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@Yommyuk

The passage starting from 28 is :

28 Then Peter said, "We have given up our possessions and followed you."
29
He said to them, "Amen, I say to you, there is no one who has given up house or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30
who will not receive (back) an overabundant return in this present age and eternal life in the age to come."

Jesus was not referring to material posessions when he said 'overabundant return'. If he was, the disciples will all have died billionaires, but they did not, did they ?

@Mabell

You said:

I’m aware that several years ago after so much sufferings, he learnt the secret of sowing seeds. He once carried some money and took it to Arch Bishop Benson Idahosa, Idahosa told him to pour the money on the ground and begin on it which he did, then Idahosa went ahead to prophesy that Bishop Oyedepo will not lack money and that all the days of his life will walk on money and water will be his slave
In one of the teachings, he mentioned that he stopped collecting his allowance years ago. He said that for each service he attends, he gives an offering of 1million naira so if he attends 3 services in a day, he gives 3 million naira.

You are kidding right ??

Why do the prosperity charlatans always make vague wide predictions and nothing specific - look at the prediction from Adeboye for 2011:

FOR INDIVIDUAL: PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE WHO WILL LIVE A LIFE OF HOLINESS

1.THIS YEAR WILL BE A YEAR OF MIGHTY TESTIMONIES.

2.THERE WILL BE BIG CELEBRATION IN MANY HOMES.

3.THERE WILL BE MASSIVE RESTORATION OF LOSES OF THE PREVIOUS YEARS.

4.YOU MUST PRAY AGAINST KILLER DISEASE PARTICULALRY AMONG CHILDREN.

FOR NIGERIA:

1. PRAY FOR LONG LIFE FOR PROMINENT NIGERIANS.

2. THERE IS NO NEED FOR PANIC, ALL WILL BE WELL.

FOR INTERNATIONAL:


1. PRAY SERIOUSLY FOR INTERNATIONAL SCENE, PRAY AGAINST MASSIVE STORM AND EXTREME TEMPERATURE.

2. PRAYAGAINST MAJOR DISIASTER ESPECIALLY BY FIRE.

3. PRAY THAT GOD WILL SPEAK TO CONVULSING EARTH.

4. PRAY AGAINST CIVIL WARS AND CIVIL UNREST.

5. THERE WILL BE MAJOR DISCOVERIES IN THE AUTOMOBILE AND AVIATION INDUSTRY.

the prophesies are deliberately vague so that they can fit into any of the numerous events that happen every year. Fortune tellers and astrologers have been doing this for years:

e.g

I can guarantee a famous man will die this year. This is guaranteed to happen and so I can come round next year and say 'You see, I was right'

Why dont the prosperity guys ever saay - I saw that Mr A will die this year or even better for us in the UK- 'The interest rates will stay at 0.5% for the rest of the year'

@Frosbel

nice one bro - these two actors are crap!!

@nuella2

No one is trying to take healing out of christianity - I am working very hard to get the fraudsters and charlatans out of the pulpit and into the jails they deserve. Is that clear enough ?

@tbjfansuk

Are you really in the UK ?

If you are - why dont you get Joshua to send the water to you and you can take it to Great Ormond Street for children and cure all the sick children there ?

Utter nonsense - at least some of the other charlatans will say you need to give money and have faith (so they have a get out of jail card) before you can see your miracle. But for this fraudster to say he has 'holy water' ? Are you kidding ?

@Joagbaje

You are not taxed in church however you give - and like Debosky says the church actually gets less money from credit cards due to the credit card fees. Credit card borrowing attracts a high level of interest - it is an EXPENSIVE form of borriwing

So why does Oyedepo (who is against borrowing remember) ask for credit card donations ? He is nothing but a fraud and a hyprocrite like the rest of his charlatans!

This is utter rubbish. This is nothing but FRAUD.

I challenge anyone in Joshuas 419 organisation to send the 'healing water' to LUTH and heal all the people there dying from cancer etc. After that he can send the water to Great Ormond Street in London to heal all the sick children ?

Why are people so stupid ? If there was really healing water - why would the drug companies still be in existence ?

Why does Joshua not go the WHO (world health organisation) and start to mass produce his 'water' so that we can stop polio, malaria etc ? or is it only for attendees of his church ?

Dont some of these brainwashed fools ask why the healings are always in places where adminstration is generally poor (mainly Africa) and healings cannot be verified ? Let him come on to the BBC and repeat his claims and show the people healed - any junior investigative journalist will in a few seconds destroy his credibility.

@Joagabje

You last post did not make sense - what were you trying to say ?

Watch Benny 'The Actor' Hinn back away from 'seeing a dead man come back to live'! Charlatan!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpl3G0fv1ms

@RockA1

So the plane is church property, abi ? Of course anyone in the congregation can walk up to the airport and use it to go to the market. Get real!!

Why are people so prepared to criticize politicians for stealing money but are prepared to support rogues and sexual deviants in the pulpit ?

@Joagbaje

You say:
It's the devil that comes to steal and kill and destroy. God won't  stop him. Our faith can resist him

Have you lost your mind ? What is wrong with you ? All these rubbish just because you want us to keep believing in your 419 charlatans ? Have you no shame ? Where is your sense of decency ?
How can someone like you claim to be a christian ? What is wrong with you ?

