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kmariko: That is UK, in some other climes, A nurse practioner, a Physician assistant or and advanced Pharm.D or Nurse can see you first before the MD... It is the choice of the patient not the doctor who the patient sees first...
Medicine is a product and like any product it is the patients to choose and not be forced into a choice they dont have to make.

and something else I dont understand Why this sudden fixation on doing something that is not in your scope? Roles of pharmacists and nurses are defined... simple.
maybe the people in the NHS trust in uk are fools for running their working system the way it is.... insurance is universal, peop,e are well taken care of the right people so nobody cares about msc or phd, they just want to know ur training and whether you are licensed to do some certain things... guess nigerians have their own style of legalising quackery

kmariko: That is UK, in some other climes, A nurse practioner, a Physician assistant or and advanced Pharm.D or Nurse can see you first before the MD... It is the choice of the patient not the doctor who the patient sees first...
Medicine is a product and like any product it is the patients to choose and not be forced into a choice they dont have to make.

in nigeria, we legally have what we call CHEWS and nurses in primary healthcare, they do phc work because doctors are not enough to cover rural and unreachable areas. Same happens in u.s. patients dont decide, they use what is available because in the end govt has to make sure some form of aid is available.
CHEWS (maybe ur idea of an assistant) have a rigid guidelines book they work with for diarrhoea, cough etc... I've never heard them agitating or wailing in nigeria like u guys because they know exactly what their role is...google it.
getting a pharmd or whatever does not endow u with the necessary skills to see pts... boldly post your qualifications on a sign board near to a hospital with a qualified physician and let the patient choose like u said...

omotfavy: u are a bloody liar,in my own facility we have patients dat are been taken care of so stop saying wat u donno

yeah... taken care of by patrolling about them bedridden patients... health professionals turned security men with no initiative

Dnaz: POLITICAL PROFESSIONALISM; A MISPLACEMENT OF
PASSION AND ABUSE OF PRECEDENCE
I remember in 2005 when I applied for an admission to
study Medicine and was offered Biochemistry. I rejected it
and applied again, this time I was given Chemistry, the
“Bio” was removed, lolz. I was again offered Physiology/
Pharmacology in almighty Unijos (great is the name), I
reluctantly accepted it this time but told myself I’ll go
back for medicine after graduation. Two years into this
five years course, I fell in love with it. The difference is not
much as it is a combination of medicine and pharmacy.
The same lecturers for medical and pharmaceutical
students gave me lectures, including practical. After
graduation we were inducted (oat taking), sent on
internship – just like medical doctors.
Note: we used same lecturers, lecture halls, same
textbooks (Gython and Hall, Tripati, Ganon, Rang and Dale
etc.), same laboratories etc. with medical students
because we were doing almost same course. The fact is
that we are health practitioners; the truth is that we are
NOT medical doctors as there is nothing like “almost a
medical doctor” you are either a medical doctor or u are
not! After graduation, some of my class mates who
suffered the same fate as me went back for medicine but I
didn’t see any reason anymore to do so. They went back
because they knew they are not medical doctors despite…….
I did a double honor course n I am happy today that even if
I’m offered an admission with a salary to go and study
medicine today, I will not go. It’s only “no do wells” that
envy other people's profession.
I also remember few years ago when there was this
“madness” for everyone to study nursing. Men and women
went into the nursing profession because there was a high
demand and pay for them in the U.S, Australia, and U.K
etc. nobody talked about the doctors cos nurses were
“popular demand”. My question is, can any JOHESU show
me any of these nurses over there that is or was made
CMD? There will always be an order of precedence. This
is arrant nonsense, madness! No matter how a recruit
thinks he knows how to write statement or handle cases
more than a DPO, he can never head a division. JOHESU
should stop this fight of jealousy, envy and professional
encroachment! It doesn’t make sense to me or to any
reasonable and just person.
What i see in the health profession now is what I call;
Political Professionalism; office encroachment;
Misplacement of Passion and Abuse of Precedence.
People should learn to tell each other the truth. JOHESU
needs to be told the truth. The leaderships are using your
finances to better their lives and tell you they are fighting
your course, which course? License you as doctors?
That’s only when you can head a hospital. That’s just a
misleading fact, the truth is that it’s not late for you to go
back to school and become a doctor.
How on earth do people think, with their anus? How can a
certified medical doctor take directives/instructions from a
nurse, pharmacist, herbalist, mechanic, etc. all in the
name of JOHESU? What would you do in that post? This is
simply envy and jealousy but out of place cos I remember,
in my 200level we were almost 90 in number but in
300level we were a little more than 70. In graduation, less
than 50 made it. Many voluntarily withdrew cos to them
the work load was too much for just one certificate, others
were asked to withdraw cos they seem not to belong there
with what they were putting in.
By tomorrow, even babalawos and witch doctor, people u
studied physical n health in education will want head
hospitals; after all they’re even doctors by profession,
lolz. The gap is so much that doctors can do without
JOHESU but I bet you, you can’t do medicals without
doctors, let’s be frank. Isn’t it obvious that while doctors
are on strike people lament and beg doctors to come back,
are you not there JOHESU? I think that tells you where you
belong. If JOHESU is as good as NMA why will patients
cry the absence of doctors from hospitals?
Today people are dying in the hospitals just because one
man has refused to stay in his place. I know JOHESU
thinks they “know the job better than doctors” that’s a
fact. The truth is, no matter how big a butterfly grows, it
can never be a bird “let every man stay in the profession
wherein he is called and be the best there, to avoid noise
making” why won’t nurses make auxiliary or nurses from
nursing schools Chief Matrons? After all they are more
practical than the B.Sc nurses!
Let’s respect each other’s office. We need each other but
the order of precedence must be observed and respected.
If u still think what a doctor can do, JOHESU can do better,
I tell you, you are only being sentimental not rational.
And if you still want to head a hospital, that won’t be a
problem but pls, go back to school. But if you think that’s
too much at this stage, pls go and hug a transformer.
# sosayslolo

