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PhysicsQED: First, my comment can be read two ways, and I meant for it to be interpreted both ways. I think you've figured out one of the interpretations based on the knee jerk reaction and the spiel that followed my suggestion that Africans are currently more nepotistic than other groups.

Second, Europe is divided mostly (but not exclusively or perfectly) along "ethnic" lines. So apparently those "inter-ethnic" wars you're referring to were for a reason.

If the second jab in your post suggested the reason for mental retardation or disconnect in the stream of thought of Africans, one wonders why the call for disintegration of Nigeria along ethnic delineation is not politically trendy and seems to jolt the political psychic of certain Nigerians the wrong way.

Like you have indicated Europe as a model that upholds merit based appointment, I do also believe Europe, where countries are formed based on ethnic background, provides solution which will alleviate the chronic socio-politico-economic retrogression in Africa.

oduasolja: look at this dummy.

fact is you folks are ethnocentric and tribalist. you show a preference for your people in any thing u are in charge off, not necessarily because your people are smarter or better at something ,but just because you belive they are .


u fucking bastards need to learn some respect.

Please I would appreciate if a bloody numbskull such as you can expatiate on your foolhardy statement about Igbo being “ethnocentric and tribalist. you show a preference for your people in any thing u are in charge off, not necessarily because your people are smarter or better at something ,but just because you belive they are”.

When the British were in charge of the Nigerian armed forces, Ndigbo had no match in the ranks of Nigerian armed forces. Such scenario immediately engenders jealously that culminated into civil war. The same could be said about Nigerian civil service and academic establishment. Even a dunce knows if the playing field in Nigeria is leveled, Ndigbo do not need any preferential uplift to maintain level.

It is a noted fact a brigade of Nigerian army was turned into Yoruba enclave by a commanding officer of Yoruba extraction. Yet again, a Nigerian minister of education of Yoruba extraction introduced tribalism into Nigerian academia.

Akiika: @Afam4eva and @Desola, are you guys for real? must you bicker ignorantly? neither of you have any verifiable proof to back up your claim so zip it!
@Dede1, pls. think before you hit the keyboard, you're simply not objective. You arguements are always sentimental rather than logical.

I have no use for logical falsehoods as you and other Yoruba peeps have demonstrated on this forum. If I did not know better than the junks such as a prose allegedly written by Lt Col Francis Fajuyi in a bid to die with Ironsi, I have thought twice before hitting my keyboard. Only a bloody deceit will claim that British did not declare what was known as Oyo Empire its Protectorate before 1893.

By the way, I do not give a hoot if my arguments were more basically sentimental than logical. In my book, debates are both sentimental, logical and in some cases illogical.

sheyguy: ^^^What you call "Sheer determination of Ndigbo to succeed in life" is in fact, part of what the thread is revealing . . . or did you miss where the writer said:
in the extract? Everyone thought the Igbo man being really effective at getting their legitimate assignment by British masters done was their secret, but as you can see . . . and this is no rival tribe from Nigeria BS oh!!!

If you have functional intellect as you want us to believe, you would ask if the British lowered their standard when hiring the Igbo senior managers and even clerks and why did the whining numbskulls expect Igbo senior personnel to lower the standard for them. I suggest you peruse the article again and this time with less abused mind than before.

I thank moronic oduasolja for bringing to the fore that non-Igbo peeps in Nigeria and Southern Cameroon were jealously mesmerized by the sheer determination of Ndigbo to succeed in life.

Katsumoto: Your attempts at obfuscation never work with me and you know that.

You stated that the British defeated the Alaafin (Oyo) and I challenged you to provide facts about the engagement. Instead you provided words that had little to do with your original points. Why did you state some of the wars that the Oyo fought? Were they fighting the British? You then went further talking about Olumo rock. Were the people of Abeokuta uusing Olumo rock as a defense protection system against the British?

