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Anonymous15:
I know everything about the igbos, I know their good side and I know their bad sides,
my mom is Igbo too.
the Igbo has a rich history and so does the ijaws too.
but making false claims that the Nembeians are ibos reveberated me to the core.
their pride is the reason other southern states even if they were formerly of the old Eastern region do not want to form a nation with them.
if you know the Ijaw, they are a very resilient people.
just because the sold Igbo people chased away their slave Masters in the Caribbean or killed themselves in the Igbo landing doesn't make them better than any other tribe, and infact that is their biggest highlight. if they were all powerful here in Africa, why were they captured and sold I am not trying to undermine them, infact I love them, all my girlfriends has been Igbo, even my current girl is Igbo but history doesn't forget and that they were other powerful tribes who ruled the lands and call the shots. We bowed to no one, you can also read about king William Fredrick Koko a Nembe king who went to war with the British empire. the British feared and Respected us, the Portuguese dreaded us. the ijaws are not known because of the oil, read British journals about us, and you'd know why so many white men loved the culture and chose to naturalize in many ijaw tribes.

Anonymous15:
so if they bought Spears from the Aros, how did that mean the Aro god rulled them?
I said the ijoh's were rarely slaves, the ijoh's were broker. ijoh's were sold only when Igbo slaves weren't forth coming, so when the chiefs or Kings or priests needed money or white men items, they can sell their enemies or prisoners of war or they set up less important ijoh people for kidnap and sale, I made mention of it nigga, but the ijoh's were not known to be slaves, they were the broker, I repeat, ijoh's were only sold when Igbo slaves weren't forthcoming and when a big chief lacks money, he can send his boys to kidnap less important folks to sell or raid an enemy war canoe and seize some men, slaughter many at an island called isikara to obtain favor from the water spirits and sell the remaining to the white men as slaves but it was rare.
that only happens WHEN THE SLAVE IMPORT LINE IS DRY.
I mentioned this nigga.

Anonymous15:
now you're saying no one wants the Niger delta, but you were hammering on Nembe being ibo Biko how?
even when an Igbo girl who served there and was involved in INEC activity mentioned pulp and plain there was no connection,, you no gree.
you are big enough to mother children yet you bring your ignorance here as big as you are.
I even counted in both dialect yet you're still blah -ing now you're mentioning God.
have you been to Nembe before? where did you see them speak igbo?
my mother is from a sub Igbo tribe, my father is from a sub ijoh tribe, who better is to tell you there isn't any connection whatsoever yet you chose to come to nairaland and display your ignorance along with the other ones.
I have been a visitor of nairaland for years, but for long I have abandoned my accounts, I have seen so many stupid opinions and I just smh and scroll on, but I couldn't let this one slide, it took me 10mins to re activate my account to clear this silly misconception.
but I still ask, how does names like Dadigibofa, ombu, dabadoi, Owoseikuma, ayibanengiyefa ingonabo sound Igbo to you? how madam?
the igbos call God chineke, chukwu
the ijos call God ayiba, Aziba.
where is the similarity
even when I took the time to count in both dialect you're talking scenario and logic, don't you see how unfortunate and unintelligent you seem?
please don't try to annex with your dumbness other Ethnic nationalities, do not bring God after being foolish.

Anonymous15:
no one had power over anyone. there comes a time when a person will need a person.
American and Russia are the most powerful nations on Earth, and they all tend to stay on their lane.
if Russia wants to undertake on a project or access the Pacific ocean, they will take permission from the U.S.
if the U.S wants to access the artic ocean or the Mediterranean Sea or any other water ways close to Russia, they will also take permission.
the Aros are the most powerful and most respectable Confederacy in IGBO LAND, note.. IN IGBO LAND.
perhaps they made a law that slave trade and it's dealing must pass through them, I have no idea about it and it doesn't concern the ijaws. though I won't dispute that a few brass men or Nembeians in those days didn't consult the aro juju because it was famed for justice, not "JUSTICE"
not because it was the most powerful, but justice was more important because some priests in ijohland were likely to pervert justice or collect bribe. among the Nembeians, oroamabiri was a place of settlement and my dad's maternal gran pa was the last renowned priest of oro-ama biri. his name is mentioned in most British archives but I don't want to mention it here.
my mother is Igbo, and the Nembeians and ijoh in general are known to marry non ijoh's preferably igbos or warri women because of the matrileneal law(that's a story for another day)
people opted to visit Aro instead or Oro because the Normal human being prefer privacy (that is one reason) that didn't make the Aros have influence over the ijaws or Nembeians NO! but not that we disrespect the Aros but everybody na king for him lane. use the US RUSSIA example I gave.
you can't deal with the white men or access the ocean without going through the ijoh kingdoms, impossible. we were the brokers.
just as the yorubas also deal on slave trade, including the ijebu's but they couldn't access the Portuguese without going through the Benins or the Olu of warri, never!
nigga this isn't rocket science, what is difficult.
even when the mighty Israelites were in the wilderness, they sent envoys to the Edomites to pass through their territory.

