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absoluteSuccess:
Thanks for the feedback bro, let me attempt your questions.

I believe that had it been the Yoruba had akosile, we would have had a masterfully written scripts of Ifa and agbonmiregun would be one of the prophets. In spite of that, I still believe anyone who proffers solutions and help us to understand life better in relationship with ourselves and the society and the divine is a prophet, so yes, he is.

He is more than a prophet because he was an inventor of Ifa divination system. No two culture have this other than the Yoruba and her neighbour, the Egun people who did not have a separate one from the Yoruba. They must have learnt from the Yoruba or, we are speaking an old language of both.

The import of this is if this form of religion or device has been invented far from them (egun), would they have adopted it? Let's compare the assimilation with the Edo, another closest family. This is just to find out an answer, on where Ifa may have likely been invented in Yoruba land.

My theory is this, Ifa was invented at Ado Odo. This would make the first king of Ado, identical with Onitako. Then Ifa pertains with "Itako". Now lets attempt Yoruba metathesis on this: itako, Otako, Ikota, Okota. Oko, Ota, Oko-ta: Bestselling author. The first king of Ado was a best selling author.

Let's say the original Olofin Ado was an authority among authors. like he was the reporter for his group of scouts and one to be trusted for accurate information where necessary. then politically, for there to be an ofin, law, and an Olofin, (custodian of the law), there must be a book of codes.

That establish the fact that the original settlers of the Yoruba were literate, not necessarily the whole population, but their elites. The next problem is, what form of alphabet do they write by? If they have anything to do with Hebrew, it would be abjad, the precursory of modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts.

Let's check for abjad in Yoruba: ko si abuja l'orun ope. Abuja-short cut. Short cut-koro. Oriki Aresa, "omo koro nigbo Ekoro". Ko in Yoruba is to write, oro in Yoruba is the spoken word. Although the art fell to disuse, but there are mnemonics and uses in everyday life that still linger in the language.

This solves the problem of who comes first between Ifa and Moses: If written culture predate Ifa's invention, and it was found among people that seems to be familiar with writing much earlier, I think we have our answers. Not only that, Ifa abide with code of ethics of near east scribes in the use of colophon.

Eji-Ogbe is Colophon of Orunmila. Eji-Ogbe is a quote from Orunmila. It says "eji, eji nimogbe mio gb'omo enikan". I don't know exactly what was being discussed when he made the statement, but it became the opening verse in Ifa in his honour. It has nothing to do with the ark of covenant per se.

Bro, this is my last post on the topic sir.

Egun means an ancestor in Yoruba language, hence why egungun is the celebration of the ancestors. So Egun is a Yoruba word, Just like Ife etc are all Yoruba words. Oyo were the only ones bearing Yoruba at that time while a lot of Yoruba were bearing several other names until eventually when everyone started bearing the Yoruba name. The "Yoruba" name itself is a prophetic royalty word 💤

Anyways, Agbonmiregun in Yoruba full meaning should be "the wise one of the ancestors".. it's the name of the God almighty. The Yoruba men linked with IFA creation were simply bearing God's names, for example Orunmila and Agbonmiregun are names of the God almighty. Yoruba were taught a lot of things during this time. Several enlightenment which includes innovative and Creative ideas, even as the ebo are rather educative and creative symbolism, not to be taken literally.

So all these were happening until the Messiah born of a virgin woman, Ela/Jewesun came. Ela/Jewesun came to showcase God's mercy in the face of the law.

Now, the question is what timeline did all these happen in Yoruba land and what connection do the Yoruba have with the Hebrew (the Jews)? 🤔

Four things should be focused on.

1. Restructuring and regionalism to accelerate the development of the nation. This is paramount as a matter of fact.

2. Investment into more production industries to increase production at home. For example, more agro industries combined with large scale mechanised farming; chemical industries, mechanical and automobile industries, tech industries, construction industries (especially road construction), electrical industries etc.

3. The government should empower the universities (the government universities) to have their own production industries. These industries will be co-owned by both the universities and the state governments of the states where these universities are domiciled in. This will also increase more production at home while churning out more talents.

4. I repeat again, Restructuring and regionalism again. This is very needed. It's the best way to accelerate the development of the nation. The major highlight of the country was when the country was operating a regional system.

absoluteSuccess:
Alright, Babaramota, the Yoruba equivalent of King Solomon was Olugbon. He was the wise one and definitely the father of "agbonmiregun", which connects the Yoruba to the Egun people: Let's say Orunmila, baba Agbonmiregun, ewi nile Ado, okikin tii meyin erin-in-fon.

