leke12:
Deluded African mentality , the worst mentality in all race! One day u will say rice and beans are demonic food, stop eating it because it is cultivated in d marine world. Mtchew...

inferiority complex dey plague u?
d guy/girl don dey craze small small I know buh call him deluded and leave Africa out of ur rants...

and where be d op

zat Emperor4god comment shock me o.. in dis 21st century no wonder dem non-believers dey knack their head for all..

in p-square's voice "no start wetin u no go finish, abi u be George Finidi?"

frank317:


OK... I will not make fun but I will argue and ask rebuttal questions when I feel the need. Why? Some statements made by Christians are outright annoying and makes me feel I should dig into their sense of reasoning and find out why they are so shallow.
That's life, we will disagree but not hate each other

@ d bolded, u know what d funny thing is Frankie, don't u think this same believers see u and other non-believers as shallow, hence why they're try to dig into ur sense reasonings? sounds familiar?

let me lend u something from my mind (u can give it back if u don't want lols) concerning this believers and non-believers sense of reasoning tussle.

u think them senseless and shallow and they think u dumb and blind. but d funny thing is that u presently claim to have found bliss/peace in ur non-belief buh millions still claim to have found bliss/peace in their believing... ain't that funny? its all d workings of d mind...

one more thing, I (personally) see those non-believers who jest/argue with those who believe in something/someone as those who are insecure/unsure of their position of non-belief, hence d continuous rebuffs and attacks on those beliefs for they unconsciously try to murder that which troubles them.

as for me, understanding/aligning myself with nature to d best of my abilities is my sole aim, other people's beliefs or.convictions can only help buh for a little.

abeg, make I rest my muscles jor, tell me how I go get tenth generation and lost key hardcopy. No cut my head o, I just need them for my small shelf

peace

BabaGnoni:


Wisdom or wise, what is wisdom, who is wise? One making or one who makes right or good decision(s) on something or anything
Foolish or fool, what is foolish, who is a fool? One making or one who makes wrong or bad decision(s) on something or anything

As for nothing learning from experiences
well, even kids soon figure out that if you dont learn from experience, you get your fingers burned

No doubt we all begin life with innocence and/or start it with lack of experience,
The character development on the blank canvas ensues from our painful and exhilarating experiences

Jack's parochial? I dont think so
You definitely have heard the phrase "out of character" and know the implication

hahahaha

u neva jam

BabaGnoni:

^^^
Experience shapes character, and character determines action
a character totally without experience is all but a contradiction in terms
- excerpt from page 87, GOD - A BIOGRAPHY by Jack Miles

aye, Jack Miles said so..

and I say d price of experience are damn too high...
and d worst is only a few can exactly draw knowledge from others' experiences and gain wisdom...

and what if Jack was wrong? what if (like most Africans) I don't learn from my/other's experience? how would experience now shape my character? is there a chance that Jack's parochial(for want of word)

bravo, neither will any teacher nor teaching make u aware of ur self. take knowledge from different sources buh don't joke with experience, it's ur best bet- Mind Power

Harnessing d power of the mind

FOLYKAZE:


Emi simply is breathe or life force. It has nothing to do with Soul.

I am not arguing that there is two souls in person. My argument is, soul is a separate entity. It is more or less the inner self, personality and the 'I'. Soul is the centre of who we are.

I understand where you are coming from when you mentioned that soul is spirit and flesh. And the teaching of soul and spirit which you are trying to point at is more or less JW doctrine. So I am making you see that soul is a separate enity which prompted Jesus statement; that is a separate entity which cant be killed.

In the new earth, what is that thing that would live forever when flesh has been destroyed? Answer to this should tell you that there is something distinct from what you insuliate soul is. In philosophy, it is simply the inner self.


Lastly, you mention that you dont believe witches live there body. Do you ackownledge that there is something called OUT OF THE BODY EXPERIENCE, Astral Projection and Soul Travellin?

OBE is more scientifical but the other ones are more spritual.

Also, do you believe one would live in the new earth when the flesh has been destroyed?

So why would you acknowledge OBE, believe in ressurection in the new kingdom and choose to disbelieve in witch going out of the body?

