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dreamxhaser:
Boss abeg are you gay? Are you a feminist?

It's alright, I'm not offended by the questions.
What I am is a liberal, an idealist and a humanist who cares about social justice and who cares about a fair and equitable society for all including the minority groups, the disadvantaged and the downtrodden.

I guess this is what you all like to call the "woke mob" even though being "woke" literally means being awake and aware of the injustices and the fundamental prejudices that exists in our society.

akwesenana:
If you aren't equipped with enough facts, why did you reference it here?

I will say this again, I am flabbergasted by your inability to understand nuances. You are dumbing down the conversation.
What happened to Gaddafi was jungle justice and one which on the surface the average man can align with.

Let me ask you this, if you hear that the north Korean public has revolted against their leaders and killed them, wouldn't you be happy that justice has happened?
What about Cameroon? Iran nko? Russia? Countries where their dictators have essentially declared themselves rulers for life.

How would you react knowing that the people themselves killed their own leaders?

akwesenana:
Nice.
Do/did you support his killing?

I'm not equipped with enough facts on the issue to form a personal opinion on it.

But on the surface, I can understand why citizens will be happy to kill a dictator who has ruled them with an iron fist for more than 40 years. I can understand that but as I said, I don't have enough facts on the matter.

A001:
Says someone that calls all cultures in Africa barbaric and savage, saying they should be all wiped out. If my posts promoting good aspects of my culture and other native cultures of Africa are nonsense to you, then you've a big problem you're yet to realize.

I can't be discussing fictitious characters like Jesus on a Monday morning at the beginning of a new week when I'm swamped with work. The topic has no real value to be given such importance.

Intelligent people should understand that easily. My posts are not meant for dolts and are targeted at the intelligent few on this forum.

Please can we know who these people are in your opinion, because what we've seen is that every single person here who ever engaged seemed to immediately be presumed to be a "dolt" and unintelligent to you.

Do you really regard yourself as the most enlightened one and others as intellectually inferior?? . Please get off that high delusional horse my friend.
Your retorts whenever engaged have betrayed whatever intelligence you thought you have.

You spout sooo many untruths confidently and once challenged you seek to escape and then come back later and post further lies, who does that?

akwesenana:
Bro literally stated that he supports jungle justice.
TWICE

There's this famous saying here, I'm responsible for what I type, not responsible for how you understand it. You continue to exhibit a flagrant misunderstanding of nuances.

I didn't say I support jungle justice as a form of justice but indeed there are some rare instances where I certainly won't mind. I specifically said, one where the judicial system has very obviously failed in carrying out justice especially for very worst politicians.

If you can't understand that single nuance, that's on you. Would I want a thief beaten and killed on the street before he has had his day in court, NO!. would I want a corrupt politician who stolen billions of dollars meant for building hospitals and schools stoned on the streets after going through the court and being declared "not guilty" based on corruption and technicalities? HELL YES!

Amoto94:
Donjazet only wanted to be seen as a defender of Liberty but he seems to forget that true Liberty is about justice, fairness, equity, compromise and compassion where and when necessary.

There is truth in this, what you seem to be forgetting is that the first step of justice is the admonishment of guilt by the culprit. That is to say, the guilty party accepts that what he did is absolutely terrible, but in a situation whereby people are still making excuses for the culprit without recognizance of his fault exposes that unwillingness for the issue to be sufficiently addressed and justice meted out.

You can hear people still saying till now that the court has declared him not guilty when nothing of the such happened. So can you see that justice hasn't taken it's course yet?

I am truly disgusted that there are people here who will think to be sympathetic to a rapist and then cowardly try to hide under ethe banner of "Court did not declare him so". Like what the fvck is that? Since when did we wait for a court to dictate personal principles??

Even when we know a lot of laws are imperfect.