By so doing, we establish Orunmila as the father of Agbonmiregun, who was the poet (or enchanter or psalmist) of an early camp of the emigrating Yoruba, who could praise ikin and also play notes on the ivory. That's part of what we were told by the ancient Yoruba records about him.

According to Yoruba tradition, it was Agbonmiregun who became Ifa or he invented the system. So hard to tell what really happened, but my take is, Ifa was originally written, when the ancient Yorubas discovered that writing will eventually become extinct, they resolve to cramming.

However, the earliest epoch they could wound the system of Ifa around was this period in their history, and the heroes of the time became the nomenclature that the system was given: odu (Oduduwa) Ifa (Agbonmiregun) Orunmila (baba Agbonmeregun). Now how do we know this?

Eji-Ogbe stands for something, it says "two are better" or in direct interpretation "two will lift up". Again, its from the wisdom of Solomon that we come to encounter such idea that "two are better than one", who knows maybe its a form of "an ancient correspondent" that these ancestors were sharing?

On the other hand, the name Orunmila simply means "orun-mi-la" that is, heaven-trembled-open. We are also told eji-ogbe, baba Ifa (the verse "eji-ogbe" belongs to the father of Ifa). Finally, in the wisdom of Solomon (apocryphal) we were told "I was exalted like the palms of Cades".

Cades here being kadesh. It is also called en eigialois (waves of the river?). Meanwhile, the title of Orunmila also sound the same in Yoruba, Erigialo. Now let's try to interpret Erigi alo, it would mean the ridges of the meander (river), that's where we can actually finds wild palm trees used for emu ako.

Ifa is also associated with the palm tree thus: Keepe o kejinna, ewa wo'fa awo ki bitin se. Ifa de, alase, ope abise wara. Another one says "igbago, eni mi ni o se, imo ope, eni mi ni o se, Orunmila lo funmi lepo kin ri paju, bara petu lofunmi lepo kin ri bu s'obe" which is eulogizing the palm tree as the tree of wisdom symbolizing Orunmila.

If the Yoruba had separated from the Hebrew, they wont say it in tradition as it would be trying to say they knew they were becoming a different people from start. Instead, its us that would keep stumbling on things that sounds familiar in other culture we seems to be privy of until we can't just hold it any longer.

That's a good informative submission. Let me add to it.

Olugbon should be the accolades of God. Also are Agbonmiregun and Orunmila. Agboniregun means the wise one of Egun. On a side note, it indeed shows that the Egun are Yoruba, even as the name Egun is also a Yoruba word. Agbonmiregun and Orunmila are accolades or attributes of the one God, just like Olugbon. IFA often speaks in parables btw.

I have always felt the word "Orunmila" is tied to Ela, considering the last alphabet of Orunmila hence why Ela is often referred to as Orunmila, even as Orunmila represent wisdom which Ela also represents. Ela is also an attribute of God which is the word of God. Only thing was the first priest of Ifa was named Orunmila and Baba Agboniregun until Ela came to take over the priesthood role. Similar to how Jesus came to take over the priesthood role from Moses & Joshua thus becoming the chief high priest according to the scripture. Therefore, Ela who's stated as the word of God is also Orunmila. All these are all accolades or attributes of the one God almighty, including Agboniregun and Olugbon which are also accolades of God.

Anyways, if peradventure that the Yoruba parted long ago from the Hebrew to establish in another place, I can see why same events which happened to the Isrealites were also showcasing itself to the Yoruba, even when the Yoruba were located somewhere else. For example, Moses who's the Hebrew's first priest led the Isrealites out of Egypt and taught them a lot of things etc. But since the Yoruba had parted away from the Hebrews long before that time (as assumed), thus the coming of Orunmila to teach a lot of things to the Yoruba at that time. This is equivalent to the Hebrew's Moses. However, According to the Ifa, a Messiah born of virgin woman was to take over Orunmila role. Same way the scripture also talked about a Messiah born of virgin woman who would take over the priesthood role of Moses. IFA calls the messiah Ela. Can you see the similarities?