I didn't get d notification for this mention.
resurrection has to do with bringing back to life what is already dead. if I think a soul is d spirit and flesh and that the soul can die, then I'm trying to say that it will be resurrected when d time comes.

pls don't mistaken life in d bible heaven with life in d promised new earth. just as apostle Paul puts it, those going to heaven must follow d pattern d Christ's resurrection took. died fleshy but resurrected a spirit. those in d promised new earth will not go through same process (remember d Christ even said some will not die but will be alive when all the changes take place I.e when he comes).

one thing, I av no idea what OBE is..

well done, u got me thinking... one of d reasons I enjoy ur posts

macof:


Emi means "life force"...the act of living is synonymous with the act of breathing
Only living things breath...so breath is life and life is Emi..don't you think?
Many don't know that it's two spirts in Man...the Life force(Soul) and the "spirit of God" in Man
this life force is also our sentience, which provides us with subjectivity and emotions that mold our personality...what then is the "self" you speak if not the primal force of our personality?

I understand all u are saying now. u know I don't understand Yoruba hence my agreeing with Folykaze concerning what Emi is.

I only av a problem reconciling what I know (with proofs o) and what modern day Christians and most traditionalists say about the issue. Don't forget they even use both spirit and soul interchangeably without precision.

Let's just leave d issue, we've been doing a lot of repeating lately... thanks for ur time bro.

what about u helping me with d workings of the mind if u know anything about it o, just anything(philfearon says its what is called witchcraft buh I can't find a precise correlation). plus I'll like knowing how to meet some non-human beings

FOLYKAZE:


Good evening dude.

Since you have refused to provide answers to my questions, I dont know how we could get pass through this matrix.

The self is not Emi. Emi simply mean breathe or life given force.

Is it wrong to call the self soul?

Greetings bro,

if u say EMI is d breath or life giving force then I'll tell macof not to call d SELF that I speak of an EMI. if u decide to call it a soul, well, from ur questions, are u suggesting man has two souls? one d flesh and d othet one u say man can't kill?
don't say I'm responding with a question o (tho it seems so ) it's somehow sha...

one thing I know is, all I've been hearing about souls and spirits ain't true, one of d many reasons is "d witches leave their bodies to attend some meetings somewhere talk".

I av my reasons

ehen Folykaze, zis ur questions, na as e be e get o, thanks for ur time.

I'm one of those who believes d mind assigns dimensions.... I mean that anyone can believe in anything and be comfortable with it. it's how d mind works(I'll like some tutorials on many other workings of d mind sha, I'm not sure what I'm searching on dat topic yet, philfearon dey hoard info)

now concerning d topic, I go with the notion that a soul is made up of both spirit and flesh. maybe, just maybe what u are referring to (i.e d one u said D CHRIST was talking about)is what I call d SELF and finally macof now calls it EMI

FOLYKAZE:


whats up dude. I have always been around, comes in mostly anonymous. Nairaland s boring nowadays with kind of topic created.

summon d gods that they do appear... I see ur work. buh that segmentation of man isn't exactly correct. its just soul and spirit, nothing more. remember man became a living soul and without d breath/spirit, he's just ordinary flesh/soul without life. just as d book Mr Noah and d seven survivors of the flood- eight souls !!!

if d section is dulling, spice it up na... buh u no lie sha

macof:


Lol you got me laughing at the bold

I have always thought the consciousness to be the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves, it's what keeps us going and gives us a purpose especially as sentient beings. That's the "Spirit of God" as some will say but we need to feed it so it can grow and develop within us
I won't blame people for getting sudden ideas in their head and concluding it's God communicating with them...truth is we all have it and it's sometimes called intuition, a sort of mind within the mind that pops out occasionally, or a sixth sense or vision beyond sight
So while you believe that there's an entity as u called "Self" that directs our consciousness,
I believe it's the consciousness that directs our soul...we being souls, the soul is our "self"(even the Bible agrees, Genesis 2:7 "and man became a living soul)

this one u are saying d bible says so, are u Christian again

anyways, thanks for sharing, na only folykaze and billyonaire I miss for zis discuss

cirmuell:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faaT-uIuL5k

http://www.robertlanza.com/do-we-have-a-soul-a-scientific-answer/

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/life%20after%20death%20exists.html

gone through only two links

Second link

Now, to the
amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning
dimly to recognize that those rules make
existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments
above suggest that objects only exist with real
properties if they are observed . The results not
only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that
a part of the mind — the soul — is immortal and
exists outside of space and time.

