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Kobojunkie:
No it isn't better to compare in anyway. As long as you have books written by human hands, there will always be errors in its translations - even in reading what is written, many are bound to unconsciously insert their personal delusions/ideas(they call it "special interpretation" between the lines. The Spirit of God does not give any type of "special interpretation" as far as even the Bible is concerned and there is no scripture to back up that claim.

Since the book is written and present in Human language, What I have found as best practise, as is same with any other book out there, is to pick the translation that is in the language you are best able to comprehend, and try to let the book read itself to you, rather than you reading extra meanings into what is written.
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So, do you notice any difference?

You see the Lord Jesus Christ cannot bring trouble. And the Bible is not the same as any other book. This is where I don't believe you

Danhoys:
Americans said the same thing

America is not Nigeria. If you want to practice your lesbianism, get of this country. yo to the country where they practice, but not here in Nigeria. when people get hold of you, you will know that we don't want homosexualism in Nigeria

Kobojunkie:
A better advice is that you learn that language evolves over time, but the word of God does not change with language. You are reading from King James because you were probably one of those fed the lie that it is an accurate translation or something. But King James is not exempt as far as errors and mistakes in the translations of the words of men contained in it.
That said, this is the same passage pulled from the King James translation

Notice that the commands are still there...

Am not saying that King James version is totally correct, but at least is better compare to this version you are reading. let's take up. Write that passage of the Bible where erv said that Jesus has not come to bring peace but trouble, write the version of King James and let's see the difference

kpakpandoN:
Many times, people say it is impossible to live holy. That is not true. Jesus lived on earth for thirty-three years without committing even a single sin. If Jesus could do it, you can do it too because His grace is sufficient for you (2nd Corinthians 12:9). The problem is that we look at the concert of holiness with so much fear and just conclude that it is not possible. Holiness is simply obedience.
“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
James 4:17

Once you know the right thing to do, do it. Simple. You have read in your Bible not to steal; don’t steal. You have read that it is wrong to lie; don’t lie. Just obey. That’s all.

Now, you may say “Obedience to every single instruction from God is not easy,” but if you take it one at a time, then you would see the possibility.

“And he said to them all, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
Luke 9:23

Jesus said you should take up your cross daily. If you think about keeping your body and teeth clean for the rest of your life, it will look like a lot of work. But when you just ensure that you keep them clean daily, then you will achieve the goal for the rest of your life. You brush your teeth every morning, you take your bath every morning, so also should you decide to live holy every morning. When you wake up in the morning, renew your commitment to live holy just for that day. Tell yourself “Adeboye, throughout today, you will not commit any sin; you will live holy for the next twenty-four hours.” With just twenty-four hours as the goal, it is easier to achieve holiness. By the time you add thirty sets of twenty-four hours together, you would have been holy for one month and then one year and so on. Just take up your cross daily.
Written by Pastor E.A. Adeboye.

God bless you for sharing this

Kobojunkie:
I believe these are from ERV since it is written in common English language as used today.
What do you mean?

All this things you wrote, the Lord Jesus Christ didn't say they are commandment. It is you that is tagging it as a commandment. And I have problem that of the not bringing peace but trouble. that word trouble is not appropriate. I use to read the new living translation but there was lot of misinterpretation. So I stop Reading it. And Bible translation apart from King James version is nothing. Write that same Bible verse in King James version you will see it is a whole different thing. One piece of advice, stop reading erv, nlt version of the Bible

Kobojunkie:
Here are the 7 commandments for accepting Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

Obedience is the key into the Kingdom of God. Acceptance means obedience to His commandments. No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do i.e. Obey that which He has stipulated. The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is the Grace and Truth of God that God sent you, and Obedience is the key!

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)


4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)



6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Which Bible translation are you using. And you interpreted this list as the Lord Jesus Christ commandment

Kobojunkie:
God made two contract agreements between Himself and men, and these agreements are documented in the Bible. They are at the center of His relationship with man.

OLD Covenant : This agreement is documented beginning from Exodus 17 through to Deuteronomy 30 where it is ratified between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob. No other people are included in this agreement, and the condition for obtaining the promise in this agreement is obedience.
The old Covenant came with a yoke of about 613 Commandments, about 20 blessings, more than 30 curses, a burden that is borne by every person in the land, and a promise of eternal life in the land of Canaan. Only those whose ancestors line go back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could partake of this covenant. The seal of the Old Covenant was circumcision of the flesh.

This agreement is an everlasting agreement between God and the people of Israel (descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob) - no other people/persons are covered under that agreement. Also It cannot be changed or done away with.

