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ChristineC:
sounds like someone from the LGBTQ community.

Nope! Sounds like a liberal who wishes for a more open society that treats all human beings as equal irrespective of tribe, gender, race, religion or any barriers we as humans continue to set for ourselves!

Just a human being who wishes for a fairer and more compassionate society.

eph12:
Ah yes sanction the third world black country. But the mighty rich Arabs? They'll rather die lmao

Well that is by virtue of economic placement and ramifications of decisions.
Let me state that I recognise the nuances at play here.
The Arabs today are the biggest suppliers of oil and as such have such a high leverage and so cannot be effected the same way some other smaller countries like Uganda, Nigeria, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Guatemala etc etc can be sanctioned.

In trying to solve one problem, you create far more bigger problems.

But at least the principles remain. They project and wish for a more fair and equitable world.

eph12:
It's always amusing to read about how the West care about fairness and justice on one hand, and speak about racism and whatnot on the other hand. Then you get to read about the atrocities and killings they do all over the world. It's entertaining

Can you please elaborate on the bolded??

And yeah, one can see that indeed the "west" of today does seem to genuinely care about fairness and justice. Sanctioning Uganda for its extremist LGBT stance proves it's resilience in fighting for rights of minorities all over the world.

eph12:
Its been two years since he got suspended, yeah? How many more years for this period of probation and enrollment in counseling before you permit him to go back to his life?

Being suspended from work is different from being handed a "suspended sentence". A suspended sentence means it goes into his record and eliminates any form of doubt as to the criminality of his actions which will inturn ensure he doesn't commit this again else a repetition guarantees the highest possible sentence.

This suspension by the club gives him plausible deniability as you can now see in action. With the club essentially covering for him and flat out saying he's guilty when he's blatantly not! Hence him virtually escaping genuine consequence of his actions.

larride:
Load of rubbish.

Surely larride, an intelligent person in countering a point of another will attempt to address the point made and not just deride it as "rubbish" while not offering a counter argument. Surely you see that only grossly stupid, irreversibly dumb and recaltricant pre teens would reply in the manner just stated?

akwesenana:
If the girlfriend of my friend reports a rape incident to me, I'll hear from my friend, if possible in her presence.

My main wahala be say when them exonerate Benjamín Mendy, you no run come here come demand justice and retribution the way you come for Greenwood.
This is hypocrisy and na why people no dey find am hard to label you as a wokists General.

If you followed my posts on the chatroom thread, you will see where I vehemently condemned the false accuser of Mendy and said she should face the full wrath of the law to serve as a deterrence to others. But in making that point, I also highlight that what happened to mendy is indeed counter to norm. Men being falsely accused is bad but rare compared to women who are actually raped around the world.

eph12:
What do you think is enough punishment for this Greenwood's crime?

The crime(s) stated here being rape and domestic violence.
He had his penis in her even when she was consistently begging and appealing to him to please stop. That is rape!!

Now sentencing for rape takes into account factors such as (repetition of offence) history of the offender (is he a criminal, what are his prior criminal records), degree of violence inflicted during said rape and all that.

Average sentencing is usually 5-25 years in advanced countries (based on those factors listed above). So in a case where this seems to have been a not soo violent and taking into account the fact that the victim seemed to have moved past this and "forgiven" him, I would recommend a "suspended sentence" with period of probation and enrollment in counseling for him to recognise the error of his ways.

akwesenana:
What do you mean by the bolded?

Do you mean that Mendy was guilty of the charges against him but lack of sufficient evidence was what made him walk free?

No I wasn't being specific about mendy's case (although it's distinctly possible).
That point was stating that the occurrence of women accusing men falsely is far less when compared to the rate of women actually being raped around the world.

For example, take your own Nigerian society as a sample. How many women are believed when they come out and say they were raped?? What is the response to that?

Tell me the truth, if you and 3 of your closest guys are together and a girlfriend of one of them tells you that your friend raped her or beat her physically, how will you react? Say the truth?

If a girl around you tells you that another guy raped her, how exactly will you react to it, will you act on it? Will you take her seriously or will you start finding ways to blame her? Will you start asking? You sef? "Why do dress like ashawo"? "Why don't you stay at home?" "No be you been gree to follow am?"
Just be honest about this. So you can see that in our own society, women are still seen as inferior to men and are on the lower side of justice.
So tell me why one wouldn't be empathetic to women's plight when they are clearly the underdog?