The questions were simple and direct.
1. When and where did the British engage the Oyo?
2. When the British engaged Yoruba forces, which forces did they engage and where?
3. Did the British subjugate Yoruba forces? If so, where?

I provided an anecdote about an Ibadan warrior, Ogunmola, taking a British slave to demonstrate that even then, the British did not use force to subjugate the Ibadan or Oyo.

I correctly stated that the British only moved into Yoruba hinterland after the treaties in 1893 were signed.

I can not apologize if you misconstrue my statement in the previous posts. You and I know that British would not waste time flogging already death horse. The Yoruba and Oyo Empire were masterfully drubbed by the Fulani Caliphate and Yoruba warlords who were inherently treacherous.

Against the backdrop of your usual delusional post that British took over Yoruba land through series of treaties, I posited it was due to pitiful drubbing the Oyo Empire and Yoruba received from Fulani Caliphate and turncoats among Yoruba in Illorin Emirate and Oyo Empire too. I do not have to spell every statement in detail to you even though I have wrongly assumed you were holding the right end of the historical facts.

British had already moved into Yoruba land before 1893. In fact, Yoruba land had been declared the Protectorate of British Empire before 1893. In addition, the boundary between Oyo Empire and Benin Empire was decided by the British.

It is unfortunate you found certain ecstasy with the handiwork of gbomogbomo such as Ogunmola, an Ibadan warlaord. I did not expect anything good since you and follow Yoruba peeps regarded loudmouthed Benjamin Adekunle as a competent field commander.

Katsumoto: On Nigerian history, you take your ar.se whopping regularly, why do you want to make it worse by attempting Yoruba history?

The British never engaged Oyo or Ibadan. In fact, After the Ijaiye war in 1862, Ogunmola (the Balogun) took a British slave (Edward Roper) and demanded 200 kegs of gun powder as ransom. Despite British attempts to negotiate his release, it would take the British pleading to the Alaafin Adelu, who in turn pleaded with Ogunmola before Roper was released.

The British only engaged Yoruba forces on a couple of occasions and on both occasions, the objective wasn't to subdue but to relieve. Since you believe you know the history, can you tell us where these battles were held. Despite the fact that the British were in lagas for decades, they never moved beyond Ikorodu or Epe into Ogun. They would only move into the hinterland after the treaties of 1893 were signed ending the Yoruba civil war.

Second, You stated that the British whooped the Alaafin; can you tell us where and when?

Sometimes, I can not believe certain proclamations you profoundly make on this forum. I do not know which group is more pathetic than other, you or the delusional juju musicians. British stepped into the carnage to save Yoruba race from total destruction not only from the external forces but internal ones. Please do not arrogate any sense of relevance to yourself by insinuating the British government engaged Yoruba in a fight. Would British engage people whose large numbers were hiding under the rock?

Wars such as Mugbamugba, Kanla, Eleduwe and Owu had claimed many Alaafin(s) and numerous Oba(s). Some of the Oba(s) even died as refugees. It is funny you cited the handiwork of gbomogbomo to validate your cock and bull fairy tales about a missionary named Edward Roper.

I guess you could equally tell the undiscerning onlookers the essence of Olumo Rock with respect to decimated Yoruba society as a result of unbearable pressure from external forces.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]The war was mainly Igbo vs North, but all I see is Yoruba.

Real question; how much power does a Yoruba person have on psychological well-being of Igbos in general? Why should Yorubas help you fight a war that you didn't plan well before starting?

Even if you declare Biafra today, Yorubas will not join you if it does not positively benefit them.[/quote]If you tend to lack self control on mere historical facts, I wonder what you do with your arse when socially tizzy.

Obi1kenobi: Yorubas are no more tolerant than other Southern groups. There are historical factors responsible for the near equality of muslims and christians but it doesn't mean they're any more tolerant or accomodating than any other Southern group in Nigeria.

