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I think its about time we all come together and support this kind of move.

Be it a Church or a Mosque, they all constitute a nuisance if they cannot "play their Music or their Preachings TO THEMSELVES, INSIDE THEIR CHURCH/MOSQUE!

Why must l listen to a Preacher-man's noise when l have decided that l have had enough dose of religious preachings, for myself?
Why must l be woken up by that rude cry of call to worship, every morning when l may just have arrived home from work (like people who work nights) and needed a sound sleep?

Dont Christians and Muslims know when to go to church/Mosque to pray (at least they can set their alarm clocks to remind them!)
You attend some churches and you come out with a pounding headache because the "Shout Halleluyah" noise level is crazy! I remember my baby used to shiver regularly in church (and at 5am when that silly Alfa starts blaring from his horn-speaker) when the Pastor starts shouting into the Microphone, just for "effects", abi we told him we were deaf?

BTW: I think we can all emulate the Jehovah's Witnesses. I have passed by their churches and have even visited friends whose house was located next to their place of worship and even though they use a Public address system, it is turned-up such that it covers only inside the church.
That is what l call "sensible worship" without becoming a nuisance to others.


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Caveat: If it makes you happy, let me say that l am not a member of the Jehovah's Witness Sect but if we must be truthful, l am sure you'all will agree that they dont cause noise pollution like our churches and Mosques!

Yes, Jehovah's witnesses don't worship a deaf God neither do they have deaf worshipers. They realise what noise pollution is and the adverse effect of it on the immediate environment.

js_pac:

Akụkọ ịfo

do u use Igbo keyboard? How did u come about the vowel dots?

I stay in Onitsha, Awada to be precise. When I saw this topic on front pg I quickly ran arround down to Upper-iweka only to discover that it was only a little harsh protest. I even used the upportunity to inform my numerous Hausa neighbours for them to take 2 flight cos this may turn 2 another thing if it's allow unabated.
watching from the 4th floor of my house into the barracks, very close to Oraifite st. Awada, many Hausa are there for safty.
Nigerians should know that we are very tolerant pple and can't shed our fellow blood. U ppple need to see how we passed the infor 2 Notherners and security agencies to curb the heat.
My question is, why would an Hausa police illiterate kill a hard working family man going about his biz? @ this perplexing time in our country, why the Hausa?
Is this another Boko style of chalenging the Igbos in their territory?
When Uwazurike said that most Nothern police(esp. muslims) in the East are Boko Haram, many viewed it as the ranting of a Lunatic.
Fingers cross!!

Val has pagan origine. Early christians did not celebrate it, niether our master Jesus. All the iniquities associated with val is a sign that God's spirit is not in it. Therefore, true christians should avoid such ungodly observance and stick 2 the ones endorsed by our Lord, namely, rememberance of Christ death.

this whole thing is simple, women are not to speak and that's final. It's even saves them a whole lot of energy. Good for them if u ask me.

for God's sake, what is this topic still doing here? Moderators abeg, we take God beg u, move this topic to the front page. A lot could be inspired by it. Thanks!!

FreeCoacoa, I want say that u are making a wise decision. Request a bible study with them and u will never regret it. Most claiming holy spirit here have not read their bible since this year not to talk of reading it cover to cover in their life time.
Like the Beoroans, search out from the bible to know wether u r doing the right thing, pray for Johovah's holy spirit to guide u. The truth is that, if u are sincere in ur search and are made up, Jehovah will let himself be found by you.
If u have a relative JW, meet with him/her, and if not, don't worry they are everywhere in ur neughbourhood. U can mail me on ezeafurukwe@gmail.com for further discusions and questions from u. Thanks!!

claremont:

We don't know how the house came about, neither do we claim to know how it came about; but what we do know is that a belief in a God/gods does not explain away how the house came to be. If you do believe that because you see a house, it then means there must be a builder somewhere, the real question is how then did the builder come to be?! Who created the creator?! Surely, it is foolishness to assume that the creator conjured up himself!

if u believe that there must be a builder, but ur problem is how the builder came about, then I think u have identified ur problem.
After taking a good look @ urself and seeing how beautiful ur are made; looking @ ur brain how it works, ur eyes, ur cells, molecles etc oh common, there is definitely an intelligent creator. His name is Jehovah. He has no begining and end. That is the God u must worship.

