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Theflint1:
I think you should be checking from page 143, cause it seems the document first reviewed previous salary structures, and it led up to what the new salary structure was to be. .

And according to the document you posted, a CMD which I guess would be at least grade level 13 was earning at least 2.7M (basic), and up to 5.1M (basic)...and this was around 2011.

You're going back and forth. You mention 2006 - 2007. I checked that period then you mentioned for 2011.

Focus on the time period in view. Then convert the salaries to dollar.

Also, factor in expenses from annual salaries. They have families, right?

Even if you jump to 2011.
Dollar to naira was $1 to #165.

CMD basic salary was #2.3 million like you mentioned annually. That's #191,666 per month as CMD salary.

#191,666 is $1,161 per month. It was way lower in 2007, remember? But $1,161 per month as salary for a CMD.

Which is $13, 939 per annum 2011. (Again in 2006 -2007, it was way less).

So, from $13,939 he could pay all his bills and train his children aboard?

If you add allowances, the total accrued allows for a CMD in 2011 is stated in the PDF?

So how could he have afforded such?

How much as tuition, travel, upkeep, visa and the likes for his kids, in say UK/US? From his $13,939 annual salary? After deductions for upkeep and sundry bills?

LOL. We know the truth, man.

Citing the document then, I had taken time to go through the whole PDF. Even looking at it on PC now so I can zoom in.

Theflint1:
Afrodoc2, Kingtom

Abeg how much medical grads doing housmanship dey earn around those 2006/2008 time (doctors, pharmacists, and medical lab scientists).

Find it here: https://nsiwc.gov.ng/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/CONHESS-CONMESS-1998-2014.pdf. For 2007, go to page 80.
This is the Consolidated Medical Salary Structure (CONMESS) 1998 - 2014.

Did you know the meal allowance for Levels 15 to 17 was #10,800 PER ANNUM in 2007? You'd find this on page 82. PER FREAKING ANNUM!

And I bet many state governments were paying less. Actually, they were.

Why do you think NMA and JOHESU use to always go on strike, even then, complaining about non-commensurate pay? You think they were SUG boys showing off on campus?

I should know, as the son of a Doctor. I have mentioned it here several times.

I did similar analyses when this came up in May, but you guys were bent on believing what you wanted, even when I kept posting links and screenshots.

Why do you think Doctors kept campaigning to be able to do private practice even as civil servants?

Doctors were never paid as much as they deserved, even then - not as much as the public assumed they earned.

The CMDs who were training multiple children in the West knew what they were up to.

Theflint1:
Today it might be difficult for most CMDs to do that, but around those 2006 Dem, which was one of the examples given, it was common to see fresh medical grass doing housmanship getting like 150K per month, and this came to around $1,000.

I'm sure your CMD from that era would have been taking like 500K per month (plus allowances) that's around $3,000, his two months salary would comfortably pay for a semesters tuition, plus small upkeep money for a child in the UK, or other European countries.

So that people could take their kids abroad less than two decades ago isn't automatically sign that they were corrupt or stealing from the government...these things were a lot easier to manage then.

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Minimum wage in 2006 was #5,500 per month.

Dollar to naira in 2006 was $1 to #132.

Minimum wage in 2006 was (#5,500 ÷ #132) = $41.66.

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Minimum wage in 2025 is #70,000 a month.

Dollar to naira in 2025 averages $1 to #1,500.

Minimum wage in 2006 was (#70,000 ÷ #1,500) = $46.66.

The average civil servant earns more in 2025 in dollar than they earned in 2006.

Because inflation was lower then, he might have survived better in Nigeria; but in forex, he couldn't have competed based on his salary. So how did be train his children abroad?

Another analysis I did in the WhatsApp group which caused the uneasiness. The man who also backed me up is the State Chairman of the State Civil Societies Organisation.

Man, these guys have been corrupt since forever.

But I dropped the issue though then in there. No need to needlessly put a mark on me when I've already made my point.

TemporaryHansel:
Even if they earn 20m annually, the best they should realistically afford is admission into the very lowest-tier universities in the West, and that’s being generous. Yet we both know that’s not what’s happening in reality.