It is unfortunate few respondents to the thread seemed have to forgotten certain aspect of historical factors responsible for the swell in number of Muslims among Yoruba.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Yeah, an old gutter maggot munching scalawag calling me names. A fool at 70![/quote]I am elated not because you moronically deduced that I am old or 70 but you will not see 40 on earth. There is no imbecilic goon such as you that has ever gone beyond 39. Due to load of stupidity you have unleashed on this forum, I do not have a diminishing doubt that you will have your last supper at 39.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Just explain to us why your god took bribe and canvass support for a known crook or STFU!!! senile old sicktard!![/quote]I could not fathom why you are worse than a latrine rat. Believe me, a latrine rat could take you to the cleaners.

mpumalanga: Oga Dede,it worries me every day because if we have learned how to watch
the suffering of others with clinical detachment like other groups,we will be succeeding
more in nigeria.

I wish some of our people adopted this position 'strongly' during the western nigeria
crisis and even the most recent so called june 12.

It has remained a scene of ultimate regret for me when I saw few sons and daughters of Ndigbo gathered to constitute themselves into public menace over the nonsensical “June 12”.

Why are people arguing over well-known socio-political antics of certain people in Nigeria? I am even surprised that the dude called Tinubu was not flat on the floor.

Katsumoto: Your ignorance knows no bounds and you stupidly exaggerate your ability to see in to the future.

Before the British took over Yorubaland with a series of treaties with various kings; there were Christians, Muslims, and Traditionalists. The first mosque in Yorubaland was built in Oyo in the 15th century to accommodate Muslim scholars and traders despite the fact that Oyo was into traditional forms of worship.

The rest of your post is just a compilation of bunkum and idiocy.

Why are you so witty on mambo jumbo styled historical facts? The British takeover of Yoruba land was due to thorough drubbing of Alaafin of Oyo and other Oba-in-hiding in Yoruba land. Are you insinuating British stood up treaties with Oba(s) in hiding? British might have signed a kindly gesture treaty but it was not for taking over Yoruba land which was accomplished before 1888. Kats believe me, you are full of jokes.

Ndata: I know Rochas Okorocha will not do anything about this.He is known to have soft spot for these Hausas.I may be forced to believe its because he is nursing presidential ambition.I still remember his gaffe in Kano at the height of Boko Haram madness,when he said that Igbos are not being killed in the North.is Rochas foundation established more free schools in the North and West than in the east.

You written like a person who shuns away from exploratory research. Have you checked the background of Rochas Okorocha? Do you have slight clue of Rochas Okorocha’s parentage?

mpumalanga: All the policies like indigenization and others post civil war, were done by men and women that believes such
decision will hep their own people.When are we going to learn to take positions 'ruthlessly' to further our own interest without
being apologetic to other people's view the same way other do or did?


More historical information like this should be shared to guide the future.

Bros, you could not be more correct with your postulation on this discuss. Sometimes I felt Ndigbo had not learnt their lessons from the fallouts of Britain\Biafra war.

@OP

We should thank the author of the posted piece for exposing the stark ignorance that dwells in the mind of certain Nigeria. The author should not have deliberated on the punitive indigenization decree alone but boundary adjustment and land decree yet the moronic leaders failed to settle the issues of Bakassi. It is an unforgettable mark in history that the damages inflicted on Nidgbo by Britain\Biafra war were finished by indigenization and boundary adjustment decrees.

I have always looked at the civil war as Britain\Biafra war and regarded the term of Nigeria\Biafra civil war as a misnomer. In addition, I am happy the author brought to the fore the basement ignorance that tends to dominate certain discussions about and in Nigeria. I bear a shocking disappointment on the comments from unexpected quarters on this issue.

It appears the cabals that milk Nigeria to socio-politico-economic stupor will do anything to sustain the awkwardly dilapidated state of the country. One wonders what the goons have done to fight insecurity in the south.

johnie: Are the Yoruba the number one in religious tolerance?
August 24, 2012 by Azuka Onwuka

When it comes to religion, are the Yoruba people of Nigeria the most tolerant race in the whole world? It may not be wise to say yes because of the absence of any endorsement of such a position by a global body like the United Nations. But having travelled to many parts of Nigeria and some parts of the world; having read books about several peoples of the world, I can comfortably say that I have not seen or heard of any country or people that tolerate one another on the issue of religion like the Yoruba of Nigeria.

