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tctrills:
I cant adress all your verses, but I will address just 3 or 4. I am sure the few answers I present will be useful to your other verses.

1. I Tim. 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ
This verse is not saying that Jesus Christ is not God. Remember, Jesus Christ already told you that I and my Father are one.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Being one God with the Father doesn't mean they are the same person, but remember, They shear the same throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.[/b]
No doubt, Jesus Christ has a Father, but He and His Father are one God. The question is, how can two people be one God? But then, we first need to answer the question, What is God? How do we even define God using the bible? Is God the name of a person or an exalted state of being?
Remember the words in the scripture,
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
This means that even man can attain the state of Godhood.
Being one God with the Father is like saying Trump and Vance are one government. Is Trump greater than Vance? Yes. But would it be wrong to say that they make up one Government eventhough they are 2 complete and distinct individuals? I guess you are seeing the picture now.

I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God
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The explanation above also goes for this.

[b]D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”
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This is a good one, and maybe the last I will respond to.
Remember when Christ was on earth, He did not come with His glory. John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In fact, we are told that He was made a little less than the angels, Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
So in that state, only the Father we befiting of such glory and honour.
But after His resurrection, Christ said. Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
He became almighty (Having all power). And all glory, honour, and praise was due to Him.

I believe these answer most of the points and explain the verses you quoted.

You must also note that Jesus Christ was God and Jehovah of the Old testament but the New Testament showed a different side of Him. It showed Him as the Son of God.
But don't be confused by this, the Son of a Lion can only be a Lion as the Son of God is God.

The Bible teaches one Godhead, not one person (John 17:3; John 10:30 understood as unity).
The Father and the Son are distinct beings, united in will, purpose, and glory (John 17:11, 22).
The Son is divine, pre-existent, creator, worshiped, and identified with Jehovah (YHWH) in the Old Testament (John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 1:10).

These premises allow both:

Jesus to be God, and

Jesus to be subordinate to the Father.

Subordination ≠ non-divinity.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

The verses you listed do not deny Christ’s divinity.
They define His relationship to the Father.

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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

tctrills:
You have your chance to show evidence. If you have nothing to show, we would not take you seriously.

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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited. cc FxMasterz

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

CTee1:
The world can feel a bit lonely…do you play chess? Maybe we could play together sometime 😊

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So long as it's not dot oh.

brain54:
Dey go...

As I said you are just seeking attention. Bye!

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From who? Joker.

Look let me just tell you something important in life kid: being teachable is a huge advantage to anyone.
Pompously being unteachable is a huge disadvantage.
Good luck.

brain54:
Cats are nonchalant and less aggressive compared to dogs...

Go and do your research well and come back!

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Not with snakes! I gave you videos as starters. They are very very aggressive, and will even hunt them out every time.

Besides both words you use are just wrong for Pete's sake: you can never describe a cat as nonchalant or non aggressive when it comes to either prey of predators around it.

Next thing you will apply this thinking to claim that dogs hunt mice better!

You are just describing the lazy coolness of cats as seen in human relationships.

Even wild cats have that demeanor but NOT around anything that could be a threat!

brain54:
Inform yourself first before others...

Read my comment you quoted and see where your error is.


Stop quoting me if you have nothing to say and seeking attention!

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I have addressed that as well. Cats are naturally curious and always are drawn to investigating such creepy creatures as snakes so you are still wrong. But enjoy!

brain54:
Did I tell you cats don't strike faster than snakes...

Or you have a problem with comprehension?

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Pride. You will insult anyone trying to simply inform you. You spoke about the cat being withdrawn and unconcerned but the reverse is true. Cats are the most curious creatures. That they can be cold to you as a human does not change this. The saying "curiosity killed the cat" did not come from nowhere.

Abeg whatever. Believe whatever you like.

shortgun:
You don't know cats.
Their speed and agility make them tricky for snakes to hit.
Cats often instinctively attack snakes always swatting and avoiding bites.
Of all the pets people keep, cats are snakes nemesis because no snake can strike faster than a cat.

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The chap called me a "mugu" for educating him on exactly that.
How some NL kids respond to simple information with insults over what they dont know never ceases to amaze me.

brain54:
Mugu seeking attention...

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Na wah for this generation oh. Attention how? Simple fact about the animal kingdom I was trying to advise you on, I don become mugu.
And yet you know nothing of what you are saying.

Enjoy - - - >

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q1KYZvo-XPU

And if you have a few minutes you can watch this as well. Cos the above will school you in just a few seconds. The below is longer.

From your dear ignorant attention seeking mugu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHzC4k4DY0

brain54:
I obviously wasn't talking about wild cats...


