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Jarus: More seriously, I think from the general feelings, majority of my Kwara South (Yoruba) people don't hold my view. They almost all gladly prefer being in the West. So, if referendum was done, you can be sure Kwara South people will want to be part of SW, where our Yoruba kinsmen are. But me, I'm indifferent. This view remains unchanged.

As for Kwara North (Nupe etc), they have more affinity with the North, and would fit more into the North.

For Kwara Central (Ilorin), that is where teh major confusion is. I don't like to delve much into Ilorin history although some contributors here have touched on it, but from my readings, what is convincing to me is that, Ilorin was a Yoruba city overrun by Fulani, so now ruled by Fulani.

From my interactions with Ilorin, some claim to be Yoruba, some Hausa. My wife is from Ilorin and claims Fulani; I have met many Ilorin people (especially females) that go furious when called Yoruba. I have equally met many people from same Ilorin that claim Yoruba and will smack you if you address them as Fulani. Oyb of NL here is one of them. So their identity is just confusing.

Ni kukuru sha, you guys are twisted fuqs!

Fulani has not only messed with your DNA, but gone far to mess with your brains!

Any reason why we're still deliberating over this matter?

The people we are fighting for saybdem go die with Aboki o.

jahrule: I am from Kwara state and i have been following this thread from page one, i think you people need to correct a notion which thinking all Kwarans are Ilorin. Everything that has been discussed here are purely Ilorin`s problem and not Kwara as a whole. When go outside Ilorin in Kwara state go and call anybody Fulani and get your Head cut off your Neck. There have been some agitation for creation of states in Kwara state just in order for other people to be able to join their kinsmen in south west like Offa agitating for creation of Ibolo state, Igbomina whose population is the highest also agitating for state.Above all, even Ilorin stance in my opinion is mainly for political and religion reasons if eventuality happens They will join Yoruba for sure. If you doubt me, check the population of people in OPC i mean Odua People Congress, [b]The Agberos in Lagos are also mostly of Kwara extraction. This two miscrants groups are dominated by Ibadan and Kwar[/b]a and mostly Ilorin Kwara. so don`t confuse religion and political sentiment as reality on ground.

I noticed that too. Awon ara ilu oke.

tpia@:
I dont know any part of yorubaland which interacts with igbos and actually loves them, more than the ijebus.

They have a unique bond.

Your own Ijebu or my own Ijebu?

Excuse me inform you that you are full of tripe! Yes ke!

tpia@:
Even our igbo brothers wey no dey date yoruba, no go mind am if they're asked

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And you've surveyed all igbos? OP!

https://www.nairaland.com/1324768/not-sex-symbol-tiwa-savage/2#16250567

tpia@:
I dont know any part of yorubaland which interacts with igbos and actually loves them, more than the ijebus.

They have a unique bond.

Your own Ijebu or my own Ijebu?

Jarus: I'm Yoruba and very proud of it and that can never change. For now, I'm also a northerner, where Kwara is classified, officially Desola, oya go hit your head against olumo rock

Now, in case of separation, where do I wish to be? Let me consult

_{*****Desola, better come and bribe me **********}

You are a Hausa man with Yoruba origin.

Nothing wrong with that. Wish you all the best being Arewa.

Dudu_Negro: .....even if we bring Alfa Jarus to dobale and pledge allegiance to Alaafin?

Aboki?

Lailai!

Stupid assertions pulled out of the sh1thole abound on this thread.

tpia@:
igbos marry ijebus more than any other yoruba subgroup.

Won tun gbe tutun de, oyinmomo.

icekid-jten:
young lady,watch ur words.u dont hv to cal him/her mad dog to make ur point

Trust me, he is one and he knows it.

Moreover, who are you referring to?

Why is this man not my husband, ehn?

He always knows how to mu mi wale.

But this time, I have to lovingly disagree with you, otunba.

Dudu_Negro: Desola,

The political stalwarts in Ilorin, under military regimes, enjoyed enormous patronization from up North. The privilege of aristocratic power got them intoxicated into thinking they were Fulani more than they were Yoruba.