As a child growing up in Igboland, I thought the Igbo were the most tolerant in matters of religion. For example, the only mosque in my hometown Nnewi was built right at the gate of the Diocesan Church Centre of the Anglican Church, which was the central church for Anglicans in the town when the head of the diocese was in Onitsha. The mosque was owned by the Hausa-Fulani community. Items like sugarcane, carrot and kulikuli were sold beside the mosque, and cobblers took care of people’s shoes there. I never missed the sugarcane and kulikuli any time I had cause to be at the church. Christians never bothered that Muslims (who were not sons and daughters of the community) situated their mosque by the gate of the central church of the Anglican Communion in the town.

There was no Muslim in my primary school; in my secondary school, there was a Muslim boy – a boy whose father was a policeman posted to the town. On Thursdays when we had our moral instruction classes, the chaplain of the school who was also the vice-principal, always announced that the Muslim boy was the only one exempted from participating in moral instruction classes because the school had no Islamic teacher. Other pupils must either be at the Roman Catholic section or the Protestant section. We all envied the boy for the preferential treatment he always got as the only Muslim boy in our school.

With this type of background, I grew up with the assumption that the Igbo must be the most tolerant in matters of religion in Nigeria. But there were events that made me have a rethink later in life. When I was growing up, my community had two major Christian denominations: Anglicans and Catholics. Almost all the schools in the town were founded by the two churches. Parents usually sent their children to these schools based on their Christian denominations, even after the state government took over the schools. At the close of school each day, there was usually a point where pupils of the Anglican Church-founded schools met pupils of the Catholic Church-founded school. Preachers, church teachers and parents had indoctrinated the children that only their denomination was the one endorsed by God. So at such meetings, taunting songs would be sung and a fight would ensue between Anglican and Catholic children.

But that was not all. Many young men and women could not marry one another because one was Anglican and the other was Catholic. Especially from the Catholic community, it was always an uphill task for a girl to be allowed to be married by an Anglican or a member of the Protestant Church. But one thing that was shared by all the Christian denominations was that no married woman was allowed to attend a church different from the one her husband attended. The few who insisted on continuing with the church of their birth while in their matrimonial homes either caused a deep rift in their marriage or even lost their marriage entirely.

Compare that with a typical Yoruba family. A couple with six children could have a family like this: the man is a Muslim; the wife attends the Celestial Church of Christ; the first child started as a Muslim but converted to Christianity and is now a member of a Pentecostal church; the second child is a devout Muslim; the third and fifth children are members of the Methodist or Baptist church; the fourth child attends no church or mosque but prefers the Yoruba gods whenever he has any spiritual needs; and the last child is an Anglican.

One would assume that with this seemingly cacophony of religions in this family, there would be constant religious tension, hatred, quarrels and fights in it. No. In Yorubaland, no one disturbs the other because of religion. Interestingly, during Islamic festivals, Christians join their Muslim relatives to celebrate. Also during Christian festivals, the Muslims join their relatives to celebrate. For example, the Governor of Lagos State, Mr. Babatunde Fashola, is a Muslim, while his wife is a Christian.

In the larger Yoruba society, the issue of religion is not a factor while considering a candidate for an elective post. For example, Bola Tinubu, a Muslim, did two terms as Lagos State governor and handed over to Fashola, a Muslim, who is doing his second tenure in office now.

Such high level of religious tolerance is not even obtainable in countries that are known for freedom and rights like the United States of America and the United Kingdom. In such countries, even though there is religious freedom, there are certain social and political positions that some people may never dream of.