ChristineC:
I said these guys don't really care about domestic abuse or nonsense, all they care about is cancel. I know a lot of these staunch fanatics first hand and I avoid them with every fibre in me.
a few who join them are not bad people, they just shape their life on social media, lack basic intelligence and believe they are doing something good.
in this short period there has been accusations against Mendy, Partey, Greenwood and Sigurdsson.
I can bet that a lot of fans don't even know of the last name on the list and there's a reason for that. guess what, he's was even pedo related but the media looked right.
look at someone with a freaking cat, they pushed to cancel him anyways. it's absurd.

This is an extremely shallow and careless way to speak, I'm sorry to say.
It might shock you to know that people do care about right and wrong, about individual human rights not being violated. People care about the rights of minorities, and indeed women who till today are persecuted around the world on the basis of their gender. From child brides, to restriction of rights and freedoms, to domestic abuse.

Ohhh, I'm sorry that social justice to you is sooo offensive and unthinkable, but welcome to the modern world where people care about fairness and justice.

It's always we Nigerians who do the most! Who align with injustices despite being right under the heels of it in our society. We lament what our politicians do to us but we ourselves somehow outmatch them in being as intolerable and prejudicial to people different from us.
Shame on you my man. No offence.

akwesenana:
This is unrelated, but I'll like to know what your opinion is on how cases like this should be settled when the accuser is found to be indeed innocent. Example the Benjamin Mendy case.

Well, talking about the courts in this case. Sometimes a court's declaration of "not guilty" might not necessarily mean that the offense wasn't committed but that rather, there wasn't any sufficient evidence. I mean we in Nigeria that suffer from a corrupt and weak judicial system can certainly understand this statement I just made.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but for the courts, it definitely is. No evidence means no case.
We've seen movies where mob bosses who were guilty as hell were released and declared not guilty after those mob bosses might have killed the key witness(es).

Now, this rings more true for rape cases which are historically more difficult to prove, most especially if the both parties have a prior or existing acquaintance, now factor in where the accused is far more wealthy and you tend to have an imbalance of justice.

Anyways, having stated these factors, if one is definitely innocent but has been accused wrongly (something less common than the actual recurrences of rape), then the false accuser should be punished and made to pay damages.

odizeey:
Yes. You are the winner

Come on man! You're my guy, my comrade, at least on the domestic front.

spillo1:
Stop trying to act smart. You don't have enough evidence to be typing all these with boldness. CPS carried out their investigation which means they got access to a whole lot of information and evidence than the public and they concluded it wasn't enough to go to trial. United also carried out their investigation and came to the same conclusion. You don't know anything to be jumping into conclusion.

Your post is blatantly false and I hate when people deliberately lie.

The case was withdrawn simply because the accuser in question didn't wish to proceed further. The witnesses didn't come forward. And not BECAUSE it didn't happen.

Mason Greenwood beat and raped his girlfriend. Going by her words, her live recordings and videos.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Dis guy sef!

Do u believe in god?

I'm very curious to hear that answer.

odizeey:
I'm not interested in what you have to offer. I'm busy.

As expected!!
I will gladly take this as your defeat.

When someone's logic and position fails to stand to scrutiny, he runs.

I just hate hearing that word "woke" being misused and overused.

odizeey:
United private investigations said he didn't do it. Court abi police say he no do am.

If he did it why is he not in jail as we speak?

Uniteds "private investigation" is utterly meaningless seeing as they didn't particularly reveal ANYTHING at all or their methodology for the investigation. This is at best a PR statement. Truth is highly circumspect here.

The courts decision is supposed to be final except in this case, the case didn't get through to a trial which would have determined his guilt or innocence, so it still remains in the court of public opinions and surely the evidence in public overwhelmingly points to mason Greenwood as a rapist and domestic abuser.

odizeey:
It's a shame.

Well, we all deserve the glazers.

They will use wokeness to finish the club. And glazers are ready to appease to the wokeness.

Please can you define what you mean by "Wokeness" because that word seem to have taken a lot of meanings lately, prominent among them basically being "whatever political position opposite of mine".