So Jesus came as the messiah to the Isrealites while Ela came to the Yoruba. Meanwhile, same Ifa also talks about Jesus which Ifa calls Jewesun. In fact, only two names were mentioned as the begotten child of God in Ifa. The names are Ela and Jewesun. Thus meaning that the two names are the same since IFA says God has only "one" begotten child. In fact, in Ifa, Ela is referred as the Word and the only begotten child of God while Jewesun is referred as the Lamb and the only begotten child of God. So Ifa calls either Ela or Jewesun as the only begotten child of God. Thus meaning that both Ela and Jewesun are the same thing, that is, a=x. Meanwhile, Elah is an Hebrew name for God, apart from the other Hebrew names for God such as Elowah, Elohim, El'Mareh which are all similar to the Yoruba names for God which are Oluwa, Olohun and Olodumare/Eledumare.

There's also the 'Eriwoyah' chant which is similar to the Hebrew name of Yahweh. From the word Eriwoyah, Erinwo means "the elephant has fallen" which means the death of a good man or righteous man which is equivalent to how the psalm scripture talks about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace and we all know that Jesus was a righteous man. As for the word "Yah", it should be the name of God, like Yahweh. If I'm to look deep into the meaning of "Yah", I think it means "alive" which is the opposite of death. Hence Eriwoyah should mean "the righteous one who's got the power over death and life". In fact, that should also be the meaning of Yahweh. Yah as alive, weh as death.

So seeing the several mysterious similarities with the Hebrew thus, my conclusion of either the Yoruba parting away from the Hebrew a long time ago while the Hebrew were still in Egypt but couldn't remember much if they were Hebrew or not thus leaving Olodumare with no choice than to also manifest himself to the Yoruba since they're also of hebrew stock which he already promised of the Messiah. The other theory could be that the Yoruba are ancient people doing their own things.

On the two principles of IFA, of course Ifa works on binary code principles hence why it always talks about it. A good explanation is no one can reproduce a child by himself or herself alone 😂 hence, IFA's constant emphasis on the "two" theory. That being said, IFA always says the world was created in duality. "Meji la da Ile aye" according to IFA. Obatala (light) and Oduduwa (matter) as two equal halves of a sphere entity represent or formed the earth. While Olokun and Yemoja as two halves of one entity which represent the water body. Even Olodumare has its Ela which is his word. So according to IFA, the universe was created on a binary principle which IFA works on. TBH, the Yoruba are mystery and I don't know how that came to be, which includes the several mysteries connecting them to the Hebrew, not to mention their IFA. So my conclusion is either the Yoruba are ancient people or they parted from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were in Egypt.

BabaRamota1980:
Nice share of knowledge. To the bold, I have some ta-ta-ta knowledge, but they wouldn't get you the answer. Let me copy a very strong source of knowledge on this subject -

absolutesuccess

Let's hear what you think could be the reason for the similarities with the Hebrew.

Tbh, I hadn't given ears to such until I start seeing some similar things such as, the same similar names for God and then Yoruba Ifa which also talks about a Messiah to be born of a virgin woman. That was when my antennae started to rise 😂 Then some similar arts and cultures such as the Solomon knot used for royalties, making the second twin the elder of the twins, Orisha Eshu of cross roads (law of justice/karma for either good or bad decision making) representing the two interlocking triangles which represent justice/karma for good and bad deeds.. Thus I concluded that either the Yoruba parted long ago from the Hebrew while the Hebrew were still in Egypt or they are just ancient people doing their things.

Freshtruth:
Marriage is becoming scaring this day oh God please don't let me.make that mistake of getting married to an okpo wife pls. To marry dey fear me

Lol.

Not even surprised. Wasn't that almost the same lineup which lost against Guinea just before the afcon tournament thus making Peseiro to change several of the players in the lineup just before the first afcon match against equatorial Guinea? I was even surprised at Nigeria team getting to the final of the afcon sef because I expected nothing after the 2-0 loss against Guinea just before the afcon tournament. If that similar lineup lost to Guinea before the afcon tournament, now imagine the same
lineup against Mali?

That being said, Nigeria also need to solve the midfield problem to start with.

BabaRamota1980:
You are correct.

British colonials, while creating regions for self-rule called for each region to use a symbol.

Western region adopted Star of David and Elephant, both of which had also existed as ancient Yoruba treasures, in addition to Solomon's knot, and indeed far more many, passed down from thousands of years of Yoruba civilization.

