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@Newmi

The meaningful contribution is exposing 419ers and MOFs - men of fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze1cIgP3oRY

Look at Ashimolowo trying to con KICC Ghana and then demanding dollars at the end.

Why do you think he is asking for dollars ?

1) Because 1 dollar = N150
2) If challenged, he can claim God told him so.
3) Both of the above

You are right, number 3

These charlatans will be laughable if not for the damage they are doing.

There should be a special branch of the police dedicated to arresting these charlatans!!!

@Joagbaje

Why dont you comment on the video ? What are you afraid of ? Is 'healing in his jacket' ?

@Joagbaje

Go and sit down. You have been proved to be a liar and cheat - is that christ like ?

@Frosbel

Thanks, I do not know how to embed videos. Nice one.

It surprises me that people in the face of overwhelming evidence refuse to see the truth. Na wa o!

@Image123

Why would I want to edit anything ?

Oyedepo IS A CHARLATAN - in that video HE IS ROBBING peple. You can take this to the bank.

@Image123

Oyedepo and the rest of his ilk are charlatans. What busiess does a pastor have preaching 'Financial Empowerment'   ? It is all an elaborate scam. Pastors should be winning souls for christ - there are business schools and banks a plenty to help people get rich.

Again before you comment why dont you look closer at Oyedepo - in the whole series 1 - 8, he is practically holding a gun to peoples heads asking for money.

HE IS A CHARLATAN - WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR HIS PLANE ?

He claims God told him to buy it

@Jogbaje

Abeg go and sit down jare - are you trying to scare me. I am shaking now NOT!!

Read this:

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

More stuff on Creflo 'Money' Dollar :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5CZer3tVc&feature=related

Right at the beginning of the video - he lies about the rich man who spoke to Jesus - he says the rich man got a hundred fold back what he gave (or if we are more charitable to him implied that people will get a hundred fold back what they give while on earth) - that is a lie!!!

Look at verse 28/29 below - Jesus said:

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Passage:

The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

@Image123
If you dont really listen to him - how do you know that he is not demanding money for his church. Listen to the whole thing 1 - 8 before you accuse me of lying.

If you dont care how he gets money for his plane - I DO. You cannot fleece the poor to be flying in a plane. It is WRONG.

@gbagudara

It is Chris 'Jerry curls with american accent but I have never lived in america' Oyakhilome

You know how the prosperity charlatans scream that divorce is wrong blah blah blah

Well Benny Hinn is in the middle of a divorce and he was pictured holding hands with a fellow charlatan - Paula White.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDSVObU-F1M

@Mabell

I prefer not to do insults. wont it be easier to explain WHERE DID HE GET MONEY FOR A PLANE ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9U_lWmAsYM&feature=related

I think I will take a break for a while - to let the prosperity guys defend Oyedepo, Dollar and Hinn.

As long as people are not afraid to see the truth - these guys will be exposed.

@gbagudara

I have watched the whole thing 1 to 8. He is scaring people into giving the entire thing.

WHY DOES ANYONE NOT ANSWER - WHERE DID THE MONEY FOR THE PLANE COME FROM ?

as promised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMHXickQDc

@Image123

So because he did not specifically mention tithe (in the video) you dont think he is talking about giving to HIS church. Did he at any point say take care of widows, orphans or even your own elderly relatives. NO he did not - he is a charlatan trying to frighten people into giving money to HIS church. How can he afford his plane if not for all the tithes and offerrings ? There is a saying 'You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time' Oyedepo and his fellow charlatans have been doing this for too long - you cannot keep extorting money from people for personal gain - it is wrong and criminal.

I repeat WHERE DID THE MONEY FOR THE PRIVATE PLANE COME FROM ?

@alexleo
Change the title ?  Are you having a laugh ? why would i do that ? I believe Oyedepo is a 419 charlatan so my title stays
If you feel bad for me singling him out - dont worry if I have time I will do exposes on his fellow charlatans. Watch this space

@Joagbaje

Giving is indeed good. That is why I said the church should give also (by building free schools and hospitals) abi ?

