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Cut it out, Shymexx. Stay on topic and do not derail thread by personalising issues. We used to be pals nah. I scolded one guy for his sexist insult, not because I agree with his opponent's opinion. I can express my own opinions clearly!

The issue of Kwarans' affinity for the north politically has always been of interest to me, and I at one time, derided them for it. But age and wisdom dictates that we protect our interest and keep alliances that are beneficial, long-standing and far-reaching. Especially cultural ones.

I have never been one to give an inch. Every parcel of land and every population census must be guarded jealously.

I can never support throwing a part of Yorubaland, or any land, away.

but Kwarans are not part of the Yoruba region now, are they? Kwara is a conquered territory now and except you are willing to shed your blood to break it away, it would forever remain so. The only people who can determine where they belong are the indigenes of that area itself. As it stands now, it not only belongs to the Yorubas but the Hausas too and the mixed Yoruba/Fulanis are saying they want the status quo to remain.

Who are you to tell them otherwise?

isale_gan2: There's no need for your sexist misogynistic utterances. Thanks.



Kwara is bigger than Ilorin; We cannot throw away an entire state because Ilorin is ruled by an "Emir."

Saraki is not Kwara. Their time will end sooner rather than later.

And it is terribly unfair to dismiss Yorubas or any group of people simply for their way of dressing.

https://bearandflower.us/Pictures/NigerianDress.jpg
This is an authentic Yoruba way of dressing.

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This is how most Nigerians go about their daily lives now - dressed in stifling suits and ties.

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This is similar to the way many Kwarans dress.

So, which group of people are less Yoruba? Which ones are not Yoruba enough to take to Oodua Republic Kingdom?

Huh, Desola? I know you'll call me Ibo now. Anyway, I'm not fighting with you. I'm just making a point.



Fanatical in what way? Because they practice their religion? Nonsense religious bigotry.

Omo Nna!

My position isn't solely based on Kwarans mode of dressing. I have conversed with a number of 'Yoruba' Kwarans, both online and off it and the view I get is that in as much as they can trace their origin to Ife and perhaps speak better Yoruba than myself, they seem not to be able to divorce themselves from the Fulani/Hausa culture. They are torn, so to say. Okay if we are to disregard the mode of dressing, how about religion? How about political allegiance? This culture of going to the emir's palace for Salah meal is not prevalent in the Yoruba culture, neither do we follow our leaders sheepishly like they do. You want us to disregard Saraki's declaration of being Fulani, yet these same 'Yoruba' Kwarans hold the Saraki family in high esteem and would do the family's bidding as directed. Yorubas hold their obas in high esteem. Nevertheless, they are also quick to criticize and voice out against nepotism, inequality, unfairness and injustice. We respect our leaders but do not worship them. This I cannot say about Kwarans.

We cannot fight to save those who do not see themselves as being in captivity. They are fine just the way things are, at least it appears so. They are torn and something tells me that if push comes to shove, (given that muslims and I mean staunch muslims which most Kwarans are pledge allegiance to their faith before their ethnicity) they would go with the devil they know. It is hoped that it would be easier for them that way.

0monnakoda: You are infuriated. Am I supposed to shun food, rent my clothes and cover my head with ashes or
am I supposed to feel suicidal .

None of the above. I needed to express my disappointment, that's all. You don't have to do anything about it.

0monnakoda: Whichever or whatever opinions we hold we should strive to subject them to the rigour of logical scrutiny. I am not verse or opposed to the modern idea of "Yorubaness" per se. But we need to understand the truth it is a Nigerian creation. It does have much utility going forward and it is difficult to envision a realistic alternative. However most so called Yoruba champions have no clue what it means to be Yoruba. In terms of liguistic tradition. The Kwara are probably "truer" to "Yoruba" traditions whether it be linguistic or other matters

I have found your posts infuriating especially your position on 'Yoruba' nationalism being an artificial creation - a consequence of the creation of the country Nigeria. Very warped and demeaning!

But then again, the beauty of a debate is that all sides get to air their opinions and have it received by opposing side in a civil and matured manner. I really wish to have the kind of patience and forthrightness employed by Katsumoto in trying to enlighten you.

I found your views disrespectful but they are yours. So I must respect that.

papparatzzi2013: 80% of ilorin people are Yorubas and 80% of kwarans are Yorubas. You can as well guess where their votes will go to.