Eastern region adopted manila as a standard.

Northern region had a challenge finding a befitting symbol. Islam forbids symbolism, so muslim North had no symbol in their antiquity that complies with the Islamic rule. The only standard they proposed were Arabic calligraphies, turned down by the Colonial govt. So Britain obtained the Yoruba symbol to give Arewa for their representation.

To add more, when Nigeria changed currency in the 70s and stopped using Pounds Sterling, we adopted Naira and Kobo. The early version of the Kobo coin was minted in the Yoruba's copy of the Star of David, and had a hole in the center of it.

Yeah. There's also the elephant and star of David while the Solomon knot represent royalties for the Yoruba. The connection with Hebrew is still a mystery to me though.

Btw, Elephant symbolizes strength, wisdom and good service in Yoruba culture. In fact, when a good man dies, Yoruba would say "Erin wo" which means "the elephant has fallen". Meanwhile, the old black Egyptians always revered the elephant to depict their Pharaoh. There's also the talk of "Ivory" palace in Psalm 45:8 which says "All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad". From the look of it, that was talking about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace since his garment was the one scented with the smell of myrhh and aloe.

While I don't understand Yoruba's deal with the Hebrew, considering the similar names for God and some of the cultures however Yoruba could just be ancient people doing their thing. The other theory is they might have probably parted from the Hebrews while the Hebrews were still in Egypt (recall Moses left Egypt and had even forgotten if he was Hebrew or not after he left Egypt until he was asked to go lead out the Isrealites back to Cannan. In fact, he almost didn't want to circumcise his children). So either that or the Yoruba are ancient people.

As for the core Northerners, it was Arab that destroyed the northern culture while replacing it with dumbnesss and stupidity such as drinking camel urine. In fact, the Core Northern language in Nigeria would have been equally eroded and it was already getting eroded, if not for the British (Rupert East) who asked the core Northerners to write their own Northern language. They also had nothing to present at the time the British were looking for symbol to represent the region thus the British represented them with the Yoruba's Solomon knot design. Anyways, the knot represent royalties in Yoruba. Yoruba's major insignia worn on the body are the bead and cowry which represent creativity, integrity and commerce or the "Solomon knot" woven either by beads or designed. The knot were worn by Yoruba kings to represent divine royalties. For example, The Yoruba throne below with the Solomon knot were given to the Queen of England by the Yoruba. The Yoruba throne has the Solomon knot designed on it, including on the seat which has the Solomon knot design surrounded by feral animal design. Another example below of a Yoruba king in his regalia with the Solomon knot. Btw, the swan/fowl symbol on the regalia represent the progenitor and nurturer. Yoruba king also wear white regalia to depict light/wisdom..

Meanwhile, the star of David considered as David's shield for the Israelites represents law or karma for either good or evil deeds. Eshu who's the Orisha of cross roads represent law of justice/karma and decision making (either good or bad) in Yoruba religion for example. The star of David is two interlocking triangles where the one pointing up represent the good deeds going up while the one pointing down representing the evil deeds. However, we all know these are not enough because there are some unintentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to harm others, for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat thus the need for mercy which is what the messiah represents while the interlocking stars represent the law. Well, in reality tbh, law is needed for orderliness and balance in the society. Of course, Law should be without mercy in reality however justice should be rendered with mercy, especially when such cases warrant it.

As I already stated, I still don't understand Yoruba mystery with the Hebrew. Or it could also be that the Yoruba were just ancient people doing their thing.

Jesus description in the Bible is that of a black man. A woolen hair and a burnished brass feet and arms. In fact, his parents wouldn't have been able to hide him in the black old Egyptian country (whose embalmed Pharaohs are all black men), except he was a black man. The Hebrews also stayed in the black Egypt country for several centuries.

The first Human was also a black man and since Jesus represented the first man while showcasing God's mercy, he was bound to be a black man.

Lukuluku69:
The Prayers that will be said for your would be Messiah, who will institute that?

Do your Messiah then need prayers because you are claiming this Psalm for him?

What does he need prayers for?

Prayers made for him means people pray in his name.

Jesus is the word of God. The manifestation of the physical appearance of the word of God and mercy of God. Hence why he's called the begotten child of God. Meanwhile, humans are children of God (Yoruba are called Omoluwabi by IFA for example) however, the word of God is the begotten child of God. IFA calls it Ela or Jewesun, the lamb.