Sweetnecta:

frosbel is to unsure of himself that he is running between Jesoul, manmustwac, etc, etc, to keep his threads what he deems okay in his mind. He hates voice of dissension. Where will this one track mind lead you? While you are fighting a losing battle here, Alhamdulillah, Allah is changing the minds of people into Islam in Nigeria. From authentic igbo bloodline, we see people entering Islam, even now.

Carry on your e-christian warrior mindset. You will be defeated, inchaAllah.

How do Islam convert people? Do Islam preach?
Everyone knows u have continued from where ur leader Usman Dan Fodio stop(killing and conversion by force) that is not proper. The same way most of u are thinking(which u expend ur resources pursueing) about the conversion of Igbos to Islam is same way millions of Northerners and core Hausas are leaving ur violence infested religion for the better. Keep chasing rat while ur house is on fire.

claremont:

Human beings do NOT need religion to define morality for them, the capacity to do moral actions is innate in all human beings. Why should I rely on a religion whose entire premise is based on human sacrifice and celestial dictatorship to tell me what it means to be good/bad?! The reason a belief in the existence of a deity is NOT necessary to live a good life is simply because a God/gods does NOT exist anywhere. God/gods did not make man, it was the foolishness of primitive men that created a God/gods to explain away the origins of things they did not understand. Unfortunately, this same primitive thinking is still being upheld by supposedly highly educated people today, it's simply none-sense!

morality is acquired bro. What do u know about NATURE and NUTURE?
If u happen to be wandering in a big forest and saw a well built and painted house, would u conclude that the house had no builder?

Greggj:

seconded!

let's look @ it this way. Some one wanders in a tick forest and comes across a very fine beautiful house. Will it be sane for the person to reason that the house came by chance and had no builder? Can someone answer me

tpia@:

@ duke4ever

the question was why do people who reject God live seemingly happy lives.

My point wasnt that all of them live happy lives, but that many of them can teach christians a thing or two when it comes to things like personal ethics, priorities and self discipline.

That's all, and no need for argument.

Actually, not all who claim or appear to be Godly are really. Many belie the claim by their conduct. My point is on giving one's life a meaning, pinning and defining it. That can only be possible when one learns about God and his son Jesus Christ. John 17:3.

Jenwitemi:

If the gods of the world religions are the basis for determining whether certain people are "godly" or "godless" then christians like you should also be considered as "Godless" because you do not accept the islam's Allah as God in the eyes of a muslim. And the same will go for a hindu who will also see you as "godless" for not believing in Shiva or Vishnu.
What do you think of this, duke4ever? How can your life have a purpose without Allah, Shiva or Vishnu?