Is there any single person on this thread who thinks mason greenwood is actually innocent? I really want to know this? Like, is there any single fan on this thread who after hearing and seeing what is out there on greenwood genuinely thinks the guy is innocent?? Let me know the foolish criminals amongst us.

akwesenana:
Let's talk about Gaddafi.
Where are those who killed him now?
How is Libya faring in this reign of "calm"?

Gaddafi was killed by Libyans. They literally stoned him to death. It's their choice.

akwesenana:
That means you admire vegans 'cause it feels cool to admire them. Not because there's any reasonable thing (besides health benefits, which are questionable) behind the idea.

I admire the sheer selflessness of the act.
Someone willing to sacrifice his personal pleasure and comfort for a cause they believe is bigger than themselves will always be admirable. Now whether you believe in that particular cause is a whole different conversation.

People deciding not to eat any meat no matter how delicious it is, simply because they seek to preserve life is a genuinely admirable idea.

akwesenana:
In other words, you support jungle justice?

You continue drifting soo far from me. You're basically inventing your own narratives and trying to run with it.

BELIEVING that someone escaped justice and ACTING on that impulse are two different things and worse soo acting sooo violently towards that injustice.

I can see and believe that a criminal was free but to then actively support extrajudicial violent acts (jungle justice) is another thing altogether.

Till today, many people believed that oj Simpson was guilty of his crime even though the courts found him not guilty, but it ended his career and many are actually satisfied with that because a life was lost there. But no one went and physically harmed him.

Now not to say we can't have a debate of whether jungle justice in some instances are not justified. I mean, Gaddafi the Libyan leader was killed by the masses themselves, people who who were ruled under his reign of terror for 40 years.
I know I wouldn't be sad if jungle justice was meted on buhari if he was tried for his crimes against Nigeria in court and walked out freely with everyone knowing he gamed the system but knowing that he set this country several years backwards and cost a lot of lives. Now I'm not saying I support it, but I know I won't be sad, that's for sure.

sod09:
E ti gba alejo oran ni thread yii 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is this what you meant??

Is google correct?

A40:
Like I said we have to choose if we want to believe people are innocent till proven guilty or not. You can't pick and choose when to believe it. Else you're no better than the backward societies you claim you're better than in the East

This "innocent till proven guilty" is just a legal term. It's for the courts, never has it been for the masses. Me and you have seen corrupt politicians in this country who went to court and came out victorious. We have seen cases of mob bosses being declared not guilty because witnesses disappeared and no evidence.
Are you saying that YOU as an individual will believe that someone is innocent of any wrongdoing so far as the courts don't find him guilty? Really? You never form your own perspective and judgement on issues with evidence before your eyes?

In this case of greenwood, we have direct evidence that a rape took place and crime was committed. Why won't you apply your own personal perspective to this? What makes you want to defend a blatant criminal?

A40:
You're doing too much bruh. I didn't say Greenwood was blameless and I don't recall defending him on this thread so I don't know what you're on about.

I was speaking on a broader scale about past unrelated cases with the Dr for instance and guys like Partey and Mendy

The woke mob can do whatever they like with their selective demands. That is not my own concern, my stance is if he's not in jail then he should get an opportunity to earn a living the best way he knows how which is on the pitch and I stand ten toes down on that. If he's not found guilty in a court of law he should play wherever he can

A40, do you believe that there are some people who have committed crimes, gone to court for those crimes but have been released on technicalities, however everyone and even the person in question does know that he committed the crime?

I'm talking of street rappers, drug lords, corrupt politicians, white collar fraudulent business men etcetera.
I ask again, do you believe that the justice system is perfect and convicts every criminal who passes through the court system?

I'm sure the only answer to this is NO. the court is not perfect and sometimes criminals get away with their crimes, to which I would now ask you, if with evidence presented to you, you and a lot of people are certain that someone did commit a crime and you owned a business, would you want that person who committed that terrible crime to work for you or with you?
How would you like working with a violent murderer?

akwesenana:
No offence oh, but this "freshly roasted and spiced meat" so, in it's life time didn't it harm life by feeding on other animals?
Food chain na joke to una?

