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Myer:
I'm impressed that you said all this.
If truly you've not fallen several times for the same sins you judge the bible characters by, then don't worry, you'll eventually understand.
Even though I hope you wont.

Did you see Enoch fall or Joseph or Noah or Daniel?

If you are looking for persons who did not fall, these ones did not fall.

Myer:
The moment you judge someone, you will be tried with the same trial they went though. Trust me.
Which was why Jesus said, do not judge.

That's the beauty, sweetness and elevation of walking in accordance with God's Commandments, Statutes, Ordinances and JUDGEMENTS, for now, you can be judged by those judgements.

And having complied with them, I love to be Judged by them

BUT HOWEVER, I PASSED NO JUDGEMENT HERE, I simply laid before you if you shall ever answer a person who disregarded your opinion.

kpakpandoN:
The Scripture contains a lot of "fear not" statements from God to His people. Fear is one tool the enemy finds most useful in making the children of God suffer failure, pain and destruction of destiny...

FEAR belongs to all who do not Truly Have Christ.

The Presence of FEAR is the Proof that you are evil and a child of Satan.

Myer:
It's easy to judge bible characters until you find yourself in their shoes.
By the way, asking God for clarity on any of these issues is not foolish.

We are exactly in their shoes!

Myer:
Asking God for a solution to your personal problems and problems of others is also foolish to you?

Would you ever answer a person whom you told "go right" when it mattered but the disobeyed and went left and is now asking you for help complaining about the problems he has met on that way he chose?

I would never answer you in fact I shall laugh at your calamity and mock your failures. He is Truly Good for staying Silent!

But I will not be able to bear the fact that you did not listen to me at the relevant time.

Myer:
Foolish questions you say?
Can you point out any of the questions I raised that was foolish?

All these
"You didn't ask him why Leah Sharibu who stood up for her Faith against BH was neglected by God to become their slave wife.

You didnt ask why Northerners keep ruling Nigeria to ruins.

You didn't ask why Istael, his "chosen nation" is a mess.

You didn't ask why Covid-19.

You didnt ask why children are allowed to die daily.

You didn't ask for a solution to the myriads of problems in the world or even the solution to the problems in your family."

For He wondered how a thinking people can choose evil rather than the Good.

shadeyinka:
If I understand you well,
I sleep every night religiously, therefore is my religion also sleeping?
I almost never miss my dinner, is my religion also supper eating?
I almost never late to work, is my religion promptness to work?

I must have a thousand and one religion by your definition

You do understand me well for I clearly paid my respect to the distinction between "Involuntary" Doings and Voluntary Doings!

shadeyinka:
The OP was linking religion to CONTROL...here is where the Politics comes in.

Do you real-eyes the you keep changing positions? From "what is religion to what the Op said to context of definition now to Op was linking" moving all over the place.

shadeyinka:
I sleep every night religiously, therefore is my religion also sleeping?

I almost never miss my dinner, is my religion also supper eating?

I almost never late to work, is my religion promptness to work?

Define things according to its context

It is settled that Religion means " Doings of Peoples" but can Involuntary Doings such as sleeping, eating, walking be considered religion, since they are also doings by people? This is a T-junction and people can rightly go either way, so I do not care to participate in it.

But very clearly and without any iota of debate, ALL VOLUNTARY DOINGS ARE RELIGIONS whether praying or having sex or refusal to have sex with a person who is not the wife/husband, murdering, worshipping a deity etc are all DOINGS OF PEOPLES!

Bilabong:
Are u a Jehovah witness?

No!

But the Bible Truly says "New Heaven, New earth with Light Forever and yet No sun and Darkness, New men (those who were not found guilty by The Court) with New Form and all our present memories wiped out and expunged.

Permanent Direct Rule of God, no delegated rule as we have now and His Laws Continue to be in Force.

justfrankz:
The context is a Christian’s manner of life. There are PROFESSING Christians that still live like the devil. They do things worldly people do. They go to places worldly people go to.

