itsloba:

Ok.. So are you saying this Council is a catholic council?

oh yes I am. it is only roman catholics that can claim a direct decent from the leadership of Peter and it wasn't till the 11th century, long after the bible was completed did the first split of the Christian church occur.

itsloba:

Oh, Good..and please correct me if im wrong, the Jania council worked on the Hebrew bible (old testerment).

kind of, but the correct term is that they worked on the old testament

itsloba:

Before i read your link, did you know that 280 after the death of Jesus christ, Christainity was banned by the roman empire and the church was greately persecuted?

Oh I know. I was an indebt Catholic before I became Pentecostal. So I know what I am saying. I was even a catechism teacher. So I am not talking from an outsiders point of view.

itsloba:

By saying catholics are you refering to Constantine and the council of nicia?

why don't we start far back with the council of jamnia.
But for better clarity. I think the link below lists the process followed in compiling the bible.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-43/how-we-got-our-bible-christian-history-timeline.html

It is only the roman catholic that can trace a connection to this time and can lay claim to a direct descent from Peter. So as at the time of the first compilation, it was only the roman Catholic church that was in existence

itsloba:

And let me answer one of your questions
The bible was not complied by catholics

Oh sir but it was. I did not say it was written by the Catholic church but compiled together as a book by the Catholic church. You just need to google the history of the bible with your phone.

itsloba:

I've you read some of the supposed books, they include the gospel of judas, gospel of philip to mention a few, most of this writers are imposters. After the accession of Jesus christ, many teachings and writings are available to the people, and most of this writings are undoctrinal and do not conform with the rest of the bible.

Oh I have sir, and while I agree with you that not all of them are good and surely do not conform with the rest of the bible, I can not agree with you that most are undoctrinal. I will still maintain that they are not added because they Wre deemed irrelevant to Christianity.
And the doctrine that is used as a standard was not Christ made, but man made. and it was still the Catholic church that decided the doctrine that was made standard. So at the end of the day, it ultimately was their decision the books that Wre made available in the bible and the ones that where not.

itsloba:

All the questions you've asked i know
But do you know why most of this books are not part of the bible we currently use today?
Again, if we all have the right to recieve new revelations about narratives in the bible(just like our apostle did) then the word of God is not perfect.
According to the history of the jews, the mother of David is not an harlot .

I agree with your last point of view but I my answer to your first question is and always will be because the Catholic church dimmed the other books irrelevant to Christianity

itsloba:

Revelations indeed, the bible is d complete revelation from God to man, it is a closed system, not an open one. That was why paul told the Corinthians not to exceed what is written. What apostle did is just an abuse of Gods word...

My first question to you is, who compiled the bible?
Second question is did you know the bible compilation did not begin with 66 books?
3rd question is do you know the bible was once more than 66 books?
4th question is do you know the Catholic church currently has a 3 by 6 km library of old scrolls they are studying and investigating the source?
5th question is do you know they are over 3 books referenced in the bible that are not part of the bible?
6th question is what happens when those books referenced are discovered? Would you doubt their validity because they where not part of the 66 books you know?
In, what is currently written but not discovered or displayed is much more that the 66 books in the bible.
They are about 4 extra books of revelations, at least 10 extra epistles of Paul. 5 extra accounts of Jesus, over 10 extra prophetic books
As I said earlier, the Catholics compiled the bible, and while they had many verified and unverified scrolls from various writers through the age, they only compiled what they deemed relevant to Christianity.
That is why if you ask a true Catholic the number of books that make up the bible, he will tell you he doesn't know as he understands that there are more written scriptures outside the bible than inside it.

donfemo:
90% of the people who have made comments don't even know what they are saying. Some don't even know what the mother of David is called. Though apostle Suleiman is totally wrong

well read this: http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/280331/jewish/Nitzevet-Mother-of-David.htm

Bro, i know this link quite well, and while I cannot outrightly say it is wrong, I can only say it is outnumbered.
I did a study of the women of the bible over a year ago and while I came across this link, I also came across up to four other links claiming David's mother was a prostitute. I searched for more links to corabborate this story but could not find any.
But I found about five articles saying David's mother was a prostitute.
But still, as I did not read any actually ancient text myself, I can't claim it is wrong, only outnumbered

ismart:
NOT everything is in the bible. The 7 book of moses was removed because of the evil content.