the writer has a good head on his shoulders

prettyprettywow: I attended the same university with medical students. We studied together. We all know whats up among ourselves. Stop deceiving yourself and the public. We know what happens after their MBBS exams, and how most cross over. Don.t forget that I had them as friends in school.We still have people in studying physics, aeronautic engineering, mechanical engineering and they have not committed suicide. You can tell this cock and bull story to the market women. This is how we used to hear about how hard anatomy is before we entered school. No be the same anatomy I do with the medical students in the same class and same exam? mtcheeeeeewww. Days are long gone when we hear this kind of gist. Commit suicide indeed. suicide is a psychiatric problem let me tell you. And people have been committing suicide without going to medical schools.

As for speaking in tongues, in my school, student nurses spoke in tongues more than other students because of their council exams which is a standardized exam in this country.

So because defenders hardly get as much as a striker, does that make him inferior/less important?

I just checked, all your topics since u registered are about doctors, your wailing and beef knows no bounds and you'll do anything to justify why u failed out and couldnt make the cut. Suddenly u are wiser than all the people flocking to read medicine after you failed.
if readers on this site doubt me, you can check her topic and posts on this site and see how her fixation on docs bothers on being psychotic... you need help
and please, if u never really experienced an mbbs exam, dont talk about what u dont know... o I forgot, u probably failed out
Please, tell people what you finally read, speak about your course and yourself for once proudly so that people are inspired to join you and make sure none of your kids reads medicine in the end like uou all push them to..