Honestly, I agree with Diss.troy. Any civil servant earning 10 - 20m a year and comfortably sending their children abroad for schooling is almost certainly corrupt. Even if we factor in side businesses, no CMD would be able to sustain that without dipping into corrupt practices.

We were debating the issue this morning in a WhatsApp group. Many government appointees and high-ranking civil servants in the group amongst others.

I uploaded the same salary sheet I had uploaded here. I could almost touch the uneasiness with how thick and hanging in the air it was as some stopped commenting. Some who many know have acquired properties way beyond even triple their annual earnings this year alone.

Immediately someone posted something funnily controversial about Trump, they latched on. "This ràcist guy, blah blah blah" to deflect. I got the message.

Someone close from the group messaged me privately like, "[Disstrøy], you see your people?"

The Faruk case will be dropped. Too many civil servants will be taken down if that case is investigated and a precedence set with it.

That's why they are blackmailing Dangote all over social media, and calling him fighting too dirty.

Theflint1:
Your point was CMDs don't earn above 10M per year. According to Dangote, Mr Farouk was spending over 300M on school fees for his children yearly.

Two very different conversations IMHO.

Yes, you're making my point. When I stated CMDs don't make up to #15 million, folks on this same thread claimed I was "capping", nevermind that I kept uploading proof.

Their defence was, "I know a man who trained all his children abroad in the same position or similar, and there's no way that's his salary."

Remember what brought about the argument ? Me stating #15 million is a luxury for people that high. That any of them driving a car worth that amount is certainly not being open with the full details.

Even in State Civil Service Commissions, there are workers whose full salaries are #300,000 driving cars of #10 million.

A Police Inspector's salary just got raised to #250,000 last year, but you have Police Inspectors driving #12 million cars.

Before the Faruk case, if Disstrøy had pointed it out, even with salary sheet upload, he'd been be dismissed as "just capping".

Most public officer holders are crooks. Where do you think all the kickbacks from hospital equipments and upgrades go?

It's the same conversation I was making. I quoted my comment from May so anyone can track how that went - it was only me reiterating these points while they rest were upvoting takes based on "I know a guy who".

Facts are facts, even when most people don't momentarily agree. It's why I like to post links to credible sources when debating these things.

Myrrhis:
Any woman who can do those for a man on the first day she meets him has no self-worth.

You'll be surprised at what the most sanctimonious of women have done without you knowing.

As a rule, the more a woman makes a showing of her piousness and prudishness, the more I know she's a frèak in the shadows.

Make that prudish girl comfortable, and she'll tell you sordid tales of her sexual escapades.

DissTroy:
I hope the bot doesn't hide this.

Public service salary structure in Nigeria, 2025:
https://geniusbrain.ng/post/federal-government-salary-scale-monthly-net-salaries-of-ministries-departments-agencies-in-nigeria/ .

This is public. Now imagine CMDs for private hospitals. Are these people not high up the societal ladder? Yet #15 million is not something they would cough up easily.

You can keep pretending to be Nairaland Dangotes.

This was the start or middle of it.

We all knew those living above their stated incomes were corrupt in many ways but what are facts to a fleeting gotcha! moment?

If Dangote hadn't expose Mr. Faruk, he'd have been exemplified as how people in his position earn millions of dollars.

We easily explain away unexplainable show of wealth. Or excuse it.

Mr. Faruk is a scapegoat. What about that Deacon in your church?

Remember months ago on this thread when we were debating incomes related to how CMDs and Permanent Secretaries' annual salaries aren't up to #15 million and some people were stating I am wrong because they know of Mr. A and Dr. Zee who are training their children abroad?

Faruk is an example of how they can afford such things.

That Perm. Sec. living large is a crook. And if your relatives are doing same, just know they are crooks too.

donsheddy1:
Just do yours, leave the lectures. I too know wan finish una for this country.

I'm not interested in the competition. Experienced people know promoting a single HTML game with Claude AI is elementary and what beginners should be trying out, not a challenge pushed by the owner of Africa's biggest forum.