In Nigeria, the seat of democratic power has always been West and will always be. We should not crucify our brothers in Kwara, in fact......this is one of our footprints in the Sudan belt. Politically in the culture and history of West Africa this is an important element to cherish and conserve. We must not loose it.

The bad elements of Kwara are few....the citizens themselves never forgot where home was or who their progenitor was. If it wasnt for Afonja, Fulani is below the standards of Ilorin, politically, culturally and economically.

Quorra, as it was known and called in the Sudan belt was a seat of scholarship and fame on same standard with Timbuktu. The dynstic rulers of Mali were reported to have likely been extracts from the Quorra region and of both Yoruba and Bariba origins.

We must bring our Quorra back to the political prominence in West African politics.

We can do it.

Ibadi aran, s'ogbo?

A futile effort in creating a wedge that is non existent in the western region.

Yoruba posters, take the bait at your own peril.

As for me, I fart all over this balderdash. It is after all rubbish, fit for the tip or latrine.

SLIDE waxie: u are nothing but a female-musiwa!
Very erratic, senseless and just spewing nonsense on all thread!

i see no sense in any thread u open except the usual chest-beating analysis that are only possible in the dream!

If only u and ur 'insider' were clearly informed, u will knw u are being sold!

Is that mad dog a female now?

Since when?

Dudu_Negro: Kwara is over 80% Yoruba. The rest is shared between Borgus in Bussa, Kiawah and then Nupes.

If they are so strong numerically, what were they doing when the oligarchs imposed the arewa coat of arms on them?

We need to stop being so sentimental about a group that pay us lip service but act the other way.

OAM4J: The original title of the thread suggests an ethnic discussion rather than making a case for Kwara in the event of the proposed National Conference taking place.

I have modified the title of the thread to reflect the true discourse of the thread and now moved it back to Politics Section.

Please lets focus as much as possible on making a case for Kwara State.

Cheers.

Why must we make a case for them and not against them?

Are they collectively making a case for Yoruba!

Don't dictate the tone of the thread, please. It is not in your capacity to do so. There are always two sides or even three to a debate!

Trifling somebody!

Gbam!

hillsate: Hey, focus on the topic. There is no propaganda here.
Has it ever bothered you why Jonathan chose these three women to handle the cash wielding ministries? They are his treasurers of stolen money. Diezani's acts are well known, Oduah has now entered the scene. Okonjo-Iwela is about to make a grand entry because unfortunately she has been compromised. Where has all the energy she came with gone to?
The truth is AS LONG AS THE HEAD IS CORRUPT ITS ONLY ABOUT A MATTER OF TIME IT SPREADS TO THE WHOLE BODY.
This is Nigeria's dilemma.

Evidence that they have already accepted their fate,

https://www.nairaland.com/951834/behold-kwara-states-logo-criticize

See them hailing their Fulani leader.

https://www.nairaland.com/669191/happy-birthday-political-colossus-78#8337314

greatdonmikel: Ko to be e

Google is your friend.

greatdonmikel: I can't imagine myself, David and Theophilus Bamigboye, Bishop Oyedepo, Rev George Adegboye, Rev Sam Adeyemi, Mustapha Akanbi, the Lawals, Adisas, Idiagbons, POA Olorunisola (SAN), Profs Kolawole, Lagbaja, Pasuma, Saidi Balogun, Tony Tetuila, Oga Bello and family, Kunle Afolayan n family, Ray family, Yinka Quadri, Pa James of papa ajasco, Madam Saje.... etc in Arewa zone or republic should Nigeria disintergrates...

Didn't Tunde Idiagbon himself claim to be Fulani?

SLIDE waxie: Obi of onitcha ko, jaja of opobo ni?

These people can overrate themselves sha!

Lol

0monnakoda: I think they'd make a good couple

Since you both relish sniffing each other's backside, I think you would do well to make the obvious attraction official. After all gay marriage has been legalised in some parts of the world.

lertee: I see,let's assume there is yoruba or oodua republic,who then rules or which state becomes the headquater?

