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[quote author=kayci_d77 link=topic=876656.msg10255797#msg10255797 date=1329990420]I think its time for DEDE to change his name to Nwatakiri , his reasonings are flawed![/quote]Nwanne wayoo kwa, biko. You know dede can never be nwatakiri as in the case of jojo in Opu Obu (Opobo) and Akwete/Ndoki.

It has not degenerated into a fight yet. I would want you to numerate Okorocha’s achievements since he has been sworn-in as governor of Imo State baring all deceitful rhetoric.

I have dutifully numerated not-too-classic Okorocha’s achievement in Imo State for the period less than 8 months although I forgot to credit him with resurfacing of Wetheral road at Ogbo Osisi Market.

At this moment, the praise singers have not listed one outstanding achievement in Imo State to Okorocha’s name. I am not surprised the praise singers have bought into deceitful management skills of Okorocha, the famed abracadabra.

I have supported Okorocha the candidate until real Okorocha the governor-elect showed up with insidious gimmick of all times. He tends to use his staffs or assistants to test political waters and act according to the stage-managed deceitful machination. There was the letter to the Banks in Imo State, newspaper publication of sacking local government councilors when he has no such constitutional authority and still went to court to defend his deceitful game and there was letter from SSG to judiciary commission president.

I wish him good luck in his entire endeavor but he should realize that governor of Imo State shall not be his seat forever.

To date, Okorocha has accomplished the destruction of third tier government as we know it in Imo State and created the fourth one. He used the gimmick of hoax to sack all the elected local government councilors and appointed electoral losers from APGA as Transition Committee chairperson in Imo State. He used the same gimmick to dissolve legally consisted judiciary board and ran into a brick wall.

Okorocha has accomplished unnecessary projects such as remodeling of commissioner's houses with overrun cost in millions. Ironically he has boasted of reducing the cost in half and pointed at government house which Okorocha said was a con job by Ohakim.

Okorocha played Father Christmas to all the members of Imo State legislative body by giving each member Toyota Prado SUV. Guess who own the dealership that supplied the SUVs, Okorocha’s Toyota’s outfit in Jos, Plateau State. Okorocha’s accomplishment included flooding Imo State with Toyota Hilux pickup truck via Okorocha’s dealership in Jos, Plateau State.

Another sterling achievement of Okorocha is introduction of in-your-face nepotistic politics in Imo State. Okorocha could have relocated IMSU to any other part of Owerri zone but chose to relocate IMSU to Ogboko, Ideato South LGA. In fact, Ogboko is Okorocha’s home town.

Okorocha built a gigantic iron-gate at the entrance roadway to Concorde Hotel in Owerri, Imo State. Okorocha has sold two Imo State corporate entities that were very profitable to his cronies and fronts. 

As of December 22, 2011, Okorocha has not tarred any street in Owerri talk less of building double lane carriageways Imo State.

I pray for Okorocha’s success in Imo State because I do not want anybody to declare me anti-Okorocha. Okorocha is the Imo State’s biblical Moses. By the time Okorocha is done with Imo State, the state would have become nation-state and should surpass Nigeria.

I have said and continue to observe that I shall not get into political fray concerning Rochas Okorocha. I just posited a question for those who seemed to sing praises on Okorocha to explain to me in layman’s fashion the meaning and correlation between recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development with respect to figures such as 27% and 73% as contained in the thread.

It is not a surprise that usual suspects, most praise singers, jumped onto the forum to attack my personality. If most of them think capital development is capital spending, I can not help them but God.

houvest:
My post a year ago was quite prophetic: 'Because of Rochas there is hope for Imo.'  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=566751.msg7318227#msg7318227.

I am glad I am being proven right. As for Ohakim if he wins his appeal as somebody asked, he will rule over only those 100 men and 419ers who desperately want their looting and free bread back, and that will be from the supreme court office like Omoboriowo in 1983.