Or cats taught to kill suspicious looking critters


It's obvious I was talking about home cats/pets wasn't it?

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Notwithstanding. They are lethal against snakes and kill them nine times out of ten on account of greater speed and faster reflexes. Again, dont take my word for it, look it up.

brain54:
I don't think a cat would care...


If the snake doesn't cross it's path directly. I think his dogs are little and didn't notice it.

A dog is in a better position to attack the snake if it notices it more than a cat.


Cats are I don't cares... don't bother me I won't bother you.


Op from the patterns that's one of the adder family - night adder most likely.

Adders are poisonous and dangerous. It's best you fumigate your premises!

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Its obvious you dont know much about either dogs or cats. Dont reply without googling your position because you will not believe the truth from my lips.

Fenrir:
Some golden age 😂😂

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Joker.

Fenrir:
Ol boy, your insults are none of my concern.
You're close to 50 and dual nationality? Congratulations. So am I. The difference is I used my years to learn Nigerian constitutional law while you apparently used yours to perfect the art of throwing tantrums when someone knows more than you.
You mentioned I come across like a kid for a reason? Here's what actually comes across: a middle-aged man so threatened by legal facts that he abandoned all pretense of intellectual engagement and went straight to "go back to the North Pole."
Pathetic.
You invoked the "golden age of Nairaland" with its "First Class posters" writing with "pin point academic accuracy and excellence." Then you proceeded to contribute nothing but personal attacks, nationalist gatekeeping, and the intellectual equivalent of a toddler's meltdown. Those golden age posters would be embarrassed to share a forum with this performance.
You called me obsessed, a kid, pathetic, low class, told me to leave Nigeria, leave Nairaland, go back to Scandinavia. Every single one of those insults exposed exactly who you are: someone who cannot handle being corrected, so you reached for the oldest playbook in existence.
Attack the messenger. Question their motives. Tell them to leave. Suggest they're obsessed.
It's almost impressive how unoriginal you are.
You asked why I'm on a Nigerian forum? Because I live here. I've raised my daughter here. I've been here long enough to know the difference between culture and law, and long enough to recognize when people like you lie about both.
You told me I'm "pathetically obsessed" and need to "find a job and a purpose in life."
Rich coming from a man who just wrote multiple paragraphs of emotional vomit instead of addressing a single legal citation. Who's obsessed, exactly? The person presenting case law, or the person having a breakdown because they can't refute it?
You said you "could have nothing to do with anyone of such a low class."
Good. I prefer my conversations with people who can actually think. You've demonstrated you're not qualified.
You finished with patronizing dismissal because when you have lost completely, when you have no argument left, when you've been intellectually outmatched and know it, you retreat to condescension.
Predictable. Boring. Defeated.
I don't need your approval. I need people like you to stop lying about the law, stop pretending culture grants you authority you don't have, and stop throwing tantrums when someone knows more than you.
But since you can't do any of that, how about you take your own advice?
Go find something better to do than embarrass yourself on a forum you claim to respect. Maybe then the "golden age" posters you idolize won't have to witness you dragging their legacy through the mud with your mediocrity.
Good night, old man.
Try harder next time.

Got banned you ran away

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Didn't read any of this. Good luck.

tctrills:
No verse said Jesus Christ is not and cannot ever be God; you just made that up.

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Several do. But I see what you are doing. You want it produced verbatim. Sorry I didn't use quotation marks so no deal. But too many verses make that abundantly clear.

Fenrir:
What does it say?

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Good night, young lady. Find a good man.

Fenrir:
Say that to my face? Gone on. Email and ill give you my address

Thats Nigerian men, you scream online you dont say anything in person

Pathetic
Mouthy
Little boys in person

Keyboard warriors online

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I could have nothing to do with anyone of such a low class, sorry.

Fenrir:
Prithee desist from thine grandiose philippics antecedent to my obfuscating thy bellicose disposition with mellifluous verbosity

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Lol. Joker. You'd better go find a job and a purpose in life.
Because you arent grown.

Fenrir:
You are the one that made the child remark showing how petty you are

And FYI like ive said many times

Im Norwegian/Swedish/Danish with all accompany citizenships

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Its not hard if you prove you are worth it

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You are the one who carries Nigerian men on your head. If someone says "Good morning" you would reply saying, "oh only arrogant Nigerian Men say such!" You are pathetically obsessed and it shows you up as a kid. Since you have so many options why are you here? Why not go enjoy the quality time of men from those wonderful places and leave us in peace?