AirBere:
It's not so easy but I wish you luck 🤞

It is. I'm surprised Seun is mentioning Gemini. Most techies don't know Claude AI is a better coding assistant and has its own IDE, even on the mobile app.
Claude AI handles React, Node.js and Three.js very well and all in a single code repository. Better than Copilot even.

Seun 3D games are elementary. A challenge to solve a real world issue like the Lagos Angel Investment Network does or Y Combinator is better.

personal59:
Ah ah, all just to make Africa look worst, Ordinary economy output of Africa yearly is over $3trillion so what are you saying.

Tomorrow you will ask why those people don't respect you and others when you don't respect yourself as you lack adequate information bout things you talk about.

Knowledge is power they say but they miss the aspect saying information is key, chairman seek knowledge and study well to be well informed

Nothing turns on most Nigerians than self-humiliation. Nobody enjoys putting Nigeria (and Africa) down like Nigerians.

Wherever 5 or more people are gathered shaming Nigeria, a Nigerian is leading the line.

If you're terminally ill today, you can't cough up #15 million for a surgery. You know you can't. But you are here rubbing shoulders, hiding under supposed anonymity to claim #15 million isn't luxurious.

Isn't the false sense of wealth funny?

My worst fear is you searching me out this minute and not finding my name, details and phone number in one fell swoop. I would panic because my whole play is being easily found. I do not need to pretend.

I'm a remote Web developer and Brand visuals designer. I earn also in foreign currency but I do not need to lie.

I can afford comfort and contented so I do not need to measure my value by claiming to folks on the internet I can cough up #15 million easily for a car (not a house or land but a car) and not feel a dent.

You are on different threads begging for a path to study African history or "some bûllshît" (in your own words) in South Africa or any African country just to run out of Nigeria, but you are trying to impress people to what end?

The male Saida Boj obviously.

We've seen your type a thousand times. Diss-Troy does not need to live multiple lives. There's a reason most of you dread being found off Nairaland. I don't.

I must have missed the quip by the 360 about being given a car by the government. Believe what you will, but I wasn't raised to håte.

I'm more about governance than politics.

If you saw anything good about Tinubu's appointees e.g Ministers, you've been bought over.

If you saw anything good about Trump or anything he has done, you're a White Supremacist.

I challenged some of you on this thread last year or so to name 3 good things Buhari did as President, you couldn't.

When you move in hàte, you see nothing good about those you despise.

Brash and uncouth as Wike is, he's still the better-performing Minister of the FCT in decades. But hàtred means even when you see the result daily, you'll never acknowledge it.

But the world isn't black or white - everything mostly functions in the gray area.

Even Obi once praised something Tinubu did (while still criticizing him) but he was turned on. https://gazettengr.com/obi-praises-tinubus-entourage-cut-demands-60-governance-cost-reduction/ The man has stopped since then so he doesn't lose his support base.

Move in hàtred and énvy as much as you want, I see beyond those. I'm still not a partyman or align with any party. If you do good, I'll point it out; the opposite, and I'll do same. Your party flag means jack to me.

If only you were smart enough to realize there are only two sides - those with access to power who fashion it to their advantages and those who don't.

liveLongNprospa:
How has bosun performed?
What's the totality of his duties (especially his ministry) and how has he hit the expected targets?

What exactly did you expect Bosun Tijani to do that he hasn't done yet? Make a list.

When he came onboard, the first thing he did was create and democratize access to custom tech MOOCs and training centers.

Secondly, he was the first to create access for government-backed VC funds.

I could go on and on. Bosun isn't perfect but he's certainly a top 5 minister of the Tinubu government.

Again, what do you expect of Bosun that he hasn't done in his role as Minister?

The only one I'll fault him for is the non-implementation of I-DICE in its original model which I kept pointing to Larride would be derailed since 2022.

Joseph1832, you see why I have no respect for religious women who are always hooked to every word their pastor say? They are easily manipulated. They are the easiest to sleep with if you speak in tongues.