How is my point not getting across??
Am I doing a bad job of expressing my thoughts lucidly and clearly?

You are phrasing this question to me as though I buy and key into the idea of vegetarianism but I don't. However, I do admire the selfless sacrifice of the act.
Vegetarians believe that man is responsible for the extinction of sooo many animals, that we've hunted some animals out of existence and that part is true but I think that rather than say man shouldn't eat meat, hwta they should argue for more is conservation efforts but if Indeed more people decide not to eat any meat, I think it's also good for them. No one can criticize them. There is no harm done in their decision.

chrisley024:
@emboldened. I would appreciate seeing the evidence for this claim. Based on my understanding, these segregations were officially enforced and therefore seem unrelated to the current discussion. It appears you believe that I support discrimination, which is not the case. My position is that the other party isn't discriminated against and or no infringement on their rights.

As a question for you, do you think there should be a law that compels a private business owner, who for religious beliefs doesn't support gay marriage, to make a cake for a same-sex wedding?

Well, yes private business individuals acted upon their individual rights to discriminate upon black people and refuse them service and this went on for soo many years infact it was encoded into law at a certain time that blacks were 3\5th of a human and were not equal to a white man, I will also add that Interracial marriage was also forbidden.

As for your question, my answer is yes, but not in the way you framed it, saying there should be a law that "compels" and individual to make cake for gay couples even to his dislike frames it wrongly.

I would rather frame it that it should be illegal to discriminate another individual on the basis of religion, sexual orientation, race, gender etcetera.
Once there is a hint that a business owner wouldn't attend to someone on the basis of these aforementioned factors, the business should be sanctioned. Because that is blatant discrimination and as a society we should seek to be more tolerant, and not to sanction hate.

When you apply that question with another example, you see the problem, should a Catholic cake baker decide not to bake cake for a Muslim because of his beliefs?

Should a white cake baker decide not to bake cake for a black man because of his racism? We have been here before and we know that it is not a good place to be.

A40:
Lol. Nothing sacrificial about being a vegetarian. The Almighty made us omnivores for a reason

Even for animal kingdom carnivores have their use. And that plant you're eating is depriving a herbivore of food.

By eating dairy products and poultry we are applying population control

Yeah, not that I agree with the vegetarians or their principles but my point highlights the point of people making sacrifices for the greater good.
Seeing a freshly roasted and spiced meat with assorted beef and deciding to sacrifice your pleasure from a place of genuine desire to not harm life is indeed an admirable selfless sacrifice. It requires strict adherence and discipline to your personal principles to achieve this.

It's admirable.

melodyogonna:
The British government did not even pursue the case. After it got dropped a Nigerian/British crime lawyer on Twitter expanded on the reason. Apparently crimes must be proved beyond reasonable doubt and based on their investigations this particular case can not be proved, audio recording notwithstanding.

Indeed, proving the crime of rape is a very very high threshold.
If not for this live recording this girl did now, absolutely no one would agree with her of she said that she was raped!
I mean, even with the Audio that we can all hear of a rape happening, some people are still willingly providing cover for Mason, now imagine that she went to court with just this recording and even with that, he was pronounced not guilty because the recording is not sufficient evidence, do you think people will still believe that he was guilty??

I hate when people side with blatant injustice.

We are supposed to root for the underdog, for the little man, where is this sympathy for a criminal coming from?

ChristineC:
did I ask him to stop advocating for any rights he likes?

That post came off as you jeering the guy for having advocated and supported women and then being a bad victim of a terrible woman.

A40:
In Greenwood's case I don't think it's just money or carrying olosho. The boy does seem a bit tapped in the head. He has a lot of maturing to do. As a man especially a black man in the West your rope is shorter than most

So you all agree that he indeed did something very terrible, then why then are you guys somehow spinning this against women??