Tell me, was Lagos made capital of Nigeria because it had the largest population of Nigerians at the time?

YOur arguments are stale.

Dudu_Negro: Alhaji and Desola, hello to you both........long time no see.

Agba Akin!

Nairaland Iroko. I full ground for you o.

Katsumoto: You should stop calling them a minority in the West. You don't need a census to know that there is no group with a majority in the West, so all groups individually are minorities. Don't create a schism where none exists.

valid point!

There is no one Yoruba group that can claim majority. We are all minorities and collectively, we become a majority, we become Yoruba, Omo Oodua.

shymexx: I'll like to put this out there.

Why's no one talking about the Itsekiri's? I know a little about them and I know there are a few Yoruba communities there who are semi-autonomous from the Olu of Warri and they still maintain their Ijebu Ode ancestry.

That's a better frontier than Ilorin, IMO. Ugborodo for example has the largest gas deposit in Delta state. They're semi-autonomous from the Olu of Warri and they still maintain their Ijebu/Yoruba ancestry.

Have you ever met an Itsekiri that claimed to be Yoruba before? I think you would more than likely find one that traces his ancestry to Benin than Ijebu. Moreover, how do you plan on drawing that map?

Abeg, let sleeping dogs lie. At least some Kwarans claim Yoruba ancestry but Itsekiris? Very far fetched.

Olugbenger: It still baffles me why jarus had to view this thread and leave without making a post.
i'm not sure of what this says about those from kwara.

Jarus recognises his Yoruba roots and has mentioned in the past that he believes strongly that he is Yoruba (if memory serves me right). However, he is very proud of his Northern connection too and places the likes of Sanusi and Sarakis on a pedestal so I suppose that should tell you of his inclination.

Olawalebabs, another Kwaran, actually opened a thread to congratulate the late Olusola Saraki on his birthday and sang his praises to high heavens. That to me is another evidence of Yoruba Kwarans love for the Fulanis.

papparatzzi2013: @ Katz

I am not an hardened fan of them being part of Yorubas but I strongly think they will lose more by going northwards. They will not be of any use to the north numerically again and they are just going to be one of those lesser tribes. Fine they might be bound to the north as a result of religion affiliation.

...but why is it up to you or me to make that decision for them? Except you are a Kwaran yourself or a stakeholder, I see no reason why their destiny should cause you to worry. Will having Kwara in Yorubaland be of any advantage? In my opinion, it will be a burden. They are too fanatical about religion and would always carry a torch for the Fulanis. They could be saboteurs for the Yorubas. Let's drop the sentiments and face reality. If they do however decide to belong to Yorubaland, they cannot be stopped because it is their ancestral right but fighting to have them join us is a suicide mission in my opinion. They would make us sleep with one eye open.

papparatzzi2013: Desola you are mixing things up. Don't equate ilorin people with kwarans. Not all kwarans are gullible to the sarakis. The offa and omu Aran axis are not.

Well, their voice is not loud enough and is currently being drowned by the almajiri Kwarans.

Afam, if you can call me ignorant and make that statement stand, then you have no moral ground in removing my comment in which I said to you that I do not indulge stup1d people, which to me, you are (no offence.).

isale_gan2:



I get your point. BTW, I am neither Igbo nor Kwaran. And I am no Saraki supporter. Far from it.

So you will dismiss all Kwarans because the corrupt Sarakis somehow cheat their way into power. That's like saying you hate all Nigerians, especially Yorubas because the corrupt Obasanjo was Head of State multiple times. Or that all Nigerians are retarded because GEJ is president.

My dear, the question you should ask yourself is: Do majority of Kwarans see the Saraki family as corrupt? In so far as Kwarans hail the Saraki family who have imposed itself the defacto ruler of the Kwarans, Kwarans would continue to align with the north.

If you are bent on the course of not ceding kwara to the north, then you need to start a reorientation programe in Kwara to relieve them of the Saraki brainwash. They need to be unshackled from the Saraki slavery chains before they can think of charting their own destiny.