And yea bros Dede, you are really beginning to fall my hand. It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks or to swim against a sunami. Dissent is allowed but let it be reasonable and constructive.

Bros, I guess you know the meaning of the terms such as recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development as they were applied in the thread. The figured pressed forward to impress on those terms as I know them are very fallacious and ridiculous. Whether Okorocha will become the best governor ever born on Nigerian soil, I do not give a hoot.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=876656.msg10250204#msg10250204 date=1329921976]Dede1 nwanne m, your concern is in order.  You may be wasting your time with praise singers and dullards who are despirate for a political champion.  This claim of reducing recurrent expenditure to 27%  from over 47% by the previous administration is the biggest lie and 419 of all!!  What the fools hailing Okorocha do not know is that, the 2012 budget included N66.7 billion in loans,  an increase of 200% from 2011 when the internal loans portion of the budget was merely N18.3 billion!!!!     If you put the people of Imo in new debt worth N66.7 billion, add the loan to the budget, then you can easily fool gullible Imolites into thinking that you are a better governor. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Unfortunately, 419 governors like Okorocha are what we have all over the country.  I can't believe that people are already calling for this man to become the President in 2015.  if you don't believe my analysis, just read Okorocha's [url=http://imostate.gov.ng/IMO%20STATE%20GOVERNMENT%20BUDGET%20SPEECH%202012.pdf]budget speech[/url]. Go to Capital Receipts section, see the loan amount and weep![/quote]Bros ndu_chucks, sometimes I tend to believe the problem of Nigeria seemed to hedge on lazy scholars it produces coupled with tribalism. Combined factors of intellectual laziness and tribalism on the part of Nigerians have made me an indomitable advocate of disintegration of the country. I run a private company and it has recurrent spending, capital spending, capital development and inflow funds.

It is rather embarrassing to read certain form of false allusion that capital development is a fund spent on economic infrastructures such as roads, hotels and schools which have become the hallmark of Okorocha’s government.

In fact, I am highly disappointed the stream of thoughts expressed by certain individuals on the post. I visited Imo State in December, 2011 and had opportunity to hear from and pose questions to Gov. Okorocha.

afam4eva:
Dede, I'm gradually loosing the little respect I have for you. Why do you take ut as a job to criticize anything Rochas does. Why can't you be objective for once.

Bros, I think there could be sensible rapport between us. I do not dabble into what I do not know. Contrary to certain believes that I am against Okorocha, I have attended many occasions organized in honor of Okorocha or by Okorocha.

I guess you are reasonable enough to decipher the differences between recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development. It is either the thread which accredited Okorocha with fallacious figures of 27 and 73% in terms of recurrent and capital spending including capital development was wrong and utterly misleading or the media release carried a crap and accredited to Okorocha.

We must not behave like uneducated individuals because we are in hast to find redress or support one of us.

[quote author=kayci_d77 link=topic=876656.msg10249903#msg10249903 date=1329919753]It is very embarrassing that at your baseless propanganda all these while you wont still give up ur brainless accusations after seeing a real MAN work for his ppl. I wish ABIA is IMO , sorry ROchas is from ABIA and he is my Governor.  [/quote]I could be brainless yet a brainy chap such as you failed to posit the correlation between recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development with 27% and 73% figures as stated in the thread.

It is unfortunate Nigeria has bunch of moronic gulls such as you who can read but comprehend. The current and retrogressive economic posture of Nigeria can not be entirely blamed on the useless leaders in country but ill-informed and poorly educated masses such as you in the country.

If you do not know the meaning of recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development as highlighted by the thread, I suggest you shut up your putrid mouth, olodo.

Yet a deluded monkey such as you had a signature in question form if Nigeria is nation. Nigeria is not a nation but country.

