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SlayerForever:
Lollllll. You see meleszenewi abi na malu nnewi that guy is a real case. But he has been uncovered months ago as Ossy Carter abi Ossy Thatcher

He is also omanabala quoting himself with his Omanambala. The truth is that the guy has so many layers. The Ossy is just one of the layers. He has so many real life monikers. A guy who investigated his Ip s and location determined that he is not working alone. Too many layers. LOL

But a compilation of all his monikers are on Nairaland but just yesterday, he cleared all the compilations but we have a screenshot of this already. LOL.

Ok
Slayerforever,
watch out for Maleszenawi, Juliusmalema, oneeast, omomanambala, osageyefo, arewwa or arrewa, I have a long list of his monikers. He is indicted in this online media war. He is very proficient and the master of deception. It has been also discovered that he is not working alone.

To get this particular person, you just have to say something bad about Fulani, he will come crawling out o his hole. He speaks or understands or writes Igbo very well. his activities are beyond Nairaland. Intelligence was gathered but he has a bigger motivation because he earns money for all his efforts, this is a full-time job for him.

SlayerForever:
Ekealterego it's time to do a thread on this. I will do the honours. But hold this screenshot. You will post it there after my opening post. Please.

Bkayy assuming you had screenshot the previous rubbish they wrote we would have used it now.

I wish I can ask the admins on "Proudly Rivers Igbo". "Proudly Anioma; proudly Igbo". they are very much aware of these cyber attacks and shenanigans. Although they are almost all Igbos from rivers state and Delta state, if you manage to get into the group, you will understand how much efforts these minorities put in for these propagandas.
Bkayy, Slayerforever, go and feel the place a little bit. Those guys are much more aware. It was some of them from Ndoki in Rivers state that cleared out those Ijaws elements in their groups because the minorities were using those avenue to preach their evil messages to Ndoki in Abia state.

SlayerForever:
It says last edited 3 minutes ago. Please what was changed before

I guess the whole of Abia state is under serious cyber attack. LOL. Same thing they did to the Igbere Wikipedia page until they gave up.
They switched everything Igbo to Ijaw. just to give you the context and location of Igbere. It is located tight inside Bende close to Abriba, Item and close to Isuikwuato.

BKayy:
Check out what they did to Ngwá Wikipedia three days ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngwa

I no fit laugh.
God knows I am not touching . I leave it to ndị Ngwá. If it is their decision to leave it that way, I totally endorse It

I guess the Ngwa people are fighting back though. What was there?

SlayerForever:
Do you know that new Calabar is Kalabari?

The second material though. Why are Ijaw so fond of miltancy, even from 300 years ago

For sure, New calabar is kalabari.

ImembaN:
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She wrote in Ngwa...
Only an Ngwa man and few Ikwerre will understand...

Blessing Imemba aka omah Kristal aka Crystal Imemba. Zukwanuike.
All your efforts are not working. Yiour activities and propaganda have been duely noted by some Ngwa elders and all those posts you have been given to spread, all archived. Sooner, you will see, internet gurus are now looking into your case but since non of your efforts in recent time are have penetrated anywhere at all, your accounts and any similarities in your posts have now been put on Red alert on major platforms.

I just thought i should pass the message to you.

For now, there are volunteers willing to go on a massive counterattack on the other side. I know you know what I mean.

Anonymous15:
I am not the one shifting goal post, it seem you learned this grammar of recent.
*first you claimed Nembe is Igbo, we trashed that and even an Igbo person who served at Nembe confirmed Nembe wasn't, even your so called baikie didn't link the language to Igbo
*secondly you said igbos were never slave to the ijaws, and I proved you wrong by how igbos were bought and sold to the white men. those days high chiefs used Igbo women to gift their fellow ijaw chiefs as concubines (I don't want to use sex slave out of diplomacy or mutual respect (
*thirdly you said Igbo men were Kings in ijoh land and I mentioned ONLY in opobo because owazurumba (renamed to Jubo jubogha an ijaw name) aka Jaja of Opobo eyed to oust the ancient perekule dynasty which rulled ibani and he was Banished. The igbos feared and revered us. they even took ijaw names upon themselves.