An overly religious woman is gûllible. I've known so many firebrand choristers who got banged by their pastors...in the same church.

I caught one a few years ago from her chat who was acting all holy and as God's daughter only to find out her pastor took her to a hotel to have sex.

Hålfwit harping about "multidimensional poverty" to deflect. Who on God's green earth is having that conversation with you?

You are envious. I set out to unravel you as such then dug up posts which fueled your motive.

Whe we see a woman pointing out the big butts and boobs of other women during arguments then we find out that same woman has been lamenting over the years about wanting to have a BBL and breast enlargement procedure, it's proof for why she deflects to point out the physical attributes of those women she criticizes, even when the issues have nothing to do with their butts.

Next time you bring up "abroadians", people know your reasons.

Case made. Point proven. 🙂

It obviously didn't workout and with resentment, he belts out "abroadians" daily even when the debate is about some random issue at Ikeja or Eleme.

Now we know where the envy comes from. He hates that he resides in Nigeria like millions of people. And, abroad, including in Xenophobiaville just to be "abroad".

Spy360:
Please don't mind my Nigeria people. I want to do a PhD in SA. What are the basic requirements and send me a link. Thanks.

Spy360:
I studied Synthetic Organic Chemistry. But then the course of study is not a priority. I could do African Language studies or any bullshit. My focus is a route out.

Spy360:
Keep twerking for Raumdeuter. A loyal unjealous dog

I could easily predict your response. What's the next thing you'll posit, that I'll inbox him for money? That isn't happening nor has it ever happened on any platform with anybody.

The most important thing is you have been unraveled as the Cain that you are. You bludgeon your brother because you think the sun shines brighter on him.

At least anyone within your vicinity on this thread knows to cover their drinks and food before you pøison them.

Envioûs, sadistiç thing.

You are the démon to sétup people you envy to gët kidnapped. We read stories like yours daily.

Spy360:
You're right.

It's just that boy that said home based are jealous of abroadians that's why they oppose their opinions on government.

You are dead-brained. You are envious else you won't keep yelling "abroadians" like DonJazet trying to invalidate the opinions of others because of their location.

We all know women who spite other women considered attractive by society are actually closet envious folks who want the looks of those women they spite.

If being outside of Nigeria wasn't your El Dorado, you won't point it out every time there's a completely unrelated issue being debated/argued.

Ellexy:
Nihilist seems to be the demon you can't exorcise, very powerful he haunts you night and day. You see him practically in any thing that clashes with your beliefs, he's always in the shadows plotting, creating alternate monikers just to mock you and get under your skin. He enjoys tormenting you by playing hide and seek with different monikers and watching you try to unmask those monikers.

It's very accurate to say he lives rent free in your subconscious, a place you’ve turned into his comfort zone simply by the attention you keep feeding it. Ironically, starving him of that attention might make him disappear but your ability to see him in the shadows is just too strong.

To an outside observer like me, it’s a fascinating, almost tragic spectacle to behold every time.

Now this reminds me of those days of spoken word poetry.

The pauses, the gestures, the strung phrases building to a crescendo, and the words tapering off while the ladies in the audience ooh and ahh so you quickly scan to see which one was most impressed.

princeabdul:
never rated him, na suegbe

Bosun Tijani? Suegbe? That's a top 5 performing Minister in this government.

That you call Bosun a "suegbe" is proof you're not active in and follow what happens in that space.

Maybe I am biased towards him because he's the only Minister who has so far kept his head low to do his job, interacts with regulars on X to give updates and answer questions, and is always respectful while being innovative.

He lied this time, we agree. Bosun can sure trace all those calls and messages but if his principal Tinubu isn't willing enough to act and our CDS, COAS, and Ministers of Defence are always fingered to be sympathetic to terrorists, I don't think there's really anything Bosun can do. And he sure wouldn't throw his colleagues under the bus when the world is watching.

But has Bosun performed in his role as Minister? Blueraydick, he has.

Bimmarlykay:
I think you're digressing and interjecting some tags,making it seem like they're just attacking the abroadians due to envy or something.