Because I remember during elections, some tribal Yorubas were denigrating other fellow Yorubas who were supporting Obi as "woke Yorubas". So i always try to understand what that word means now.
What do you mean by "woke"?

odizeey:
Court says not guilty.

Private investigations says not guilty.
But some people will rather hang on to "evidence" that they don't know its origin.

Please where did this happen.
Last I checked, the case didn't proceed to trial because of technicalities but that did not rule him innocent of said crime.

Oasis007:
Mason Greenwood statement: "I want to start by saying I understand that people will judge me because of what they have seen and heard on social media, and I know people will think the worst.

I was brought up to know that violence or abuse in any relationship is wrong, I did not do the things I was accused of, and in February I was cleared of all charges. However, I fully accept I made mistakes in my relationship, and I take my share of responsibility for the situations which led to the social media post.
I am learning to understand my responsibilities to set a good example as a professional footballer, and I’m focused on the big responsibility of being a father, as well as a good partner.

Today’s decision has been part of a collaborative process between Manchester United, my family and me. The best decision for us all, is for me to continue my football career away from Old Trafford, where my presence will not be a distraction for the club. I thank the club for their support since I joined aged seven. There will always be a part of me which is United.

I am enormously grateful to my family and all my loved ones for their support, and it is now for me to repay the trust those around me have shown. I intend to be a better footballer, but most importantly a good father, a better person, and to use my talents in a positive way on and off the pitch."

He has to be playing making that statement.
Greenwood has no place in football.
I commend Manchester United's decision here. It's very applaudable. Although they shouldn't have put a positive spin on this by trying to provide cover. But still, good they didn't reintegrate him.

Mason Greenwood had his dick inside his girl even when she is definitely pleading for him to stop.

That is by all definition RAPE!!
He forced himself on her! He has no place in football.

Seankafor please withdraw the statement that a court cleared mason Greenwood.

That did not happen. The case just did not proceed to trial. He wasn't tried but that doesn't equate to innocence.

We must NEVER support domestic violence or worse rape!

seankafor:
Omo, you see why I said you must be a very good plate 🍽️ washer

Court has said he is not guilty, man UTD his workplace has said he is not guilty

But you don j who washes plate for a living is trying to gaslight us into saying your own imagination and interpretation is the El dorado

I recall hearing that the case was withdrawn by the girl or something like that.

The case didn't get to trial so that statement is very wrong.
No court ruled him innocent.

Again mason Greenwood was a violent rapist!

We literally heard the tapes. HE DID IT!

seankafor:
Greenwood is not guilty

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-official-club-statement-on-mason-greenwood-21-august-2023

https://www.nairaland.com/7811499/greenwood-not-guilty-he-not

We all heard the tapes bro. He did it!

PR statements cannot wash away what we all know.

seankafor:
you must be a very good plate 🍽️ washer 🤭

My brain couldn't interpret if this post actually meant me physically licking and sucking pussy_ or me literally washing plate as in domestic chores but the answer to both is definitely depends!.

Manchester United drops mason Greenwood permanently!!

Very wonderful decision. Domestic abuse holds no place in our society today. Women have to be treated with dignity and respect and as co-equals to men.

Incase you've forgotten what Greenwood did.

A001:
. I should leave my work and the books I'm writing and be sleeping and waking up on Nairaland then as a jobless person.

Some of the information I put here are things I sacrificed a lot to learn in rare books and traveled to villages to learn from old people and see if it's possible to "see things for myself".

So, unless it's absolute necessary for me to discuss some topics extensively, I'd rather discuss some subjects in my papers and books.

If you believe this, then why spamming this place with topics people will mostly deem irrelevant??

This place is called a "chatroom" for fvcks sake, which literally means people get to exchange points of views. Give and take feedbacks. You can't always drop nonsense from wherever you see it and the minute someone challenges any point you make, you escape and then return with further nonsense later in the future.
It makes your posts an interruptive one.

A good researcher will care what others have to say about his point of view.

Ibime:
The day dem open Dangote nyash for roundtripping ehn. Allegations done dey.come out small small. He is Nigerias biggest recipient of welfare

https://www.nairaland.com/7810204/tinubu-receives-petition-against-dangote

Seriously, you are sooo insightful.

drisham:
painfully raumdeuter won the hazard debate

Yeah he really did.