now if Jaja who was the wealthiest and most influential Igbo man couldn't become king and was banished, which clown of an Igbo King became king in any other ijaw land? you kept mention baikie baikie. MENTION THE NAME OF THE KING, even your baikie couldn't.
For those who studies international relations will understand the game being played behind the scenes in international politics.
The English men who came in the 1600s were very few and were under the rules and control of the Portuguese and their king; Alfonso the sixth because it was the Portuguese who controlled the region. The British were the biggest slave traders, and the Americas were there depot. THEY THEMSELVES requested IGBO SLAVES to farm their colony in the Americas but when the United States of America united and got Independence following the beginning of the American revolution in 1775 under the leadership of their exceptional general; George Washington, the British didn't have any colony and couldn't profit in slavery anymore but before then what did they do? they befriended the ijoh's, they even learnt the languages. the Ijaw wealthy men sent some of their sons to study in England, and we even bared English names, visit old archives, no body was more affiliated to the British than the ijaws, even my family name is British just as most ijaw men. but following American's independent, the European powers which made their wealth from slave trade met in the Berlin conference of 1884-85 to look for another means to enrich themselves, the British eyed Nigeria and their palm plantations which belonged to the igbos and the igbos whom use to be their slaves, whom use to receive mean treatments from them became their buddies, and they boosted your ego, made the igbos the golden child and the igbos swelled like overnight cassava. They discarded the ijoh's because slave trade wasn't lucrative anymore, they shifted to the igbos because they had PALM OIL in abundance, THEY BEFRIENDED them "national interest" and they fell out finally with the ijoh's after King William Fredrick Koko mingi VIII waged war on them and laid to waste their money making machine (royal Niger company) In the akassa raid of 1895.
you think the British care about you? India use to be the richest country in the world till britain happened. they come in, use Theodore Roosevelt's carrot and sticks tactics to entice you, go ahead to rewrite your history to sell to the white Media just like that bullshit baikie talk about Igbo being king in ijaw yet he couldn't even mention the name of the king.
isn't your Britain still the same country that threw a spanner in your wheel during the Nigerian civil war and helped the Nigerian troops lay waist to your Ethnic group??
yet you're here twerking for baikie and the other British publishers who seduced your people with sweet words and all y'all did was twerk like a stripper for them because they wrote about your blacksmith etc, are your blacksmith even up to the standards of the blacksmith at Ife or ogun?
make you use your head.
nigga I abandoned all my books in my parents house to concentrate on making money, nwa'nnem ga'cho ego. even if you read everything from now till 2030, you won't still cover 10% of what I read.

Slayerforever, Igboid, Bkayy. This is what I was looking for self. You can see that Brass (which comprises of Nembe) was mentioned in my first account

See the second account shows that Ijaws were canoe dwelling, no land having pirates.

Anonymous15:
I am not the one shifting goal post, it seem you learned this grammar of recent.
*first you claimed Nembe is Igbo, we trashed that and even an Igbo person who served at Nembe confirmed Nembe wasn't, even your so called baikie didn't link the language to Igbo
*secondly you said igbos were never slave to the ijaws, and I proved you wrong by how igbos were bought and sold to the white men. those days high chiefs used Igbo women to gift their fellow ijaw chiefs as concubines (I don't want to use sex slave out of diplomacy or mutual respect (
*thirdly you said Igbo men were Kings in ijoh land and I mentioned ONLY in opobo because owazurumba (renamed to Jubo jubogha an ijaw name) aka Jaja of Opobo eyed to oust the ancient perekule dynasty which rulled ibani and he was Banished. The igbos feared and revered us. they even took ijaw names upon themselves.