On Mohammad, of course he was a perverted paedophile, a criminal and a useless terrorist who always saw greed and criminality in everything hence why he turned the gospel into terrorism after the brother of his first wife preached Christianity to him. As a matter of fact, that was where the criminal got his Islam idea from. So he added the chunk of Christianity that was preached to him while also adding his stupidity such as drinking camel urine etc and all sorts of nonsense which includes his imaginary perverted brothel heaven and then added his criminality such as stealing other people's land heritage which the Arabs had wanted to continue until they were dealt with by the Europeans.

Dsimmer:
Education isn't slavery. It's an enlightenment platform to enlighten one's mind which is important and necessary. A society without education is hopeless.

That said, Education needs to focus more on the technicalities of it.

First, I hope Nigeria universities stop gatekeeping their technical courses such as, health and engineering courses for example. The universities should allow a lot of students to be admitted into these departments. Some universities would even set up the cut off mark of such departments to 90%- 100% which is quite steep. That's why some of our best brain leave the country. I believe 60% - 100 % cut off mark is good enough for brilliant students to be admitted in such science/health inclined departments while 50%-100% cut off marks can be stipulated for the other departments and in some other departments, 40% - 100%. Point is, it would even be the students who would switch courses if they realised that they couldn't cope in such departments. So, there's no need to gatekeep such departments but instead, efforts should be focused on how to produce numerous technical brains into the society. That's what build a nation.

Hence, education should be more focused on the technical aspects of it. In fact, the universities in Nigeria should have its own industries. Instead of building more school buildings, the university should also focus more on building more industries💥 For example, agro industries combined with large scale mechanised farming, mechanical industries, chemical industries, electrical industries, construction industries, computing industries, Ranches etc.. Imagine if each university have all these?

With these, university Students can easily work as part time students while also getting enlightened. Of course the students have to get paid as they work in the industries to ensure more enthusiasm from them. Thus, the students are enlightened in several areas, which also include the technical aspects therefore, can easily replicate same after they graduate from the universities thereby, leading to a more developed nation. Also, while working in these school industries, the students should be given more room to use their brain and creativity to produce materials, products, machines etc that are useful in the industries, farms, ranches etc.

As a matter of fact, Nigeria Government should empower the universities, especially the federal and state universities to have all these because this will help in the development of the society as a whole, apart from the students, in the sense that it will help to produce several products needed in the society, thereby increasing more production at home. Of course Nigeria universities do produce technical brains (for example, Nigeria health workers are excellent) but it need do more hence stop the tight gatekeeping and also ensure the universities have got more industries, large scale mechanised farms, ranches etc.

As for the secondary schools, artisanships could be included in the secondary school curriculum. Secondary school Students/pupils could be engaged in one artisan or the other, combined with some extra curricular activities 📌

As you can see, nothing is wrong with education. It's an integral fundamental foundation needed to enlighten/brighten one's mind with knowledge, thus making it easier for other useful things to be easily laid upon it.

So basically, Education simply enlightens one's mind with ideas and knowledge. Even prior to the western coming to Africa for example, IFA was already enlightening the Yoruba about a lot of things, such as, what formed the world, what formed the body, the several creative ideas on how to use these materials for the development of the society etc..

That should tell people how important education is.

charlesemeka85:
our midfielder is more than decent and above average in my rating

The trio of iwobi, Onyeka and ndidi then with back up/cover like Yusuf,onyedika, fisayo we re good to go

Iwobi and fisayo aren't central midfielders but attackers. As for other midfielders, if Nigeria are hoping to do well at the world cup for example, a lot need to improve in the midfield. I mean look at the afcon where Nigeria had the defenders to thank for most of the matches, aside the forwards at times? Have Nigeria really done well in the last recent world cup matches sef?

Education isn't slavery. It's an enlightenment platform to enlighten one's mind which is important and necessary. A society without education is hopeless.

That said, Education needs to focus more on the technicalities of it.

First, I hope Nigeria universities stop gatekeeping their technical courses such as, health and engineering courses for example. The universities should allow a lot of students to be admitted into these departments. Some universities would even set up the cut off mark of such departments to 90%- 100% which is quite steep. That's why some of our best brain leave the country. I believe 60% - 100 % cut off mark is good enough for brilliant students to be admitted in such science/health inclined departments while 50%-100% cut off marks can be stipulated for the other departments and in some other departments, 40% - 100%. Point is, it would even be the students who would switch courses if they realised that they couldn't cope in such departments. So, there's no need to gatekeep such departments but instead, efforts should be focused on how to produce numerous technical brains into the society. That's what build a nation.