Why are you guys defending him?
I can't understand this? You guys see that indeed be was very wrong in his actions but then you guys are angry with the "woke mob" who are demanding accountability for his actions??

Reaction to the video.

ChristineC:
he's a very humble man these days
as always, body go tell person.

Are you saying that because someone advocated for women rights but then fell victim to a particular bad woman, that that somehow undermines his initial good stances??
That a terrible woman doing him bad means he was wrong to have advocated for women's rights and stood up for them like I'm doing now?

nitrogen:
Companies carry out integrity and background checks, some may be okay having him on board since there is no conviction. Top football clubs will want to avoid the publicity that comes with parading him in front of the world every weekend.

Maybe Saudi or Turkey (Middle East in general) will work, but he might be paid a wage that is similar to what local players earn. No leverage at all. Chai, and this guy is so young.

I would never understand feeling sorry for a perpetrator of a crime. A criminal!

You guys just do not want to reckon with the fact that this dude did something absolutely terrible and people are genuinely angry with him for the terrible thing he did.

Again, read this transcript line by line and if possible listen to that audio.

Mason Greenwood pro footballer for Manchester United F.C got exposed by Harriet Robson for basically RAPE! The audio below is very hard to listen to. Trigger Warning! #DramaAlert pic.twitter.com/YVTYA4vKsT

— KEEM 🍿 (@KEEMSTAR) February 1, 2022

Please my brethrens, take just a minute and read this again slowly, line by line.

Maybe you guys would finally understand why the "woke mob" is angry with this individual.

Maybe take a minute to hear this audio again then imagine that was your sister at that moment, then come back with these awful defenses and justifications.
Greenwood was a piece of shit rapist and Manchester united made the absolutely right decision.

Mason Greenwood pro footballer for Manchester United F.C got exposed by Harriet Robson for basically RAPE! The audio below is very hard to listen to. Trigger Warning! #DramaAlert pic.twitter.com/YVTYA4vKsT

— KEEM 🍿 (@KEEMSTAR) February 1, 2022

A40:
The idea of Greenwood not playing football at a high level again is wicked IMO. I have never understood it. If he's not caught cheating or affecting the integrity of the actual sport and is not in jail then he should get to play. Maybe not at United where the PR nightmare is terrible for everyone involved but I still believe he should get another opportunity to play and earn a living.

Is he even qualified to work at a bank? Naah. I think he should get another crack at it. Italy, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi. The idea he should not play again is asinine to me sha

Let me ask you something, if you heard a player murdered a woman because they had a domestic dispute, what would your reaction be like?? I want to know how you would feel about the issue.

CrystalTiger:
Oga Donjazet, no vex abeg no just vex, you win..So come dey go abeg 😕

I'm not making an argument to win, I'm trying to influence the hardline stance of some here who think it's okay to be full of hate and hardlined against people different from them and then the others who seem to blatantly support the sexual molestation and rape of a woman and defend the criminal. These are not things that should be acceptable in the modern world.

I'm truly glad with the step Manchester united has taken on this. I think they made a powerful statement with this.

chrisley024:
Not sure I get what you mean by "unfair bases" but I do strongly support equal opportunity, although I am against enforcing equal outcomes and am in favor of equality under the law. However, based on some of the examples you provided, I think that the private sector should not be legally obligated to offer their services to individuals they choose not to, as I think that'll be infringing on their own rights.

This statement has plagued the American supreme court for ages.

Are you aware that this statement you just made was the basis for racial segregation in the United States and then Apartheid in South Africa which went on for many years?

That statement is very dangerous, that private businesses should not be legally obligated to offer their services to who they wish not to. You are infact sanctioning discrimination.

White men who owned hotels will refuse to offer services to black people because "IT WAS THEIR INDIVIDUAL RIGHT".
White men who owned cinemas or offered one service or the other would blatantly refuse to do so for black people.
Private Schools were segregated between racial lines because white owners felt it was their right to make that decision.