I know u can also ask if it's possible for someone's life 2 have purpose without Chineke or Olise. The last time I checked Islam talkes belief in Allah as the one and only true God. Sure we may have different names, but his real and original name, which no man nor other gods can bear is Jehovah. Psalms 83:18. Understanding the basic facts and truth about Jehovah God is the problem in the world, hense the confusion and differences. Pls do understand that not everthing that wears the toga of christianity is a true follower of Christ Jesus.
May be we should have a little look @ the authenticity of the bible as true word of God the almighty.
The bible was written by some 40 different men over a period of time and places. Despite that, through the inpiration of the Holy spirit wrote God's thaught, and not theirs.
For instance, the song composer king David we read wrote about his adultry with the wife of Uriah, Abigeil. In a bid to cover up his sin, killed the woman's husband. Jehovah later punished him for that. Unlike other writers David exposed himself and the cosequencies therefrom to server as a deterent to others.
Another example is the Apostle Paul who was a foremost persecutor of Christ followers before he got converted. This and many more he put down in writing. I could go on and on, but let me go to another part.
The Bible scriptures, despite being written in different places over a period of time still agree with each other. The scriptures written in diff places and circumstances do not contradict each other in any way. Most of them alluded from each other's writeup to a make point. No wonder the bible says that men(that wrote the Bible) spoke as they were borne along by holy spirit 2Peter 1:21.
Another fact is the fulfilment of biblical prophesies. All have been accurate and unfolding as it gets. Let me point out some of the recent prophesies we see fulfiling now.
Great majority don't know why there is turn of event in this time starting from 1914 till date. The first world war came, destroyed, and calmed with the help of some peace keeping organizations that erupted thereafter. When it was taught it was 'uhuru' another bloody war dashed in, the 2nd world war in 19 fourty something, claiming oceans of blood which many religeous leaders were @ the forefront leading and killing in the name of God. Too bad!! After this, other fractional, religeous, ethno-religeous, sectarian, terrorism(even in our own country Nigeria) war continued unabated till date. The bible shows that things will continue to be bad until Jehovah wades in fully. Read about it @ Matthew 24:3-14; 2Timothy 3:1-5. Read it with descernment and u will come to understand that there can never be any other true word of God accept the bible. Ever tried Jehovah's Witnesses in their teaching of the truth about God? I pray thee, do.

God promised that soon he will destroy man's Government, Daniel 2: 44 and install his heavenly rulership which will reign to time indefinit.
He also says that humans will inhabit the earth again under his rulership when this earth becomes a paradise. Wicked men causing terror and all sorts bad things shall be cut off from this earth. Psalm 37:9-11, 29; Rev 21:4. This must shurely come to pass. We have abundant evidence to believe this as a fact coming from Jehovah himself.

Find out about his true religion on earth today.
1 They don't engage in politics(they believe and proclaim christ as the rightful king of God's kingdom. That's the only one they campaign for.
2 They don't engage in warfare of any sort be it religeous, ethnic, racial, national, or whatever
3 They believe in an only true God and his name is Jehovah. Psalm 83: 18.
4 They take seriously the command to preach the goodnews to people of all the nations, doing it exactly the way their master Jesus commissioned it to be.
5 Their daily lives and living as christians is governed by the principles found in God's word the bible.
6 They do not eat blood. Leviticus 7:26; Genesis 9:4.
7 They believe that soon earth will turn paradise for humans to inhabit viva. Rev. 21:4
8 They worship only one God, not Trinity.
I can go on and on, but let me stop here for now. you already know the religion am talking about?
To cap it all, we need Jehovah God in our lives and we need to find his representative religeous organization on earth that possesses the above listed qualities found in his word the bible and associate with it.

joyuchesun:

Man can live without the god of the bible.
There are many gods mentioned in the Bible, but the one talked about @ psalms 83:18, Jehovah is the only true God and deserves to be worshiped. He is the author of the Bible who inspired 40 different men over a period of time to write the bible. Okey!!
 And oftentimes it is better that they do.
It's not better, and will not be. Such life is devoid of purpose.
 Because the bible is solely based on the interpretation of the reader, some who have interpreted it in a negative way, have created a god that instructs or compels them to do terrible things.  This god, man can live without.  

Yes I agree. Some have interpreted the bible wrongly making it hard for some people to discern the real truth of the bible. Ever come across this book 'What does the Bible Really Teach', published by Jehovah's Witnesses? Am reading it now and the information therein is quite timely and accurate. Jehovah's Witnesses in ur area of dimicile can get it accross to you.

joyuchesun:

Man can live without the god of the bible.
There are many gods mentioned in the Bible, but the one talked about @ psalms 83:18, Jehovah is the only true God and deserves to be worshiped. He is the author of the Bible who inspired 40 different men over a period of time to write the bible. Okey!!
And oftentimes it is better that they do.
It's not better, and will not be. Such life is devoid of purpose.
Because the bible is solely based on the interpretation of the reader, some who have interpreted it in a negative way, have created a god that instructs or compels them to do terrible things. This god, man can live without.

