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TenQ:
I guess I have to ask you this question first.

If you believe in an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything who operates outside the physical and chemical laws,
Who do you think He is?

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I think it is unknowable.

phoenix45:
wow show me way na

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Lol, I was a baby lawyer then merely running errands for the higher ups.

phoenix45:
Yes you are sounding like a typical ronu werey that never believe or always ready to downplay that any igbo man will have such remarkable achievmeent. Only you have been running around the thread talking what nobody asked you. Even the chief tribalist like helinues, madrid guy and others kept quiet but you no fit hide your pepper body. nawa oh. The day mike adenuga was celebrated i never knew he crashed the price of the telecom service in nigeria and i so excited and imagined the kind of technocrat brain he has to achieve that.

PS: Go and make your generation proud and leave tribalism again.

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This is your reaction to a humble retraction? Please dont assume me a tribalist. I am not. I have railed against tribalism - especially anti-Igbo tribalism on this forum constantly. I hate it.

I should not have said what I said. I have taken it back severally.
I cant remember how many times I took board papers to Pascal at his home in the early days of MTN, so I should not be the one to say anything downplaying his role.

Hedonisco:
He did. He moved the needle. Without him, MTN wouldn't get that licence at that time.

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I have said I ought not to have said what I said.

TenQ:
So, which of my points do you disagree with?

I have not attempted to prove the Christian God at all.

All I have established is that it is LOGICAL and even SCIENTIFIC to conclude that an Intelligent Uncaused-First-Cause created the Universe AND this Uncaused-First-Cause cannot be made of Matter and cannot be subject to the Physical and Chemical Laws.

Except for being Obstinate, there exist no other plausible conclusion.

The question of WHO this Uncaused-First-Cause is another question entirely!

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I have no issues with this argument and have made it myself many times.

I just want to know how you proceed from this to Jesus.

TenQ:
The logic is this
Time is irrelevant without matter
Matter cannot exist without space
Space without matter is meaningless as there isn't any dimensions by which it can be defined.

Can you ask any AI the question:
According to science, did time, space and matter appear simultaneously at the origin of the universe?

I'll like to know the answer

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I know the scientific position. I just dont agree with it and have debated that point on this forum as far back as 2010 - 16 years ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/577313/thehomer-now-lets-discuss-big

Your challenge as to how to prove Christianity still remains.

ariesbull:
You have a problem with English comprehension

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DeepSight:
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Understood. I think I shouldn't have said what I said.

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DeepSight:
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Alright alright alright.
Perhaps I shouldn't have said so. Maybe I am the one now sounding as though I am downplaying his role, which no one should.

PHIPEX:
MTN is a SA branch, I dont think the writer denied that. If you read the report well it was stated Pascal didn't have the money but Crowd funded from friends. There is a reason why he is the Chairman

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Understood. I think I shouldn't have said what I said.

Elusive001:
I respect you for this.

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Thank you sa!

Elusive001:
Are you okay?

Did you read the article at all? Did it say he single handedly? You just dey fight yourself: na eli anu onwe gi. Una lives no easy ooo. Una dey try.

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Alright alright alright.
Perhaps I shouldn't have said so. Maybe I am the one now sounding as though I am downplaying his role, which no one should.

Why is PMB not in the poll.

PHIPEX:
Oya tell us the real story? Dis MTN walk into Nigeria to start on their own? Did MTN pay the licence fee themselves?

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I didn't say Pascal didn't work it. I said they make it sound like he did it single handedly.

There were other actors as well as on the South African side.

SSpeter:
Yeah he did. MTN was a boutique telecoms company in SA, he wasn't the first mover though Econet was, but he mastermind the entrance of MTN (small at that time) to the Nigerian space

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I simply said they wrote it as though he did it all. Far from the case.

peleson1:
But he actually did
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He did ok?!!

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Not single handedly the way it's written.

This story exaggerates the role of the good old man. He did well, but they make it sound like he founded MTN in Nigeria or single handedly brought it to Nigeria.

TenQ:
Normally, I shouldn't respond to your question but I feel led to answer you without using scripture.


1. You are the number one proof of God's existence. You exist and you are an intelligent and rational creature. A Building is the evidence of a Builder. A painting is the evidence of a Painter!
2. There is a scientific evidence that the universe had not being for ever, it has an age of about 13.6billion years old
3. There is a scientific evidence that time, space and matter appeared simultaneously at the origin of the universe expansion
4. There exist a scientific law of entropy that prevents you to self assemble from nothing
5. Because of entropy we know that the universe had not always existed.
6. There is a scientific law of cause and effect operating in the universe
7. Based on this, the Universe is the effect of a cause.
8. The cause must have happened before the universe, meaning that the cause CANNOT operate on any physical or chemical laws.
9. This Primary Cause is what for now we call the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything .
10. This Cause must be Spaceless, Timeless, Matterless and Intelligent because every law of physics and chemistry came into being only after the universe came into being.