Being Yoruba is holistic. You can't take one and leave the other. The only thing this so called Yorubas in Kwara have with mainstream Yoruba is the language. Other than that, they are more or less Fulani.

Orlando Owoh: This is not supposed to be. We must not create separation among ourselves. The boundary that separates the SW from the NC was not created by the Yoruba but by Richard in 1946. Must we allow this artificial boundary to separate us.

True, however, it is up to the inhabitants of the area to show discontent about the outcome of the injustice. If they request assistance from their Yoruba brothers, then they would definitely get it but as they are unyielding about the status quo, they would continue to wallow in it, i'm afraid.

They have been in that bondage long enough to know that it is not beneficial to them. As it is now, they completely intertwined with the Fulanis and cannot automatically denouce their Fulani lineage in favour of their Yoruba one. They live like Hausas and dress like one. They are religiously fanatical just like the Hausas as opposed to what is opposed in the mainstream Yoruba region.

I suppose the mainstream Yoruba have some blame to bear as well. If they had fought against the injustice early enough, the intermarriage with the Fulanis may have been halted and saved them a lot of heartache. We have left it too late and must now cut our losses and not cry over spilled milk.

ALTRUTH: Desola do u really believe dat I am Afam? Me Afam? I registered on NL in 2010 so how can I b Afam for heaven's sake, I think it's time to report omonnakoda to d mods for all dis rubbish.

There goes your level of inteligence, which dare I say, is none existent.


You must think everyone drinks from the same cup of stup1dity as you.

Anyway, let this beautiful thread continue on its natural plane.

ALTRUTH: Desy gal how are? It's been like forever; so good to have here. So wen will u follow me to Enugu?

No seriously, Afam you have got to stop stalking me! You banned me weeks ago and was quick to cheekily ask for my whereabouts under this moniker as a means to gloat. You are a twisted plonker! Very twisted indeed.

Stay off my course or i'll have no choice but to make a frank complaint about you to Oam4j and the supermods.

Story! Itan abalaye!

Jonathan himself is corruption personified. Why would he want to remove a self portrait?

Nonsense!

Where is that Yorusa boy called Jarus when you need him and where is Olawalebabs?

Anyway, why is Yoruba clamoring for lost souls and so desperate to have stooges in their midst? The Yorubas in Kwara have paved their path and from all indications, they would rather be Fulanis. Their mode of dressing tells it all and when you have the Sarakis; despite bearing Yoruba names; tell you that they are Fulanis, then you know to just let them be.

Identity is not by language alone. Yoruba should not bother about bringing Kwara into its fold. If Kwarans want to be Yorubas, they would be more vocal about it. However, for as long as they still go to the Emir's palace with bowls begging for food like almajiris, they can sod off! They have lost all dignity which comes with being Yoruba and are not worthy to be referred to as one. No core Yoruba should fight for those confused lot.

It is bad enough that their history stems from betrayal, let alone having people who speak Yoruba but act Hausa/Fulani ala almajiri style. Nah...let them be. Wash your hands off them!

Odindin Tinubu ni hippopotamus yen pe ni ignorant?

Eranko tan n pe ni oku igbe yi ma baje ke!

location: Abe igi orombo...

Leward: What are you all saying, most of you are displaying a higher level of ignorance than sincere9girian, Esu? He is supposed to be the most powerfull and most wicked god among the lesser gods and you want us to revive him? His sacrifises are primitive and expensive(in terms of palm oil, chickens and so on, i think sometimes humans are need if he has been vexed), i didnt get these facts from films, these are what i was taught so no ajebutter born and bred in the city should open his smelly ignoramus mouth to say what he doesn't know,the worship of Esu is characterised with fear, ask any yoruba professor you knw especially those in UI. Btw BH and Esu, BH is better, atleast the death is less painful and humiliating

Esu laalu ogiri oko....

ifa sikinsikin...
ifa mo loro kan...

Indeed, I do believe that the SW and Northern Nigeria are weakened militarily.


Has the SW ever really had military might?

Either way the cookie crumbles, it would be for the benefit of the Yorubas so long the division is peaceful and the Yorubas do not mount any opposition to the division.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPZ14PKknho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFFYwklEZHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-upCaYhhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=movDOekIiqU

Ifa olokun asoro dayo.

when I become a mod, I will ban seun himself.

I no send! I no dey look face o.