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Itsrm:
My experience is extremely similar to yours except that mine lasted about 6-8 months.

The deal breaker for me was that I could barely concentrate on anything. Even in church, I'm refreshing livescores. I had nothing else to think of. Just forecast and play bet.

I knew I couldn't continue living my life like that. And it wasn't like I was always winning. It was a consistent cycle of wins and losses.

Na so I say bye bye to betting. Never again

Omoo. Nihilist captured it well, the depression of losing what you thought was a sure game and then coming down from the high of winning coupled with the immense time invested. O boy! The experience was definitely something.

DeadPresidents:
For me, the reason i quit gambling was very simple—in gambling you’re losing regardless of if you’re winning money or not.

How? Well, the time investment is the most expensive part of gambling. The time you devote to thinking about potential matches to bet on. The time you spend analyzing teams and making predictions. The time you spend watching games you have no business watching just because you bet on it. The time you spend coming down from the high of celebrating a win or to overcome depression from a loss.

Gambling is the biggest time thief. I figured out that if i used just 30 mins improving my coding skills everyday out of the time i was wasting gambling, i would make compounding gains and that was what i did.

My only regret is a nigga i knew who refused to stop and is currently 30+ with no plans of moving out of his uncle’s house while his juniors have started families and achieved success elsewhere

Very solid points made.
I remember sleeping very late in the night then, researching teams to bet on.
There is no League I didn't know then, every top team in Europe, south America and Africa. Especially Egyptian League, south African league, Ghana and nigeria.

I knew the highest scoring leagues and the lowest scoring leagues. Switzerland had tge highest scoring league, seconded by German second division, the lowest scoring was nigerian league, always under 2.5 and most likely for a draw.

I used to research managers that never make early sub because the odds for the first substitution in a match to take place at half time was 1.7 odds which was quite big. So I was always favoring Burnleys Sean dyche and west hams slaven bilich. Coaches that usually leave subs very late. Almost never using their 3 subs all in a match highest 2. Southampton too under pochetino, manu's Mourinho too.

You're very correct. I will be awake by 4 am in the morning because of matches in Brazilian league. Firmenese, copa this copa that. good old days. Then when I get to work, na when sleep go dey show me shege.

Gambling is indeed bad.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Raumdeuter, is today your birthday?

The kind accolades wey i dey see here![/color]

Well, for better context of this issue for me.
2017 was when I started earning for the first time in my life (salary wise) and my parents kinda gave me a very soft landing.

And I became a gambler who liked betting. And I was actually winning! And I think it was nihilist funny enough had always advised me to always use low odds. And I did, I was a fairly high staker, 10k, 15k 20k with low odds like 5-10.
And I will mostly post them here. I think my posts were what ignited the debates about gambling on the thread at that time.

Here are some of them then. You can see the amounts staked and then the balance in my bet accounts then.
https://www.nairaland.com/3585296/football-other-sports-betting-season/20#53027813

donjazet:
Chelseafan1, how does this look? Any risk here?

donjazet:
Where? I seriously didn't see. There were a lot yesterday so I couldn't go through all. Anyways what do you think about that this game I want to stake?

https://www.nairaland.com/3585296/football-other-sports-betting-season/1035#55573421

donjazet:
Pamcod and nateevs una no well at all ooo. That one na the congrats una go give me for my winnings today abi issorite, continue.

Now, when you see these , you take note that I was wildly inexperienced with money, in terms of how to spend it judiciously, so in my eyes gambling was very lucrative, partly because I was winning and partly because I wasn't really feeling the effects of losing that initial money because again, (parents soft landing) renting house for me then and giving me their other car).
But Dayo consistently did advice me whenever I post those "winnings", that I really should try and stop. Others would hyping me and praising the winnings, while he would advice caution! Caution! Whatever you think you are making now, you would lose it later. Take your winnings now and leave.

And it wasn't until 2 years later when I found myself knee-deep in debt and gross financial ineptitude because of gambling that I realised what he had been telling me consistently.

Now I went from this post here made in 2017

donjazet:
I can tell you categorically that if you have the luck and you know what you're doing, you'll make it big.
It's close to six months I started betting and my winning rate is very fucking_ high. I have made excess of 1.8 million profit. No kidding. I am a high staker who places high sums on low odds.

I have used 50k to win about 200k on 4 occasions. I have used 100k to win 235k. I regularly use between 10k to 20k for between 3-5odds and my losses have been very few I can tell you.