now if Jaja who was the wealthiest and most influential Igbo man couldn't become king and was banished, which clown of an Igbo King became king in any other ijaw land? you kept mention baikie baikie. MENTION THE NAME OF THE KING, even your baikie couldn't.
For those who studies international relations will understand the game being played behind the scenes in international politics.
The English men who came in the 1600s were very few and were under the rules and control of the Portuguese and their king; Alfonso the sixth because it was the Portuguese who controlled the region. The British were the biggest slave traders, and the Americas were there depot. THEY THEMSELVES requested IGBO SLAVES to farm their colony in the Americas but when the United States of America united and got Independence following the beginning of the American revolution in 1775 under the leadership of their exceptional general; George Washington, the British didn't have any colony and couldn't profit in slavery anymore but before then what did they do? they befriended the ijoh's, they even learnt the languages. the Ijaw wealthy men sent some of their sons to study in England, and we even bared English names, visit old archives, no body was more affiliated to the British than the ijaws, even my family name is British just as most ijaw men. but following American's independent, the European powers which made their wealth from slave trade met in the Berlin conference of 1884-85 to look for another means to enrich themselves, the British eyed Nigeria and their palm plantations which belonged to the igbos and the igbos whom use to be their slaves, whom use to receive mean treatments from them became their buddies, and they boosted your ego, made the igbos the golden child and the igbos swelled like overnight cassava. They discarded the ijoh's because slave trade wasn't lucrative anymore, they shifted to the igbos because they had PALM OIL in abundance, THEY BEFRIENDED them "national interest" and they fell out finally with the ijoh's after King William Fredrick Koko mingi VIII waged war on them and laid to waste their money making machine (royal Niger company) In the akassa raid of 1895.
you think the British care about you? India use to be the richest country in the world till britain happened. they come in, use Theodore Roosevelt's carrot and sticks tactics to entice you, go ahead to rewrite your history to sell to the white Media just like that bullshit baikie talk about Igbo being king in ijaw yet he couldn't even mention the name of the king.
isn't your Britain still the same country that threw a spanner in your wheel during the Nigerian civil war and helped the Nigerian troops lay waist to your Ethnic group??
yet you're here twerking for baikie and the other British publishers who seduced your people with sweet words and all y'all did was twerk like a stripper for them because they wrote about your blacksmith etc, are your blacksmith even up to the standards of the blacksmith at Ife or ogun?
make you use your head.
nigga I abandoned all my books in my parents house to concentrate on making money, nwa'nnem ga'cho ego. even if you read everything from now till 2030, you won't still cover 10% of what I read.

Man, it seems you are blind to the truth. i have sent you the name of the kings written boldly in the testaments many times.

I am not here to convince you because obviously like your drunk brothers, even if I bring 300 written evidence as i have done throughout our conversation, you will still argue.

I argue with facts, receipts and evidence, you on the other hand, talk like your ogogoro drunk brothers. Here are 3 different accounts AGAIN.
1. The testimony of King people to Crwother that Bonny were mainly Igbos and what they are called
2. W. F. Daniel and R. G. Latham in 1948 confirming that Bonny were Igboes
3. King Pepple and Amachree in New Calabar confirming that they the king are Igbos and his people are Igbos too.

Are you going to argue again?

Seun:
This particular spill looks like the fault of the oil company though. It's not the typical pipeline vandalism situation.

Hi Seun, as Nairaland's contribution towards preventing environmental pollution in these areas, don't you think it is a good idea to have a pinned thread on the politics section where people could update and upload the state of pollution, recovery or progress in these oil producing areas.

That will be a big contribution from you. Locals can update the thread with these information and could be a big repository for such information.

Just a suggestion.

Anonymous15:
brother man you have been mentioning baikie,crowther and one other English man and Their books were written in the late 1800s because the Englishmen ONLY BEGAN TRADING IN THE 1800s.
now you want to sneak in James Barbot.
is it James Barbot that said igbos were Kings in ijaw land?
since I have been beging you to mention the king's name, you do not want to mention it.
it was only Jubo jubogha who became a king in an ijaw territory after he TRIED TO BE AMAYANABO in ibani, and ousting the ruling Perekule dynasty, he was banished. if the wealthiest and most influential Igbo trader was banished for trying to overthrow a dynasty, what kponkious Igbo man of yours rulled an ijaw kingdom?
who??
I beg you mention the name, you're bringing James Barbot.
you think you can confuse me with names? nigga I've been reading books since I was 7, I had Access to gadgets even at an early age and I read aggressively till I stopped reading to chase money.
you can't tell me nonesense, I pride myself as an ijaw Man and from an ethnicity who were resilient warriors.
If not for the current crop of generations who forgot whom they were and chased frivolities. The Ijaw men traded with the Dutch, and then the Portuguese.
the English men came later later on and because of palm oil began to favor the Igbo and chose the race as their favored race.
your Igbo men feared and Respected us, and even renamed their children to ijaw names.
the other clown claimed no ijaw men entered ala Igbo to raid slaves.
ijaw men captured one mbanaso okwarazurumba of Amaigbo in present day imo state, renamed him Jubo jubogha (aka Jaja) and wanted to send him aboard slave ship like the norm, but for the British slave trade halting on 1 may 1807, their Navy which has been sailing the seas and rescuing slaves stopped it. they chose the igbos as their favored tribe because of palm oil which was enormous in Igbo land and began to change history and you lots began twerk for the British media.
I maintain that it was only Opobo and ibo man ruled, never in any other ijaw land.
if you still maintain it, dig up your British lieng book and mention the name of the king.