PerfectFortune: Go and die!

hahaha... chant of the illiterate oppressed, keep it up, your herbalist will be impressed

PerfectFortune: Go and die

What I could pick from your name is " dumb".

hahahaha... guess i hit an exposed sore spot... and all you do is swear instead of meaningful arguement, and you want us to take you seriously

kmariko: The point of the conversation is not about mistakes in diagnosis... Very common I might add. It is the ability to of different areas to work based on learned aspect of their work. We are not talking about a physician asking an RN about a diagnosis but patients asking others besides MDs about a problem. Please don't confuse the two

ok, just one question. are you trained and licensed to be receiving questions about a patient's illness? what exactly were you trained to do? you claim drug, you claim patient oh boy, which one you dey
in the uk, your GP must first see and even decides whether you need specialist care.
do you know that if i havent seen a patient directly and examined, i cant even prescribe. how do you ask a pateint a few questions then safely decide? you guys think its easy ba? its high time nigerians started suing everybody, doctors inclusive, so that all the rubbish quackery in nigeria because of poor enforcement of regulations will stop.
even, sending prescriptions by sms etc to patients you have not seen directly is wrong... patient-physician relationship is personal

PerfectFortune: Sorry to burst your bubbles!

Everything I wrote was done in less than 2min as I was already at work, did not even have time to prove read and I bet you can't do better.

I challenge you to a contest.

Oh, I don't contest with babies. Sorry about that silly. To hell

hahahaha ... here he goes again, now who's the baby... see inferior being being weighed down by his complex... u need a fight to validate yourself abi? if that was your default state even in a rush... you suck. and you're still doing it again... please who else is seeing what this guy is typing . go and fight to improve your self so that you can contribute meaningfully to the development of nigeria... not ranting

angela98: hmmm u too spoil.I just dey suspect u...

lool... i'm very professional in 'all' i do with waists
who never spoil? when dem don they show u privates for textbook and live since 2nd year

prettyprettywow: What other requirement do aside JAMB and O'level? Do students require another set of exams before going into medicine? Every department have their own JAMB cutoff point, but that doesn't mean that one is superior to the other.
Healthcare is like a football team. must the captain always be the goalkeeper because all the strikers, midfielders and defenders must come to him? will you say that the midfielder is more important than the striker, or that the goal keeper is the most important? Is the captain of the team no longer to be chosen by virtue of leadership, expertise, managerial experience and character/integrity any longer? Are we saying all the other healthcare professionals are absolutely devoid of these attributes. Everybody is working towards one goal which is patient care.

@ the bolded, read it again from the side and ask yourself whether you wrote this. the way nigeria is going, one day people will want to be cbn governor from the streets... besides they have Waec shebi?
healthcare is not like football... one day someone will say the judiciary or university is like football...hmmm
if you have not worked in a hospital... dont bother replying

kmariko: So also are doctors who confuse anxiety for indigestion or aggravated a simple food poisoning with a bucket load of antibiotics.. It all depends on who you are talking to. BTW there is this thing called second opinion.

please stick to what you know and stop shooting in the dark for answers to things you dont understand... confuse anxiety for indigestion? aggravated simple food poison with bucket load of antibiotics? dude stop trying to impress people by exaggerating, you actually sound weird, no doctor will talk like this, none... the guy you replied is right, stop diverting attention and ranting. a pharmacist trying to treat potentially serious right lower abdominal pain is WRONG! patients may even require emergency surgery and she's there pouring over her EMDEX. anything is possible with abdominal pain, when i say anything, i mean anything.doctors make mistakes just like everybody, they are human too, but your examples are wide off the mark
besides that, second opinion from who? second opinion from a pharmacist about a diagnosis? never heard about that... i can go ask questions at the pharmacy about a particular drug i intend to prescribe but i wont go discussing abdominal pain and it causes with a pharmacist... he doesnt know jack shyte about it and the possibilities

prettyprettywow: The same way Doctors hurriedly discharged all the patients during the strike.

patients on the wards actually decide to go on their own... they know who is who

angela98: Abeg, dey should debate quickly so that I can have one of this handsome doctor examine my waist pain joor. NLanders pls keep updating us of the debate. Since one months now, we no get light na torchlight I dey use.