Da infamous:
^^


opposition na who ohakim put for pay roll be this

Bros, my younger brother is among the indigenes of Imo State who dragged Ohakim to court and challenged Ohakim’s electoral victory. I have never and can never be in the payroll of both Ohakim and Okorocha. I am for the betterment of Imo State but whatever juju Okorocha inserted in his tongue does not affect me.

I had elementary understandings about recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development. All accredited to Okorocha in the thread such as reduction of recurrent expenditure to 27%  and 73% inflow to capital development is a con job at best. There is much to be desired from such concocted press release.

BlackPikiN: While the Federal Government and most of the states skew recurrent spending disproportionately against capital spending, Imo has dramatically done the reverse, putting recurrent spending at 27 per cent and freeing 73 per cent of inflows into capital development. The ongoing developments in Imo if sustained could be a great embarrassment to other Governors.

Following the introductions, the Governor sat down with his principal officers and the journalists for a breakfast during which he explained his bearing. Excerpts:


What is the scope of the work going on in the state?

We have dabbled into federal government projects and that is why we are being slowed down. We are dualising the Airport road, we are dualising the Okigwe road, we are dualising Orlu road, we are dualising the Mbaise road so as to make the whole state a one city state.

For us, completion is already planned. We have a chart we are following and we have tarred most of the roads. If you go to Ekinegbo road you will see it, but we intend to have all the roads tarred before the end of September. If you go to Oguta, what they used to call water-lake, you will see that we are turning it into a Bar Beach now and we are turning it around, even the hotel has been completely renovated. It is not something I think I can take credit, I think there is hand of God in it. I think Angels are beginning to award contracts themselves. But there is the monumental project, which you are not seeing yet. In the last two weeks we awarded a contract of about N31 billion naira for the ‘Hand of God’? The ‘Hand of God’ is going to be the tallest tower in Africa, if not in Africa and Europe.



It is an issue of vision and sacrifice, and prudent utilization of resources. In the time past, the last administration had about N280 billion that came into the state. And 95 per cent or 90 per cent of that money went on recurrent. But we have reversed the trend of recurrent, that is the  secret. Now we have 27 per cent recurrent and 73 per cent capital.

Please for those of you who seemed to be in the know about what Gov. Rochas Okorocha meant by recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development, I need a simplified explanation. He reiterated pegging recurrent spending at 27 percent and freeing 73 per cent of inflows into capital development.

I would want those who are already high on sometime in line with alcoholic beverage to explain the following terms in layman’s level.

The terms that needed to be explained included recurrent spending, capital spending and capital development and how they manifested into huge expenditures in Imo State especially road construction. Please bear in mind that my elementary understanding of capital spending included money spent on construction of roads and other economic infrastructures in Imo State. I hope this is not another classical yet political mumbo jumbo only Rochas Okorocha is capable of pulling off. 

aribisala0:
Dede arguments can take place without discussing proponents or opponents. I take it that level of civilization has not reached your hamlet.

Like I said earlier try and polish the grammar. It is a tad embarassing!
You are straining too many sinews to appalling effect.

Ever heard of masterly inactivity?

If your mother is talking and says something you dislike would you call her marooned?
or would you call your mother a useless lapper.

show some respect!

Not a squeak from you about the subject of discusssion.
For you debate means hurling abuse at your opponents.Endeavour to curb your simian impulses,please.

If you realized July 29, 1966 coup led by Gowon was an unsuccessful one, you would begin to understand the genesis of Nigeria/Biafra war.

You kept referring to “mother” in your useless posts. Are you a woman or raised by an unmarried mother?

ACM10:
By the bolded, you imply that the war was as a result of power struggle between Ojukwu and Gowon.

It's ok to be sarcastic when you can't defend your comment

The useless lapper had expected Ojukwu, the grandson of Umudim warrior, to play Yoruba at the sight of an aggressor from northern region of Nigeria. There were three superior officers to both Ojukwu and Gowon in Nigerian armed forces who had Yoruba blood in them. They either bowed down to accept a relative junior officer in Gowon as head of state or scampered to the anchored NNS Nigeria in Lagos Lagoon or Republic of Dahomey.