It's simple, if you know what you're doing, you'll make it. The bulk of my games are just usually 15 mins draw and 2 or 3 wins.

And this;

donjazet:
No be joke, betting is the best thing to have happened to me in life. I have done 4 rollovers of 2- 2.5 odds and lost only once. I have a friend who used to bet since with 1k or 2k almost every weekend and some weekdays. I just advised him to do a rollover and be disciplined about it and gbam!!!, in 6 days he made 300k from 10k.

The problem with many punters is simply impatience, greed and a lack of strategy. I understand what ibime and Raumdeuter are saying but they're all sounding like everyone who gambles is a failure or is addicted and that assertion is totally false.

To this; 3 years later.

donjazet:
I have recently decided that betting is just a monumental waste of time, a never ending cycle of wins and losses that just leaves one emotionally drained and fatigued.

The earlier you desist, the better. Gambling is bad.

donjazet:
Not with betting. Why do you think that gambling companies don't go broke? Instead more keep springing up.

Gambling is addictive and that is very dangerous.

They say experience is the best teacher but dayo did actually help.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So something good can come out from Dayo?

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Yeah this was the very brilliant piece which will actually help me some years later. It was very helpful to me personally, (although at that time I wouldn't know it)

raumdeuter:
I will say dont start betting because you dont know where it will leave you. You probably wont know the type of inbuilt restraint you have

I knew I didnt have betting luck early, If we play dice for fun I will be winning once we put money I will start losing, same with Kashi So I stopped

But later I started football betting and felt it was more of a knowledge thing than just rolling a dice and hoping to hit 6. I started betting on Tennis and football and initially I won actually one of my big wins of $1,820 on a 12 game accumulator for some Euro U21 games that made the bulk of the money for my first car in US.

After that I became bolder, Friends will even come to collect picks from me. I had another near miss in 2009 where one game stopped a $6k win. I thought I had mastered it until I went on a 6months spree of back to back losses and several thousands of dollars

With TKB we would draw excel sheet of all games in Europe do several risk assesment (Pick only supposedly sure games where the gap on the league table between the teams were at least 10) review last 5 results put in a lot of informed guesses but we were copping losses back to back. I started making single games bet, In game bet. I remember World cup 2010 Ghana vs Serbia playing a drab game no one created any chance for 75mins, I just put $200 on the game ending in a draw, few mins later a Serbian guy from a non threatening position fouled in the box and Asamoah Gyan buried the goal and my money.

I also did a 12 game accumulator where everyone won but PSG, That game they had 32 shots to the opponent 5 and still drew.

It was after we have collected enough L's that tkb just brought the idea that assuming we go to the other side and we were the ones owning the betting shop and dishing nigg@s the L. We did several research and I had a discussion with my stat profesor and he told me statistically you can never lose by owning a betting shop because the low odds take care of the risk. "Owning a betting shop is illegal in the US but if its legal in your country go for it You can never lose"
That was what led him to start the betting company which has made him millions and continues to give

Today the economy of Nigeria has pushed many guys have gone into it not knowing what they are really doing. 1 million guys hook on to the story of 1 guy who won and all dive into it. Have they ever thought of it why the owners are becoming richer and they poorer.

I have guys even with good jobs in Nigeria who call me for football picks from Bundesliga

I have gone to Vegas to play poker with a little cash though for the fun of it
My betting account with draftkings has $300 unused sitting in it and I havent used for like a year,

Best advice, Dont start it. It will suck you in thinking your next bet will be your lucky break

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I read that comment thrice.
I even see say Nihilistjnr feature for the EP.
Ahn Ahn.
Never knew this day would come in my lifetime.
I feel fulfilled. [/color]

Well, I've always said that he's quite insightful on some issues, he has a decent amount of exposure through which people can learn certain things. But my redline with Dayo is his political leanings. He is too far right in terms of ethnic and tribal issues. No one should get away with consistently calling people cannibals because of their tribe.

Put summarily, there were some very brilliant Nazis. Infact German Nazis started the atomic bomb invention and had very brilliant innovators.
I mean, a German Nazi might absolutely hate and want to kill any jew but it didn't take away from the fact that that Nazi was a loving father to his family, a loving husband and perhaps a very academically bright person despite having a broken moral compass or rather a hateful one towards a particular group of people.

A40:
Thank God you too you know you're confused. We are making progress. Where I contradict? Did you see me support Greenwood? Didn't I tell you I'm against violence?