You are obviously not so knowledgeable about what you are discussing about.
The other guys I mentioned came 1823, I even uploaded the publication date and title page. Baikie finished his works already in 1841. Captain Crow from Liverpool came 1831, 10 years before Baikie... I only cited one or two in the last 1880s for the sake of relevance to the particular case I was making reference to.

You keep moving the goal post. When Barbot came in 1699, there were English men trading there already. The second tide of English men who came during Baikie's time was to access the state of the slave trade and to monitor if it has ended.

Then the British crown have taken their interest off slavery and had abolished it and were looking at colonisation, civilisation, trade, labour, exploration and search for resources and of course religion.

Barbot recorded his that English men were there trading in slavery when he came. He even mentioned the price or costs. This is 1699. Unlike the other English men who came for the purpose of slavery alone, Barbot came for ethnographic, anthropological and exploration work also.

Anonymous15:
you are daft indeed.
the English men began trading in southern Nigeria in the 1830's but they wrote a book older than Ogiriki's grandad. you see how daft you sound??
how did they know the history of a people all the while they were in England when they haven't even set foot in southern Nigeria.
bro this is the greatest daftness of all time.
Ogiriki was a Reverend and did not need to study history as he witnessed events FIRST HAND. those he didn't witnessed, he enquired from the oldest and wisest men who witnessed events in their time or had other older people who witnessed events. don't be a fool, you are more matured than this.
I told you to mention the exact same name of the king you claim is an Igbo man and you tell me you won't argue with a minority.

Stop speaking on things you know nothing about.

The book "A Voyage to New Calabar River in the Year 1699" by James Barbot was published in 1699. He visited Bonny and New Calabar in 1699 already and published his journal same year.
He traded there and bought goods and received gifts. He also bought some Igbo swords, and the illustrations of the specimens are in his journal with other specimens he bought.

Nigercity:
They go about editing wikepdia
Check ngwa on Wikipedia an see they nonsense
The idiot wrote there
Indirectly insulting ngwa people

Is just that ndi igbo are not jobless like this other tribes
Trying to cause division

They did the same with Igbere on Wikipedia. Igbere people have changed it now.
as Bkayy said, there is a massive cyber attack.

SlayerForever:

Bkayy, Slayerforever.... These IYC are actually working overtime. The stuuuppiidd imemba was even caught by Ngwa people before.

See Evidence.

Anonymous15:
i asked you to read William Balfour on language.
now I asked you to read rev Daniel Ogiriki ockiya.
I can't accept fallacy, your screenshots are blanked shots and it didn't mention THE NAME of the king that was Igbo in calabari or okrika.
there is no king in ijoh land with a king from an Igbo father, you kept showing me pages, nigga make the highlight and mention THE NAME OF THE KING. are you this daft?
all these history I have told you was from the book written by Daniel Ogiriki ockiya in the 1800s, nigga fetch the book and stop believing trash.
ok if Balfour said a king in kalabari or okrika was an Igbo, I dare you to mention the name of the king you are here showing me screenshots which didn't even mention the name of the king.
for the umpteenth time MENTION THE NAME OF THE KING.
don't you know how to read English??
MENTION THE NAME OF THE KING.

The ogirika was born in 1874, trained by white missionaries but failed most of his exams. He did no historian, nor an ethnographer.

The history I gave you was written before Ogirika's grandfather even got married.


kiss the truth.

If I dig up his books now and give you, will shift the goal post for the 5th time. I have better things to do with my life than dragging with minorities.