Point of correction, not evil content, just deep Jewish practices that was irrelevant to Christianity

misano:



Just stop please. Going by what Suleman said, David had step brothers and not direct brothers. But reading Psalm 69 -7, David said "I have become a stranger to my brothers , a foreigner to my mother's children." . Take note of this line "MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN" This implies that the woman that gave birth to David also gave birth to David's brothers and not a different woman as explained by Suleman.

Bro, please did Joseph call his other brothers step brothers? Because I don't see any account of that in the bible. The bible recorded that it was his brothers, not step brothers that sold him. And we do know that Rachel had only two sons, Joseph and Benjamin.
Also, when Absalom requested for the presence of his siblings to the meeting he killed Abner, he did not use the word step brothers but brothers.
Also about Jephthah, the bible records he was cast out by his brothers, not step brothers.
so you can see, that the bible does not differentiate between step brothers and brothers.

Jaideyone:
where is it written in the bible? any mor0n can make a website and put anything he wants on it

These are the kind of idiots am talking about. This website is run by a reputable Israeli scholar.
Do you really believe the bible, to be the only source of Jewish history? If you do, then your stupidity is greater than that of Homer Simpson.
In fact the bible is not an accurate source of Jewish history as it was compiled by the catholics in a period when they wanted to showcase Christianity as the One religion.
They refused to put in the core Israelite books as it supported more of Jewish culture and history.
To get a true account of people of the old testament, please go and study proper Jewish literature like the book of Enoch, The Jewish Torah. The life of moses. Chronicles of Israel's king,

0b10010011:
Suleman is psychological unstable. He has been through a lot and just trying hard to focus. Left to him alone, he will abscond out of the country but trying hard to be firm.


I won't judge him by anything he says now. A confused man can say anything.



Am sure the wife went to cool her head in the UK.

The challenge with you people is that you believe the history of the Israelites can only be found in the bible. This is so wrong as the bible actually contains less than 20% of Jewish history.
Go througg isrealite history and you would see that David's mother was actually an harlot.
His father sent him to shepherd the sheep in the bush in hopes that he would be killed by wild animals.
in the Israelite culture, it's not the place of the youngest but the eldest sons to shepherd the father's sheep.
It was because of this shame that Jesse purposely neglected to mention him to Samuel until Samuel insisted he had another son.
Jesse could not believe that the son of an Harlot could be crowned king.

0b10010011:
Suleman is psychological unstable. He has been through a lot and just trying hard to focus. Left to him alone, he will abscond out of the country but trying hard to be firm.


I won't judge him by anything he says now. A confused man can say anything.



Am sure the wife went to cool her head in the UK.

The challenge with you people is that you believe the bible to be the only source of Israelite history. Go read proper Israelite history and you would see that David's mom was actually an harlot.
His father sent him to the bush to guard the sheep in hope that wild animals will kill him.
In Israelite culture, it is the duty of the eldest not youngest son to shepherd the sheep.
It was because of this shame that made him initially remove David's name from the list of sons when the prophet came to him.
He did not believe that the son of an harlot could be king.

ISTANDWITHBUHAR:



Can you imagine dead brain, Pastor Sule deny knowing her in the first place, Later he said he only help her.. Please what kinda help is that.. Nothing concern me with their matter as no pastor will ever fool me or my likes hahha..

yahoo boy pastors everywhere..

ur stupidity level is greater than that of homer Simpson. when did he deny not knowing her. mind u, I am not saying pastor Suleiman cannot be guilty. I am saying the proof should be unreproachable.

ISTANDWITHBUHAR:



Oga i have given people more than that, I have help my male friend more than female self, In Leo mazie he was down with kidney problem so what was the money given to otobo for? What was the business they have together etc..

make I hear say u don give people more than that. Internet can make people form anyhow. anyway I rest my case. if u say u have to have business with someone to be philanthropic, then I can no longer argue with you.

ISTANDWITHBUHAR:



You are the one that should stop being foolish and be reasonable for once, I don't care about the chat message, But what job did she do for Pastor Sule to make him send her #1million? Don't tell me the statement of account is also fake too..