If you really pastor a church like it is alleged - you should be ashamed of yourself, you are worse than the charlatans - at least they know the crap they are preaching is crap, you on the other hand seem to believe all the nonsense you say.

@Joagabje

I am sorry, but you cannot back out of this one.

We all know a 4 year old child cannot have faith - so if God heals that child, dont you think God will take care of the child and not allow the 'devil to return' as you put it ? What you are saying in effect is - because the parents do not have faith to 'hold' the miracle - God lets the devil return the sickness to the child. Does this sound like the God you read about in the bible ? Does this sound like why christ died on the cross ?

You have implied God lets the devil kill children because of the parents lack of faith - that is despicable. You should apologize and pray to God for forgiveness instead of trying to weasel your way out.

@Zikky

I can just picture CEC cutting tithe to 9%   

Abi now, they have to compete - soon they will do 2 months free (tithe 10 times for the reward of 12)

@Joagbaje

Enigma asked you

1. The parents' faith was strong enough to ensure the girl's healing but not strong enough to retain it?
2. Which of the two requires stronger faith - healing in the first place or retention of healing?

you ducked those questions and are trying to muddy the waters

You say :That is why it's important when someone gets healed, he has to be led to christ immediately, and he should be nurtured in the word of God. To build their faith
I say : If the person did not have faith to start with, how did he get healed in the first place.

The God I serve will not let sickness return to a four year old child because of the parents lack of faith. Do you really believe this ?

You are making up all this crap just to justify a 'FALSE' healing. You fool - that girl was NEVER healed in the first place!!

@Joagbaje

Are you saying the God you serve will let a 4 year old girl die from cancer because of the faith or lack of it of the parents ? So because God healed the boy because of his fathers faith, it follows God will let the girl die because of the lack of faith of the parents ??

Do you really believe this rubbish or are you so desperate to defend your 419 CHARLATANS that you are prepared to twist the very basis of christianity (love and grace) ?

@Mabell

I seriously worry about the stuff you people come out with to defend the indefensible - are you saying majority of the christians caught in the prosperity scam are rich ? Your point about seeing expensive cars in churches is ridiculous, in what areas ? Maybe you live in the more expensive parts of town. Go to the other areas and tell me what you see.

Bishop Charlatan in one of the videos I saw was saying people should not borrow money - and he was going on and on.

Fair enough, but why are his churches in London and New York collecting donations with credit cards ?

If he really believed in the crap he was spewing he would make sure people did not use credit for donations. Abi ?

Wow, I just discovered Oyedepo's great book 'Understanding Financial Prosperity'.

I better stop my executive MBA program then - this is all I need to get rich (I just need to give him 10% of my income forever). 

@BasseyJ

So your argument is that when people pay their tithes and offering in church - it becomes the pastors money and hence he can spend it on what he chooses ? You are joking, right ?

Also because I did not give him any money I should smile and watch him rob people ? - I WILL NOT.

@Mabell

Please lets be sensible. How many of his congregation can buy PLANES ? Is it those that take the 'free' buses to the land of fraud ? Notice that the 'free' is in quotes because those people have paid their tithes and offering so it is just their own money (albeit a much reduced amount of their own money - after the charlatan has taken money to maintain his PLANE).

@Mabell

WHY HAVE YOU NOT ANSWERED ? WHERE DID THE MONEY FOR THE PLANE COME FROM ?

@BasseyJ

You might be happy to see people fleeced by charlatans - I am not! As long as these charlatans keep conning people, I will keep commenting. And by the way it is not his money, you stupid f*uk (you see, I can swear like you).

@Supporters of the charlatan Oyedepo

This fraudster stands in front of the congregation and tells them about his PRIVATE PLANE and they all clap. How brainwashed is that ?
That plane will certainly cost millions of dollars - where did the money come from ?

I will tell you - your tithes, offerings and maybe the fees from the various schools.

People WAKE UP!

@Mabell

No explanation for the PRIVATE PLANE ? I am sure God told him to buy it

@Dereformer

WHAT BUSINESS HAS A TRUE MAN OF GOD IN ESTABLISHING SCHOOL AND MAKING IT OUT OF THE REACH OF THE POOR?

THESE MEN BENEFITED FROM THE FREE EDUCATION BROUGHT INTO AFRICA BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC

Excellently described.

Is this fraud for real ?

http://www.bennyhinn.org/partners/partnerenrollment.cfm

@Frosbel

Keep up the good work!

@Newmi

You do not need a PRIVATE PLANE to cross the 'NILE' or MEDITERRANEAN SEA' - there are loads of airlines who can carry these fraudsters in first class.

@ Supporters of MOFs

Why do you ignore facts when you see them

@Newmi
why did you not comment on the fraudster Cerullo

@Nuclearboy

It shows a MOF - but this guy is particularly greedy and shameless. He is seating in a plane he has bought with church money.

It just occurred to me now, Ashimolowos church is in London but he does not ask for donations in dollars he asks in pounds. Why ?

1 dollar = 0.6 pounds

@Joagbaje

WHY DO YOUR MOF NEED PLANES ?

MOF = Men of Fraud