Anonymous15:
dude, I referred those books to you for a particular purpose on the LANGUAGES, and not to read false historical accounts. balkie and the other two have been known to twist historical accounts or give several accounts. do you think the other two writers won't refer to his book when writing there's?? and all of them are from England. English men only began trading in the south in the 1800s and you're bringing up their write-ups about history long before 1400... you see your life?? you can't tell me otherwise, I am very far away from my library that is why I can't snap my own excerpt. I have books by indigenous authors written in the 1800s. you can source for it and not some white men account which are not 100% authentic. go and look for Rev Daniel Ogiriki Ockiya's history book, he was one of the very few learned Nigerian men in the 1800s, and many events he witnessed or enquired it from very old people who witnessed or got information because oral history passed down from father to sons were the way africans told their story and not a white man who came and wrote his books based on observation. there is a masquerade ceremony practiced in okrika in particular and it looks like a python in the river, whenever this masquerade is performed several people dies or goes Missing in the water. the okrika people went to the Aro juju and the Aro juju asked them to trace their ancestry and how the practice began and go and pay Homage, guess where Aro told them to go??
Nembe.
the okrika people migrated to that place following a spiritual epidemic which wiped out people in the 6 old ancient settlement that unified to form Nembe as you know it. stop bringing screenshots from white men, what's up with you?
why are you twerking for the white man?
if the white man tells you you come from benin, will you believe? after that epidemic, people from modern day Nembe dispersed to okrika, the okrika still performs the sacred python masquerade on the water till this day, some Nembeians dispersed to kalabari, some to ibani, that is the reason why I as a Nembe man can hear the kalabari man speak, that is why I can hear the okrika and the ibani people speak, but you as an Igbo man can you hear any of the language?
stop coming here to make fun of YOURSELF, the igbos who were traders or slaves bent to the ijoh's, gave their daughters to them for wives so as to gain their good will or be allowed to trade. the ijoh's TOOK THE WOMEN FOR WIVES because in ijoh land the matrilineal law states that the woman owns the child, once and ijoh man marries an ijoh woman, the children will answer the woman's family name except it was a marriage of the big dowry system which involved many sacrifices and was very expensive and only Kings married in that system, because of that the ijoh men took those Igbo women so the matrileneal law won't come to play. if you had said INTERMARRIED, it would have been better but for you to say they were igbos, you have lied and disrespected the men who took them for wives. stop capping bull crap.

Another shifting of goal post.

yawn. Who will read all your bear parlour stories.

cite books and give me historical accounts of anthropological works. Not all these beer parlour history.. I guess I expected too much from you.

Igbo men were your kings, accept the truth.

ChinenyeN:
Here we go again. Can you really not tall people apart?

I didn't say you are Osageyefo8 or Juliusmalema.
That one is a crazy Aboki guy.

I am just saying you should point out who else is parroting your philosophy except for the troll moniker created by Osageyefo8? No one else.

ChinenyeN:
Typical. Igbo people always want someone else to take responsibility for malicious behavior done by other from their clan or ethnicity, but will never want to take responsibility themselves for the actions of their own kinsmen.



I doubt Ngwa people want your help on this matter. Between the petitions of 1910 - 1940 and the current ongoing Aba State movement, it seems evident that those Ngwa people who truly want it are busy taking the initiative and have been doing so for a while. Thanks for your offer, but no thanks.



This thread is full of Ngwa people independently voicing discontent and suspicion of Igbo to vary degrees of intensity, and you want to dismiss four Ngwa people and talk about “lies peddled by you” as if they are the only Ngwa people thinking or feeling such things. This your statement above is disingenuous. At this point, I know that if I ever want to have a real discussion with an Igbo person about moving Igbo forward, it won’t be with you. You seem just as disingenuous as your fellow Igbo propagandists.

There is no other person other than your alternative moniker on this platform. You have been on this battle for at least 10 years.
Can you name any other person other than your Sani Haruna (Osageyefo8) supporting you on your pipedreams?

BKayy:
What you just described is your personal stupidity that does not in any way relate to the Good people of Ngwa.

Or are you telling us to accept your inferiority complex over the dignified self esteem of Abaribe?

You disappoint me. The person you are debating with is Sani Haruna. He grew up in Ala Igbo. He is the same person as Juliusmalema and Osageyefo8.
Why discuss Umunna issues with an outsider?