Hence, education should be more focused on the technical aspects of it. In fact, the universities in Nigeria should have its own industries. Instead of building more school buildings, the university should also focus more on building more industries💥 For example, agro industries combined with large scale mechanised farming, mechanical industries, chemical industries, electrical industries, construction industries, Ranches etc.. Imagine if each university have all these?

With these, university Students can easily work as part time students while also getting enlightened. Of course the students have to get paid for their work in the industries. Hence, the students are enlightened in several areas, which also include the technical aspects therefore, can easily replicate same after they graduate from the universities thereby, leading to a more developed nation. Also, while working in these school industries, the students should be given more room to use their brain and creativity to produce materials, products, machines etc that are useful in the industries, farms, ranches etc.

As a matter of fact, Nigeria Government should empower the universities, especially the federal and state universities to have all these because this will help in the development of the society as a whole, apart from the students, in the sense that it will help to produce several products needed in the society, thereby increasing more production at home. Of course Nigeria universities do produce technical brains (for example, Nigeria health workers are excellent) but it need do more hence stop the tight gatekeeping and also ensure the universities have got more industries, large scale mechanised farms, ranches etc.

As for the secondary schools, artisanships could be included in the secondary school curriculum. Secondary school Students/pupils could be engaged in one artisan or the other, combined with some extra curricular activities 📌

As you can see, nothing is wrong with education. It's an integral fundamental foundation needed to enlighten/brighten one's mind with knowledge, thus making it easier for other useful things to be easily laid upon it.

Nice one

They should take the territory dispute case to court and once decided, it should be enforced with full force. What did the Bible say again? Curse is anyone that redraw anyone's old landmark. In fact, I can't believe some useless idiot still believe they can steal anyone's territory in this age when everything had already been documented. Anyways, take the case to court while using the old map and documents to decide the owner. Once the owner is decided, enforce it fully, which includes the previously decided cases. To prevent another stupid person in the future.

Nice.. Emefiele must be made to return all he looted btw.

Lol. A brothel in heaven?

One of the reasons why I don't take Islam and its terrorist founder Mohammad serious. A brothel in heaven? Lol.

In fact, there are several reasons why I don't take it serious, which includes how the Arab stole the Northern Africa land after murdering the Northern Africans. The nerves!

Another is the lack of Creativity and innovation. It's even funny how Islam spew trash against innovative technology and Creativity while forgetting the fact that the earth is a creative world itself however the funniest thing is how the Arabs end up using the materials which come out of the innovative creativity made by others. Lol. Imagine if everyone had been reasoning like that and didn't make these innovation and Creativity, would there have been any innovation and creativity for anyone to use to begin with?

There's also the camel urine drinking trash which is totally unhealthy for the body. Are these the nonsensical backward unhealthy stuff that the criminal Mohammed is asking others to subject himself and his family to? The nerves!

Tbh, Islam is just so barbaric, backward, unhealthy and full of all sorts of nonsense.

And I repeat, it's quite annoying when one thinks about how the Arabs stole the Northern African lands, after murdering the Northern Africans.

Blitzking:
Iwobi should go home

He can be deployed as a forward.

I thought as much. Rip to them. Ijaw and Urhobo fighting over some territory in that area.

Every of such cases should be taken to Court while using the old map and document to decide who owns the territory. Once finalized on who owns the territory, it should be fully implemented with full force, including the previously decided ones. That's the best way to curb any nonsense from another criminal idiot who wants to act foolish again because it's quite stupid for anyone to think he can steal anyone's territory in this age when everything is already documented.

ahmedio2017:
MUMU, Jesus believed in oneness of God
Jesus submitted to the will of God those are the qualities of ISLAM.

Christianity is a polytheistic religion
There is no similarities between Jesus Christ PBUH religion and that of Christianity use your head oga.

Ode, Jesus didn't recite any shahadah nor worship a stone idol in mecca. Jesus predates Islam and its terrorist founder, Mohammed! Jesus isn't an Arab to begin with.