That is why I told you that these people are not Christians.

Christ did not these things so if they are following Christ, which is what Christian means, it is therefore not possible that they shall do these things.

Those who do these are never Christians.

And you used the accurate and True word "PROFESSING", exactly as those people who because they have applied for American visa have therefore professed themselves "Americans".

But we all know that they are not.

So is it with these people who do these things, THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

Christ Followers (Christian) NEVER Do these things, for they are following Christ Who never did these things nor went to those places.

justfrankz:
If a Christian cannot conform to this world, why will the Lord warn us about it in Romans 12:2? “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

Why did the Lord tell Christians to separate from the world in 2 Cor.6:14-17 “…Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

These are the Classes and QUALIFYING Exams which Applicants for Christ Followership MUST PASS BEFORE THEY CAN BE GRANTED ENTRY INTO THE MEMBERSHIP OF CHRIST FOLLOWERSHIP exactly as no one can enjoy the benefits and privilege of being a Doctor, Lawyer, Surgeon if they have not "Written" and "Passed" their QUALIFYING EXAMS.

And we have seen many who have called themselves doctors, lawyers, CSO etc but are not.

And they are all called Fakes and are Guilty of Impersonation and the Fraud of Misrepresentation.

Also Any who was Previously Qualified and returned to these things will be expelled from The Membership of Christ when found guilty.

Thus, once again he who is expelled is not a Christian, exactly as expelled students, doctors, lawyers, workers etc are no longer members of the followership from which they are expelled from.

elated177:
You just had to say something, right?

Yes, I like things to be perfectly captured.

elated177:
Even if it made no sense.

Wisdom is always beyond the reach and understanding of people who do not know a lot.

The great value of light increases in darkness and in darkness, when you have no light, everyone knows that you do not have it.

So it is either you have light or you don't. It's as simple as that!

justfrankz:
Thanks Dtruthspeaker for the clarification. Man won’t justify God means man has refused to justify God but is trying to justify himself as the Pharisees did. Men think they are right and God is wrong.

Okay, but they think all kinds of things and all their thinkings land on a position where they are Anti-God.

tfrancis:
***Only believe God and who he has sent to you, Jesus Christ. God is with you! Have a wonderful day!

Saying this has never worked and will never work, that is why all of them finally went to the worst class of being Anti-God!

shadeyinka:
Then, What is the religion of a person who reads his books religiously?

Simple: The seriousness and devotion and regularity of reading "his books"!

Reading his books, is his DOINGS, hence his religion.

shadeyinka:
Can you see legends and God in his context of definition of religion?

First, we all know that Oronto is "unwell" and imbalanced therefore, I did not follow him.

But the Topic of the thread is clear which "What is Religion?"

And he could submit the narrow view but I will still come to present the wider and all encompassing view against him and anyone who narrows it.

Secondly, he too, in that very statement also went beyond the narrow view in saying "Religion is RelatinHng to Legends and the Application of "LET THERE BE LIGHT" IN POLITICS..

So there was RELIGION before POLITICS. THERE WAS GOD BEFORE PEOPLE POWER AND POLITICS.

IT IS GERMANE FOR RELIGION AND POLITICS TO FREELY MIX. IT IS SEARCHING FOR EXTREME WISDOM IN HUMAN FEELINGS, THINKINGS, REASONINGS, ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS."

And the matters those highlights are concerned with are not restricted to "in the context of WORSHIP of a deity!"

justfrankz:
The greatest sin of Christians is conformity to the world’s system (Rom. 12:2) so they would not appear to be “a peculiar people” or be ridiculed (1 Cor. 1:21; 1 Pet. 2:9).

Stop keeping people from getting to Jesus by the way you live your life.

“I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.” (1 Cor. 10:15).

Sorry for annoying you, Christians "Never Conform to ways and dictates of the world"

And many are not Christians, at best they can called "Christ Applicants".