Incase I'm missing something here, pls tell what was observed for anyone to conclude that man indeed has an immortal soul

From third link

The
research involved 63 patients
that experienced clinical
death. 56 people do not
remember anything of the
period when they were
clinically dead. However,
seven patients had clear
memories of what they felt at
that period. Four of them said
they were overwhelmed with
joy and peace and the time
was running faster. Then they
saw a bright light and saw
mythical creatures that
looked like angels or saints.
They claimed they had been
to another world for some
time and then came back.

It looks like scientists are
very busy with proving
immortality of the soul. The
only thing we can do is
accept that death is only an
interchange station between
the two worlds .

those who've gone through those links pls tell what is the experiment there. Only seven out of sixty three? Smh

Soul in d heart?
I can as well say d soul is in d blood since I've seen a girl who started developing white hairs and wrinkles after blood was donated by her aging father....

I still say MAN IS THE SOUL except e no dey ur bible so and any soul wey sin go kpeme Ezekiel 18:4

cirmuell:
I only gave him the one that will fit his own concept of soul. He thinks a Soul is nothing but breaths, and is not ready to accept any contrary explanation...you can try explaining to him if you have the time.

ok o, u don't even know macof...

cirmuell:
Perharps you should read more. Mr. I'malwaysright. If you want the meaning of a Soul you can always check here www.google.com I won't explain to you what you are not ready to believe or accept, that's waste of time. ciao

and what makes Google have d final say on what a soul is?
who be Google sef for d matter?

macof:


it's everybody.. Our consciousness is just simply beautiful
But then what's your take in the relationship between Consciousness and Soul?

Now that's d kind of topic I like and will always want to learn more about.
let me start by admitting that I know little on that topic.

one thing I do know and I'm sure of is that there's some kinda SELF that directs our consciousness and it's relations with our soul, by soul I mean US.
I've seen ppl claim to receive visions and hear voices of spiritual ppl while d reality is that they unknowingly are discussing with themselves, not exactly their SELF. example is when a friend of mine who claims to be a pastor like his father, collapsed when the same girl whom he claimed God has said is his future partner broke up with him. when I took him home, his own father still boasted that God told him that d enemy wants one of his child.

Me was just laughing inwardly because if d man hear wetin make his son whom I warned collapse, he no go talk rubbish for my front,
now these raises questions, were they deceiving their followers or themselves?
what makes them so sure the voice is God's because I myself sometimes hear a voice inside me and I believe its same for all men

I've seen animals suffer and die and I sometimes allow my consciousness be directed by my SELF to align with that of the animals'. I felt their pain, the sameness, what its like to be dead on the street.
since I learned to do that, I no fit kill even rat again. note that this one's my own experience sha, u might do same and get a different result.

all in all, I still learnt that whatever it is, somehow man is still in control and that's what I call THE SELF. That's y u see ppl basking in what u call ignorance buh they see u as someone misled into swimming in d river of foolishness.
like my mystic uncle will say, its all in the mind, d mind assigns dimensions, simple..

hope u can deduce something from my mind for this here is my mind on d issue..and its not just straight... buh I'm very sure of one thing, that at this stage of my existence, I can't bring myself to being an atheist

cirmuell:
my brother they've been trying no be today o, most end-up proving that soul(in human) does exist.

Mind telling me more about some of the experiments on the soul ?

if u guys (like cirmuell and some ppl here) continues to say scientists are looking for some kinda soul in man and u happen to be right (that for a fact, scientists are indeed engaging in such fruitless and pointless experiments) then those scientists are indeed gullible.