But you said earlier in another thread 'the church is not a charity ' but you want individuals to be charities - make up your mind!

@Joagbaje

SO now you concede you dont have to give, to prosper. We are making progress 

@Image123

Please watch the video when you get a chance and come to your own conclusion.

Secondly you say 'if you have nothing to give you'll not prosper' - what sort of christians are you people. You have been so brainwashed and confused that you are equating povery to sin. What is the basis behind 'you have to give to prosper' ?? Also when you say giving does not have to be to the church why dont your 419 pastors make this clear ? What they do is called 'misleading by omission'. These guys are experts in manipulation.

Oyedepo is a particularly bad pastor boasting about his jet plane on the pulpit (he can be dismissed as a quack by lack his lack of humility alone even before you start to notice his money grabbing cons).

Listen to the start of this video - Oyedepo says prayer/fasting does not work if you want to prosper. He says it only responds to 'tithing/giving'.

So in effect if you have nothing to give - you will never prosper.

Why do we still allow this charlatans to preach and appear on TV ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmlN8GnmeUY&feature=related

@Joagabje

You make a good point about greed and covetousness.

Dont you think it is greedy for pastors to drive big cars and fly in planes when their congregation are struggling to pay for bus fares ?

Regarding what I believe in response to your questions:

1)Are you saying it's not right for Christians to prosper? Christians can prosper but Jesus christ did not come for us to 'prosper' in that way. Christ came for us to prosper spiritually. If we prosper materially as well there is no problem - but Jesus did not die on the cross so that we can drive BMWs and fly private jets. The prosperity gospel has only being able to grow rapidly by convincing people that riches/good health are an automatic result of christianity - this is very wrong. Good people can be poor and good people fall sick and die. These pastors are selling false hopes.

2) Are you saying it's wrong to give to ministers[/b]It is not wrong to give to ministers. It is stupid however to give to ministers who clearly have more than they need (with Jeeps, private jets, jerry curls etc). Why should a driver/messenger/domestic servant give 10% of his salary to the pastor so that the pastor can buy a private jet? GO of RCCG is driven around in a Bentley in London - why ? He does not even live in london but there is a Bentley on standby here! Does this make sense ? Why do Oyedopo/Adeboye/Creflo/Hinn need private jets?

[b]3) Are you also saying it's not scriptural to give in churches.

It is right to give in churches if the following are met

a) People are not scared into giving by pastors misquoting the bible
b) People are not told to pay their tithes instead of paying bills
c) People are told the truth about tithes - it is not a requirement of christianity
d) People are not promised returns for giving
e) The church does things for the community like free schoosl and hospitals
f) Pastors do not fake miracles


I was listening to Oyedepo recently and he managed to use a whole sermon to basically scare people into tithing and giving money. In the process of doing this - he managed to misquote several verses in the bible. He also said something very stupid - he said people should not borrow money - why then do the offering envelopes in pentecostal churches have credit card sections ? If my salary is not enough for me to live on (like many Africans) - how do I pay the tithe they keep on demanding ? Steal

The pentecostal churches are at a crossroads - you can only fool people for so long. It is time for someone from within to stand up and say enough is enough.

@Joagbaje

Wrong again. He was not just dealing with money or material things(why are you guys so obsessed with money ?). The passage is saying treat people like you want to be treated which could involve giving. Why dont the pastors say give money to charity for hospitals, schools etc. Why does the money have to come to them ?

Giving is a good thing but I refuse to give money to a pastor to buy a mercedes benz and fly in a private jet.It is criminal to do that when people are dying from malaria and lack of drugs.

By the way regarding wealth - this is what Jesus says:

The Rich Young Man

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”

18“Which ones?” the man inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’d and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’e”

20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

27Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

28Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or motherf or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Why dont the properity guys preach this ?

@Joagbaje
I think you are protesting a bit too much about this ID thing - makes you look a bit guilty

Anyway reply to my post about the bible passage - let me see you try and twist it.