Suggesting he does not remain unemployed doesn't mean I endorse violence. Please show ability for complex thinking

Well, maybe we're not far off from each other.
I'm of the opinion that he has to be held accountable for his action, that doesn't necessarily translate to him being unemployed forever. But the most important factor in justice as I said is "admission of guilt".

Right now, we are still at the stage where some people are outrightly saying that the dude is innocent. So far as that stance stands, it means justice and fairness especially is still elusive. I guess this is where we are divergent In views since we both accept that domestic violence is unacceptable.

But to be very clear, let me ask you this question very clearly;
From your own personal perception, do you believe that Greenwood did physically beat and assault his partner?? Do you think he was violent to her Ina my way?

TrebleChamp:
That dude is emotionally unbalanced, he will still hold on to that foolish view of Greenwood being a rapist no matter the evidence put before him to show contrary. We know him well enough, i was just surprised people actually took their time to engage him on this topic.

Come on treble champ, I thought we were good??
Very surprised to hear you say this about me.

A40:
Na stupid man sha truth be told. If her brothers were Jones Brothers, Vitaly and Vladimir Klitschko or Jokic Brothers I'm sure the man would have kept his hands to himself

The man is a childish man if he can't accept the consequences of his actions and she is better off without him. Not all situations are worthy of salvaging. Some bridge you let it burn.

You have a contradictory nature. I'm confused that it's you making this point.

raumdeuter:
This remind me of my betting days. Wey guys go put me for phone make I dey give them who likely to win for Bundesliga. I tell am say you sef pick am yourself make e no be say na my name you go carry go shrine
Me sef don jam before 2010 world cup Ghana vs Serbia very boring game. No team get intention to score. Around 70mins of drab football, Na so I put money say na draw gam go end, less than 5mins, One foolish Serbian boy collect red card. 12mins later an aimless cross into Serbia box na so one guy use hand touch the ball. Penalty to Ghana

Funny enough when I was into betting few years ago, I remember you and nihilist actively discouraging me from betting.
When I post my "winnings", nihilist would say, oga post the one you done lose, even though he himself too was betting oo.

But in the long run I think it helped.
I remember you telling me how in your university you guys would even use calculator and stick to a strict pattern of betting to experiment the success rate of betting, you and your friends and when the experiment failed was when you came to the conclusion that gambling actually doesn't pay.

That was very good advice I must say.

A40:
I don't recommend his style for most people. O ma lule. You will run down walahi.

I have a friend I keep warning I hope LAPO no go come carry am one day. I won't leave country wey I dey to come help am oh.

His betting style is actually very sensible and he doesn't play that nonsense they call virtual soccer, anybody playing that one is doomed as far as I'm concerned. No money wey you make and win you can never use it to do any better thing. Your village people have won

I look at his options. He doesn't put those pesky useless 1.01 1.2 and other poverty odds. I rarely see him pick anything less than 1.4 and people don't understand it doesn't matter the odds the bookies only need you to be wrong once so that whole 'safe odds' is a myth

This FIBA basketball World cup coming now I already know he's going to cook something. There's another dangerous nigga Mr Banks. The damage he did that pandemic time with tennis. I was seeing niggas win 4k odds, 8k odds

Funny enough I have an uncle who has consistently played bet for years with quite a strict personal discipline.

What he does is that every single weekend, he uses 10k to play no more than 5 odds. Just 3 to 4 games. Every single week. No matter what, he doesn't play 2 times even whether the first game cuts or not. And he's has been quite a "success story". Later I would share the screenshot of his betting history. Sometimes he would win 2 weeks in a row and then lose like 5 time, he's won in a whole month 2 times in like 3 years. That's 4 weeks straight.

And he really does enjoy the thrill. Very few people will have that kind of strict personal discipline to overcome the temptation of just sticking to that odds and that amount every weekend.

afrodoc2:
Okay this sounds more plausible. Several quiet losses and a few loud wins. Very few people make significant profit from gambling in the long run. Gambling is a potential disease, and nobody knows who has the addiction gene for it, so the best thing is to never start. It destroys destinies and wrecks families.

Well said. I gambled for a while myself and later I found out it's something that only takes no money in sofar as you have a habit of betting.

What Reddit has to say

This is how normal people respond to crime not what I'm seeing here.

patrickmuf:
If your girlfriend posts pictures of her bloody nose and all that and accuses you of assaulting her, should the world just accept it without calling for a proper investigation? I guess you'd say no.

