₦airaland Forum

BlueRayDick:
It's usually people who have travelled out of those African countries and have seen how a country is supposed to work that usually take it upon themselves to challenge those sit-tight leaders like we see in the video. I'm sure there will be people resident in cameroun who will want the status quo to remain as far as Paul Biya being president is concerned

Funny enough, the opposite was the case for nigeria in this past election.

BlueRayDick:
You asked me what I feel about our laws against homosexuality's and I have shared a piece of my mind with u on that. EOD!

Nothing concern me with what obtained/obtains in Germany .

Actually you didn't, you cowardly hid under the banner of "it's our written law so all must abide" to hide your seeming bigotry and hatred against these innocent people.

You hide under the laws because you support those hateful and dehumanizing laws. That's very shameful for an individual who has shown capacity for deep intellect. You should be strongly ashamed of yourself for this.

DeadPresidents:
I believe eventually, gay marriage will be legal in most parts of the world (including Nigeria). As long as humans have formed civilizations, gays have been there and will always be there. Until science figures out the way to remap neural pathways responsible for homosexuality, they’ll always be here.

However, different societies evolve at different pace and you cannot force a society to accept an ideal when they are not ready for it.

For example, slavery is still legal in Mauritania. That’s an example of a society that is lower on the evolutionary rung than Nigeria (I mean slavery is illegal in Nigeria)

Then even within different states of the same country, you have different rates of acceptance for the same concept. For example, gays have more acceptance in California, than in say Alabama.

Nigeria is not ready for gay marriage. Our evolution never reach like that. Until then, you must agitate and face persecution. That’s the way it has always been historically.

I think you've indeed stated facts. It's true that we are progressing albeit very slowly in our values but nonetheless it's frustrating personally knowing and seeing how slow that progress is. And worst of all, knowing that you are personally ahead of the curve so are doomed to be persecuted for holding a position which seems broadly despicable but inevitable in the future.

BlueRayDick:
There are laws regulating fishing in some western countries. Maybe we should tell states like Bayelsa, Delta,Ondo, Benue, Kebbi, etc which fishing happens to be the major profession of their people to import those American laws so that hunger can choke them.

If u are saying laws are made for people and not people made for laws; then the right question that should follow is: WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ? The people in question are Africans who do not want to adopt the nonsense woke culture that is pervasive in the west for now.

Laws do not drop from heaven, vallaha, aljana, or any other sky place. It's the people of such area that draw up laws from their customs, traditions , culture and what is generally acceptable by the populace.

These set of laws Below were widely popular in Germany at the time. Do you think these laws you see below were fair and justified? What do you think about these codified laws which were indeed acceptable and popular to the masses at the time?

The malicious practices act was a set of laws signed by Nazi Germany which gave the government the legal rights to spy on its Citizens and legally purge political opponents for criticisms they seemed "offensive to the German state".

This act officially gave Hitler absolute dictatorial powers as he now had legal rights to commit inhumane acts against a large number of people.

Examples of how laws can be self defeating. Immoral laws made by unjust men to suppress and terrorise minorities which indeed did "reflect the position" of the masses.
Nazi Germany 1933. The Nuremberg laws are passed in Germany's parliament by Nazi Germany.
The Nuremberg laws makes it illegal for any jew to have sexual intercourse with any German citizen.

Jewish citizenship were revoked in Germany and rights to ownership of property stripped.

Man was not made for the law, law was made for the man.

Sometimes, laws can be unjust because the people who made the laws were unjust. Laws are not infallible and in such situations where the law is blatantly unjust, the only moral recourse is to fight against it because the law itself has become a self defeating injustice.

And if you decide to hide cowardly under the banner of unjust law to oppress people because they are different from you, then you are as evil as the unjust men who made the unjust rule.

BlueRayDick:
That's why there is a law which everyone who wants to continue to live freely in a society must adhere to. The good thing is the law does not permit homosexuals to be killed, but rather go to prison as is prescribed by the law.