SlayerForever:
Ohooo! If people within the state cannot even differentiate then what are this people talking about Anambrarians doing this and Enugu doing that.

I cannot come here to tell lies na. It is very silly to imply Enugu of all places would be doing whatever. We know how non involved the average Anambrarian is about things happening so far away from home. So what is this rubbish we're reading here?

That's why I was disappointed that you guys who should navigate these places well couldn't tell that Juliusmalema real name Sani Haruna.

Abians are mainly division by tribes is very complicated for there to be too much tribalism, except normal politician rhetorics.

Those talk about Enugu and Anambra is rubbish. In the urban areas in Abia state, you can even hardly tell the Abians apart. They all use practically a central dialect within Aba. The language in Aba in pretty much neutral and a conglomerate of all Igbos.

ImembaN:
...
I'm glad you pointed out that despite the fact that Abia State leaders has failed Ndi Abia....
IKPEAZU is not the worst like the are trying to paint him...

Sani Haruna aka Yyeske aka juliusmalema

What is your point?

Myexdisturbs:
Lmao, you still made same error you accused others of making. Enugu is a new creation just like igbo (as you claimed) by the British and Nigerian govt. They're different groups in Enugu with different lifestyles and culture who don't have anything in common, Nkanu, Udi, Ngwo, Nike, Awgu. So you're saying absolutely nonsense

Stop giving that troll attention, that guy is Sani (real name). He is the same person as Osageyefo8 and Juliusmalema. He is trolling you guys.

SlayerForever:
If this parochial mindset displayed by some Igbos here is the norm amongst majority of Ngwa people then it is very disappointing indeed in all honesty and may explain how they have sucessfully relegated themselves to the very back from the level they were decades ago. It seems Umuahia is forging ahead.

What remains sacrosanct is that if you are busy pointing fingers at other Igbos over your plight instead of picking yourselves up and advancing your community, then you are very shameless. Some clans in Enugu have been typically fond of that. But it seems they are realizing the acute stupidity of such behavior.

A bare truth I have learnt in life is that, for every chronic underachiever someone else is always the cause of their problems.

I am disappointed that Juliusmalema aka osageyefo8 aka Yyeske aka area4area seem to achieve what he wanted to achieve by resurrecting a 10 year old thread.
Even an Abia person who is not grounded in Abia state cannot tell the difference between an Ngwa and an Ndoki person or Asa person.

No place is Abia is functioning or forging more than the other, city wise, I believe people are taking their development to the most is their individual towns. Abariba people have done this most successfully. However, I don't even think an Umuahia can tell an Abariba person from an Igbere person even though they are just few kilometres from these two places. People living in Aba (Indigenes and non-indigenes) call people from those old Bende area, "Ndi Ogbo" because their dialect is perculiar.

It is only politicians that are crazy sometimes to even attempt to use tribe there. I believe the people there are more loyal to towns and communities rather than even LGAs.
Their leaders are all failures though, whether Orji Uzo Kalu from the Bende area or T.A Orji from Umuhia area (the worst) or Ikpeazu from (Ngwa). They seem to have fairly better and intellectual senators
but the individuals are trying.

ChinenyeN:
You people are seriously daft. Why are you making claims about things I never said? Not once did I claim to be representative of Ngwa people, and not once did I claim that Ngwa people are trying to leave "Igbo". I'd like you to point it out, if I did.

Quote the guy who said you said so, neither did I, what I meant in my answer to him was about the trail of information that probably should have been left in another arena.

shantti:
I acknowledge that you people from ngwa might be stereotyped,there are diplomatic ways to address that, but threatening to leave Igbo nation as if u are the driving force of other Igbo groups is what I find annoying. If u want to go, go.

Brother, do not be emotional. This thread was open years ago when Igbos on this nairaland were busy fighting each other. It was a disgraceful era and generation of Igbos on nairaland. This thread is like 10 years old.
It was resurrected by the Aboki guy Juliusmaleme and his numerous monikers. He also used the information from ChinenyeN on Nairaland to open a new thread to troll, you guys. Everybody knows him. His moniker is Juliusmalema, Osagyefo8, Maleszenawi and maybe 10 other monikers, he replies himself to instigate false dialogues.
Do not be fooled!

shantti:
Stop quoting this guy, you are making him feel important. It will look as if we are begging them to stay. If an important and valuable sub Igbo group wants to split, I will lie down and cry and beg them not to split. But ngwa people,lol, our land mass won't even feel the impact, abia state is one of the smallest state in the south east and ngwa is not even occupying the entire state. Make them go abeg. Important have even started to identify with us, the opobo people.