And because of this Application, they think to call themselves Christians whereas, "their Application has not been Accepted by Christ".

So they are exactly as those people who have applied for American visa calling themselves Americans even before their application is granted or denied!

shadeyinka:
Please always define a word in context.
The question of the OP was "what is religion?" in the context of WORSHIP of a deity!

Op did not say "in the context of WORSHIP of a deity!"

He said "What is Religion?"

haekymbahdx:
so in short because your doctrine can't justify God make yours the true doctrine..

I am certain he is saying "can't justify God' means men never listen to God nor Obey Him and therefore, they always pitch themselves against Him.

But the TRUTH is Still Seen even in the Rebellion and Resistance.

shadeyinka:
It is not just any activity that constitute religion except it is connected to a deity Such activity is simply RELIGION!

And this is where I disagree with you for religion WHOLLY and BROADLY means "a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion." which also includes and covers the myopic and narrow view of all ACTIVITIES/DOINGS connected to a deity.

Which is why we rightly say "Joe read his books religiously or Sammy religiously tuned to his favourite channel"

The wider view swallows up and encompasses without any remnant, the myopic view.

MrBrownJay1:
there are 1000s of religions/gods on this earth, the fact that you would dismiss others as false and yours as the truth is the reason why you would believe in false doctrine,,,, there are no such thing as false doctrine, there is only DIFFERENT RELIGION!

stop trying to pretend that, out of 1000s of different religion/faith/gods, yours is the only true one. thats not only narrow minded, but thats also very stoopid.

There is false doctrine, Blatant Lies, half-Lies/Half-truths and The Truth, The Whole Truth.

It's a buffet out there and people are gonna have to learn how to choose right or they can continue choosing the option or options they like.

justfrankz:
The reason why people believe false doctrine...”

Simply because they hate what is adverse to them and love what they wish things to be.

shadeyinka:
It is certainly about what people DO!

So do people do watching football every Saturday or clubbing every Wednesday and Friday or whoring every first Friday of every month.

And these religions have nothing to do with "getting the approval, commendation or favour from the divine".

And they are exactly Doings Done by People!

truespeak:
Hmm, he did the same to me!

Men, I no go near the guy again, he can continue his tells of evilstances, it is after all his lamentations and his eagerly waiting audiences.

shadeyinka:
Dont forget that religions differ widely from place to place and person to person...

As long as it is about the Doings of People, then I have no objection.

shadeyinka:
The muslims who believe in physical jihad will see it different from you. They believe that they receive the favour of allah when they kill apostates and non-believers. Within every religion, there could be many different operations

We are not looking at religion how a particular person would view it but how the reasonable ordinary man everywhere knows it to be.

Which is the Doings of A People or Peoples. (Regularly, I add)

truespeak:
I have not said anything different from what I said yesterday and if I did I trust you would have pointedly showed me the difference!

It is rather that I simply answered your attack on my person and now you see you spoke hastily and unwisely, you run to say I said different things to hide your goof.

On Isreal being in the Wilderness, again I patronise you and repeat what I and Dtruthspeaker having been saying to you, that All men are first in the Wilderness!

Then when God comes into your Life, He leads you through the Wilderness up till you Arrive at the Land flowing with Milk and Honey!

But you do not know this hence you speak as you do.

To think that Isreal was first in the wilderness via Abraham "leave the wilderness of your father's house where he had nothing" and isreal in the wilderness of Egypt for 430 years plus another 40 year making 470 years of suffering.

Well, it is his choice to continue in his wilderness.

Canvass:
Religion is what people do to be in harmony with self and nature. Politics is what people do to be in harmony with others based on principle of self preservation.

"Self preservation" is the word!

Also, it is not always "in harmony" though it is supposed to be.

Lostchild:
The self in both often leads to self centeredness and selfishness, bastardizing the initial noble intentions.