The marooned aribisalaolodo would have been happy if Ojukwu had sought refuge in nearby Kumba, Cameroon when Gowon and his colleagues from northern region of Nigeria staged the unsuccessful coup of July 29, 1966.

Wislet:
^^ Who is this? Absolutely clueless.

The dude is as clueless as a demented gull. I have no time or patience to educate a numbskull such as aribisalaolodo. In my last response to one of his or her drivels, I recommended he or she continues to wallow in a political stupor.

shymmex:
@Dede1

You senile, ancient, walking stick using great grandpa - why can't you just take your own life and save this forum your Ibocentric views on everything?

Good you know I am old enough to fvck your mother silly. Now, you should accord me unconditional respect.

aribisala0:
If your mother or father are talking will you say moronic or mooncalf to them? I wonder. People have ideas and they disagree that is life no need to abuse your father or your mother. Not necessary.

You must accept that people will have different opinions from you on this issue. You can't achieve anything by abuse.

No one has a monopoly on unruliness though I am quite happy to cede exclusivity to you on foaming at the mouth!!

The war was only ever going to have one outcome. The whole world and his dog knew that

Nothing to do with Ijo Urhobo etc.
It was the Nigerian army versus Ojukwu's renegade Biafran army.
Ojukwu's army was outgunned and he had no external allies of note

Was Ojukwu subordinate to Zik or Michael Okpara?
The whole affair was an army affair as far as military operations were concerned

I do not mind if people have intelligent and well-articulated opinions. Believe me it is utterly embarrassing to read junks induced by ethnically biased ninnies post on this forum.

I have the decency to subtly inform anybody about the level of his or her unfamiliarity with factual facts pertinent to subject matter.

Even the numerical strength advantage tilted to Nigeria had no effect to outcome of the war but the military and moral support from Britain, USSR, Egypt, Australia, Arab League of Nations, Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

I suggest you keep wallowing in your ignorance and ethnical induced stupor.

aribisala0:
I cannot agree with Aliyu.

Ojukwu was a soldier not a politician.

From all accounts he was well trained as a soldier.
He ought to have known the likelihood of achieving military success which from all indications was [b]ZERO!.

The issue(from a military perspective) is a pragmatic one not a moral one. In other words not was there a justification for his action [/b]
BUT

Quite simply;

WHAT WAS THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME,MILITARILY?


Was it a good military decision?

That is the most important question that dispassionate minds must consider?

Right now it would appear most people remain in denial about the obvious answer to this and seek to browbeat or bully those who raise inconvenient questions .

Aliyu would be right if his statement was conditional on a realistic probability of success.

In this case there was NO chance of success given the disposition of the British and in that respect it was  a very costly blunder. In fairness to the man,Ojukwu, he had to make a decision quickly but while he has,quite publicly,decried the absence of leadership/guidance from those whom he felt ought to have provided it,it appears he chose to ignore the advise of naysayers(there were some among his people) to his chosen course.

What a moronic stream of thought from a prejudiced and ethnical biased mooncalf?

It is very annoying to notice that few jobless posters, as result of ethnic bias, do not realize Ojukwu was the first indigenous Quartermaster-General of Nigerian army.

There were certain tangibles Oujkwu, as well trained soldier, should not know such as hidden agenda formulated by southern Nigeria’s ethnic groups including a major one, Yoruba, to join northern region in the persecution of war against Biafra.

Ojukwu was not in any illusion that eastern region of Nigeria would have defeated any region that single-handedly decided to square off with his region. As a soldier, how would Ojukwu discern that Yoruba, Ijo, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Edo and Ishan would become betrayal artists who would turn tail and run to the elites of northern Nigerian region bagging them to join in the fight against Biafra? Oujkwu was not God to know what numbskulls from southern Nigeria had in their freaking minds.