This wonderful trait of the Yoruba needs to be publicised. If such a trait were from an American community, several documentaries, films and books would have been produced based on it. If the Federal Government would not publicise such, it behoves the Yoruba nation to sponsor the production of such materials.

In addition, the Yoruba nation should embark on a religious-tolerance campaign across the federation and even the world. That will offer them the opportunity through which they will teach other races how they have mastered the art of religious tolerance. There is no denying that religion is a major threat to world peace today. Nigeria is getting its share of violence. Therefore, any effort that will help to reduce the threat will be a welcome development.

•Onwuka, a brand management strategist in Lagos, wrote in via azonwuka@yahoo.com

http://www.punchng.com/opinion/are-the-yoruba-the-number-one-in-religious-tolerance/

What an arrant nonsense. Some dingbats such as the author of the above post who were bred in Lagos should keep their wealth of ignorance in their pockets.

Tinyemeka: I've followed your every single post right from when you originated this thread and it's a pity that despite your self-acclaimed pseudo-education, you still can't tell the difference between a common and a proper noun. I pity your parents in their old age. That's if they are still alive. I wonder what other deceptions you've been passing on to the people around you.

Keep forming neutral argumentator. I was not around in 1967 and from what I read about the war, your greenish, slimy, mono-chromatic figment of a reasoning faculty can't comprehend anything I wish to state in response to your dumb cesspit of a question. I can't dignify your demented reasoning with any response.

Keep up the deception bro. You really represent and do your people proud. Thumbs up.

Please do not waste your precious time on Cyberfool.

patrikobi: ABA: A CITY DESTROYED BY ATTITUDE OF RESIDENTS

I visited Aba recently and can only confirm that the inhabitants of that city could do better than they are doing now. I also regretted observing that the attitude of the people who live there may for a long time be at variance with any developmental ideals of the government given that there is no place in the world that people so behave. This is what I mean:

1. There is a spot at Omenazu (Faulks Road) that is bad. I also understand that the government had tried severally to fix that spot. Assuming Govt did a poor job of fixing that road, the attitude of people around there compounded their woes. The man who owns Micky’s Guest House willfully and mischievously covered the drainage very close to the bad spot.

His neighbors who trade in the evenings covered the remaining with make shift suya ovens and plastic chairs. This is not putting into consideration the conversion of the original water reservoir to the famous ‘ukwu tank’ into a drinking joint. Are the people around there not contributing heavily to the erosion of the road surface?

2. I also moved down to Osusu and was told that unless government musters sufficient political will, the road may remain in bad shape for a long time to come. Again, govt did that road not too long ago. Osusu by Faulks has been taken over by Keke mechanics. By their side is mountain heap of garbage. When I asked, I was told that the inhabitants of that area took government to court over sanitation fees and part of their ‘victory’ was to stop the payment of such fees as they agreed to collect and dispose their own refuse.

Two years after their ‘victory’, their environment is badly degraded, while they take turn to cover drainages. What is the idea behind sellers of lubricants just a little pole from the primary school covering the drainage with their racks? Who built ‘ahia orie osusu’?, the only possible outlet for water to find its way to the right channel. I am sure the govt did not do that? Who owns the block of shops at Osusu by Nwagba? Wouldn’t the people be reasonable enough to realize that their own recklessness is responsible for the poor state of their environment?

3. Do you also know that at the last count, there are over forty boreholes in Osusu Road and all waste water coming from these boreholes are channeled straight into the earth/road surface. The same people also channel waste water from their baths to the main road. Is there any relationship between this dastardly act and the overall state of Osusu Road?

4. Okigwe Road has some elements of sanity, that is why may be the road is still passable.

5. If you go to the area where they sell tyres at Azikiwe, you will be confronted by the recklessness of a people who are their own enemies. Can someone help me differentiate between the drainage and the spot where tyres are littered the whole of Azikiwe? Is their any relationship between the massive flooding around Azikiwe by Asa and the activities of the men who still trade in worn out tyres with impunity?