It is under this description that you see that people are truly unfair, unjust, unreasonable and very very wicked!

judemurphy:
What you are saying is the spirit breath into man during creation, It is different from the Holy Spirit

Did I not put John1:4; Genesis 2:7 together?

Lostchild:
Can you use insult to hurt a stone?

Can you throw a stone at an aeroplane on ground?

Even if you do throw a stone at an aeroplane, will your stone stop the plane from flying to its destination?

You mean you went BACKWARDS to my
answer 2 ANSWERS BACK to respond a second time, after I have answered you and you responded to it?

Boy are you cursed with Backwardness.

And for the second time, I am not insulting you, but your display, performance and stories clearly proves one who is Cursed.

And telling an infirm stranger whose acquaintance you have just met that he is infirm is not an insult.

Lostchild:
I never knew I was cursed. I only know that the word Himself (Gal 3:13) has removed the curse of sin from my life.

The curse of sin in my life has been removed by Jesus at the cross (Gal 3:13)

By coming a curse for me: Christ has redeemed me from the curse.

And if you have been truly removed from the Curse, you would not be under the Curse exactly as a man plucked up from shiit waters is no longer in the shiit water and neither does he smell.

But if you are still smelling foul and screaming for help, then you have not been plucked up from the shiit waters.

But no wahala if you say you are fine, then you need no help, so I leave you be.

hakym619:
I have never seen such congregation with so much venom and hatred in my life for their fellow human being and so much disrespect for each others Deity undecided

Ain’t you supposed to be propagating messages of peace and goodwill and salvation to Atheist and non-believers and people sitting on the fence undecided

Aren’t your Gods whom you have both abused and belittled with every despicable name under the sun supposed to be revered more than your earthly Fathers and Mothers undecided undecided undecided

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By busybody2 , 2009.

Tends to happen when everywhere you look and turn to, people are very wicked and evil, even the ones in your very house.

All doing wicked and evil things to each other, just like that.

So people are just being alert to evil they know is coming for them and that is supposed to come to them.

elated177:
...Just shine, servant of YHVH Almighty. Just shine.

You are light. Just shine!

Just like most of the messages my Father in heaven has used me to disseminate here, this is exclusively for his servants.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

When light no dey, you no fit ever shine.

And many have had their light, endarkened, so therefore, it is impossible for them to shine.

shadeyinka:
Very wrong.

Religion is what people do in order to please or seek the favour or approval of a devine being.

The above is the common to every religion in the world with no exception.

Hindus will not eat cows
Muslims will pray 5 times a day
Christians will go to their churches
etc

You said the answer then you altered it and made the whole answer bad.

You highlighted "what people do"which is what religion is.

Peoples Doings and (Peoples Regular Doings I say)

So you spoilt it by restricting it "obtaining favour from God/gods".

For as you said Muslims will pray 5 times a day also follows the religion of murdering non-muslims which has nothing to do with obtaining favour from divine being but a direct religion of armed robbery and joy for killing.

Candidlady:
How you guys do it


Asking for change during offering


You dropped a thousand naira and then tell you usher you will need 900 naira change

nothing wrong really because offering means will full given. And so if a person has willed to give N100, he is truly entitled to receive the N900 his will did not cover.

And truly his offering is no one's business.

judemurphy:
Yes Paul was filled with the spirit,but those languages you mentioned were not inspired by the spirit. He learnt them

Remember we always have The Holy Spirit with us which is why you see the words "FULL of The Holy Spirit". John1:4; Genesis 2:7

The word is "FULL".

It is not because man never Had The Holy Spirit but that it was as "Battery Saver" to is, for we would be exactly as a dead phone if we had not The Holy Spirit in us.

But when Full both normal and above normal things would also occur.

truespeak:
All who have escaped the Wilderness, truly know and rejoice in that they have found Paradise.

Like a soul whose great hunger and thirst is quenched must lift up a sigh!