@OP

It  is only ill-informed and naturally uneducated dingbat will act differently if in Ojukwu’s position around 1967 following the coup of July 29, 1966, pogrom visited upon Ndigbo and declaration of war against Biafra by Gowon led Nigeria.

@OP

This is one of those idiotic conjectural craps often posted on this forum. Why would it cost N500m to bury Ojukwu? Most Igbo sons who operate breweries have donated drinks and even importers of drinks did donate drinks. The family of Ojukwu alone can carter for the burial of Ojukwu talk less of Nnewi that can boast of rich sons and daughters as if they were planted at birth. Gun powder has been guaranteed and 21-gun salute has be presented by Nigeria army.

Information reaching us indicated that transportation of individuals attending the burial at Nnewi should not be a problem because transporters who are native to Nnewi alone have assured buses running non-stop from point A to B. Individuals have been advised to find parking places at Ihiala, Okija, Oba, Onitsha and Asaba where the buses would pick them up. Only VIPs with certain invitation cards will be allowed into Nnewi. Natives of Nnewi alone have combined resources more than required to bury Ojukwu. Yet moronic ninnies, the usual shameless suspects, are nipping at Ojukwu's personality even at death.

GAR3TH:
Hence why I said Igbo and many other tribes, All this Ethnic land talk is all made up, there is no evidence to say that so and so ethnic group owns such land. The only evidence that actually hold true is the borders of ancient kingdoms and clans. Other than that people are just talking with out reason when they say they own a piece of land. its like me going to ghana or new york and saying that is now GAR3THLand just because i live there. Yes I agree that people of so and so ethnic group are currently there but it doesn't necessarily make it there land.

You have sounded like a marked stranger in whatever land your forbearers called home. The village I called home, the land belongs to my people and nobody could lay claim to it. Even people from my maternal village, which is next door, can not lay hand on any piece of land in my village talk less a person of different ethnicity.

ranlaen:
[b]so what of all the free oil other states have been and still is providing to feed you?[/b]Should they stop giving you oil from today?
Abeg must every single post involve someone coming out to say something about dissolving Nigeria.Go carry gun fight and stop hijacking threads.

You are a moronic numbskull. I suggest you pay rapt attention to the history of shell d’arcy in southern protectorate. Igbo land still remain the first place crude oil was struck in the cesspit called Nigeria, olodo.

I am very happy youths from the northern region of Nigeria are seriously talking about disintegration of Nigeria. When disintegration happens, a low-life such as you shall know who actually had crude oil.

dayokanu:
Instead of splitting the North into 2, they dont have a problem being one.

Rather the 5th country should be a Niger Delta country which would consist of all the SS states That way no ethnic group would have a large majority and it would be more equitable.

Compared to Joining Biafra or Oduduwa where they would be an almost insignificant minority

E.g If Oduduwa was to include Edo and Delta, Yorubas would be the overwhelming majority close to 70%

That means Yorubas can dominate easily and even win an election on their own without seeking the approval of the Urhobo or Isoko or Itsekiri ot Esan or other groups making the union

Dayokolodo,

This is the reason people from Ogbomosho are not allowed on the roundtable where negotiation talks take place. It is either they goofed off or introduce element of stupidity. Nation states that would emerge from the rubbles of disintegrated Nigeria will consider close proximities in culture and tradition. Nobody is ready to repeat the blunders of 1914 amalgamation.

The current state arrangement will have little or no weight to bear on the decisions taken in the conference hall or on the battle field.

GAR3TH:

So you don't know nor have any evidence of what exactly is igbo land or its boundaries, so you treating to go to war, who is fooling who. . . . .

so according to you lagos and abuja is also igbo land since igbos live and are native there lol.