Christianity isn't polytheistic. It's God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit. God the father who's a spirit was the old testament. God the son was the time God's full spirit without measure descended into Jesus who was the only one to fulfill all the righteousness of God while also asking mercy for people. God the holy spirit is the request of the spirit of God.

Yoruba religion (IFA) is quite similar. There's one supreme God called Olorun Oluwa Olodumare whose spirit descended into several Yoruba ancestors (known as the Orishas) who did great things, even as their cosmos talents dictated, however Ela who's stated to be the word of God was the only one with the full spirit without measure.

ahmedio2017:
Are you okay?

Even Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM
He believed in oneness of God

Jesus ain't a Muslim. Sink that into your brain. Jesus predates Islam and the terrorist Mohammed. Jesus didn't recite any shahadah. Meanwhile, Mohammed got his Islam idea from the cousin of his first wife who preached Christianity to Mohammed.

360command:
this thing really started in Nigeria 99 and I can never forget. The players were mostly from the north. We only had pius Ikedia and julius aghaowa who played well. Nigeria at that time managed to qualify from the group stage but we got out during the second round.

Well, It could be that some players couldn't come to the tournament because they were engaged at their clubs. Eletu for example couldn't have probably come since he's busy with the champion youth matches at his club. Although I wouldn't know if he was called up or not. I think none of the young players who moved to europe/abroad was called because the coach could have felt they were busy at the time.

Anyways, from the look of it, the flying eagle midfield lacked the intensity and were played off the park, just like the senior team' midfield. The senior team's midfield need improvement for example.

SeeWahala:
Kpekus acid very potent stuff

Sleep with your d1ck inside one overnight and wake up to a melted phallus

Lol. That was funny.

shortgun:
The Onni of Ife said
"We have good evidence to believe that Igbo race has its roots here in Ile-Ife. There is Ile-Igbo here in the palace which was not a recent creation but has been existing here for decades. For this and many other reasons, I believe we need proper documentation of our history"

The Ooni said that the Ile Igbo(house of Igbo) has existed in the Ooni palace for thousands of years as the most sacred house in the entire yoruba land. Isn't it an irony that a sacred house will be dedicated to a people who are slaves as you claim in the palace of the most revered monarch in Yoruba land?
I believe you owe yourself a duty to find out from your elders why such a sacred house of Igbo should exist in the palace of the Onni. Mind you there are other places named Ile igbo in other places in Yorubaland.
I won't be educating you more than this, I urge you to seat down with your elders and have a discussion

Well, I didn't say Igbo means slave in Yoruba language. It means bush in Yoruba language. However, Igbo were also discovered in the bush. That was why I said Yoruba could have named the Igbo. Meanwhile, Ika/Agbor/ Kwale term Igbo to mean slaves but who could blame them when they knew that Igbo were caught trespassing into Edo/Bini land until their eventual release and assimilation.

On Ooni of Ife statement, while I might not understand what he's driving at, I know Yoruba do have several Igbo irunmole/Orisha. It simply means the Bush/Forest of the Orisha which are considered sacred. Generally, Forest is considered sacred in Yoruba hence why there are several Orisha linked to the forest which is why Forest & environmental preservation is an integral part of Yoruba culture.

So while I dunno what Ooni of Ife is saying however Igbo has no meaning in Igbo language but means Bush in Yoruba language.

shortgun:
Well, let me give you an insight in relation with what Onni of Ife said about Igbos.
when the world was still young and shrouded in mystery the Igbo were bestowed with the gift of knowledge by the gods themselves. It was whispered among the villages that their ancestors communed with the spirits of the earth, learning the secrets of the cosmos and the intricacies of creation. As the sole possessors of this sacred wisdom they were revered as living embodiments of divine insight and worshipped as gods. In a land where there's scarcity of knowledge the Igbo stood as beacons of enlightenment.

perhaps, the most revered of all was the Igbo's connection to the land itself. As the original owners of the southern territories, they held sway over vast swathes of territory each inch imbued with the echoes of their ancestors' footsteps.
Sacred temples and areas bore their names, sanctuaries where rituals were performed to honor the spirits that watched over the land and its people for many centuries

Lol. I laughed while reading all that. When did Ooni of Ife say all these your conjectures? I had to laugh when you said Igbo own all southern land. Lol. Well, Igbo have been thinking the whole South territory belonged to them ever since they were brought out of the Bush to see the civilization going on outside. That was why Ojukwu and his army attempted to move to the Southwest after he already invaded the Midwest and other South. Lol.