Now, if in the course of the investigation, she chickens out, does that make you guilty? It doesn't...She could as well be scared of the backlash that will follow if the investigation proves she is only trying to get at you.

Look at it from all perspectives and stop being myopic...Whatever happened remains buried as long as she dropped the charges or opted out of the whole process...Stop crying more than the supposed bereaved...

You came in attacking me today, even when I haven't done so to you. Perhaps a revenge trip?

Anyways, it's not just the gory pictures my man, it's the live recordings which we all heard too. Maybe you should listen to it again and tell me you're objective opinion.

Mason Greenwood pro footballer for Manchester United F.C got exposed by Harriet Robson for basically RAPE! The audio below is very hard to listen to. Trigger Warning! #DramaAlert pic.twitter.com/YVTYA4vKsT

— KEEM 🍿 (@KEEMSTAR) February 1, 2022

When you listen to this and you then see the pictures, only a human being without a conscience and a broken moral compass will still dare to think he's innocent.

Talking about the Man United statement, of course it's all a PR exercise, it's all about branding and imagery of the club and what's best for the club, truth is highly circumspect especially when no information as to the actual "investigation" has been released publicly. All these efforts to see mason as anything less than a rapist despite the evidences abound is an exercise in futility.

Again, as a human being with a conscience, watch the clip again!

Mason Greenwood pro footballer for Manchester United F.C got exposed by Harriet Robson for basically RAPE! The audio below is very hard to listen to. Trigger Warning! #DramaAlert pic.twitter.com/YVTYA4vKsT

— KEEM 🍿 (@KEEMSTAR) February 1, 2022

And let me make this point very clear.

People are rightfully angry with this Mason greenwood's case, not just because of the rape crime but because of the lack of consequence and accountability.

No one likes to see injustice prevails.
If in another world, when this came out, mason was sentenced, did his time, whatever and was rehabilitated, that is when you will see people clamouring for his reintegration into society and all.

That is when the narrative that he has "learnt" his lesson will fly. But in a situation whereby active cover is still given and there is still room for plausible deniability and some can come out and say, "he is innocent" despite all evidence to the contrary, that infalmes the fury of injustice.

No one likes when injustice has won. And the lack of accountability is why the western public hasn't moved on from him.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Mason is a rapist and a wife beater.

The same person he raped and beat, has gone further to collect more knacks and become pregnant.

Did it end there? NO.

She packed her Portmanteau and Echolac boxes and moved in with him.

What kind of a daughter is this?[/color]

I think I've addressed this.

We may never know her motivations for still staying with him.

Right here, Ibime thinks he pulled a pimp_ move in order to evade justice

Ibime:
The girl went back to him and got pregnant. She is now his baby mother
The trial depended solely on her evidence so he pulled a pïmp move

But whatever was her reasons don't concern us as they're is no crime in her actions but what must still be called out is that mason greenwood raped a woman, until you realize that a heinous crime took place and people can't rationalize that crime and the fact that he has essentially evaded justice for that, you won't get it.
It's not only about the victim of the crime, it is the fact that mason greenwood raped someone, meaning he has it in him to be a rapist! And that is no small crime!

People are sentenced to death for this. People are castrated for this!
Mason greenwood is a piece of shit rapist!

izzou:
[color=royalblue]What is even more disgusting is that the same woman is now carrying his baby, and living under his roof.

I really do not know what to make out of the victim[/color]

Well on a personal note, I think the woman is foolish, I think maybe she's more money induced but that's none of my business. Foolishness or golddigging is not a crime and in this case, no one is harmed.

BUT, still doesn't absolve the rapist, mason greenwood from the fact that he Indeed RAPED a girl. A crime was committed.

In this case, the victim might have had money -induced Stockholm syndrome but that doesn't mean that she still wasn't a victim of a crime.

A kidnapped victim might fall in love with the kidnapper, that doesn't absolve the kidnapper of his heinous crime of kidnapping people against their will.

So there you have it, 2 truths co-exist here, mason greenwood raped a woman and violently beat her up, the victim of the heinous rape is still in love with her abuser.

Mason is a terrible piece of shit violent rapist, the victim is as foolish or maybe a cunning golddigger who lives the money, still doesn't mean a crime hasn't taken place.
A crime which unaccounted for can still happen to another person and we might never know.
Mason is a rapist, the girl is foolish or cunning but there is only one crime there.