New Covenant : God Himself, through His Word(Jesus Christ), made yet another agreement with man. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant (The Grace and Truth of God), and only those who accept Him can partake of Him. The details of the New Covenant are found throughout the Gospels and are detailed in the Life examples, Teachings, and most importantly, WORDS(Truth) that is Jesus Christ. The condition for acceptance of this Covenant is also Obedience(God does not change).

This agreement comes with a yoke of about 46 commandments, each person carrying his own cross (burden, not someone else's), approximately 17 blessings, approximately 30 curses, and the promise of everlasting life beginning right here on earth, and eventual entry into the kingdom of God for those who make it. Every human being on the planet is eligible for this covenant, however, there are 7 commandments stipulated in other for one to truly "accept" Jesus Christ, the New Covenant. The seal of the New Covenant is God Himself, through His Spirit.

Compared to the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, comes with an easy yoke, and a light burden. And He, Jesus Christ, is gentile and humble at heart.

The details of the New Covenant were concluded when Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "It is finished". He gave us all the commandments that were considered part of the New Covenant, and what was left was the fulfillment of Prophecy to free mankind from the burden of sin and death, as well as ensure that His New Covenant reached my ears and your ears- His great commission set this in motion.
The Spirit of God, the seal, arrived approximately 4 months(120 days) later to fully ratify the New Covenant with man.

Where in the Bible is the 76 commandment of the new convenant stated and 17 blessings and 30 curses. And do you know through the Christ we are descendants of Abraham

Kobojunkie:
Eternity comes through Jesus Christ.... He is eternal life itself. And before Jesus Christ, the Old Covenant law applied to those who were descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So, where in the bible does it suggest that ALL of Mankind has eternity bestowed on them from before the arrival of Jesus Christ?
Also, did Jesus Christ promise eternal life then to all of mankind or just to those who accept Him?

Can I ask you a question, what is the old convenant and the new convenant. you keep saying this things

Prechgold1180:
Maybe I just need to deactivate this account
All nairaland mods are clowns

I did not even submit dat shit

Rubbish people

They want to make you a muslim

AntiChristian:
Let's leave argument. This is a big change.

Let's leave argument, is not a change. God never change. Now, let's look at it this way, if you obey God and serve him, God says he will bless you and if you don't God instead of blessings, curses you. will you say God changed because he curses those that didn't obey him

AntiChristian:
But the OP Said Jesus cried to himself!

I don't know the op must have missed yarn. God is the Father while the Lord Jesus Christ is the son and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit

haekymbahd:
Simply say the new testament is for Christians.
I believe Muhammad was the one being talked about in Isaiah 42. If the covenant of your God is only with Israel why did he mention kedar and Sela mountain.

He should just stick with Israel since they are the only ones he made covenant with.

Well I also believe in Holy Spirit though.
Not only Christians have holy spirit it depends on who is following the true teaching of God..

Guy you are funny oooo. the new testament is for christian, while old testament is for Muslims. see as you dey follow us drag the Bible. I cannot can at all

AntiChristian:
Who is God? Prove it with the above verses only!

God is the Father. The Lord Jesus Christ cried to him in Matt 26:17.

AntiChristian:
Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

I never told you God changed. please don't misquote me. I told because of the love he has for his son and the price the son paid for our sins, the distance and the offence of man before God was done away. Man sinned and the price of that sin is for someone who hasn't sin to die for man. Now when the Lord Jesus Christ came and died for the sin of man, that barrier between God and God was distory. Man now had the grace to move closer to God. The killings in the old testament due to the sins of man made gave us a law.

AntiChristian:
See Confusion!

One God divided into three yet one!

In Matthew 27:16 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?".

This proved Jesus has a God. Yet, he is one with God!

Satan Tempts Jesus (God) Matthew 4:1
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Here we see the Holy Spirit leading Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan. Let's just say Satan tempted God (since Jesus is one with God).

How is Jesus son of God? Then the Father=God Himself?

This is what you don't want to see, but my brother this is who God is

AntiChristian:
He actually changed. I don't think there's fairness in the change though!

Some say Jesus is God. Jesus didn't change as Hebrew 13:8 says. But God changed as you said.

From what you said God does not create disaster again like in the OT.

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD (i.e Yahweh Jehovah), do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

What is question here.

AntiChristian:
Yes, i did!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

But your God changed from being brutal to being merciful as you said.

Does that mean he changed. it means he choose to deal with us differently. You are good with the Bible. only if you can read with a open mind

AntiChristian:
SO IN SHORT YOUR GOD IS NOT THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND TOMORROW ABI?

Didn't you read what I said

AntiChristian:
I don't have a bias mind. You have two Gods. The God of the Old Testament and the God of the New testament.