Even the west which u always argue in favour of brought us the concept of rule of law and by the concept u are expected to obey the law . All these emotional diatribes u are writing do not change anything.

By the way hope u know that open show of affection by same sex attracts 10 years imprisonment. Ignorance is not an excuse; being an advocate/activist for same sex copulation will not save u either.

Happy Empathizing o

I will leave this with you.

BlueRayDick:
The totality of our culture , history, traditions and values is against homosexuality. I don't know the part of Nigeria u are from, but the part of Nigeria I come from homosexuality's is repugnant to us(very very very distasteful act). Our laws are a reflection of our history, culture and traditions. So yes! I am against homosexuality and I support our law enforcement agents clamping down on those guys u are empathizing with.

All those shalaye u put up there na superstory.

A lot of things are repugnant to a lot of people, still doesn't justify dehumanizing them and outrightly killing them.

Once upon a time, our culture also hated twin babies and saw them as evil and slaughtered them in their millions. Millions of innocent babies murdered in cold blood. our culture also hated albinos and killed them outrightly.
Our culture saw women as subhuman and just as properties of men.

"Our culture" is not the supreme guide you make it to be, it's not infallible. As a matter of fact, hoping for us to continue to do things the way we have been doing it for a thousand years is not the Flex you think it is.
Having to fall upon "culture" as a defense to hate on your fellow human beings who only want to be left alone and have no desire to inflict harm is cowardly.

And most importantly, these people are not foreigners, they are born and bred here, you cannot make them prisoners of their place of birth, they have no where else but this land to call their home, you can't chase them away simply because they want to live their lives the way they see fit. One without intent of harm. They have right to life just as much as you, the only time that right can ever be taken from them is if they deprive any other of their own rights.

Punishing them is oppression because they are different and it is not right, neither is it fair.

I felt bad while reading this. Nigeria is a sad state of affairs.

Unperturbedpota:
Smh

Because he is refusing to publish all the propaganda you pushed him anymore.

For years you guys used the media to sell lies.. lies upon lies about Nigeria and the economy.

Foreign investors believed and made the mistake of coming here to invest then they lost billions.

From Jumia to Konga to bata ro nestle to Glaxo to Lufthansa to Kellogs to ToyRUs to Lego to Walmart to Pizza hut , etc I could go on and on listing foreign investors whis believed the lies from the Lagos Chamber of commerce then..

You sold Bloomberg et al the usual lies that the Nigerian chamber of commerce spits out daily backed by the propaganda from the Nigerian bureau of statistics.

All false fake data based on a 200 million population, what you didn't tell them which they all later realized is that there has been no real census so we don't know if our population is 200 million or 50 million.

What they also realised was that of that fake 200 million population there is no middle class only a 1% elite and a 99% extremely poor class.

So now they all got angry and started pulling out their Forex. It's a matter of time before Dstv leaves too, I foresee them selling off to a local partner and devesting from the Nigerian economy. This year's Big brother Naija has recorded the lowest revenue ever!!

The politicians wasted years building concrete castles like Eko Atlantic city which their citizens can't afford instead of investing in human capital so they can sustain the middle class . Now the middle class is extinct in Nigeria.

Companies have no customers who can purchase their products .

Starlinks has sold less here in Nigeria than Kenya. Yet we claim to have 200 million while Kenya are around 20 million people, let that sink in .

Nigeria is fast fading and the president still thinks propaganda can fly. The world has seen the truth and they have run from your economy .
Kenya is growing in leaps and bounds every foreign company not found in Nigeria is in Kenya, From Microsoft to all the foreign airlines, to Lego to sharp to Sony to Asus to Siemens to Atlus to Ubisoft to every single foreign investor you can think of have offices in Kenya not Nigeria.

Until the citizens push for good leaders Nigeria will continue crashing more and more while you open threads on Nairaland wailing and blaming others for your problems instead of facing your leaders.