Well at the end of the day, JUSTICE WAS SERVED and the people ARE HAPPY!

Sorry that you guys have refused to evolve from your hateful, archaic and revanchist mindset.

The western world is now a liberal haven with a value set that encompasses the treatment of all human beings with dignity.
The western society has no place for hate except for those who wish to habor hatred towards others simply because of what and who they are.

If you don't like it, you sign out, some watching their football, stop watching their movies, stop listening to their songs, just sign out but if you are going to continue to align with any part of their system, then you must be ready to embrace their value system, a system which is open and acceptable to all.

You all can drench in your rapist-loving sympathetic shithole of a society where tribalism, corruption, religious prejudice and violence continue to define the shithole we call a society here.
You guys only rail against injustice when it affects you but you will gladly support another injustice, shame on you guys!

This is the end for Mason greenwood! A rapist and a wife beater.
You can moan all you want but mason will NEVER play in the best leagues again! He will relegated to the history bins of trash for being a rapist! You all rapist sympathizers can choke on that!

BoldBrainz:
You should rather worry than be sarcastic.

Considering the mindless impoverishment leaders of this country have subjected the masses to, should Wagner make an entrance into our shores, you'll be stunned at the humongous number of Nigerian soldiers that may resign to join them even.

I want to believe this account is a paid Russian propaganda poster, not an average nigerian. I strongly want to believe this. Because no African would be that far gone to believe what you just typed.

I repeat this again, you cannot be railing and shouting about "western imperialism" and then turn around and support a far worse imperialist nation like Russia ESPECIALLY on African soil, not just it's neighboring countries but on African soil..

If you think Russia is Africa for altruistic purposes, I have a bridge to sell to you. Russia via wagner is already extracting rare earth minerals and other resources across African countries. It's like it's until these people enter nigeria that you would now know the risk they pose. Hmmm.

Empathy and kindness are virtues that can never go out of stock. It will never be old-fashioned to be kind and empathetic and this means holding people who have committed evil to account..

Mason greenwood raped a woman. Of that there is no question, we could all hear it happening. She begs him not to put his dick in there, he violently reacts and forces her to spread her legs. Anyone who condones rape is the worst kind of person out there. You literally support evil! You are evil if you are sympathetic to rape. If you can't understand why people would be livid seeing such a harrowing experience.

He should never be put in a position where he has to be a model for anyone.
Celebrities are defacto models whether youike it or not. "Cancel culture" is about ensuring the most vile people are not put in positions of influence and power. If you are against this, you're mentality should be re-oriented.

A40:
ROTFLOL that is the best way to describe them.

My permanent grouse with cancel culture shitfvcks is that their canceling is never across board. They can shift the goalposts anytime as they please depending on who is involved. They're like the other woman in the story of Solomon who smothered their own baby to death and so wanted Solomon to divide the living baby to two so there's no baby left.

This explains why when everyone has a misstep they want you broke, busted and disgusted just like them

It's not a single thing they preach that they practice as we see time and time again

This life is very funny. I remember when we were diametrically on the opposite sides of the riots in Nigeria, some of your points were laced in empathy albiet deceptively but here you are, making fun of people who for all intents and purposes seek accountability.

Need I remind you what exactly is enraging people? For God's sake we just experienced a woman being raped!!! How can you not feel enraged about it?? Where is the accountability.

Mason did this to a girl. Look at this picture below 10 times and maybe let something in your conscience be pricked!! When did it become fanciful to be heartless and unepathetic?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]E be like say the Greenwood news be good news to UK fans, according to some sources here

So maybe na back-to-back good news e drop

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Ohh, it has been an excellent news for the vast majority of their fans there which does tell you a bit about their moral compass at least compared to us here, rapist loving sympathizers who ironically like to denigrate them for the "evils" they had done to us ages ago. Life is indeed funny.

But look at this thread below and see the excitement and relief from the fact that the rapist would never play for their club again.

https://reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/s/ffdpjtNFBV

Did A001 really expect anyone to read every single thing he wrote up there??

I'm actually very curious to know if anyone actually read that post from start to finish.

Emaprince:
Woke mentality is a hell of a drug.

SMH

Can you explain? I don't understand your post.

A001:
How many people do I even engage here on Nairaland? Lols,

Just keep on spreading your gospel of African cultures and traditions are barbaric and savage and should be wiped out . Start from the Ibo culture, and I'm sure the elders in your area will give you an award for being the most intelligent Ibo man alive.