WE WERE THE BROKERS!
as far as the Atlantic ocean kisses the south (from benin to warri, to Nembe, to ibani, to akwa akpa, you had to go through the Oba of Benin, the Olu of warri, the Amayanabo of Nembe ogbolomabiri and bassambiri, the obong of Calabar, the Perekule's of ibani and since the central ijoh district was nearer, you lots went through us.

BKayy:
Holy gram. That dude has been moving around the Internet like a wandering evil spirit sowing discord among Ndigbo for the past decade.

Geez, this is freaky.

But anaghị eji utu eyi akwụna ụjọ. I am active now, so his evil mission has come to an end

Anonymous15:
which Nembeian or ijoh person claimed abia state?

Favour623:
ok bro,i will Not reply them again.its clear they are not from Alaigbo

eduora:
Ngwa will not win the next governorship election for 2023.mark my prediction

SaintBishop:
There are no igbos in Baysela not a sing soul. The day you yamaris carry your land grabbing tendency near Baysela what Wike did to you clowns in Oyigbo will be a child's play compare to what we are going to do to you lots Igbo man.

Here is an example.
https://www.nairaland.com/3793461/igbo-traders-bayelsa-shut-down

ImembaN:
...
I'm not ChinenyeN...
As you can see DOZIE NGWA IS ONLINE...
bro you don't know me..

SlayerForever:
I have ended that discussion with her years ago. I don't even read her comments as regards that subject.


But this new monicker running amuck may be her. And it's a sign she may be getting desperate.

SaintBishop:
You are boring me with your noise making as usual I don't have time for chest beating okoros.
And for your info,you can't win something that was never yours In the first place. Bonny and Opobo was and is still an ijaw clan,all your nonsense starts and ends on Nairaland lost Jew.

RedboneSmith:
I want to know the two people that liked this jumble of misinformation. Lol. Your other monikers?

In earlier comments on other threads, you displayed some knowledge of Ngwa culture and language, and I was ready to accept you for who you said you were: an Ngwa man. But since then you've said quite a lot that I just cannot believe a southeasterner can say. Not necessarily the bit about Ngwa not being Igbo, but other things.

This thing about Enugu being the real Igbos, Anambra being 'Ado' (whatever that means), etc etc. sounds exactly like the things some non-Igbos I have argued with say on this platform when they try to get under the skin of Igbos. I have my suspicions about who you really are, but I will continue to watch you.

Anonymous15:
I use to want my fellow southern brothers to team up with the igbos to form a new nation, but from what I have seen today and how quick the igbos are to claim, never again will I support any union with you people to form a nation, now you call me northern.. smh.
I have seen the unseable today.
*someone said Nembe is Igbo.
* y'all said ijaw is under Igbo
* you all try to absorb or subjugate an ethnic group that has been living in the delta for over 8000 years.

I don't want a nation with your subjugating kind who thinks everywhere is his.

Anonymous15:
madam I am a Nembe man, I would have mentioned my war canoe house and my chieftaincy house, but for privacy sake.
even I can speak Igbo so that isn't an excuse. most of my cousins like me schooled in the East and can speak Igbo so does that make me an Igbo man?
you talk about the Igbo landing, so it is the plantation in the landing was the only place igbos were sold?
the ijaws were very powerful and because of how reselient we were, we controlled the trading routes. stop being daft, we sold you people for mirror, Dane guns and rum, even umbrellas and fine fabrics.
we were the brokers between the Europeans, the Igbo pride can be measured in the fist of the ijaws, go and read your history properly. ok how did you get to the spot of the Igbo landing?
the ijaws put you in the white men ships and sent you there Madam... go and read up your history. the ijaws are the only people who had Cannons, do you know how expensive canons were?
I even saw my great great great grandpa's Canon when I visited my hometown last year. he got a Canon by exchanging Igbo slaves to the white men, and most war canoe houses had canons.
stop saying trash. we were the wealthiest in those days and we made those wealth by trading igbos and sending them to go and cultivate sugar Cain plantations in the Americas stop talking what you don't know madam, I will School you. you don't know history...I don't blame you because Nigeria do not teach history

Anonymous15:
bro stop confusing yourself ORLU and ORU are different.
your photographed material only talked about some Nembeians who went to enquire something from Aro.
now let's end this madness for the last time.
FIRSTLY! ORU is not a deity but a word WHICH MEANS JUJU
SECONDLY! ORU IS NOT A NAME OF A PLACE, LOCATION OR ENTITY IN NEMBE.

