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FxMasterz:
Give me a scripture that says Yahweh DOES evil.

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What's the point. I gave you one in which he says so himself but all you have done is dance around claiming that he really is referring to non evil things like justified judgement.

Why should I bother. If I were to start listing all of the abominations he has done in scripture, I will obviously be wasting my energy since you can contradict him directly.


Seriously, never mind. It doesn't matter.
Since he doesn't exist.

FxMasterz:
But justified judgement is what Yahweh does.

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This is what I cant stand. You pick a thing that is not evil and use it as an example of the evil that Yahweh says he does. Enough. Don't bother.

FxMasterz:
There's no contradiction. It's all based on the fact that you've misunderstood a lot of things.

Yahweh does only good and not evil. When He judges someone for wickedness and brings evil upon him, that does not translate to him doing evil. If you see that as evil, you're having a lopsided judgement of that action. Let me give you an example.

A man has stolen your goat. He was caught, prosecuted and sentenced to prison. To the man and his loved ones, evil has befallen him. But to you who got justice, good has befallen you. This makes the matter of good and evil somehow subjective. But a wholistic look at the whole thing makes you know that justice is good but it's a bitter experience for the condemned.

These are in levels. There are crimes a person may commit against you that would lead to a death sentence. Evil has befallen the criminal, isn't it? But you who received justice would be glad that such good things have befallen you.

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Justified judgement is not evil so you can't use that as an example.

tctrills:
Wrong.
Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If Jesus Christ was chosen to pay the price of sin before the foundation of the world, the plan was made even before the world was created. It is the one original plan of the Father.

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You will end up becoming an atheist very soon.

FxMasterz:
Yes. Yahweh is capable of doing anything but He doesn't do evil.

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Seems you know better than him, since you are contradicting him. Its alright, never mind.

FxMasterz:
Now, I understand you.

The knowledge that good and evil exists is different from the knowledge to be able to do good or evil. The former was what man had before eating the fruit. The latter is what they had after eating tje fruit. That's why the first murder was recorded only after that.

The knowledge of what could be done is separate from the knowledge of how to do it.

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Why then was Yahweh afraid that the man had become "like one of us, knowing good and evil.?

Does this not show, if we follow your distinction that Yahweh and his "us" were also capable of doing evil.

LordReed:
You didn't need to say it in the first place because this is not the answer to the question I asked. You are dodging answering the question because you know it will skewer you but that's ok, I think I am satisfied at this point. LoLz.

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Since skewered. Tey tey.

FxMasterz:
He was God in heaven and Man on earth at the same time. What exactly do you need clarification on? Or, are you thinking that His human nature was transmitting evil into heaven? Even as man on earth, Jesus was known to be absolutely sinless.

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On the cross, he is said to be bearing the sin of man, hence the argument that God (himself) forsook him at that moment, leading to the cry "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me."

FxMasterz:
You're bit getting me at all.

I'm not arguing about where the council holds. I'm arguing that the scripture presented by lordreed is not adequate enough for what he claims. Please get me right. I am telling him that he's wrongly inferring what the verse didn't infer. I am not discussing about the council's meeting place at all.

As for the scripture in Job, I have told lordreed that even if heaven is inferred as the location of the council, that verse didn't say Satan was dwelling in heaven. This applies to your Ahab scripture above too. Like I said to him, you cannot say there's a cat in my house just because Mr. Donald visits me with his cat. You cannot say there's evil in heaven just because Satan goes there for a meeting. However, there's nothing in that job scripture that states Satan was meeting with God in heaven.

God is not confined to a place. Purge yourself of whatever religion has told you, and learn God for yourself. God is not a Being confined to a place. God having a meeting does not necessarily mean that the meeting is holding in heaven. God is omnipresent.

That's why I gave him thT scripture which he ignored. Perhaps, you can help him. Can you tell me what you understand about John 1:51:


He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man."

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I quoted more than those two verses and they also included descriptive verses with the throne of God and heavenly hosts.
I drop the topic. This is too escapist and unconvincing.

chiefolododo:
This woman again

She must be backed by some powerful politicians

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Wait are you the real Chief Olododo

gbagyiza:
Terrorist groups typically operate by controlling the narrative. They always try to project strength—claiming they are in charge and winning, even when reality suggests otherwise. If this particular mission had failed badly, they would likely have been quick to present evidence to the world, arguing that America merely wasted its bombs on Nigerian soil.
Globally, Islamic terrorist groups view the United States as an enemy of Islam, and they rarely miss an opportunity to push propaganda against it. Their silence in this case is therefore telling. It strongly suggests that they suffered significant losses: many fighters were neutralized, and their camps and logistics were heavily damaged.
Any survivors, if they exist at all, are likely in hiding rather than regrouping. In this context, the absence of propaganda is not accidental—it is a signal of a heavy defeat resulting from the American strike.