6. Mosque (Hospital and Jubilee Roads) especially the areas where they call ‘Ama Hausa’ and where fabrics are sold are all covered up. What could be the reason behind building shops on waterways and drainages as commonly found around these areas?

7. Howells Crescent, Pound Road, York, Ube and East ends of Jubilee, Hospital, Market, Ehi and Tenant Roads are in perfect condition because houses and shops around these areas are well spaced out. Why are these roads in almost perfect condition while all the ones in over rail are recklessly eroded by the people themselves?

8. That market called ‘ahia umungasi’ is definitely at the wrong place. Which other city do you see such eye sores other than Aba?

9. If you take a drive from the General Hospital down to where they motocycle lubricants are parts, you will know why that area is hardly passable each time there is light showers. Adults, responsible family men and those who have bad words for the government have covered all the area with corrosive chemicals from lubricants and blocked the drainage with their wares. Is this business or self destruction?

10. Aba is reputed to practice street trading more than any other part of West Africa. This practice has over the years proven to be counterproductive. Yet, the inhabitants of this city look beyond their attitude as reason for the current state of their city.

11. Cant government in Abia insist on knocking off these structures (I understand there are over 5,000 of such structures dotting the streets of Aba) to make way for a beautiful and serene Aba?

I want to us to leave sentiments aside and examine with religious commitment the attitude of Aba residents with a view to establishing if they are the cause of their own woes.

In the coming days, I will x – ray Ariria, Ahia Ohuu and Ekeoha markets. I also hope to bring out salient points to proof that Aba will wear a new look the day the attitude of Aba residents change for the better. In case you did not know, there are lines in Ariaria called ‘gutter line’. Who built them? That is how insensitive a people can be, erecting shops on water ways.

I do not agree with author in his/her blame game. The author should also arrogate much of the blame to him/her self. If I may suggest, the blame should be heaped on the cross-section of electorates in Abia State and writers such as the author of the above piece.

I had used Owerri and Ohakim for example. Ohakim may have been a competent embezzler but he tried to keep Owerri clean. During his term in the office, all the stalls along Douglas Road were demolished. The same fate was applied to every stall in Owerri that has taken over roadway in Owerri, Amakohia and Oji. However, in the process of destroying the stalls and keeping the drainage system open, the Ohakim was branded callous, wicked and shouts about his embezzlement maintained the highest decibels in the land. He was called the enemy of the common man and Jesus Christ too. The same scenario showed up in Oshodi, Lagos State where Fashola decided to bulldoze the stalls and structures along Oshodi Expressway.

Three months after the wicked, callous and unrighteous Ohakim was voted out of office, Douglas Road was overtaken by rubbish generated by Eke Onunwa Market. Other roadways and outlets such as School Rd, Old Market Rd and Royce Rd have been closed down due to roadside trading activities. The present governor of Imo State rides on top of the rubbish along Douglass Rd while shouting awareness to undiscerning crowd and in turn, the masses are hailing him as God sent and man of good heart.

In case of the pitiful condition of Aba, the moronic T. Orji of Abia State should be held responsible for the deplorable nature of Enyimba City.

Eko Ile: This is why ibo men mistreat, beat up and kill their wives. ibo women are in cultural chains and bondage, after paying so much and doing so much to acquire them like property, they are free to do what ever they want with them.

when ibo woman returns to her fathers house for refuge and safety after beatings and abuse by her husband, the same culture dictates for the parents to return the girl to the wife beater and abuser or repay very bride price kobo the man paid to acquire the woman in the first place. .....but in most cases, the parents have no choice but to send the girl back because they've spent the money and they don't have anything to cover the bride pride.

Bottom line, ibo women gets the short end of the stick and remain in cultural bondage and limbo.


This is just sad....

There is one Oba of Akure that easily comes to mind when there is a debate about beating of spouse. I guess it is the cheapness of the Yoruba woman which leads to unspoken acts of marital decadence I witnessed in Yoruba.