If I'm guilty of this, then you are too because what I can remember saying is that ASPECTS of subsects of African culture is backwards and we need to do away with them. Same point you too have made.

Talking about killing albinos, restrictive women's rights, child marriage, marriage arrangements etcetera.
We have both said that culture can also evolve so why on earth do you keep forwarding that point towards me like I want all Africans to entirely do away with all their culture?

dreamxhaser:
Boss abeg are you gay? Are you a feminist?

It's alright, I'm not offended by the questions.
What I am is a liberal, an idealist and a humanist who cares about social justice and who cares about a fair and equitable society for all including the minority groups, the disadvantaged and the downtrodden.

I guess this is what you all like to call the "woke mob" even though being "woke" literally means being awake and aware of the injustices and the fundamental prejudices that exists in our society.

akwesenana:
If you aren't equipped with enough facts, why did you reference it here?

I will say this again, I am flabbergasted by your inability to understand nuances. You are dumbing down the conversation.
What happened to Gaddafi was jungle justice and one which on the surface the average man can align with.

Let me ask you this, if you hear that the north Korean public has revolted against their leaders and killed them, wouldn't you be happy that justice has happened?
What about Cameroon? Iran nko? Russia? Countries where their dictators have essentially declared themselves rulers for life.

How would you react knowing that the people themselves killed their own leaders?

akwesenana:
Nice.
Do/did you support his killing?

I'm not equipped with enough facts on the issue to form a personal opinion on it.

But on the surface, I can understand why citizens will be happy to kill a dictator who has ruled them with an iron fist for more than 40 years. I can understand that but as I said, I don't have enough facts on the matter.

A001:
Says someone that calls all cultures in Africa barbaric and savage, saying they should be all wiped out. If my posts promoting good aspects of my culture and other native cultures of Africa are nonsense to you, then you've a big problem you're yet to realize.

I can't be discussing fictitious characters like Jesus on a Monday morning at the beginning of a new week when I'm swamped with work. The topic has no real value to be given such importance.

Intelligent people should understand that easily. My posts are not meant for dolts and are targeted at the intelligent few on this forum.

Please can we know who these people are in your opinion, because what we've seen is that every single person here who ever engaged seemed to immediately be presumed to be a "dolt" and unintelligent to you.

Do you really regard yourself as the most enlightened one and others as intellectually inferior?? . Please get off that high delusional horse my friend.
Your retorts whenever engaged have betrayed whatever intelligence you thought you have.

You spout sooo many untruths confidently and once challenged you seek to escape and then come back later and post further lies, who does that?

akwesenana:
Bro literally stated that he supports jungle justice.
TWICE

There's this famous saying here, I'm responsible for what I type, not responsible for how you understand it. You continue to exhibit a flagrant misunderstanding of nuances.

I didn't say I support jungle justice as a form of justice but indeed there are some rare instances where I certainly won't mind. I specifically said, one where the judicial system has very obviously failed in carrying out justice especially for very worst politicians.

If you can't understand that single nuance, that's on you. Would I want a thief beaten and killed on the street before he has had his day in court, NO!. would I want a corrupt politician who stolen billions of dollars meant for building hospitals and schools stoned on the streets after going through the court and being declared "not guilty" based on corruption and technicalities? HELL YES!

Amoto94:
Donjazet only wanted to be seen as a defender of Liberty but he seems to forget that true Liberty is about justice, fairness, equity, compromise and compassion where and when necessary.

There is truth in this, what you seem to be forgetting is that the first step of justice is the admonishment of guilt by the culprit. That is to say, the guilty party accepts that what he did is absolutely terrible, but in a situation whereby people are still making excuses for the culprit without recognizance of his fault exposes that unwillingness for the issue to be sufficiently addressed and justice meted out.

You can hear people still saying till now that the court has declared him not guilty when nothing of the such happened. So can you see that justice hasn't taken it's course yet?

I am truly disgusted that there are people here who will think to be sympathetic to a rapist and then cowardly try to hide under ethe banner of "Court did not declare him so". Like what the fvck is that? Since when did we wait for a court to dictate personal principles??

Even when we know a lot of laws are imperfect.

Is there any single person on this thread who thinks mason greenwood is actually innocent? I really want to know this? Like, is there any single fan on this thread who after hearing and seeing what is out there on greenwood genuinely thinks the guy is innocent?? Let me know the foolish criminals amongst us.