Zaha:
pls ignore our resident lunatic, his not worth ur time.

How tides have changed. I once believed we were allies on our domestic front. Thought you supported obi?

A real life example of the sanctions kicking in!

I repeat! Poo-tin has sent Russia soo many years backwards. It will take long and hard for Russia to recover from poo-tins mess.

Russia is now a NON-ENTITY on the global stage.

Russia has been weakened and the road ahead for Russia is even bleaker.

I don't think you Putin retards understand what poo-tin has done to that country. It has basically been frozen out from the most powerful and biggest markets bar China to which it has simply become a vassal state for.

Poo-tin today finds himself completely at the mercy of China. If China tells poo-tin to bark like a dog, poo-tin will gladly do because it simply cannot do without them moving forward. Just like North Korea. That is where Russia is headed.

viciati:
Grand Illusions.Russia was properly pumelled during the 1st world war they had to capitulate ..I repeat,take your history lessons more seriously.

As in??
Russia is even sooo diminished right now that there are talks of removing Russia as a permanent member of the UN security Council and replacing it with India and people are still deranging themselves with talks of Russia as a supreme power.

Russia is NOTHING in today's world. All it is today is a shadow of an Empire that once was!

It played it's game and it lost!

RUSSIA LOST THE COLD WAR!
Soviet Russia was the second biggest and richest country in the world for decades but it's failed social experiment of communism absolutely failed.

There were countries used as socio-economic experiments under the wings of the United States and Soviet Russia.
All allies of the United States came out triumphant and very wealthy today, Japan, south Korea, west Germany, Britain, France, south Korea, Canada, Australia etc while all countries under Soviet Russia till today are in poverty and penury with all having various autocratic dictators countries, like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, kajigzitan, north Korea, Belarus etcetera.

Russia has fallen from the 2nd richest country to not even making top 10 economy while the mighty and powerful United States of America has only soared to ever greatest heights. Becoming a beacon of freedom and democracy to all nations. Our very own country Nigeria directly mirrors the democratic system of the United States. And one can boldly say it has worked better than what we experienced under military dictatorship! We haven't perfected the system yet but it is much better than the dictatorship of the past. All we have to do is unite and elect the best leaders without looking at tribe and we'll get there eventually. Last election was just a stepping stone to how we can change the system ourselves as the LP elected numbers can testify.

Omoo! . Propaganda pass propaganda.

Do people actually believe this shit you just typed?
Like really??

Jane74:
I want to add a couple of comments.

1. The Americans declared China the enemy of the USA No. 1. Not Russia.
2. But the Americans cannot attack China as long as there is Russia. So they started with an attempt to destroy Russia.
3. China knows that it will be next after the Russians. And militarily, it is weaker than the United States. Therefore, the alliance between China and Russia is now impossible to break. It was not possible to isolate Russia economically, so Russia can wage a proxy war in Ukraine for much longer than its opponents.

4. In Israel, they tell such a story:

Children at a Jewish school were given a meeting with an old woman who survived the Nazi Holocaust.

And after her story , the teacher asked the children: what is the main lesson we should learn from the Disaster? Someone gets up, gives out the usual set: attitude to one's neighbor, humanity, one's own country, the ability to defend oneself independently.
But then the old lady intervened: "Everything is simpler. Everything is much simpler. It's just that if someone ever says they want to kill you, believe them. Do not look for explanations that he really means something completely different, do not tell each other that this is just some kind of politics and other games. Just believe me. And then: you can — fight, you can't — run. But the main thing is to believe me. Immediately..."

So let's see what the Americans and their puppets say about Russia?

Quite openly, they say that Russia should be divided into small independent pieces, that its population should be reduced to 30 million, or even more: there are very few Russians needed to service oil/gas fields where it is very cold.

They are officially gathering conferences on the topic "how to disintegrate Russia after winning it."

Russians know what the disintegration of the country is. After the collapse of the USSR, hundreds of thousands of people died of hunger, drugs, and died in ethnic conflicts along the borders of the country.

So the hopes that the Russians will rebel against Putin because the West is so good and democratic are groundless. All residents of Russia believed the West that the West wants to kill most of them either directly or starve them to death and cold.

In addition, the West regularly (once every 100-200 years) unites and attacks Russia.

And it loses every time.