Useless worshiper daddy G.O..

bro, what about the others he gave millions to? y did you not question him giving Leo mazie $60k? Mind u, no one knew he gave Leo that amount until this otobo saga. I also know he has given many others money too. if in your life u still believe that nobody can give people millions without sleeping with them or announcing it then your poverty mentality needs to be broken.

sircrabo:


If u use BBM, check for your 2015 chats. When you scroll up, you won't find earlier messages

then you must have changed your memory card or previously deleted the chat message. Bb will never automatically delete ur chat history. you can email them or call them for confirmation.

sircrabo:


If u use BBM, check for your 2015 chats. When you scroll up, you won't find earlier messages

then you must have changed ur memory card or previously deleted the person's chat. BlackBerry does not automatically delete chats. u can call them or send them a message to confirm

fratermathy:

And I'm saying I've confirmed it just the way she posted it. So?

then let's take the birth, cos no online BlackBerry forum has confirmed it. or if you don't want to meet we can still bet and send a message or call BlackBerry services to confirm our argument

fratermathy:


And you think I'm not a web designer or don't have enough knowledge of phones? I write PHP, C#, Java and ASP!

I'm telling you that BB messages backed on BES server with BBID comes out exactly the way this one did. Those backed up on memory cards or internal storage is a different case entirely.

So stop acting like a guru and accept that your lord and master shined the congo of Otobo!

Brother, let's put our money where our mouth is. take the bet if u are confident. cos I have retrieved messages both from sim cards and bbm backup. and I am telling you you are lying.

fratermathy:


All these ones you are saying is for you and your fellow sheeple.
The BBM messages I retrieved in 2015 looked exactly like the one Otobo released so I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

So Otobo, the "stripper", "marine agent", "BMC and EMC agent", "prostitute", etc, was sent millions repeatedly by the shepherd abi? Just like that? Okay na. Kwantinue!

Since people resemble each other, go and look for the Suleiman look alike and show us because until I see one, that picture remains his!

He never denied anything. He only deflected it. Check what the word means.

Dominusgai, I'll let you believe what you want. You are entitled to your idiocy. It's a fundamental human right after all.

your level of stupidity should not even be possible. but I don't want to argue much. if you are willing to make a bet. let us go to computer village, backup a Bb message, flash the phone and restore the message and see the date it carries.
stop peddling lies u idiot. I was a phone engineer for over three years. now am a web developer. there is no way you retrieve a message from 2015 and it does not carry the date. I am ready to put my money where my mouth is, are u?

sircrabo:



Lol. BBM chats are automatically wiped after a period of time, I wonder how her phone managed to save chats for that long. Unless she screen grabbed it and saved for future use.

bro, bbm chats are never automatically wiped for any reason. it is only wiped when you destroy the sdcard that stores the messages.

ISTANDWITHBUHAR:


God bless you, No mind the OP trying to defend his daddy G.O... Yahoo boy pastors..

Brother, stop being foolish. there is no need screen shooting a chat message for proof when you can wait a day or two and get a date that will not be contested. u no get sense. if na u wan blackmail person in three months, na dat same day when e send message u go snap am. when Beckham was accused of infidelity, all messages posted by the accuser showed the date of creation. you cannot want to show a message and show only time and expect the world to accept it.

ILoveToFuCcK:

You mumu o...
You're using a q10 she's using an IPhone

The bbm of blackberry itself show dates while that of IPhone doesn't show dates

Oya talk another one

brother, you are wrong. the bbm of iPhone does carry date. I had a boss with bbm on her iPhone. the date of the message is shown clearly. also you can goggle it

SenatorAiyzik:
No jokes here ..no sentiments..i believe Otobo 100%. If she has faked all these then the pastor should come our openly like she did and prove otherwise. Stephanie keeps giving us proofs at everytime but johnson has nothing to conflict/contradict these proofs.. fellow Nigerians, if it were to be a court of law johnson would have lost this case and be thrown in jail. Let's remove religious sentiments.. imagine if this was going on between two ordinary persons where no one is a public figure, we would all believe Stephanie.. so why is it different now ...why are we throwing defenses?? Simple..because its suleiman, because we are bringing in religious sentiments.. because some of us are from Omega Fire...haba nairalaaaaand!

bro, the burden of proof is not on the defender but on the accuser. I have no obligation to provide proof against a claim when I see that the proof provided by the accuser would not fly in court.
if you say I committed a crime, it is your job to bring unreproachable proof and so far so good, all the evidence this girl is bringing is highly reproachable.

fratermathy:
Sometimes you should think. Yorubas would say "ronu"!

