioned region pledged poverty in 1951 when Shell D’arcy threatened to discontinue crude oil exploration in Southern Protectorate. The hype about cocoa being major earner for western region of Nigeria was a political gimmick. The actual revenue earner was timber from what later became mid-western region.

There was no doubt British directed every source of revenue toward Lagos Colony which acted as the seat of colonial government.

coogar: lessons painfully learnt then - next time she would think twice before touching another man's child!

I guess she had learnt her lessons too.

coogar: why didn't the madam report the neice to her husband or the girl's parents? if they then give her the go ahead to "discipline" her then she is free to do so. nigerians and their willingness to beat other people's children - animalistic attitude. i read someone saying the woman should report to the authorities -duh! she would be jailed first for abusing a child before her own case would be heard!

If they had given her the go-ahead light to discipline, not abuse her, the father of the teenage girl would not have driven to the madam house to deliver slaps without allowing the madam to utter a word.

freecocoa: You are the brainless one here mister,except you are not Nigerian then maybe i'll understand whatever it is you are spewing here.

In this country we slap and even cane children and as long as its not extreme then no wahala,you think we have time for that rubbish onyibo people do,"you are grounded" mstcheww,if you don't like the way i sound,kill yourself but we cannot let our kids insult us outrightly and get away with it.

You are moronically idiotic to insinuate that being a Nigerian is also animalistic. I am born and bred in Nigeria and have seen some wicked women such as you treat housemaids like slaves and will not lay a finger on their own kids. From the story, the 14 year old is not her maid and even if she is, does not give the madam the audacity to turn her into punching bag.
The madam was lucky the 14 year old girl did not break her head.

hardbody: Dede, I agree with you up to the point that where a teenager under my roof subject to my food, water and shelter misbehaves, she should be reported. I am aware that there are one-off steps that need to be taken on the spur of the moment. If this kid were spewing rubbish, will you say, keep talking, i will tell your uncle when he gets back? A 'shut-up' slap will be ideal and i will not expect the husband, the BIL or their patriarch to make an issue out of this discipline. It does not qualify as child abuse, at least not in the Nigeria (African)context. The truth is, when you put yourself up to live under the same roof with another, you are exposed to reasonable discipline and correction. The flip side is that your guardian is also answerable to your parents if you become wayward or in the extreme, anything untowards happens to you (the child). In truth, i subscribe to the idea that families should steer clear of married couples, let them manage themselves the best they can.

Hard

There were many avenues open to the madam to resolve the issue without going physical with the teenage girl. As a matter of the fact, the madam did not show iota of discipline in her for slapping the 14 year girl. She should have reported the ill-behaved teenage to the uncle or even to the parents of the girl or request her husband to remove the teenage girl from her home. My people say respect begets respect.

freecocoa: Oh please shut that your nonsense gutter you call a mouth,I sound like a wicked woman?and you sound like what exactly?

Let me remind you that the said child lives under the roof of the woman,is being taken care of b y the same woman therefore she is her guardian and could pass for a mother so don't give me that crap,you think we are talking about America here?let me also remind you that in Naija not only a mother is allowed to discipline her child provided the child was wrong and the disciplinarian wasn't being wicked,malicious but correcting lovingly.

If you really do have a brain, you should realize that slapping a minor is not regarded as disciplinary act. Now, you can go on flap with your putrid mouth.