For those whose brains can't understand, this is something as trivial as gokart tracks. over 10 different huge tracks setup in Kenya and are extremely profitable....

https://destinationskenya.com/top-8-best-places-for-go-karting-in-kenya/

I think Lagos had one or at most 2. They have closed up since. Because they made No profit and the economy killed them long ago, why? The citizens in Nigeria are poor and can't afford such, against Kenya where their minimum wage is better and the people have much more disposable income because Kenya has a huge middle class.

The only business in Nigeria that survives are those for the extremely poor like pure water or those that carter to the 1% rich

Nigeria economy is finished

seunny4lif:
Ukraine drone have hit Russia base which is just 20 miles from Estonia border.
Turkish reports that, those drones were launched within Estonia as it is not possible that those drones were directly launched from Ukraine because Belarus stand between that region of Russia and Ukraine.

Today, we shall know if it’s true or false about it, hope Estonia or any Baltic states did not allow drones to hit Russia from their territory because make I arrange my bags to village.

Even if it was launched from Estonia, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!!
Russia wouldn't dare attack a NATO state. Do you know how many redlines Russia set that has been crossed? From threats of NATO giving Ukraine tanks, to himars, to cluster munitions, to f16, highest they would do is sabberrattle about nukes for the seventeenth thousand times.

If Russia cannot defeat an ordinary neighbour that happened to be the poorest country in Europe and shares a land border with them, what on earth will make you think Russia can win against NATO??

seankafor:
shut up, if my sister fúcks around.. let her find out

I asked because you generally speak scornfully and disdainfully about women in general, which piques my interest to know if you might have a sister who you grew up with.

seankafor:
the Spanish fa should use all artillery in their arsenal to clamp down on these stupid femisists and all their apologists whether male or female

By chance, do you have a sister?

BlueRayDick:
Section 5(1) of Same sex prohibition act 2013 imposes 14 years imprisonment upon conviction on those who enter same sex marriage and section 5(2) of same act imposes 10 years imprisonment upon conviction on anybody who directly or indirectly makes public show of same sex amorous relationship.
The law is the law! The law in Nigeria is a function of our cultural values, beliefs, customary practices and the common law.
How is it injustice when the police are clearly enforcing the laws of the land.
You can empathize with them from now till tomorrow , but those guys will most likely be eating prison beans for the foreseeable future.

Blueray, these laws below are part of our own laws, do you personally agree with these laws and do you wish to preserve the statusquo or do you rather prefer they were changed even if maybe you were in the minority?

Section 6 of the criminal code says marital rape is not an offence because rape cannot happen within a marriage.

Under section 26 and 26 of the nigerian constitution, a Nigerian woman who marries a foreigner does not grant her foreign partner nigerian citizenship, on the other hand, if a Nigerian man marries a foreign partner, his partner is automatically conferred a Nigerian citizenship.

Section 55 of the nigerian labor law bans women from working in the night except the woman is a nurse.

Section 353 of the criminal code states that sexual assualt on a woman is categorized as a minor infraction and bears no longer than 2 years in jail regardless of the degree.

Then lets talk about negligence of the law or rather, things that are legal to do in nigeria but illegal in other places. Female genital mutilation, a common practice where the female sex organ is deformed as a traditional practice. Marriage arrangements, one where the girl child is given away to a husband by her parents.
Underage child bride. Still very legal. There are many other such Nigerian laws that are archaic and belongs in the past.

Now with all these i ask you again, do you agree with all the laws of your country? Are there laws you wish to see changed in order for your society to evolve to a better one or are you a strong advocate for the status quo? because your position on this seem to be that the law is supreme and we must be resigned to it even even when obviously wrong, even though historical evidence presents to us where the law has been weaponised against fellow citizens.

For example, Your argument rings through with Americans who weaponised the law to suppress the rights and dignity of their fellow citizens. Blacks were legally 3\5th of a human being, interracial marriage was illegal. Interracial sex was illegal with severe punishments. Segregation of races were legal and codified.