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If these are the ten points you were referring to, I agree with them (except that I dont believe that time and space were created by or at the moment of the big bang, I believe that time and space cannot be created).

Your challenge is how to move from the above to Christianity.

seunmsg:
Top 10 contributors to global real GDP growth (2026)


Source: IMF


Source

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Sober up and ask yourself if this is the handiwork of Tinubu or a natural factor of the size of Nigeria - whose economy was the largest in Africa before APC and is now at fourth or fifth, and whose GDP fell by more than half since Tinubu resumed.

Omenlon:
no it's not an offence, just courtesy and pleasantries.

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Haven't followed the story. What exactly did she do or say.

DoctorAyukebot:
What a joke..Like the say ignorance of theaw is no excuse

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I dont follow. And honestly, I havnt followed this matter.

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Hang on a second. Is that the offence? She called someone a witch?

TenQ:
I listed 10 scientific facts, yours is to pick one at a time and justify why it is false

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Alright, the link.

BondRiv:
Fubara is playing with fire. Is this the person APC leaders are begging for? An unrepentant ingrate that can never change. People have started pushing him again to act like a strong man, but when the problems come, he will chicken out. He wants to start what he can't finish. If you are following someone's playbook, know it can be altered at any point by that same person. Fubara is yet to learn his lesson, later he will start begging for peace. He will surely learn the hard way.

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Are you Lere Olayinka?

TenQ:
Birds of the same feathers!

Be serious. I remember you as a thinker. Dont just hand wave and claim there arent valid points in what he wrote which any serious seeker of truth would not stop to ponder on.

HelenaWills:
I wanted to gift you home theatre plus some other household items especially kitchen stuff if you were in Lagos. But a skim through your topics shows you are just a troll. What a pity.

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Surprised anyone took it seriously

TenQ:
When your entire understanding of Christianity is based on ignorance!
SMH!

It is easy to defeat a Strawman!

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Much of what the fellow said is sadly true about the absurdity of Xristianity and it is this response of yours which rather appears escapist.

Nwaikpe:
If there are other talented groups, then they should have won the Grammies, or any other award on that field.

Abi?

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Nah. The world is way too big and diverse to limit things like that.

This is sheer lunacy.

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Nwaikpe:
Yes, absolutely.
If you have a people that is only 0.05% of the world population but then has about 40% of all Nobel prizes, then it is a testament to their intelligence over others.

If you have a people that are 0.05% of the world, but by means of their inventions, have saved the world in medicine, defense, technology, etc and even could defend themselves from 25% population of the world that seeks to destroy them, then it is an ultimate arbiter of the intelligences.

If you don't believe it, present another factor of judgment.

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Hey I dont deny them their dues, which I personally believe are a result of longsuffering under pressure for centuries which tends to bring out the best in people. Nonetheless it is sheer madness to think a particular award is the SOLE arbiter of the intelligence of any groups. Its almost like saying the Grammys determine the most artistically talented races or tribes in the world.

Nwaikpe:
Now, records don't lie.

Records are not Palestinian journalist and humanitarian "victims."

If you have a people that are more intelligent than they are present.
Present the new argument about Arabs being more intelligent than Jews.



If you have a list that proves a new argument of how intelligence is measured, please prove it.

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Are you saying that the Nobel Prize is the ultimate arbiter of the intelligence of races and in this case even tribes?

Nwaikpe:
Go and check out the Nobel Prize awards.

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Is this the old argument about the superior intelligence of Jews?
And even if it is, do you really think US support is about that?

LordReed:
Very simple question, are Christians and Jews Muslims? Just a simple yes or no.

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Please hold your discussant to the essentials of being a Muslim which are -

The most fundamental requirement—the "entry point"—is the Shahada. This is a sincere testimony of belief spoken with conviction:

"La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasul Allah." (There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.)

To be a Muslim, one must believe in the absolute oneness of God (Tawhid) and accept Muhammad as the final prophet.
----Culled.

In addition by extension are the practice of the five pillars of Islam, but just hold the above.

LordReed:
Going better than I expected. I haven't touched any alcohol since. I did discover 0% beer though so that was a consolation. LoLz.

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Thats great. I regularly go off for two or three months to detox but thats about it. Well done.
As we get older its really important.