Oasix and Glorious G gets dragged too.

There are 20 women. All have different opinions. They have different stands on feminism, patriarchy and the likes.

Team F and Team P.

Team P has 8 supporters. 4 are a very beautiful. Team P is pro-Patriachy.

They fight and argue. But whenever those 4 beautiful members of Team P make a case for Team P, some members of Team F go, "I don't blame you. You have big butts, breasts, and pretty faces so you don't know the struggles of the everyday woman. All your commonsense have been stored in your big butts and breasts, with those your large hips."

Pray tell, how do their body structures and facial aesthetics relate to the debates about feminism?

So because they are curvier than others, they should be deprived of the right to debate issues concerning womanhood?

On X, why is that feminists seem to attack the married females of Patriarchy FC more than the single ones? The answer is obvious. If you say resentment laced with envy then you're not wrong.

Why not focus on punching holes in the arguments of those curvy members of Team P instead of pointing out their looks every time to gaslight or deflect?

Soon enough it becomes obvious why these curvier women of Team P are always singled out while the less curvy members of Team P sometimes get a pass.

Arguments/debates have to be issue-based.

It beholds on me to point out the flaws of such discriminatory takes because if I were a pro-BAT poster, I'd have been gaslighted as just "defending his fellow agbadorians". You know this would have been the line used to counter me.

I have always been rational.

I have always insisted comfort is comfort and wealth is relative.

I have always been against entitlement or attacking people because they seem in a better clime or financial place.

I have always pointed out contentment being key. You wouldn't ignore the issue to ALWAYS attack the geolocation of someone outside Nigeria if you were contended with what you have.

What you feel is resentment. It's the same resentment Communists have for those who are (seemingly) on a better economic pedestal.

If you say people who don't reside in Nigeria shouldn't comment about Nigerian politics and should just look on, how come you don't apply the same rules for Roland and one or two other guys here?
Simple: It's because your stated opinions align with Roland's and the other one or two so you give them a pass.

Abroad, Nigeria or on Mars, I do not need to daily single people out for maligning because they live outside or are in a seemingly better advantageous socioeconomic clime.

You are no different from the boys in your village who would be passively aggressive towards you this December when you go home for Christmas, counterig when you're suggesting ideas or holding contrary opinions during the Kindred meeting because, "All these Lagos/Abuja/Port Harcourt/Big city men telling us what to do and having an opinion about what goes on this village. You don't live here so you don't have a right to say anything."

It's passive aggression and envy, and we know what it translates to. You sure would avoid those boys and be wary of them around your drinks and food, wouldn't you?

You're not more Nigerian because you reside in Nigeria. That Akwa United or Enugu Ranger player is not more Nigerian than Victor Osimhen or Williams Troost-Ekong because the later reside in Turkey and Saudi Arabia respectively.

Focus on the issues. Attack their opinions if you disagree with what they posit, insult or troll them for their opinions but stop bringing up "all these Abroadians" every time. It reeks of envy.

Imagine being xenophobic towards your own countrymen. Isn't it ironic?

When most of you scream "abroadians" everyday and want to stiffle the comments of those who live outside of the country, you should realize it screams envy.

You lots are the type who bash Davido daily because he had and has life easier than most Nigerians so diminishes his credibility.

You lots are the ones who attack Cuppy daily because her reality is opulently different from most Nigerians.

You lots are the type uber rich folks are warned about who can't contain their envy.

Reccy and these guys lean toward the same politics. You do not bash Reccy just as much or Gbola because they reside in Nigeria but as soon as someone outside of the country holds the same contrary views, you lace your envy as criticism.

I've stated it a thousand times, wealth is relative but comfort is comfort. If you're in Okokomaiko and comfortable, be contented with it.

I am contented (while still working towards achieving more) so someone who lives in the Burj Khalifa having a contrary opinion to mine shouldn't stoke my envy and cause me to attack his more (or seemingly) advantageous station in life.

There's a reason the super rich avoid most people because most people can't rein in their envy. Envy is a dangerous thing.