I guess you are not ridiculously naïve to insinuate that Yoruba and Nupe territories as Lagos and Abuja respectively are Igbo land. This is what I meant you are woefully unqualified to tell Igbo person where Aligbo started and ended.

ranlaen:
So you are saying the Niger delta need igbos to "protect us"?
pretty sure we can afford to protect ourselves and with funding can build a pretty modern army.
No offence but its you thats day dreaming if you think you can just annex places like Idah .
anyhow not like you even have liver to fight .
Its easy to sit there and sound tough behind a keyboard let me see what you can do with a gun facing tanks .
talk is cheap,just accept you were born a Nigerian you will die a Nigerian sooner you leave your fantasy behind sooner you can make a proper life for yourself.
Spending your days on this planet drawing meaniless maps will not help you  ,past Nairaland forum no one even know you or care.Your fellow igbo brothers are busy making it out there not wasting time dreaming of some country that does not exist or will ever exist.
all this years you spent on nairaland talking about your new country no progress but your mates are using their time properly and building lives for themselves.
you can throw all the insults you like (i checked your past posts and all you do is insult) simply because you are hiding behind a keyboard but to do anything of what you scream here in real world you cannot .

I really do not get your silly illogicality. Niger Delta, even according to your myopic view, is home to Ndigbo. Republic of Igbo land must claim what is rightful theirs and had no time and resources to waste on defending any idiotic expendable.

You are still ashame to mentioned the ethnicity of your forbearers. Europeans say there is no need to worry about crossing the bridge until they get to the bridge.

GAR3TH:
@ Dede1

You do know there is a BIG difference between igbo land and were igbos can be found. In reality there isn't a clear definition to what igbo land is as in the case for some other tribes, thats why you see people say igbo land is were igbos are found which is wrong. For example, northern part of delta state is technically edo land since that area was under control by the bini kingdom before the British came. It was just before Nigeria got independence that you started seeing igbos migrate there. Back in the 1800s, the 1914 and even up to 1991, asaba and the other town in the area were only a small village. Same thing goes for other areas such as port harcourt/ niger delta, lagos, abuja, etc. Just because igbos live there and are found in masses doesn't necessarily make it Igbo land. If anything the real extent of igbo land's boundaries is best represented by the boundaries of the Nri Kingdom.

You are not qualified to tell Igbo man where Igbo land started and stopped. I tried to make sense out of your drivel but failed. If Igbo person is a native of a land beyond Agbor, it is Igbo land unless you want to go to war with Republic of Igbo land to say otherwise.

ranlaen:
Republic of Biafra including parts of edo the whole Niger delta?Why should this tribes want to be part of a country dominated by the Igbos?They did not want to 30+ yrs ago and i hardly see why they should now .
biafra is a Igbo idea so should go without any of the Niger delta .There zero reason to trade one master in Abuja for another in Enugu.
Niger Delta is much better off on its own due to having many minority tribes like ijaw,urhobo,isoko etc with no major tribe having huge numbers.
Simply because it will be hard for one tribe to dominate politically by sheer numbers .
So i hardly see any of this tribes agreeing to such a union at all .I am pretty sure iteskiri not will accept it for one just go ask any iteskiri man if he wants to be part of Biafra .
Look what happened last time Benin was invaded in 1967 they even tried to make their own country on its own ,even though it was helped as a ploy by Ojukwu which was actually a wise tactics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Benin_(unrecognized_state)

I guess you should look before you leap or else you could break a neck. There are no doubts you had perusal and comprehensible issues. I had like Republic of Igbo land which will stretch to Igwe Ocha and Igwe Nga. We are talking about a country with solid army willing to maintain law and order within its territory. You can have your day dream and so-called Niger Delta divided into two.

Again Biafra will stretch deep after Agbor and north-eastern part of Edo towards Idah in Kogi State in order to guarantee military buffer zoon. As stated in my previous post, some parts of Edo State is negotiable because war had to be avoided. Edo has every right to join Oodua Republic. I do not want any part of Delta or Edo State which is non-Igbo in Biafra.