I guess human nature can be funny and intrigue at times. It is akin to the same manner with wich human beings treat expensive objects and cheap ones in their possession. It is noted that Igbo men are known to treat their wives with exquisite touch of respect and love.

I shall continue to advise Ndigbo to gear-up for war in case Nigeria disintegrates. Anybody who remotely thinks disintegration of Nigeria will go the way of USSR is a bloody fool. The disintegration of Nigeria must engender a fierce war of expansionism, renewed sense of nationalism and unexpected alliance within and across the border of Nigeria.

The moment Nigeria slips into the war path of disintegration, all the useless and so-called political zones will cease to exist. There is no doubt Nigeria’s unprogressive growth tends to stretch the essence of lack of unity among the people to the extremes. The disintegration may or may not come in 2015 but it must surely happen in future.

PStylish: Answers
1.Nigeria won the civil war. Yorubas were the major commanders of the Nigerian Army. Obasanjo quashed the Biafran army and ended the stalemate that had emerged before his appointment. Biafran commander surrendered to him.

2. There is a rule of law in any society which every member of that society must adhere to. Otherwise, the society fails to exist. Whether rightly or wrongly,Awolowo was tried and found guilty and sent to prison.
Yorubas follow the rule of law.

3. MKO Abiola held Nigeria hostage for 5 years until his death. He remained a stumbling block to Abacha's ambitions and Abacha dared not raise a finger against him. Abacha would eventually die before him.
It was MKO that gave rise to Obasanjo's emergence.

4. Which 17 generals? Its only 3 I know - Diya, Adisa and Olanrewaju.
Thankfully, all 3 made it out of the prison alive while their captor, Abacha died like a common mouse.

5. Yorubas and Hausas are about the only tribes that emasculates and swallows up any tribe that settles among them.
Ilorin is a Yoruba town. The emir is a Yoruba man. His Yoruba name is Kolapo. The Fulani in Ilorin have been swallowed up.Yoruba is the language of Ilorin people.No Fulani trace anymore.The modern fulani do not consider the Ilorin Fulani as one of them anymore and would rather term them as northern Yoruba.
You Igbos do not know the history of Ilorin. What will it cost you to do a research? Afonja chose to align with the Fulani against his kinsmen.I am 100% sure Ilorin Yorubas prefer to be seen as northerners and prefer to have an emir. So be it!!!

6. Even Joseph in the bible had to go to prison before he became the Egypt's Prime Minister.Its nothing new.

Are you okay now?

The first statements of the above post showed the poster is pointlessly clueless. It is an avoidable display of ignorance if the poster had read the recorded events about Nigeria/Biafra civil war with rapt attention.

Obasanjo does not have what it takes to stop a village riot talk less of a war. The Biafran commander/s did not surround to Obasnajo. The fact that Obasnajo who stood for Nigerian armed forces during the so-called sorrunder has absolutely nothing to do with Obasanjo’s bravery as a commander of military unit. Nigeria, without the generosity of certain counties from Africa, Europe and Asia, can never defeat Biafra.

The cardinal reason Obasanjo stood in for Nigerian armed forces during the so-called Biafra’s surrender was mandated by the dictate of military parlance within the theater of war.

ocelot2006: Ok hold it right there, you bloody liar! 70% of Niger-Deltans are igbos?!! Haba!! Seriously you Biafran cheerleaders are so desperate to have us on your side. Why not tell the garbage you just spewed to the Ibibios, Annangs', Kalabaris, Urhobos, Ijaws, itsekiris, Efiks, etc. We have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common culture-wise with the Igbos. So please zip it.

You, in particular, will end up in Cameroon. In addition, there shall never be a country call Niger Delta after the demise of Nigeria through peaceful negotiation or war.

Kobojunkie: Why are you afraid to OWN what you said? You just re-iterated what I said . .. You have not denied anything I said there. . . . so are you sure I am the one you are fighting??