show me the waist ... i'll examine it for free if it fits the criteria ...lol

rotadeco27: Why is FG making doctors feel so important by challenging them to come for a public debate. I think their consultant nurses, pharmacists lab scientists and others should be able to uphold the hospitals and run them effectively .however if FG eventually dances to d tone of NMA johesu will want to embark on a reactionary industrial action.then we sha know who is indispensable in the hospital.They shd just leave without locking the patients folders,theater suits wards, power house.I promise dat they wil b forgotten at home. WHO is the mother of all health institutions in world,all it D.G have ever been medical doctors.Nigerians shd not allow FG to use politics to sink our health sector.NMA should fight it to the meaningful end.

public take note, the bolded is how johesu effect their strikes... they lock up wards and equipment but we still manage to do our work
now, they rusting at work and no one is interfering...or locking up things or chasing patients away... so to the public, your 'healthcare professionals' are currently on duty and the hospitals are open, consult them

kmariko: ..
1. Ward visits are hospital dependent, A pharmacist can initiate a ward visit on his/her own, so also other therapists, they do a permit from anyone as long as they document their findings
2. In modern medicine doctors only make decisions where there compitence lies... in most modern hospitals these days, all the MD does is diagnose and leave the drug, dosage and etc to the pharmacist.... also, Physician assistants even cover for the doctors in most cases.
Things have changed since the 18 century

who changed them? please give examples, especially about number 2 in your post, and stop writing conjectures like they are confirmed info... STOP MISINFORMING THE PUBLIC FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN...
diagnose and leave drug and dosage to the pharmacist? who does that? never heard about that ever so you're talking bullocks... and every doctor develops his own practice and style, apart from the documented protocols, he knows what works for him...
even on the educative medical shows on tv... i've never heard about this

DebateNigeria: Wow.. You can really drive home your point without being too emotional.
I have been able to witness the schedule of a medical doctor and I was marveled. The next question that came to my mind was what is the life expectancy of an average Nigerian doctor.
Sincerely speaking, those in the teaching hospitals and general hospitals are working like machines.

i guess you are one of the informed nigerians that have been on the wards before and watched what happens... thanks for understanding and may God bless you

Opusy: It Iڪ so disheartening that τ̲̅ђe highest paid workers(Doctors) will still wake up asking for more from D̶̲̥̅̊ govt. And even striking 2 bend D̶̲̥̅̊ hand of FG forgetting their primary aim of saving lives. Mos of dese docs have private clinics opened with D̶̲̥̅̊ cash they get from D̶̲̥̅̊ govt. Nobody hates them, they hate τ̲̅ђe pple they're called 2 serve.
They should go 2 dia former primary And secondary schools And take a look at how τ̲̅ђe teachers who built their interest .i̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ Medicine are suffering.
Yet they open dia dirty mouth 2 vomit rubbish.

point of correction... doctors are not the highest paid workers in nigeria... please do your research well before posting online
i dont know where you get your info and statistics... are you well?
and your writing is disheartening ... please if you want people to take you seriously, improve

PerfectFortune: The OP may claim not to be bias in his judgment but in my opinion, he is very bias.

To begin with, I don't think ppl hate Drs cos it's a title anyway but the attitude of the holder of the title. For your information, majority of the ppl don't like Nurses either part of the reason which has been stressed out already by the OP but they seldom disturb us Strike actions and selfish demands.

I am not saying there are no competent health care providers in the country, it won't be fear on them but the majority of them are incompetent.

I can safely say 70 percent of the so called Drs are incompetent but they want to be treated as gods.

Majority of the Drs working at various govt owned hospitals also work elsewhere either at their own private hospitals or get a job with a private hospital all to the deteriment of the poor masses who frequent the govt owned hospitals.

In most govt owned hospitals, you hardly find a Dr that practise the true essence of the profession but those that are arrogant, selfish and complete cheats.

Take the FMC ebute metta for instance, patients rush to the hospital as early as 5.30/6am to pick nos so they can attended to and return home early enf as it is not like anybody likes going to the hospital anyway but the Drs stroll in around 9.30/10am with no apology the long waiting anxious patients (since they beliv they shld be worshipd) and by 1pm they stop consultation till the next day leaving for their various private hospitals.