I am a soul just as u are a soul, with a life giving breath/spirit, at least its what's in your bibles na

Note that no one would ever sponsor such a nonsensical experiments on souls when we have vortexes, huge blackness in space to study, na d one wey we no sure say dey them wan experiment on

d only thing I don't get about man is D SELF THAT IS ABOVE HIS CONSCIOUSNESS, e still dey make my brain hot with headaches...
I know d rest jor or so I thought...

ronald4lif:
You have to pretend as if nothing happened and don't plead with the mom. It's possible she didn't clearly see what happened between you and the girl. And you pleading with her will throw all her doubts. But even if she did she may not want to tell her daughter so as to avoid problems and avoidable issues in your marriage. Maybe it's time to let your wife friend leave the house to avoid more drama. And just be more nice to your wife and your mom now generally.

But if your mother in-law finally tells her daughter what transpired please deny it completely. You can say you were passing by and along the line you heard the friend calling for help and you went to assist her (if it was a kitchen incident you could say things like oil poured on her and you had to quickly get a cloth to clean up the mess on her) and was only trying to help before mama came in. Don't make it appear as if mama is lying but rather that yes she saw you both but didn't get the exact picture of what was happening. You can discuss whatever story you may want to say with the girl so you both can have same story.

Wumi should leave the house

chai, see HARDvice o

macof:

is ur theory based on the Bible alone? Or something else added to it?
Why not give Bible passages let's all learn?

funny I can't drop any bible passages only excerpts jor...

don't tell u don't know that man became a living soul when he was given the breath (one which some translators call spirit)was how d bible puts it and... and that animals too has that same breath (Ecclesiastes 3:19)
and remember even Mr Adam and Mrs Eve transgressed as d case was, "HE" said they should be driven out before they eat from some life giving tree and now live forever..... so partner, u see where d theory sprang?

well, from the way its written in the bible, I don't think man was designed to live forever.

His living forever is dependent on how long he drinks and eats from the garden hence the "tree of life and river that heals" ish. it's also dependent on his obedient to the one who owns the garden. Simple.....

and malvis, pls stop this ur man has a soul talk, the bible made it clear that the first man became a living soul because of d breath that was given him by "HE" not that he was given a soul. MAN IS THE SOUL..

and remember animals and man shares one breath as d bible puts it, some translations use spirit in place of breath...

My 2kobo

chai, since December no comments.

operation cause trouble foiled

oya na...

and some pipu still think dze election will be free and fair.

I just dey happy say na that yeye Val day it will happen. my excuse to not go out don ready sef

davien:
do dead people still have lives?

good question. let me see anyone try to answer this...... do dead people still have lives?

mecussey:


This ur post ehhh....if nothing kills him, he dies anyway...i don laugh die here. I dey pity guys who no wan do anything in the name of not risking their lives.

incase I'm wrong, let me know. I humble pass dat one

one way or the other, something must kill a man. If nothing kills him, he dies anyway

kilokeys:
stop eating groundnut?

stop visiting ur village?

lit a white candle?

do not sleep naked?..

infact... u r a Demon urself Op.

imagine all these nonsense conditions.. whats d difference between u and the ritualists?
what scriptural backings do u have?.


lemme pray for u now this 2015..

ur loved ones would conceal their pregnancies from u in Jesus Name.

when u r old and u relocate to d village.. ur nieces and nephews and relations outside of ur village would never visit to share good news, they shall see u as the source of their problems in Jesus Name

u r discouraging pple from patronising groundnut sellers.. whatever u do for a living.. pple wouldnt patronise u In Jesus Name


on a lighter note.. think objectively.. study to show urself approved.

he that dwelleth in the secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadows of the almighty..

whatever things are pure, of a good report, just..... think on these things..

stop placing pple in bondages.. stop practicing witchcraft.

being a Christian is the easiest way of life. u r making it burdensome.

christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.
he has made us kings and priests.
we can enter boldy into his throne of mercy to find grace in times of need.

dig deep into the word.. stop spreading ideas( human wisdom).
do these and u would be free.

patience man, that ur groundnut talk might make it seem u are a ground nut farmer/seller.


buh u are right tho, d guy's practicing a ritual. and that his no.7, light candle, let it burn away and sleep if person house burn?

shogosco:

Dont u know dat most of the movies were base on reality? stop sleeping guy, wake_up!

chewing gum boy, wake up first. if u put ur mind for all those movies ur life go bend pass d one e dey already.


I don laugh tire..

mods, move this thread to joke section jor....

This dolphinheart and johnw74 don craze o.

see long posts sha....