So many people return for Christmas overseas and don't make it back to their stations because they have been poisoned.

This constant "all these abroadians" everytime someone makes a comment instead of attacking the issue you don't agree with is laced envy. You know it!

So many of you will not see your "abroadian" uncles and aunties who will prefer to lodge in resorts in Lagos for the Naija experience and you will only find out they were in Nigeria for Christmas by January when they post pictures because they avoided you and had picked up on the hints of envy and resentment from the comments you made chatting with them or on social media.

Only a single bitter woman constantly refers to another woman's marriage. And we all know why.

You don't have to agree with it but you know it is true. 🙂

Spy360:
You know when people are blinded by their own sentiments they begin to yarn nonsense despite their exposure.

Someone is somewhere where government is run effectively. He enjoys steady power, good roads, security, working environment, social amenities, etc and he is defending the rubbish this government is doing and arguing with those who are here.

Imagine talking about 'dividends of democracy' in Nigeria. 😂

You people are illogically emotional.

Taxing treasury bills and wasting our commonwealth are mutually exclusive. Two truths can exist without canceling out each other.

You can campaign for non-taxation on treasury bills and continue the media and legal exposition of the corrupt practices of office holders.

What seems immoral is sometimes legal.

A≠D when A is 5 and D is 9. Two mutually exclusive issues.

Taxing treasury bills ≠ corrupt politicians.

You can whip up sentiments on Facebook with a lot of mindless, uninformed emotional people but in here, logic has to prevail. There are no 100,000 followers to pander to so stay logical at all times.

raumdeuter:
Why opposition get bought so easily shows they lack the spine and belief to start with.

Why didnt they buy Tinubu Buhari Oshiomole when they were in opposition

Maybe you will also agree if Maresca tells you that Pep manipulated him into playing a wrong tactic and made him to lose a game

It's one of the positives of what is going on for me. That hitherto critics are lining up to be bought is a cautionary tale for those who clash at rallies, burn bridges with friends, and char connections which could have been social ladders for them.

Do not go to war, risk your life and potentitals for any politician or 'activist'.

I've seen too many 'saints' get bought out in the last two years, making their erstwhile supporters look stupid.

Bimmarlykay:


Tbat has always been a buy their conscience with money man.

Again, making deals with members of the Opposition to turn them or curry their favour isn't illegal.

In the lead up to the 2024 US Elections, Trump made deals with very high-ranking Democrats to flip. Many of them are serving in Trump's Government today.
Biden made Trump loyalists flip too, including his personal Attorney.

Mentioning Obi was deflective but you complaining Tinubu is buying out the Opposition doesn't stand anywhere. Instead, it should cause us to reflect why almost all hitherto vocal Opposition members and activists who made themselves out to be society's moral beacon are preening themselves to be courted by Tinubu for favours.

What is immoral isn't always illegal.

Then there's Dinachi who makes songs for those who love to get lost in their own head.


1. Dinachi - Song For Dolu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzYAyp03Mws?si=1dC9o0QwThDM5WjJ

2. Dinachi - Lights Go Out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb_xLUH4YHc?si=TCsFEaydHkA52OZm She sounds like a mix of Adele and some exotic artiste whose name should be a crime to forget.


3. Dinachi - Rise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdXcBtrl74I?si=mkBxUMUfjF2yPOWI You can't tell me you can't hear a hint of Sade Adu here.

In a normal world, these are the people who should also be topping charts. Well, in a normal country.

Nonso Amadi. Where do I even begin? The low-key No Bad Songs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZR3HPOj1fg?si=B-FyqGup9qdHUXDr


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWmRxPIRReE?si=lVQ4TwOEYo6NPwaE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIlZhunwkc?si=AH-0EKr7vRa9aeY1

In fact, his whole catalogue.

iamoyindamola:
Wait bez is still singing
Omo been long i come across his songs, stupid song was a hit with praise

He is. He lives in the UK and still does live shows, supported by his lovely wife, the daughter of Oyo State former Governor, living their controversy-free, easygoing life.

You should check out Jeremiah Gyang too who is still performing. ,