See leave ChinenyeN, do not be fooled into thinking that his thought is representative of his people. It is quite the opposite. If you know Ala Ngwa very well and you understand Abia state very well, you will know this.
Do not insult Ngwa lash out at Abia state people because of his thoughts.

If anyone should feel pricked about lost glory in Abia state, it should be Arochukwu or Old Bende. These were historically the most influential. Ngwa only started gaining prominence because of Britain. Even Ngwa are overshadowing the identity of the Ndokis and those ones are crying too.

And the other guy is an Igala Boy, the foremost Igbo hater who happened to grow up in Igbo land and also have been able to gather enough information to use to fight Umu-Igbo also thanks to the ChinenyeN and his crew.

However, do not drag the whole of Abia or even Ngwa into the argument, those thoughts are his alone.

ChinenyeN:
Not once have I stated that Ngwa people (or I, for that matter) want to split off. All I'm saying is give room for those communities that do. So addressing me is a waste of time. Perhaps, address the Igbo propagandists so that they too will be like you and stop dragging it with those communities that do not want to be included.

This is what you get when you take discussions like this to the wrong forum. There were appropriate quarters where you could debate very bright people without soiling the Igbo or even Ngwa name but instead, you and your likes have created a catalogue of books for bad publicity through your wishful utopian philosophies of what Igbo nationalism of otherwise should be.

Against what was obtainable before, there are 100s of forums and Igbo groups where you could have these discussions even with people of like minds and still maintain the sanctity of your origin and not create an endless catalogue of information for haters to use.
As I have observed over time, you guys lack the tact to undergo and take this type of philosophical journey. You dreaming a utopian fantasy.

Anonymous15:
bro this is very very very very false.
do not let the kalabaris see this or they'll rain curses on your head.
amachree was an illegitimate son to king Daba of the old kalabari (elem kalabari) because he didn't want his wife to know, he kept him at ke to grow. he grew up with some igbos who traded there.
when Daba died, and his son became king, his son also died and Amachree being the only surviving son of Daba became the king. he re-formed kalabari and became their greatest ever king and formed a new dynasty of the new kalabari you know now.
he was of the loins of king Daba, not from any Igbo man.

and on pepple war canoe house is of the line of perekule, I mentioned it. jubo jubogha aka Jaja was an ibo man who tried to call the shots in ibani and like I always said, the ijaws never let any body not of their ancient house become king. Jaja eyed the throne of ibani, chief oko jumbo stood in his way and they fell out. Jaja angrily left ibani and went to settle at Opobo, that was how he dominated and took over at Opobo... he couldn't do that at ibani because the ibani's are ever loyal to the perekule bloodline. remember the pepple war house are divided into two houses (Manila pepple headed by oko jumbo who was pure ibani-ijaw and the Annie pepple faction headed by Jaja who was Igbo)
chief jumbo saw Jaja wanted to become ruler of ibani like I mentioned before, the ibos always wanting to claim when there were living males in the perekule bloodline. oko jumbo chased Jaja away and supported prince George the son of the deposed king dappa who was studying in England. prince George returned and became the 6th perekule of ibani while Jaja and many of his Igbo goons moved to opobo and took over.
many people wrote several accounts, and like I mentioned earlier, opobo was the only ijaw Nation who was igbonized.

You are very funny. I gave you an excerpt from a transcript from the king of Bonny and king of New Calabar 200 years ago and you and writing a long story.
This is where I have problems with you people, I gave you recepts from 3 different written historical transcripts from the respective king's mouth and many of these accounts were from THE SAME ACCOUNTS you told me to make reference from and you are here still disputing it?
You know I called out your hypocrisy out earlier in face of clear evidence and how you shift your goal post earlier. This is another one again. I can come with my own stories too.
I will find you another account even about Okrika too, but I know you will talk another long story to refute it.

By the way, I am yet to see one neutral account from you.