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This is one-sided because the truth is also that the US virtually always boasts about the success of its strikes especially under their talkative and irresponsible current president.

He would similarly have been too glad and too eager to say what was destroyed and the claim that they suddenly have some tactical reasons to classify the results falls very very flat especially when there was evidence everywhere of unexploded bombs that fell in random and empty fields.

crafteck:
No be only usa restaurants dey, dem no dey do beggy beggy for all restaurants, tipping isnt a right

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Never said it was.
It isn't a sin either.

FxMasterz:
It doesn't because both states don't interfere.

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What does this even mean? Are you saying he was no longer God when on the cross?

FxMasterz:
Yeah, God has a divine council, but these Scriptures did not mention the place. Even 'the midst of the gods' is not a place.

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The question that is key is the presence of the Lord because you should wonder if evil can be in the presence of the Lord - especially since you yourself said the Lord cannot stand sin. You yourself said it "irritates" him. So stop contradicting yourself.

Now, Job 1:6 - here is the expanded context - (note the bold portions).

6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” 9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

Now look at 2 Ch 18 and tell me with a straight face that this does not disclose the location -

“Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the heavenly host standing on his right and on his left. 19 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
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Can you look at the bold and tell me that does not refer to heaven? With the reference to the throne and the heavenly host before the Lord? If you claim that it does not, frankly I will see no reason to believe that you are being serious going forward.

It is also impossible to read Daniel 7 (even though its a vision being described, and fail to see that it refers to heaven.

Daniel 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. 10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.

Here is Isaiah Chapter 6:1.

1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying.

If you insist that this does not speak about heaven, I have no choice but to leave you alone as I will be forced to conclude that you are deliberately making a joke of the discussion.

Musty112:
No one is compelled to tip key? Have you have of "if you cannot afford to tip, you cannot afford to eat there"?

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Its not a hard and fast thing. No one tips a grumpy waiter for example.

RichBoy247:
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Bribing and corruption has made this one not to know what is right from what is wrong. Tipping is nonsensical

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This is simply unenlightened and comes across as what someone who is untraveled would say.

FxMasterz:
He is not just God. He is also man.

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Doesn't matter so long as you say he is God as well.

Musty112:
What philosophy pls? A philosophy that tempts workers to treat one customer better or worse or even resent someone just because they did not do extra after paying for their food. What if they did not have? What if they had other commitment. What if everyone in every industry begin to ask for a tip. No matter how you shroud it, tipping is charity and one should never be forced or embarrassed or blackmailed emotionally to give it.

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No one is compelled to tip, and yes, you are right that it would be wrong to ambush, intimidate or emotionally blackmail anyone into doing so. Nonetheless it is wrong to assume that it is inherently wrong to tip and furthermore you cannot complain that anyone is extra nice to a generous giver.

Musty112:
Spiritually dark because he is reserved against modernized begging?. I know he renders sevice too in one form or the other and it is only fair that you state your price that would enable you to sufficiently cater for your business and workforce without parading around as entitled beggars.

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You dont don't understand the philosophy of tips.
It is also one thing to say you may not give tips in some instances but quite another thing to say or suggest that it is inherently wrong to do so, ever.

Kaczynski:
No, i won't tip besides i'm not her employer so why should i do such a thing .

tipping is nothing but an extortion mechanism dressed as gratitude.

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People like you are spiritually dark and reduce the light of enlightened and loving humanity.

Please try to stay away from restaurants and as much as possible DO NOT engage any service men or women to do any odd jobs for you, do them yourself.

You will be doing the world a favor.

Jeez.

FxMasterz:
I'm trying to let you see that you don't understand the Bible at all. Yet, you've made a lot of wrong conclusions about the Bible's God based on inadequate knowledge. See how you're reading the Bible. Very flawed. Let me give you a scripture and let me see whT you'll learn from it:

John 1:51: "And he said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

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Pls just tell us where such meetings are likely to hold if not in heaven, thanks.
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God is irritated by sin. It can't stay where God stays.