Did you even know that Igbo has no meaning in Igbo language? The name Igbo was given by either Yoruba, considering Igbo were found in the bush or were named by the Edo/Bini who also speak a mix of Yoruba however, since Igbo were caught as trespassers in Bini land before they were later released and assimilated hence why Agbor/Ika/kwale also terming Igbo to mean slaves.

shortgun:
Asari Dokubo is the only known person capable of establishing and running an armed combatant private army in the creeks because he has Federal government's backing as Tinubu the President is his friend. Asari's army will be made up of OPC elements who are familiar with the creek terrain and will not be drawn from the local area for obvious reasons.
Unrelated: Why do you think the word Igbo is present as a prefix or a suffix in names of most yoruba towns like Ijebu igbo, Ejigbo, Ile igbo, Igbo doji, Igbologun, Igbo olokun,Odigbo,Igbokoda, Igboho? I believe your elders have not told you the reason behind this

Lol. You want to claim those places too? Lol.

Igbo means Bush in Yoruba. Now, I'm thinking either the Yoruba were the ones who named the Igbo, considering a lot of Igbo were found inside the bush at the time they were found in the southeast or the Bini/Agbor/Ika/kwale/ etc ended up naming those they caught trespassing into Edo/Bini before their eventual release and assimilation.

Dalohad:
We understand that OPC operates in delta state, they claim Itshekiris are Yoruba. Discreet intelligence reveal that they may be responsible for the killings of soldiers in delta.

Itsekiri are Yoruba. Their brothers are in Ondo state as a matter of fact. All Yorubaland are mentioned in IFA and Iwere is one of them.

However where the event happened isn't in Iwere area but an urhobo land which urhobo and Ijaw have been contesting. Not the first time urhobo and ijaw are fighting. They even fought recently in this month or last month. So it's either the Ijaw, Urhobo or the Ipob who came to Delta because they felt Delta is theirs just because some Igbo were assimilated into Bini/Edo area, after they were caught trespassing into Bini land before they were later released and assimilated. Why did you think Igbo means slave according to Ika/Agbor/Kwale?

Says Attaché by force unity beggar. No one claim South South land more than the Igbo. The nerve!

Rip to them.

Zooposki:
I’m not sure about the politics in Delta state as I don’t live there. All I read online is that the Ijaws are fighting everybody in the Niger Delta. Lol.

As I previously stated, Ijaw land is easy to know. Ijaw are domiciled in Bayesa, a little above Bayesa and the downward part of River. That's Ijaw land.

I don't know what's happening in Delta. I think Ijaw and Urhobo are fighting over some land in that particular area before some later descended on the army in that area. While Ijaw are quite problematic with their attempt to want to steal land which isn't theirs, Urhobo aren't saint either because just like the Ijaw, Urhobo also try to steal land which doesn't belong to them hence why they are called wayo. This is even quite foolish considering everything is already documented. Although I think the Okuama land is Urhobo. Dunno...

All I know is no inch of Warri land can be taken. Let everyone sink that into their heads. Everyone know their history in Deltaa as a matter of fact, even as documented, with the old provincial map. Ijaw came as fishermen who came to fish by the sea but already met the Iwere/Itsekiri (jekri) who are the Ilaje, Ikale and Ijebu who were already there. Ijaw land is mainly domiciled in Bayesa, a little above Bayesa and the downward part of River. Any other areas being claimed apart from these is a criminal act by the Ijaw. They've got no treaties for other land nor documented as their land. So they should know their boundary.

As for the Urhobo (not Okpe who are not Urhobo btw), I know they were captured by the Bini but I dunno how that came to be, albeit some said they were being chased out of their land by the Igbo into Bini/Edo area thus ended up being captured by the Bini after they ran and trespassed into Bini land. They were later set free and released. In fact, that was why they revere Oghene who is Ooni of Ife) since they knew that the Oba of Bini only feared the Ooni of Ife hence they called/relied on the Ooni of Ife (Oghene) to save and set them free. They were later released, alongside the Igbo who were also captured. Anyways, all of them were later released and were absorbed thus are where they are today. Those absorbed in that area speak a mix of Bini, Yoruba and others.

Anyways, everyone knows their boundaries, even as the old map already documented. So it's foolish for any idiot to want to steal anyone 's territory in this age.