Yes I agree. Some have interpreted the bible wrongly making it hard for some people to discern the real truth of the bible. Ever come across this book 'What does the Bible Really Teach', published by Jehovah's Witnesses? Am reading it now and the information therein is quite timely and accurate. Jehovah's Witnesses in ur area of dimicile can get it accross to you.

tpia@:

@ topic

1. the same reason why many christian marriages end in divorce while many non-christian couples are living happily together even though they dont know Christ.

it all boils down to discipline, personal ethics, and moral values.


2. happiness is a very subjective term.


3. your thread title has two questions in it.

i'm responding to the 2nd one.

the answer to the first question is no.

what u are talking about is 'self-righteousness' and discipline. No doubt, some people who do not live by bible principles more often than not appear seemingly happy. If u check my prevoius response, you would see some Biblical injunctions portraying the other side such people's live as opposed to the one on the outside.
Remember that marriage as ur only example is not the only christian living.
I'll give an instance from the bible, and u if borther so much ask me the qoutation later.
During Jesus' earthly ministry, we read of a Rich-young-man who came to him and enquired: ''Lord what will I do to inherit God's kingdom?'' Jesus in answer made reference 2 the mosaic law, mentioning the ten commandments of God like stealing, fornication etc, and asked the man if he has been keeping all of it. The fact is that this rich young man has be living by this mosaic law and keeping then as a tradition and not even recognizing the author of such law. But Jesus recognising what was missing told him: ''Go sell all u have, and come be my follower''. The man saw it as an insult and left Jesus. Jesus was in a way telling us that there is more to being self righteous or keeping common man's tradition as law of God the almighty.
If living by human philosophy and self righteousness were the altimate, Jesus wouldn't have come to rescue man from sin by his propitiatory sacrifice.
My brother, many marriages fail today across divides of belief, there is no point making it exclusively christian thing.
Living a self-righteous life is not the in-thing. There is more to that my brother. Nice sunday.

yes, everyone needs God in his/her life, but what is more important is having the right knowledge about God, coz as they say: 'All that glitters is not gold'. Any road that comes with seemingly godliness may be false.
First of all we need acknowledge that Jehovah created us as an expression of his love, and understand that he is the supreme one who deserves our exclusive devotion.

Jenwitemi:

People only reject the God put forward by religions like christianity simply because they are repulsed by him, bigot frosbel. Read the OT for confirmation. And yes, man can live without the bible god. It is even quite easy to do so since billions have been doing it for a long long time and they are still doing it.

what is the meaning of this sort of life(Godlessness) without a purpose? If u have ur bible, I would like u to check Psalm 37:9,11,34.
Dude, this life is not all there is. There is reward - good or bad, for all our deeds in life. Jehova loves you and want you 2 draw close to him and also serve him out of love not the morbid fear of the purported 'fire' punishment which is only but simbolic in any usage of it in the bible. The punishment for sin is death, shikenah!
@ topic, a faithful servant of God in the past wondered also why the evil or wicked people prosper. That was Asaph. It got to a point that he became dissapointed and discouraged 2 carry out his God-given task. But the truth behind this seemingly prosperity and success against belief in God is miserableness and purposelessness of their lives. Read it up @ Psalm 73: 2-8. He later came to see the other side of their lives @ Psalm 73:15,16.
Eventually, Asaph came to realise what was in store for the wicked(practicers of sin) - that Jehovah would ultimately set matters straight. (Pasalm 73: 17-19).
David also wrote: "Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, and he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the (sinners) will be cut off, you will see it." - Psalm 37:9, 11, 34.
There a no reasonable person after seeing the marvelous creation of God would still believe that there is no maker that deserves to be praise and worshiped. my pence

frosbel:

^

Only 'children' resort to name calling.