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How then could Jesus bear the sin of the world on the cross if he is also God?

FxMasterz:
Yeah, God has a divine council, but these Scriptures did not mention the place. Even 'the midst of the gods' is not a place.

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I dont think even you believe in this excuse.
Perhaps the Divine Council of gods meets in Hell or on Earth?

The words in each verse I cited are more than just suggestive as to the "where."

Be serious please. Dont make one begin to think you are willing to make excuses that no one could take seriously.

FxMasterz:
Can you answer that question yourself and show us where the Bible claims God holds His council?.

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Job 1.6
2 Ch 18:19-22

Psalm 82:1 - "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment."

Daniel 7: 9-10

Isaiah 6 :1-8

Jakumo:
Barrister DeepSight, the dispassionate, inquiring tone with which you have sought more definitive information about the aftermath of those missile strikes, contrasts sharply with the mocking, and almost jubilant air in evidence when a few other Nairaland contributors simply declared their uninformed presumptions about what the absence of bomb-damage photographs meant to them, in the limited context of their shallow thinking.

While I too am somewhat puzzled about the US decision to keep all bomb-damage photographs out of the public realm for now, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that hundreds if not thousands of Islamist terror hoodlums were smoked on Christmas night in Sokoto State, and thus reduced to charred remains that are no longer capable of participating in the ongoing genocidal invasion of Nigeria.

Here's hoping that the bombardment will soon resume on a larger scale and much wider geographical spread, as the good year 2026 kicks off.

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I am hoping so too.

Jakumo:
The wishful-thinking closet supporters of Islamist terror in Nigeria are obviously electing to misinterpret the US military's reticence to publicly share video clips of the twisted and fragmented cadavers that resulted from the long overdue Christmas night US air strikes in northern Nigeria.

Those barely-hidden terrorist supporters prefer to convince themselves that the absence of any crispy critter photographs showing terrorist corpses thus far being published online by US authorities, must mean that that $20M worth of missiles launched from ships and drones over 90 minutes commencing at midnight December 25th, 2025, did not strike their assigned targets.

Rather than debate with such people whose Islamist terror gang sympathies become more apparent with each scornful declaration they make about those corrective air strikes, an easier and wiser approach would be to ignore all that background noise while patiently awaiting the next scheduled US missile barrage in northern Nigeria, secure in the knowledge that the ballistic projectile guidance systems fielded by the US military rarely every misjudge their designated targets, REGARDLESS of whether any official photographs of the annihilating carnage inflicted on designated targets are ever published for the public's consumption.

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There are legitimate and fair questions to be asked and no one needs to conclude that those asking them are terrorist sympathisers.

On the contrary, swallowing every claim of the US in this matter without scrutiny is what would qualify as naive.

Especially in the face of glaring oddities.

kpankpangolo:
Three weeks later and the public has seen zero evidence. I guess we have to assume the terrorists were neutralized.

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Seems questionable.

In Venezuela less than two days later the world was informed that about eighty people were killed including 32 Cubans.

But in this mystery strike, three weeks later the whole thing is still shrouded in secrecy.

Strange.

Kukutente23:
Even if it wasn't, there's no way that's a penalty with the position of the player's feet

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Where have you been? I have been looking for you.

I want us to divert our discussions towards theology.

dominique:
Ball to hand, almost looks at if the Algerian player deliberately played to our player's hands. Okay if to say got the penalty and the match had ended 2-1, dem commot abi dem no commot?

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Looks like ball to hand

Xxxxx

dederocs:
Who are known advocates for child brides...what you are saying is hogwash, total waste of my time engaging you. IQ not high enough.

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Says one suffering from sufficient inferiority complex to worship Trump.

All questions dodged and you talk of IQ.

I am certain I can tell the sort of school you went to.

Enjoy.

FxMasterz:
Did it really say heaven? We were never told where the presentation took place. You're just assuming.


I have told you that heaven is a pure place because there's no sin there. Hence, no evil.

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This sounds escapist to me and I am sure you know it is escapist.

At all events is the presence of Yahweh not holy enough to exclude evil company.

LordReed:
Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

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It actually says "the Sons of God" which makes it worse.

Furthermore in 2 Chronicles 18:19-22, Yahweh holds a council in heaven where he endorses the creation and propagation of a lie inorder to destroy a man.

Is that not evil in heaven.

FxMasterz:
Not sarcasm. I'm certainly creating a post tomorrow. I'll mention you.

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Alright thx