If I should start talking about their level of incompetence, the whole page will not contain it as there are even on several occassions where they are corrected by Nurses (on medication prescriptns).

In simple terms, ppl don't hate Drs but the attitude of the holder of the title. They are arrogant, selfish, incompetent, cheats and the big bang, "Killers" going on strike to divert patients to their private hospitals.

I will keep saying it, herbalists are better than most Nigerian Drs..

i'm being nice if i call you a ranting fool... you are one of the worst cases of clear ignorance forming knowledge, cant even write clear english and correct tenses

see... public hospitals are overwhelmed by too many people in nigeria and too little doctors. go and check the WHO doctor patient ratios and ask you father whether he kept your personal slave in the hospital . doctors like me 'stroll' into your little myopic frustrated world/viewpoint at the clinic by 9am because we have been working till then on the wards , accident and emergency and in the theatres even before you entered the hospital. thats why i always say that patients that have problems that get them admitted in the hospital wards understand what happens in the morning before clinics.
people of little intelligence perceive others as arrogant... that's normal, inferiority complex can be conquered with a little counselling which you certainly need... i can feel the weight of your cerebral cortex in your dribble... it feels like blended mush in the carton you call skull
if you feel doctors are incompetent... stop crying on this page and take action,its a free world and nobody forced you to wait long hours in public hospitals to see them... go and pay more in private hospitals like lagoon or go and see your herbalist...simple

sexyexcalibur: the hatred is not only in Nigeria... even in the US doctors are hated because the public thinks they are paid excessively despite the global recession..... doctors give their life for you in training, the pressure in medical school can be so much that even the best student this year might be withdrawn the next year.... most of those who hate doctor's have their reasons, I understand that,but the generalized hate is not fair at all..... despite all this hatred , a doctor takes solace anytime he saves a life. the patients gratitude gives him the feeling I can't explain.... the fact that the Number of students applying for medicine increase yearly gives him assurance..... and yea, the fact that some of this health professionals were withdrawn from medicine or refused the course when they applied shows him he z privileged... we don't care about those who hate online..we care about those who come to us... they love us, and that is enough

gbam!

Janiobi: When you guys starts saving lifes first than bodring about the registration and hospital fees b4 operating on patients then we would care for you guys...Imagine an injured person runing to a nearby hospital to receive care and Died right there cause he had not the money to pay for his treatment,So he was not responded too. W.T.F is going on with doc?

universal insurance that will take care of such a scenario is part of the reasons doctors are on strike. ask yourself if you're insured, quit ranting and stop being emotional, be rational, think, save money and plan for that time that you will need help instead of investing in big cars and other frivolities or rather call your fg to help you. do you know how many patients abscond from hospitals, nigerians dont pay after treatment, it is in our nature, we rather use the money for thanksgiving in church because the doctor was made to be humanitarian and treat you for free.by time a good number of the type of emergency you described runs down the hospital, you and the public wont bail them out... the hospital is also a business that has debts too... rent, nepa, equipment, drugs do not drop from heaven, they are bought with money. maybe banks should start giving free lifesaving loans too

nationwide24: I think this strike is an opportunity for JOHESU to really take over hospital management as doctors are empty vessels. No need for this debate.

very good point... they should go ahead... i wonder why they're busy ranting on this thread... bunch of jobless people, the same bunch opening threads about doctors all over the place, trying hard to create an importance that is not there... talk about yourself for once ... if you're so important, quit ranting and do your work in the hospital na, thought that was what you guys wanted... doctors are out, oya healthcare professionals do your own... see patients too... that's if you have any

Morotov1: She was before the advent of recent withdrawal of the consultancy post and before her appointment as NAFDAC boss. Do not downplay the fact, the site you pasted confirmed that she was appointed consultant in 1996 at UNN college of medicine.

nobody's downplaying it, was never aware there was or she held such a post in UNN, and not UNTH...hmmmm...ok

Morotov1: Please check out Dora's portfolio.