I have always owned up to what I wrote. A very wealthy and popular woman had three sons and one daughter. Although the husband of the woman had passed-on and this particular lady fell out with her eldest son because of the son’s wife whom the woman initially insisted her son to marry even though her son refused to the idea.

The wealthy and popular woman had tried to deny her first son all the inheritance due him. They have gone before their kindred, the son won her. She has carried the son before the customary court; the son won her yet again. In this scenario, do you think the only daughter of this lady had a chance?

Kobojunkie: Um . . . you might want to first GET with the other posters who have given THEIR VERSION of the CULTURE cause it contradicts yours.

According to them(and this is what I know and this is information that is available on the culture of the land,and in so many literatures), inheritance typically goes to the male child or male in the family. The woman without a male child usually gets nothing. This information has been verified so far by people like @Dede1, more than once here. Also, according to him, daughters don't really have a right to inheritance unless they choose to remain single for life . . . .

So like I said, you may want to get with him to make sure you have the right story yourself. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS . . . I say that often because it seems here again that people choose to IGNORE reality because it is too inconvenient.

I guess your mischievousness does not know boundaries. A woman without a male child stays and enjoys her husband properties. However, she does not take them to her graves or to her maiden home. The bone of contention is whether the married daughter has cultural pedigree to lay claim on properties inherited by her male siblings.

I gave you this scenario :

For instance, your husband inherited two plots of land from his father. He sold one of the plots and bought you a Masarati. Now you are enjoying it. Your brother also inherited two plots of land from your father and he is married with two kids. Also, he had planned to sell one of his inherited plots of land to buy his wife a Masarati so she can equally enjoy as you do. Suddenly, you woke one morning and decided to lay claim on the very plot of land your brother had wanted to sell in order to buy his wife a car.

In this scenario, I ask you honestly, who is nasty, inconsiderate and outright ungrateful?

Igbo culture deters greed.

Abagworo: 1) Inheritance of properties in the village is different from properties acquired in the city.

2) Bride price is generally low or negligible

3) The issue is "the list" given by the extended family of the bride. The parents of the bride usually try their best to convince their kins to be considerate with regards to "the list". Sometimes it causes strain in relationship between the bride's father and his extended family.

4) In Igbo culture, men do not give their sons cars, house or any gift during marriage but the girls are showered with these.

Bros do not pay any mind to these blind critics. How many Ndi Eze or Igwe or Obi is seated when a bride price is negotiated in Igbo land except the Eze or Igwe or Obi is the father or first uncle or a member of the bride’s kindred?

Aigbofa: Absolutely. The example of the so called wealthy Yorubaman you gave is an evidence.

The funny aspect of the said evidence is the son of the so-called Yoruba man had also a living wealthy and western educated uncle who tends to support this son. You must know that so-called wealthy Yoruba was a London trained lawyer and his son too.

Kobojunkie: @Poster, isn't one of the point of marriage so that you can finally satisfy your sexual desires with your wife? That is why when I see people give lists such as this one . .



I wonder if they are even mature enough for marriage. The ideal chick should be that person you are not only sexually attracted to but you are sure you will be satisfied with day, and night. If you are getting married because you are looking for beautiful, intelligent, virgin, good manners, then I wonder if you are not only trying to deceive yourself into thinking you have it right.

Even the Bible does not tell you what the ideal woman for every man should be. Neither does it explain what the ideal man for every woman ought to look like . . . it does attempt to give examples which turn out to be rather complex given that no human can have all that is described in the pictures provided.

Here you go again with your myopic and de-facto conjecture of marriage. The essence of marriage is procreation as well as calms the cultural demands. It has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction. No healthy man can be sexually satisfied with a particular woman or multiple women. Remove the negative stigma that accompanies being unmarried with large number of kids, most married men would have remained unmarried.

Aigbofa: How can you determine which one is harsher when you agree you know little about Yoruba culture?

Are you in any way or shape insinuating the little I know about Yoruba culture is not enough to make a reasonable deduction?