One could say that these were indeed "a reflection" of the majority of the society but did that make that, right and moral?? Do you think the people who advocated for and passed those laws did the right thing? When you genuinely answer that question, you see how you've basically buried your conscience and taken the cowardly position of hiding under the law even when that law directly stamps against the fundamental human rights of your fellow countrymen. You enjoy their dehumanization because it doesn't affect you and that is morally unconscionable. Its wicked and not right.

No matter what, let us Nigerians NEVER pray for military rule. We've been there and we've seen. Many people will be shocked to know the ratio of northerners to southerners in the military. The north had completely overtaken the military structure of this country, such that any military leadership is guaranteed to be a quasi-northern rulership just like we've had over the years.

Who are behind the coupists?? That's the most important question to ask. If it's indeed the people themselves revolting against a family that has held them down for many decades, then this is nice and good and hopefully the military organises a new democratic system for them sometime later. (Something very rare).

However, if this is another colonial power like Russia trying to gain a foothold in the country, if the coupists are backed and sponsored by Russia, things are about to get far worse for Gabon, because if they thought France was a terrible backer, wait until they experience the Russian brutality experience. At least France can pretend to care about human rights, legitimacy and whatnot, Russia doesn't give a fvck.

Let's just hope and pray that this is a genuine citizen-led revolution against a terrible quasi-monarchical government that has pinned them down for soo long.

We still dey talk, these people are already budgeting to buy cars in excess of 16 billion naira for the new ministers.

A continuation of government extravagance.
It's not as if these people are not already heavily loaded or don't have super cars already, but they just seek to loot for looting sake.

Tinubu's Buhari really showed us pepper.

This is the man that Tinubu presented to Nigerians, packed his cabinet with his stooges and then remained silent as they sent this great country down the bottom of the pit.

The judiciary, nigeria is in your hands. Do the right thing.

[quote author=seankafor post=125439314]Don j, go and bail your brothers(sisters)

Nigerian Police Harvests Over 100 Suspects At Alleged ‘S@me-S£x’ Wedding Ceremony In Deltapic.twitter.com/gVpQdIZXR8

— Instablog9ja (@instablog9ja) August 29, 2023

heart sunk watching this.

Will nigeria ever evolve in our lifetime? These young men brought no harm to anyone, they didn't inflict pain or incur damage to a single soul, so why are they being humiliated for expressing themselves the way they see fit??

Conservatism has always aligned with hypocrisy. You react badly to people different from you simply because you don't understand them.

Nobody deserves this kind of treatment simply because they want to live their lives freely. And if you support this kind of public humiliation and embarrassment for these people who just seek to live a merry life and nothing else, you are an ignorant fool sorry to say.

My heart goes out to these victims of injustice, they suffer the disease of an ignorant and hateful society. It's just soo unfortunate. In advanced society, these people would live a fruitful and happy life without having to deal with this stigma. So so sad. I deeply empathize with them and what they are going through. May they pass through this ordeal successfully.

The quote tweets are actually a sort of consolation. It's heartening reading the comments condemning the police for the gross violation of these peoples fundamental human rights. Gives hope of our future.

OasisX:



.......Itsrm! Where your main man belongs?!

PDP not being able to suspend Wike despite his blatant anti-party activities and open frolicking with the opposition is a heavy dent on them. It heavily undermines their future plans and dents their brand.

They need to grow balls and expel Wike from the PDP.

OasisX:


....CSU locked all their SM Platforms cos of them. Guess what? Dem don carry the matter go jam Illinois Governor. LOL!

Energy like Kante....🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Accountability is a good thing, don't you agree??

Are you not the least but curious to know the primary and secondary school your boss went to and at least to know who you defend just a bit more personally??

We can't have a "president" who seems to live a fake life. Whose history is entirely unknown. It's a shame to all the citizens of this country. It's a slap to our collective intelligence.

You should be hailing the obidients for fighting and demanding absolute transparency rather than this below.