Fenrir:
I can recite Nigerian law

I can tell you all of your ORIGINAL cultures that you lie about

I can name Every single tribe in your country

Dont believe me then come to ikoyi and ill do it while listen and learn

And scream excellence while you lie about culture and tradition daily?

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I am not interested,. Just go back to the North Pole then you would not have to live your life on a Nigerian forum faking you who are and weeping all day about the poor and useless Nigerian men. Deal? Sounds far more reasonable to me.

Fenrir:
Excellence? Fella most of you men cannot afford a pot to piss in let alone run a family and you scream Excellence?

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

How puerile. This tells me a whole lot. We were talking academic excellence and your revert is how poor people are.

You know nothing. You are a kid and I can tell for free you are not who you say you are.

Fenrir:
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So f.......... what? I am close to 50 and dual nationality.

I mentioned that you come across like a kid for a reason, you do.

If you have issues with "Nigerian men" such that you cant speak two sentences without referring to us, and your bigoted response to every argument is to refer to us, dont you think you should return to Britain or Scandinavia and leave us alone? Or just leave Nairaland alone? Surely you should have better things to do than waste your time on a Nigerian Forum complaining about Nigerian men.

Even if you are 90, you have the obsessed mind of a 15 year old girl.

Fenrir:
Thats the problem with Nigerian men even evidence is denied and accusations with no evidence are believed

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Ol boy, your conversation is none of my concern. All I know is that during the golden age of nairaland there were many who wrote with pin point academic accuracy and excellence which kids like you today would call AI - and even AI of today will class as AI - because it doesnt know that such writing predated it.

There are many First class posts and posters from years ago right here on NL that will prove the point.

tctrills:
So first, I understand and agree with all the verses you quoted, so even by your standard, I am not deluded.

So, according to our bible, Jesus Christ is God, and you will be deluded not to accept it.
Let's read the verses.
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Hebrew 1. 8-9
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now, who is the Savior?
In the Old Testament, we learn that God is the Only Savior.
Isaiah 43:11 — “I, even I, am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.”

Isaiah 45:21 — “There is no God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior.”

Hosea 13:4 — “You know no God but Me, and besides Me there is no savior.”

So we know that there is only one Savoir and He is God, right?

Now, in the New Testament, we know who God is in the Old Testament
Luke 2:11 — “For unto you is born… a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

Acts 5:31 — “God exalted Him… as Leader and Savior.”

Titus 2:13 — “Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

In the Old Testament, we also know that God alone is the First and Last / Beginning and End. Only one person can be the first, right?
From the New Testament, we know who that God is.

Revelation 1:17–18 — “I am the First and the Last… I was dead, and behold I am alive.”

Revelation 22:13 — “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Isaiah 41:4 — “I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last; I am He.”

Revelation 22:13 — “I am the Alpha and the Omega…”

Again, we have only one creator and He is God.
Isaiah 44:24 — “I, the LORD, made all things, stretching out the heavens alone.” He said He did it alone, no help.
From the New Testament, we learn that Jesus Christ is the same God who created the earth
John 1:3 — “All things were made through Him.”

Colossians 1:16 — “By Him all things were created.”


Again, we learn from the Old Testament that it will be God who will judge the earth. In the New Testament, we discovered who God is.
Genesis 18:25 — “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Psalm 96:13 — “He comes to judge the earth.
John 5:22 — “The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.

2 Timothy 4:1 — “Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead.
Do you agree with the bible that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament? The same God that the Old Testament says will judge the world, is the creator, is the only Savior, and is the first and the last?

If you don't agree with the Bible, then you are deluded.

Hope you noticed that I used multiple scriptures to back up my points, so you just have to accept them.

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Surely you know that there are even more explicit verses saying Jesus is not and cannot ever be God?

Fenrir:
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Maybe I am confused. Anyway, not my business. All I am saying is that what I read from TenQ does not look AI to me, just pretty normal stuff.

Last year he spent over half the year abroad. Well, this year, lets see.
A people get the leaders they deserve.