Forbid it that I should resort to your type of juvenile behaviour.

Argue your case with some maturity, a little will suffice.

hey! Easy now. He only bared his mind.

M M M:

otu nne gi

Nkita rifolu gi Nsi, gi bu nwa na anughi ara nne gi nke oma. Chukwu mere gi ebere EFULEFU

biko nu umu Igbo, ka anyi ghara i na ede 'etc'- et cetera, kama ka anyi na ede 'wdg' - Wee Diri Gawazie, mgbe obula anyi na ede edemede Igbo. Igbo di uso ma oburu na anyi sua ya nke ome. Ka chi fooooonuooo!!

Igbo bu Igbo ekele mu unu! Nuo nu! Rie nu!
Abu m nwa afo ala igbo si na Osumenyi na Nnewi south, Anambra steti.
Anyi n'asi, de eme, daalu olu oh!, muo nee, na muo nna.
Biko ka anyi jisie ike n'ikwalite asusu Igbo. Asusu anyi agaghi anwu. Odi ka aga asi na ndi no ebe a di ka Adrew Uwa na ndi ozo bu ndi okenye. Ma na anyi bu ndi ntorobia(okorobia) bu odi-n'iru(future) asusu Igbo. Oburu na iji umuntakiri, gbalisie ike inye ha ozuzu na ome-na-ala anyi ya na asusu Igbo. Ka ha ra bu ndi n'eme m'obu g'eme nka, Chineke gozie unu mmaji-kwulu-mmaji.
Ndi Igbo kwenu! Yaa
Kwenu! Yaa!
Kwezuonu!!!! Eeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

Club-haram

chino11:


Envy will kill you. At least Onitsha now have a port. Your state remains the poorest in the SE and SS, what can say about that??

quite unfair u have 2 put down other and teardown ur own just for cheap ego inflection. Just 2 tell u that u r not more Anambra than most of us
@Igboboy, just forgive Chino or better still ignore him.

[b][/b]Any person that opens his stinking mouth 2 utter that SW has the highest literacy level must be dwelling in F's.P,

@Chyz*
I dey feel you my dear.

Am frm the South East, but like the idea of Anioma State. It's either Anioma or Oshimili State or no State @ all from the East. What is this Ohaneze even thinking sef? Are selfish or something? I think this is a joke within Onitsha and not nation wide.

Obi di m uto na umu nnem ji asusu Igbo eme ihe ebe a. Ka anyi jisienu ike ooh!!!

Jehovah we dey your hand ohh!!!!

Must we reply Ghana? We are too busy for this. Can Ghana equal one of the major ethnic groups in Naija? U pple have disappointed and deflected my ego by carving time out of our busy schedule 2 reply Ghana. Ye ye

This system has been known to be very effective in most Western Institutions of higher learning, and I have this hunch that it's gonna work here as well, unless we are still ok with our usual cramming and offloading a whole textbook during examinations.
For God's sake, what is all these ''give me what I gave you'' syndrom of many lecturers in the Universities, thereby breeding pepertual crammers rather than students of proper cognitive ability.
With this system, I don't think any would want to borther about examination mal-practices and related offences prevalent in most institutions.
Moreover, Open-system examination will go a long way to encourage students to acquire all the necessary requirements to pass through a course rather than the ''area-of-concentration'' of a rubbish(cheap way to cut corners).
This system from what I gathered may not be as easy as some may think, but surely will foster students to be ardent researchers, always desiring and exploring newer concept.
Rather than have some lazy lacturers feed students with moribund and out-dated lessons passed on to them by their predecessors, I strongly believe that this system can suffice, which will produce sound researchers in our high institutions and not receptors of moribund and recycled ideas passed from one academic session to another.
I don't know what your take on this is, but you can help by posting a quality responce to counter or adopt this system.