I want to ask you, what is the meaning of your so called oru or olu or oguta whatever... does it mean the same thing?
NO!
BYE BYE!

Anonymous15:
and there is no other ethnic group in bayelsa except the ijaws.
kolokuma, Epie etc ARE CLANS OR TRIBES under the ijaws.
infact there are 51 clans or tribes which are descendants of ijo and they are stretched across bayelsa, rivers, akwa ibom, ondo, delta, edo.

there are also ijaws in Sierra Leone and Gabon who are migrant fishermen.

Anonymous15:
nigga don't be confused.
Oru is not a deity,,
Oru is a "word" which means juju
I repeat, "Oru" is a word which means juju.
I know all the major deities from ogbolomabiri, to bassambiri to obioku, to kula, and all the surrounding Nembe vicinities, there is no deity named ORU!
stop displaying your daftness here.

Anonymous15:
nigga don't be confused.
Oru is not a deity,,
Oru is a "word" which means juju
I repeat, "Oru" is a word which means juju.
I know all the major deities from ogbolomabiri, to bassambiri to obioku, to kula, and all the surrounding Nembe vicinities, there is no deity named ORU!
stop displaying your daftness here.

Anonymous15:
now it is now "SOME"
I will not engage you on the gelegele issue.
we were talking on something else.
that is what dumb people do, try to wiggle from the borne of contention.
now answer me,
is there a town called oru in Igbo land?
if yes, what is the meaning of Oru?

Anonymous15:
ijaw (ijo) was the progenitor of the Ijaw people.
he had Gbaran his first son, Nembe, his second and other children who went on the form the tribes under ijaw. none of them speak ijaw but little can be heard when they converse because of the similarity.
I use to hear about your land grabbing etc, but I never knew it would reach my own Nembe. and you come craze talk say we sail from orlu and you want to make it linked to Oru...you must be daft. Oru is not a place in Nembe but a word. Oru means "juju"
yagbia' e no togubelemo' o... alendi' o.

Anonymous15:
ijaw (ijo) was the progenitor of the Ijaw people.
he had Gbaran his first son, Nembe, his second and other children who went on the form the tribes under ijaw. none of them speak ijaw but little can be heard when they converse because of the similarity.
I use to hear about your land grabbing etc, but I never knew it would reach my own Nembe. and you come craze talk say we sail from orlu and you want to make it linked to Oru...you must be daft. Oru is not a place in Nembe but a word. Oru means "juju"
yagbia' e no togubelemo' o... alendi' o.

Anonymous15:
nigga stop being deluded, even the Igbo people refer to us as mba'mmiri, stop being stupid.
the Opobo, during the slave trade days, they had so many Igbo people who outnumbered them and became influential, these Igbo people didn't stop speaking their language and they covered the Opobo's. this was how they lost their language.
Jaja of opobo was an Igbo slave who was bought by an ijaw-opobo man. but has he grew wealthy and influential, the igbos grew with him and he subsequently became the ruler of opobo.

Nembe since time immemorial has been Nembe.
it is made of of 6 ancient clans (kalabiga ma biri, obolo'amabiri, opubigamabiri, onyo ama biri, Oro ama biri, and olodio ama biri) long long long long ago during the days they communed with mermaids.
nigga you can't be stupid.
all this ancient settlements are absolved into Nembe as you know it, Oro ama biri is the only existing clan from the old ancient Nembe long when Kings didn't rule, but halfmen half spirits.

and back to the ethnic group size thingy (hausa Fulani 29percent, Yoruba 21% ibo 18% IJAW 10%, KANURI 4% ibibio 3.5.
Google it, do not be unfortunate nigga, don't ever come and claim my ancient kingdom to your ethnic group nigga.
don't you dare.

SlayerForever:
I don't discuss about such stupid subjects and I don't bother about it either.

Ngwa and indeed no other Igbo group will ever go the Ikwerre way again going forward na aha Chukwu Okike. All those seeking a separate identity do so for self serving purposes. They are usually very dubious, doublefaced and chronic underachievers. It is never really about what another Igbo group did or didn't do.

Instead of separating, more lost or unknown Igbo groups will begin to identify with the larger Igbo nation. Isee.

Igbogaadigide.

ChinenyeN:
Given the fact that you are aware of the Nigerian socio-political climate, I shouldn’t have to explain self-determination to you. But alas, I will try to be open since I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

What I mean by self-determination (within the Igbo context) is simple. There is a degree of borderline paranoia that some people (mostly nationalistic Igbo) have when it comes to the idea of “Igbo unity” and “Igbo identity”. I am not concerned about whether such borderline paranoia is warranted or unwarranted. Anyone who knows anything about Nigerian history is aware of the root of it, and for someone like me, I find this borderline paranoia to be generally warranted. However, that does not make it healthy.