ok... i'm sure you meant her profile not portfolio
anyway, below is what i saw on wikipaedia and i'm guessing that's where u got the info[/quote]Dr. (Mrs.) Dora Nkem Akunyili, who assumed office on the 12th of April 2001, as the Director General of National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control (NAFDAC), is a Pharmacist, Pharmacologist, Erudite Scholar, Seasoned Administrator, and a visionary leader. She was a Senior Lecturer and Consultant Pharmacologist in the College of Medicine, University of Nigeria, Nsukka (U.N.N.), Enugu Campus, before she became the NAFDAC boss[/quote]i'm not taking anything away from Dora, but number one, this profile is not up to date... she was a professor. secondly, the senior lecturer and professors are the recognised university appointments. I'm yet to meet a consultant pharmacologist, and consultant positions are for either hospital appointments(maybe UNTH not UNN, not sure but it may not have been possible then) industrial or contractual for organisations.
wikipaedia is open to all for editing, so even wrong info dey there.
now the link below seems more authoritative...read it
http://www.doraakunyilionline.org/

Morotov1: Don't quote that premed here because it is far from it. A first degree in anything can enter medicine in US with a good MCAT score which comprises of some human biology, organic chemistry, general physics etc just like we take jamb here. Normally takes six months or more to get from a community college including your bacalareuate degree it serves as a prerequisite.
Emphasising why your training is so hard and mind-boggling in comparison to others is making medicine a ridiculous joke.
Dora Akunyili was once a consultant pharmacologist, so are you going to tell me that your six months of pharmacology is more rigorous than what she spend a good number of years studying.
Get down from your high horse ...

Dora was a professor of pharmacy in UNN and head of NAFDAC, i'm not aware that she was a consultant pharmacist, it is supposed to be an appointment and not acquired. 'Medical' pharmacology is not pharmacy so no basis for comparison... pharmacy certainly has other courses that involve how to produce drugs, dispense etc etc that will certainly take longer than your time interval. And pharmacology in my med school was not done in six months, dont know were you get your info from because i didnt say so, can obviously see you are not in this country or familiar with programme here. The courses ran concurrently for 1-2yrs with your clinical posting etc... and any point in time, your are reading more than one or 2 courses and doing some postings... no high horse here, just relaying information.... the same way u talk about U.S, i dont have detailed info about there premed system anyway.
wonder why u think there's a high horse
wetin u read self?

Morotov1: Oh noooo, that is not extensive. Earlier, before you gain admission for medicine you must have a degree in one of the basic medical science. Now telling me that human biochemistry, anatomy, microbiology, and physiology was done extensively for you in 2 years .....ooooo certainly yout don't know what extensive mean.

when i say extensive, i mean extensive.... its in the degree of work done...no semesters, no defined breaks, continous work, serial lab work, cadaver(dead body) dissection, scope finished, books read... exams = passed/failed/demoralized and so on. maybe you should buy a form and try to get in to see how it is. in nigeria, u may come with a degree or transfer from another course if exceptional with good cgpa. in united states, premed do short degree in biological sciences or anatomy(about 2-3yrs) before continuing with medicine. i guess its for them to have more academic career options or to have an alternate career if they dont make it . we had degree holders, some first class materials in my class and some didnt make it, many dropped out and this is just the first professional and simplest MB exam.
what else is your definition of extensive? some blokes read 4 yrs on handout without even knowing what's in standard books, take long breaks in between semesters... like i said, my year one was pure bliss, my last major holiday... people who got into medicine already knew what they were in for, it's sparta... that's you need high scores in entry exams to get in
NOTE: 2nd MB is 3 courses not 4 like you listed- its human anatomy, physiology and biochemistry.3rd MB(4th year) in my school was pathology and pharmacology plus your first long surgery and medical posting. pathology is the biggest- 10 courses under one umbrella and microbiology was one of them