Since it's their business, they have the right to attend to who they soo wish to, not until anti-discriminiation laws enshrined under civil rights were enacted..

In cases where discrimination is blatant, the employer can be punished for discriminating another human being.

So I differ, laws should constantly be updated to reflect the challenges of the time. For instance I think Nigeria needs an anti-tribal discrimination law.
Recently there seems to be a rise in tribal hate speech with some calling other tribes cannibals on the internet and then some people of different tribes acting out these differences in public like we saw during elections. If left unchecked, nigeria could see itself in a much troublesome society ahead.

WrriterNig:
⚡️The leader of the 🇷🇺 ☠ Wagner Private Military Company, Yevgeny Prigozhin, announced that he is currently in Africa and is preparing to bring happiness and justice to African nations.

Only African fools will believe this rubbish.

Only a highly foolish African will believe this nonsense. That Russia has boots on the ground for the benefits of Africans.

I pity people who fall for this propaganda. Na mumu be una name.

ChristineC:
so all these years, and you still think stuff like this is based on fairness. I'm not surprised. it's all fun and aluta till it hits home.

Sorry, I'm confused by this. Can you elaborate?

WhoDeyHause:
Fairness and equality in this same world we are living? Just this past world cup that Qatar had issues with lgbtzyxiofsyagjkvsxafgkaafbcagkchidquojf with community because of their long standing religious and historical believes we all saw what transpired on social media and in the west. Every human or group of humans is only after what benefits them in the present whether just or cruel so it's possible to also hide under the guise of morality .

I don't understand your post especially the last part.

Yeah, there might be some truth when you say "humans are only after what benefits them" but you can see why liberals fight to change this narrative.
People go out of their way to try and make the world a better place.
Look at vegetarians for example, because they genuinely believe that all life matters on earth, they go out of their way to never eat any living thing again or any byproduct of any living thing.

They feed on only plants and they commit themselves to regenerating those plants.
That right there is the extreme ultimate sacrifice some are willing to go through to leave the world and their environment a much better place.
So I guess this dispels your notion that humans will only do what benefits them, well some people sacrifice for the greater good. Soldiers go into battle ready to sacrifice their lives for the good of their countries. So I guess that counts too.

akwesenana:
So as biggest suppliers of oil, they can suppress human rights of others and get away with it?
Omo.

Please I didn't say this. And mind you, they might not get away with it completely.

There already has been progress, albeit slowly.

Women are now allowed to drive, this was only recent, women are now allowed to go public without a man's permission, women are now allowed in stadiums.

These are social revolutions there going on slowly so it's not like, they themselves are not quietly liberalizing.

chrisley024:
on a side note, can humans actually be treated equally?. Or what you mean by being treated equal

I mean the absence of discrimination on unfair bases.
A white man not wanting to employ a black man.
A yoruba man not wanting to employ an Igbo man. An Igbo man not wanting to sell to an Hausa man.
A police recruiter not wanting to recruit women.

A church not wanting to accept a gay person into his congregation.

I'm advocating for elimination of these social barriers amongst ourselves as humans.

A fair and equitable world.

akwesenana:
This defeats the principle of equality you so hold dear.
Sanction A just because you can afford to and leave B for "strategic" reasons.

I'm sorry but you seem to mistake my elucidation of facts for me sanctioning it.

Now I'm not happy that that is the situation, that indeed because a country is richer, it is spared consequence from its terrible human rights action but I know why it is soo. I stated this because I was asked exactly this? Why spare Arabs but not Uganda. And I acknowledged the nuances at play here. In an ideal world, I would wish that the Arabs are also sanctioned for gross human rights violation but I do know that doing that plunges the global economy into turmoil creating worse problems.

It's just akin to the Nigerian situation, I hate that the APC carried out a democratic coup on Nigerians, now the military might want to step in and handle the situation but I would rather they do not because their attempts at solving it create a far worse issue. This is a stark nuance at play.

But I still stated that the principles and intentions is what counts.