She returned to Canada, got a new device, logged in with BBID, recovered messages saved on BES and Blackberry Backup. This also explains why the time is in the present.

She released her statement of account showing UBA official stamp. I hope you are aware that UBA can even lock her up immediately for that? Has UBA refuted the said document yet?

As for the BBM chat, there are two timelines here: one is from when they initially started, hence the Canadian network (Fido) showing there. The others are from when things went sour, hence the Etisalat (she was presumably in Nigeria then as her story also confirms).

The FaceTime screenshot she shared has been authenticated already so it's old news but even if it was fake, WHERE DID SHE GET HIS PICTURES FROM? I searched for Su-LAIR-man's pics online and couldn't see any that featured in the FaceTime chats and even these BBM DPs.

Even Su-LAIR-man has not denied any of these claims, he only deflected them. He's busy running from pillar to post doing media control, further making him ridiculous. He should just shut up and go to the sidelines if he doesn't want to confess YET. I emphasised "yet" because he would eventually do that whether he likes it or not.

Why am I surprised you can't piece together the puzzle? Sheep aren't known for being very bright. Even if a video is released, you guys will come out and shout that it was videoshopped! Some of you are asking for pictures of both of them together. If that is released today, you will come and say it is also photoshopped. Finally, you guys' opinion on this matter won't change the glaring facts. After all, you are the ones that also lied that Otobo went to Auchi to confess when that was also a lie! Like "apostle", like sheeple.

As for Su-LAIR-man, better go and confess your evildoings. Your media crew and defenders are only making things worse for you. Silly defences such as these reveal that they are ready to be blinded forever. Imagine him telling those who "contemplated believing" the scandal to knock themselves from "stupidity"! Later he threatened that anyone who criticises him or any pastor would have his/her life cut short. What a pastor!

If any of you sheeple dare quote/mention me to say rubbish, I will ridicule you and the man that you worship further.

I must first of all say you are talking nonsense.
As for message retrieval, even if you retrieve a bbm message, it will still only show the date of creation not date of retrieval. I have flashed and recovered numerous Bb devices. not one device has ever shown the date of retrieval, only the date of creation

for the statement of account, pastor Suleiman said before that he sent her money cos she asked. I personally know people that have received money from pastors.

for the face time picture, please who authenticated it? was it facetime ? I know for a fact face time will not do that without a court order. and bro, hope you do know they are at least nine people in the world that looks exactly like you. I have seen more that four people that are completely unrelated but look so much alike you can argue they are the same person. so I can believe she found someone that looked like Suleiman, took a pic and claimed it was him. that is why us will never convict a victim based on video recording alone without eye witness or fingerprints.

And bro, pastor Suleiman has indeed denied the claim.

then use ur brain o. if you can snap a face time pic, you can as well record a face time video. why no video recording of the chat

she said they were sleeping in one protea hotel. all protea hotels have security cams. and a good reporter should be able to get a cam video of both of them coming in at the same day.

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If i may ask, what will you be wearing before flies or mosquitos perch on ur balls, u have to be naked in a dirty environment thats why flies can perch on ur balls. it is because our government has unclothed themselves in public dats y d flies could perch

fctguy:
[size=18pt]When fly perches on your balls, you will know that violence is not the answer to every conflict[/size]

and between d two, who is a mumu and slow poke, a man dat made nigeria the highest growing african economy or a man dat is killing our economy

sinkhole:
In Yoruba language "ode" means "mumu", slowpoke

http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/jonathan-constructed-more-roads-than-any-other-nigerian-president-fashola/ please read the link. and wre you in warri? if you have any friends that live near ekpan, you can call and ask them if what am saying is true. i did not say it was producing to full capacity but they were still producing.
Or please eduucate me, what other way can make a refinery mast burn if production was not going on. or do you want to tell me the gas used by phcn to power their generation stations was imported too.

mrmetoo1:


Fashola didn't attest to nothing. This is one of those lies that you guys have chosen to ram down our throats. If not please show me a credible article or link or statement where Fashola said that. As far as the refineries, forget the fire you were seeing the refineries weren't working. This is undisputed fact. They kept talking about turn around maintenance till they left. Diezani in 2014 said the refineries won't start working until sometime this year.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/175498-nigerias-refineries-terrible-shape-petroleum-minister.html