Considering the length of time that this response has been allowed to perpetuate and considering the sort of discourse it has brewed, I find it toxic. It is one thing if the communities within the appropriate Lower Niger communities shared (or even at minimum, respected) this response as a part of the general consensus. But they don’t.

This borderline paranoia is in direct conflict with the very sentiment of self-determination that we know is characteristic of the Lower Niger. The events of the past 100 years have shown that such self-determination has not died. As a result, all we have is tension, angst and disgruntled people everywhere. Here is a (perhaps reductive) way to concisely express this dichotomy.

On one end, we have the individuals and communities who at one point living in relative peace and identifying how they pleased, because identity was a fluid concept. People were free to determine what that meant for them. We can call this Camp A.

On the other end, we have individuals who a yearning for an unprecedented amount of single-mindedness going to the extent of expecting and demanding adherence to a concrete set of identities. We can call this Camp B.

These two concepts are in direct odds with one another. The mere existence of one means you cannot have the other. This is not a situation where one can have one’s cake and eat it too. At this point, it should be easy to see why we have such controversy. These two philosophies cannot co-exist, and anyone who says that they can is simply being dishonest. We have experienced almost 60 years of enmity in the Lower Niger region due to this simply dichotomy of views. It should be evident that this is a problem.

Now, that is the synopsis of the basis of my views. Here is where my actual personal views come in. The only thing I care about in this world is agency. Human beings, communities, peoples, should have the agency to choose. This agency is the core of self-determination. A while back, I was discussing with someone here on NL about identity, how it morphs and changes due to context and time. I made one specific comment in that conversation.

The agency to create and morph identities is more important to me than the identity in question. I might live out my life and die as an Ngwa man, but my descendants in maybe 200 or 300 years may end up with a different identity and have no idea what Ngwa (or even Igbo) ever was. That is life. Agency at work.

Because agency is what I care about, I side with Camp A. Protecting self-determination means more to me than the current idea of “Igbo identity” and “Igbo unity” that certain people (Igbo nationalists) are parroting.

This was a long answer, but I hope it is clear to you what I mean by self-determination.

Anonymous15:
ikwerre is never Nembe.
ikwerre is a tribe on its own Mr Man. and Nembe do not speak ikwerre or opobo. stop spreading fake informations.
try and be learned, I won't be hard on you because you're ignorant. there are over 360 ethnic groups in Nigeria, (hausa , Igbo, Yoruba, ijaw, ibibio) are the top 5
now in each of this ethnic groups are tribes.
for instance in your Igbo, they have nsuka tribe or language, they have mbanno, arochukwu, etc, distinct languages and tribes but under the Igbo ETHNIC GROUP.

In the IJAW ETHNIC GROUP, we have (Nembe, ibani, okrika, kalabari, gbaran, opobo, etc) all are tribes and different language under the IJAW ETHNIC GROUP.
same goes for the HAUSA AND YORUBA.

Ikwerre isn't any where associated with the Ijaw ethnicity or Nembe.
go and read up and stop spreading fake knowledge.

Anonymous15:
in the olden days, powerful chiefs will sneak into Igbo lands and adopt farmers, or your chiefs will adopt your people and bring them to a meeting spot to be traded with the Nembeians who were brokers(middlemen) during the slave trade. these Igbo slaves are then taken to ibani( Bonny) or akwa-akpa (cross river) and then put in white men ships and sailed to cultivate sugar Cain plantations in the Americas.
some were kept in war canoe chieftaincy houses for domestic purposes.
if Nembe man speak here, you won't hear shingbain.

Anonymous15:
you have to be the most deluded person I have seen on nairaland in recent times. how are Nembeians Igbo people?
is it the language or the ethnic group?
Nembe is a tribe under the Ijaw ethnic group.
if not that nairaland doesn't promote demeaning words, I for tell you as e be me right now.
even the people that liked and shared are the most confused people on Earth at the moment.

ImembaN:
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You are funny..
If I'm you i will sit down and think about what the future holds (FOR THE TRIBE INVENTED BY EUROPEANS ie: IGBO)

SaintBishop:
But the Ngwa are not igbos,why are you looking for others to help you fight your battles?

osazsky:
is bayelsa now among biafra..wat are u guys doing in anothers man land.there is no oil in the yeast...dont drag us southerners into your stupid biafra

SaintBishop:
Have you guys settled your unending whalala? cause they seems to chase you people wherever you go.
And what's with you people and land grabbing tendency? The Ngwa whatever you are bragging about are not even igbos lol.
https://www.nairaland.com/6856690/aba-not-igbo-town...it-belongs

You are nothing but clowns,stay clear off ijaws land cause none will be given to you guys to form your bia whatever.