Morotov1: If you learnt biochemistry, microbiology, pharmacology and the rest which all encompassed into one takes a total of 12 years to complete in 3 years and even has the effrontery to call it extensively then you're one of the major pproblem we have in health sector.
On Nurse practitioners issue 18 state have given them independent, and some of them works in tertiary institution

he has the effontery because it was really extensive, stressful, painful and heartbreaking for so many. people ran mad reading... and i know how many times i finished the textbooks for the 3 courses in 2nd MBBS exam in less than 2yrs before facing the bloody exams with heavy casualties, and the emphasis is on humans... human biocehmistry, human physiology, human anatomy... not plants, goats, sheep and aliens ... in contrast, the year one program we shared with faculty of sciences was laboriously slow... chem 101 was a few pages in a book blown out of proportion and spread out to last a semester ...so many irrelevant details stretched out for miles which could have been better summarized... we were so bored we tore the place up and broke the record for A's... d days for results were always fun . if your brain no reach, say so and conveniently fail out like you probably did so that they can arrange one subcourse for you over 12yrs

MeAboki: In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.
Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because:
you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field
you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it
you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.
you want house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody.
You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you.
you want to take over control importation of laboratory reagents & equipment - even though there is the laboratory regulatory body (MLSCN) as provided by law
you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.
you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.

And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?

phoneys spend so much time explaining themselves with useless analogies... who dey the same house with u abeg park one side... blood and engine oil no matter how red u try to colour it cannot mix... find your own village for your tribal chiefs with phoney titles.
and who said house officers and residents were students? your paucity of knwoledge amazes me and you posing like u know stuff about the health sector degree bearing working individuals are now students? if so then nobody should be paid too in the quackery sector. for your information, if u dont already know, house officers are also called interns...that name familiar to you? dumbo

this is just a sign of the coming chaos in the country- johesu versus nma, polytechnics versus universities etc people trying hard not to be what they were set out to do, very actively promoted by poorly trianed mediocres more interested in titles. very soon it will permeate the judiciary, and one day even the uneducated vocational/technical guy eg my roadside mechanic, will wonder what advantage those with education have over them... stupid country...lol

Ziondebade: @armadeo, the truth is bitter. It is only in your country that doctors think its their sole rite to administer prescription, while pharmacists are unimportant to them.

i dont know where you got this impression ... do you work as a pharmacist? we physicians prescribe drugs, pharmacists review, verify, discuss with physician if any confusion, compound, check for errors, quality control... dispense, they are professionals and are highly respected unlike some undergraduate quacks on this page forming that they know much. many work in pharmaceutical companies too, some produce lotions and methylated spirit used in some hospitals... and many are my good friends. what i dont get is what else do they want?

phantomm: they would rather die than have privatization. I want to know how pathcare is faring in luth. if privatization works,why not try it?

phantomm, pathcare has taken their jobs... patients with the dough prefer to go there because of fast results. meanwhile, the tribal chiefs in the health care sector who want to be called professionals sit around and point fingers at the doctor. i apologise profusely to patients when they complain about how they are treated and that it takes weeks to get results

s!s! afrika:
u are soundiing hurt and pained. Take a chill pill. Laffing hard. And pls, go and operate a CT, MRI or even Xray. Make d films also. U can do d work of a radiographer shey? Even as house officers, nurses teach u how to set IV lines cos u blockheads arre too dumb to knw how to in ur entire 6yrs. Na me send u repeat? Spending 7 years aint mafault, u chose d route nd u must bear d brunt. And pls, go to d pharmacy and compound d extemporaneous preps. U can do a pharmacist work now? Empty tank

dont know about what you know but the radiologists i know operate their machines, it's part of the training... they also need time to go over the images and interprete so someone has to fill the void inbetween...simple, and voila, it's a radiographer . a nurse never taught anyone i know how to set an iv line... u were a bigger blockhead in the first place to be where u are, now you are bitter, deal with it... and make sure you push your kids into medicine as usual ...loool
one of their big chief's son in medical lab whatever was my intern so many years ago... dude was hiding through out because we wanted to know why dad didnt allow junior to follow him, sure he will be proud of his dad now