@KunleOshob
Thanks for the heads up on Joagbaje

@Joagbaje / @AKHOZEM
I was going to take my time and reply you but several people have done it very effectively. Just one point the scripture you quoted:

Luke 6:38
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

This scripture has nothing to do with money. It is the scripture often used by prosperity pastors to con more money out of people. The passage is actually part of a longer passage dealing with Judging others. Preachers often quote verse 38 but they never start from 37 which puts verse 38 into context:

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

This is how the prosperity pastors take things out of context for financial gain.

@Joagbaje
Thanks for answering my questions. A few points:

1) You say pastors are wealthy because they are christians - and if you give you will receive, so why are there still poor christians - because they dont give enough ?? How wealthy are you ? I suspect you are not as rich as the pastors, why dont you give more ? maybe 50% of your salary - then you will be really rich abi ? If you believed what you just said - you should infact be giving away most of your salary if not all.

2) Ok so you think the wives of Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilome, Ashimolowo, Dollar, Hinn etc were all called by God ?? Listening to the wives preach - in some cases it is clear they have very little theological knowlegde. You need to be more than the preachers wife or son to be a preacher. Benny Hinn is going through a divorce so is Paula White - if they were 'called', do you think this would be the case ?

3) Let me get you right - you think it is right for people not to pay bills, taxes, hospital bills etc, instead they should pay tithes ? In that case the churches should produce evidence that 10% of the people who pay their tithes have had their bills paid supernaturally. If they cannot do this, then it is wicked to keep on milking people this way. By the Elijah was starving as well so at least he had a reason to ask for food, what exactly do the churches/pastors lack ?

4) I know how much they earn because in the UK there is a charity commision where churches and other charities have to lodge their accounts - http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk. The salaries I refer to have to be published there - check it out yourself. For example this is KICC's link : http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1102114&SubsidiaryNumber=0

5) THEY DO NOT NEED PLANES - for what ? Is is their money they are using to pay for it ? those planes are at least $4 million each to be conservative. Do you know how many africans die from malaria, thyphoid, lack of drugs in hospitals ? It is wicked to see all that and still think the best way to spend money 'donated' is on planes and expensive cars ? Where is the compassion ?? Would you spend money on a new car if your children were starving or ill in hospital ? These pastors like to be called 'daddy' - do they behave like any loving or responsible father you know ?

6) If the tithes are not spent on charitable things, what is it spent on (apart from planes). Is the money kept in a room and never spent ? Is the money burnt ? What do they do with the money ? It is criminal and wicked to milk poor people.

@winiamanda

What do you mean by 'good proof' ? have you looked at the videos on youtube ? Please look at the videos and consider the following:

1) Is Ashimolowo really saying God told him to ask for $1000 in Ghana (where the legal tender is cedis)
2) Do you think God will bring annointing by people kicking money ?
3) Benny Hinn healing people by waving his coat around, really ?

If you still need more proof, I can point you at more videos in Youtube.

So why do the prosperity preachers always tell us to give first ? Why do they insist on poor africans tithing ?
These preachers are doing damage to many people and turning people away from christianity.

@Azibalua - you asked why ?

This is why,

Ashimolowo boasting about how rich he is and then asking for $1000 dollars at the end -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze1cIgP3oRY

Creflo dollar and his friend dancing on money -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMHXickQDc

Benny hinn healing -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9U_lWmAsYM&feature=related

There are a lot more on youtube - but you can start with this. Regarding fraudster chris - there are numerous threads already here proving this.

If you require more examples - let me know ,

1) Why are the pastors so wealthy ?
2) How come the wife and children of the pastors also become pastors and ministers ? Is the 'calling' family based ?
3) How does it make sense for a man struggling to eat (like many Africans) give away ten percent of his meagre income - most africans cannot even afford to send their kids to schools or pay for drugs.
4) Why do Nigerian pastors need planes ?
5) Why does the leader of the anglican church with assets of more than £5 billion earn only £65,000 but pentecostal preachers with much smaller assets earn much more ?
6) If we accept that tithes are necessary - where are all the free schools and hospitals or other charitable activities ?

I have a lot more questions - but it will be useful to start with this.

And to those saying 'you dont believe in miracles' blah blah - I do, I just know a fraud when I see one!