Emaprince:
Even with all the liberalism and acceptability in the west, them still dey mock a nigga for being gay.

You think they don't know how disgusting it is for a nigga to be eyeing another nigga ass?
WTF man!!!

Of course acceptability isn't at 100%, but as you can see from all the lamentations of the "woke mob". Their laws and their sentiments is completely geared towards protections of the minority.

Any CEO, any public official, any entertainer who comes out and insults gay people and attacks people sexuality is dropped instantly. The person loses all opportunities.

I'm sure you would like that to happen to all tribalists in nigeria, wouldn't you like when people are called to account for spreading targeted hate against another group of people??
Do you think hate is good?

Amoto94:
[b]Someone who did want to abort his supposed baby after supporting abortion and championin[/b]g the cause of abortionists as a liberal, Don J will only deceive those who are naive and ignorant. Don J is just catching cruise with some of his takes deep down he doesn't mean them

Your post doesn't mean what you wanted it to mean.

You said I supported abortionists (which means for women to abort their foetuses) and then wanting to later abort my suspected baby.
Doesn't that align with my beliefs?

Is there a contradiction there?

larride:
At the bolded, if you simply dont know what you wi do in that situation, why then are you calling Doyin Okupe who is dealing with the situation a coward?

Dont you see how confused you yourself are?

I'm calling okupe a coward because only a coward and a selfish father would cut off his own son simply because of what "people would say". Any father who would not support his son because the son is gay is a coward.

But that post also highlights me saying that I don't know if I would also be a coward in that situation too.

Let me use a clearer example. You and your mother are in public and a stronger looking guy confronts you and mother for something, along the line he not only insults her but also lays his finger on her and starts beating her, they are choices you as a person can make there, you can stand and fight him back no matter what, even if you know he's much stronger than you or that maybe he could use a deadly weapon on you or you could run away in order not to be his victim too.
Both responses are logical but one is an absolute choice of cowardice.

Hope that simplifies it for you.

raumdeuter:
Sorry to hear that. The process for you might be very hard then.
If its substantial money it might be worth the stress, If not maybe you go just throway face
Also anyone with aged parents should start making these steps so their hardwork does not get lost or wasted

God Bless you man for this.
Please does it have an expiry date for collection? My parents had absolutely forgot about most of these. Like I'm talking some bought around 2003 and 04.

That's I'm asking if after a while, they've lost the rights to collect dividends and stuff like that?

BlueRayDick:
The truth is u won’t get a reply from me.

U posted a misinformation last week , I asked u to admit u gaffed and put the misinformation down but u never did . 👎

Which kain Amala be this?
What does that have to do this? Fine I've edited my post, Oya reply me.

BlueRayDick:
E clear!

Still waiting on your answer BluRay.

BlueRayDick:
E clear!

Please share your own response to your question.

Is Oasis 007? Na him I play against.

Ibime:
Ching, Ching, we got Cash over here

Ching, Ching, we got Cash over here

Trying to imagine your voice saying this was very funny.

Sometimes I wonder what you actually sound like, whether you're soft spoken or brash sounding, ajebutter-like or kpako-like.

Just vivid imagination.

BlueRayDick:
This is the answer I seek. Thank You.

I would like you to indeed return the favour.

I wish to know your answer to that question.
What will you do to your child if he tells you he has found love with someone of the same gender?

BlueRayDick:
Unfortunately, this 3000 word essay didn't answer the straight and simple question of what u will do if u are in a position someone like Doyin Okupe is today with his son.

It's not a simple and straight question because I had to let you understand exactly what you were asking me, with its nuances.

I have told you that it isn't against my personal principle, if I find myself in Europe, I'm sure this wouldn't even be an issue at all, but if I'm in nigeria I recognise how big an issue this would be (because of my ignorant society).

Okupe is indeed a good example, his son who is gay now lives abroad and his father is doing his thing here. His father has chosen to distance himself from his son. That is cowardice (but understandable).
Would I do the same, I simply don't know.