It's either the God of the New Testament displaced that of the OT or maybe the God of the OT changed his mind.

Can you tell us why the Lord became gentle in NT?

I made a mistake with that post. There is only one God in two different dispensation. In the time of old testament, the children of Israel were under the law. And like every other law, if you disobey, you will be punished. God never created man like this. it was when Adam and Eve sinned we were brought to this point. those killing is because God has sworn to kill any one that came the way of the children of Israel. He said he will bless any body that bless them and curse any body that curse them. It is a bad thing to be an enemy of the children of Israel. Whatsoever God says he fulfill. But when the Lord Jesus Christ came and die for our sin, it brought us into another dispensation. this is the dispensation of grace brought us closer with God. that is why God became gentle like you said.

AntiChristian:
O! Sorry the Lord of New Testament is different from that of old Testament abi?

Yes they are different. And if you can't understand this because of your bias mind, you can at least understand this with the title, old testament and new testament. We don't need to start schooling you on this now

AntiChristian:
So you have not read that verse and others?

Numbers Chapter 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive for themselves.

Now over to you and please don't "off you mic"!

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

Show me a new testament chapter with this type of message

Danhoys:
You can only hope.. But then again, the future generations will know better.
Hate it or not, it's legalization is only a matter of time.
Deal with it!

Legalize in dreams you so. of the devil

AntiChristian:
Because your Lord commanded Moses to kill people and leave virgins for themselves.

Really, to leave Virgins for themselves. Where is it in Bible

Glory to God

lucky1960:
Have you watched comedians crack sexual jokes or jokes filled with lies before on church altar? Also we are know the church is not primarily self entertainment, comedy e.t.c.

People can visit entertainment center for entertainment, comedy. Nothing is wrong with that.
Also i am not preaching the above as doctrine but just an advice.

Sorry for commenting late. You have said the truth. Any Church that the Holy Spirit is not leading, that Church is empty

Truvel:
There Is Nothing Wrong In Dat. I Don't Know Y Africans Especially Nigerians Sees Sin In Almost Everything. There Is Time 4 Everything. Over Spirituality Is What Is Killing Us.

There is absolutely everything wrong with it. Christianity is junk that everything goes. Like the op said, if the Holy Spirit is leading the church, that church is just doing jamboree.

I agree

[quote author= post=92775206]Religion granted you can say is worship but have you thought about the meaning the of religion itself ? It is a way of thinking
and of doing things.. so when you revolt against the way of doings set by a religion you have in essence blasphemed.[/quote]That because you go against the way you must be killed.

kingxsamz:
Just listen to yourself and see if you're making any sense.

Which part am I not making sense. The fact that God has eternal life for you or that I don't fall sick

kingxsamz:
Okay, so God sent his son to die for us, so as to prevent us from the punishment God has already prepared?
Abeg.
Besides, I can't give my life to him. Wtf does he have to offer me? Let me guess, some imaginary kingdom in the sky, where I have to serve and worship his sky daddy for eternity like a robot?
Even those who are serving him here on earth can't even boast of a healthy, comfortable and happy life, instead, they spend their entire day praying and crying to this same sky daddy for help, while he watches and listens to the suffering of innocent folks. enriching the pockets of the so called men of God.
Please no, I don't want. I prefer the Muslim heaven where 72 virgins are already waiting for me. Carry your Jesus elsewhere.

He has eternal life to offer you. something you can not offer yourself.
Those that can't boast of good health comfort and happy life are those that don't know their God. I know the God I serve. I don't fall sick. The only time I feel sick is when I disobey God and immediately I confess and ask for forgiveness, that is it. the sickness disappear. Do you know the first that will happen to you when you give your life to Christ, you experience this joy and peace that you cannot explain. You will be happy. After I gave my life to Christ a lady ask me, don't I have problem, she was referring to the fact that I was always happy and smiling. Ask any true Christian they will tell you. You will always be joyful. Even when things are going well, this joy will still be in your heart that you will be thanking and worshipping God

AntiChristian:
No it is not!

Now answer my last questions!

Really. then why are Boko Haram and other terrorist group killing I the name of allah

AntiChristian:
Where was it documented? Stop saying what you don't know.


You are just repeating thing same thing over again. Have told you that all things happened before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ have died to deliver us from the law. And you have not answer my question. Did the quran really say if you kill for allah you have be given 72 Virgins in heaven. if you don't reply I won't answer you again

Why did your jesus have to come after that many killings in the old testament approved by your Lord?
What become of the virgins in the previous verse?

Answer my question before I answer you. Is it written in your quran that is you kill for allah you will be given 72 Virgins in heaven.