Fenrir:
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And Here are the specific signs that this is an AI generated response:
​The "Listicle" Structure
​AI models love numbered lists. When asked to "defend God's existence" or "provide scientific proof," an AI will almost always default to a 1-10 list format. While humans do this too, the AI’s version is perfectly balanced, with each point roughly the same length and following a logical progression (Cosmology \rightarrow Biology \rightarrow Consciousness \rightarrow Theology).
​"Polished but Generic" Phrasing
​Notice the specific vocabulary:
​"Uncaused First Cause": This is a classic "textbook" term that AI pulls from its training on philosophy.
​"Biological Organism with a SOFTWARE called the SOUL": AI often uses technological metaphors (software, kernel, hardware) to explain abstract concepts because it has been trained on a vast amount of tech-related data.
​"Subjective experience": A very common AI "filler" phrase.
​Lack of "Forum Flavor"
​Nairaland is famous for its very specific Nigerian slang, "Naija" English, and a certain combative or highly emotive energy. This post has zero typos, zero local slang, and a very "clinical" or "Western academic" tone. It reads like an essay or a blog post rather than a forum comment.
​The "Flatland" Metaphor
​The use of Flatland is a very common "pre packaged" analogy found in AI training data. When an AI is asked to explain "higher dimensions" or "miracles" in a rational way, it almost invariably references Flatland because it's the most famous literary example of that concept.
​Perfect Grammar and Pacing
​Humans especially in heated online debates usually have "bursty" writing. They use fragments, multiple exclamation marks, or run-on sentences. This text has perfect punctuation and a very steady, rhythmic pacing. It is "too clean" for a spontaneous forum argument.
​The "Non Scriptural" Prompting
​The opening line, "I feel led to answer you without using scripture," is a common way users prompt AI: "Give me an argument for God but don't use the Bible." The AI then generates exactly what it was told a series of "scientific ish" sounding points.

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I dont think what he wrote was AI generated. If we are to go by the so called terms and phrases pointed out, many of us had been using them long long long before anything like AI. I am sure you can find many of my own posts well over 15 years ago that your AI assessment would also assume was AI generated.

LordReed:
Any test for delusion that doesn't start with what is factual reality is a useless test, like this one.

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How can one be testing delusions with delusions.

SIRTee15:
penis captivus is very painful and could last hours. It's also exhausting and could lead to collapse of either couple. In most cases they need muscle relaxants to separate them.
The only case I've seen, the cheating couple had to shout for help when the man complained he was about to faint.

I don't have a problem if u argue it's a natural phenomenon but most medical journals agree it's very rare that some conclude it's a myth, urban legend or hoax; that's how rare it is. Others confirm it but admit its far in between. Yet in africa, there's no month we dont see cases of penis captivus making headline and it's always cheating couples.
don't just dismiss something because u want to apply foreign concept to native challenges. That's the problem with our ineffectual elites in Africa. They are quick to implement foreign solutions to local problem and in most cases, it doesnt work.

see below medical journals on penis captivus stating it's very rare.

In an article published in the British Medical Journal in 1979, Dr F. Kräupl Taylor reviewed the literature on penis captivus and concluded that while "almost all the cases mentioned in medical publications and in textbooks are based on hearsay and rumour", two papers published by nineteenth-century German gynaecologists – Scanzoni (1870) and Hildebrandt (1872) – who had personally dealt with cases of the condition "leave no doubt about the reality of this unusual symptom", which, however, "is so rare that it is often regarded nowadays as no more than a prurient myth".

Finding no later reports that were properly authenticated, Kräupl Taylor was of the opinion that the symptom "does not seem to have occurred in the past 100 years or so. If there had been, during that time, a case of penis captivus that needed medical intervention or admission to hospital it would have been eagerly reported in a medical journal with as much detail and evidence as possible."

In a letter published in the British Medical Journal in 1980 in response to Kräupl Taylor's article, Dr Brendan Musgrave recalled that in 1947 when he was a houseman at the Royal Isle of Wight County Hospital he had seen a case of this seemingly rare condition. "I can distinctly remember the ambulance drawing up and two young people, a honeymoon couple I believe, being carried on a single stretcher into the casualty department. An anaesthetic was given to the female and they were discharged later the same morning." To check the veracity of his memory, Dr. Musgrave had rung his old friend Dr S.W. Wolfe, "who was the other houseman at the hospital at the time. He confirmed my story, his exact words being 'I remember it well.'"

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Fair enough but it's really a medical thing. Nothing like juju there. People just panic and yea a doc will inject a muscle relaxant to get it unstuck.

shortgun:
Keep talking nonsense because you have refused to put your brain to use and think for yourself.
Penis captivus is very rare and when it does happen it usually lasts only a few seconds to a few minutes.
What is described here is not penis captivus.

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It is. It's just fear and tension that makes it last longer.

There is nothing like magun oh.

SIRTee15:
so its cheating couples that understand the consequence of being caught that will decide to make their case public

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No, it's fear. Once they are stuck they are terrified of getting caught and so they react to fast. It's nothing special, a real couple will keep it quiet and wait for the muscles to relax. That's all. A cheating couple will expose themselves through fear and imagination of juju.