This is from "The lower Niger and its people written between 1888 and !906., One of the excerpt is from Johnston.
@slayrforever, bkayy, please save some of these accounts, sometimes these mods wipe out most of them.
The accounts and uploads from vintagepipes, I cannot find them again.

ThickSharon123:
Hello dear, you quoted the wrong person. I'm not Anonymous15

Sorry Nne

Anonymous15:
I do not doubt that, the ebos always trade in other people's land, even now. they were many in Bonny, but for you to say they became kings, never. they weren't even chiefs let alone king.
I still await you bro, I have read all those books over two times.
call me the name of the king that was an Igbo man, that will be asking for too much...
call me a chieftaincy war house headed by an Igbo man or owned by an Igbo man because for you to even be a king, you must be a chief from an ancient war canoe house.

Brother check my sources. Igbos were kings in Bonny and New kalabar. The Kings themselves mentioned this.
Reply, do you still doubt or do you need more? I have 100s of evidence from written records 200 years ago

Anonymous15:
population isn't what brings you greatness or win you wars. the Spartans in Greece weren't the most populous but they were more organised and fierce.
I want to clear you again for the umpteenth time, the ijoh's never worshiped Aro juju, chineke'nna why you no dey hear something? we only went there to seek out answers or seek out justice because justice won't be corrupted if the people involved aren't really known. like for instance, when chief koki and son of king amain (mingi V) vied for the throne with his uncle chief kien, in about the year 1846. they didn't take the matter to oroamabiri juju town because these people were known and prominent around there. so they needed the cleanest verdict, they took the matter to Aro. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ARO WAS WORSHIPED. ogbeni I dn Taya to clear you.
the ijoh have 51 clans, in my clan alone, there are about 4 deities, now let's say there are about 4 deities in each of the 51 ijoh clans, 4×51 you sef check am na. you can say the ijoh's worshiped Aro, we only Respected it for it's clean verdict.
you do not need population to run things, you need smartness, brute, and will power and we can both agree no tribe was more brutal than the ijoh's, they were war mongers, they still are (the Niger delta avengers and other militants faction)
Man these accounts by the kings, I got some of the excerpts by the same books you everd and mentioned.

now on the kalabari issue, the amachree dynasty has ALWAYS RULLED, ALWAYS RULED AND OWNED KALABARI. do not bring someone's account to claim the kalabari because it is an insult to king Amachree of blessed memory.
the ibani's are never igbos, but igbos were allowed to come and trade. the founder and the founder of Nembe are brothers of the same parents, ibani was the first to settle on a beautiful fine sand bank were beautiful birds called okolain were enormous, so he pitched his camp with all his people there, while Nembe continued on his journey.
Asimini was crowned the first king and his descendants ruled for generations. currently the perekule dynasty rules ibani, and perekule himself descended from Asimini who in turn came from ibani.
igbos have blood ties there, because they traded there and naturalized with them but still went through perekule who owned the trade in that region. so how come the Bonny Kings and kalabari Kings are ibos? brother man how??
same thing with Nembe, ibo slaves who naturalized there or intermarried because ijoh men for generations has always taken a like on ibo women(I don't know why) maybe it is a blood thing, because even me myself have always dated ibo women.
that doesn't mean ibos owned this place. the ijoh's are always fiercly loyal to name and family. if you don't hail from a major royal blood line you can't be king.
it was only the Opobo's whom were overshadowed by ibos when they let Jaja rule them because Jaja was an Igbo man, that was how opobo whom use to be an ijaw Nation lost its ijohness and it's language.
stop showing me snapped books without verification. why didn't they mention the name of the king that was Igbo?

The transcript of the King was with Crowther and Baikie.
Captain Adams and the Landers have the same account.

Bonny was chiefly populated by the Igbos, the account is there. These are books written over 200 years ago.

I am not quoting random boks. I am taking excerpts from the same books you mentioned.

I will send you this again, from Captain Adams from Liverpool (1823), Baikie, (1841) ad others.

Anonymous15:
I am not shifting goal post bro, I have not engaged in nairaland debate for a long time.
I am not using language, visit online journals and read on the lander brothers report, they have been touring every part of Nigeria in the 17/1800s to write reports for the British crown in those days, they were kidnapped and were about to be killed by king amachree, but it was king forday kulo (mingi the IV) who paid their randsome and set them free.
read their accounts and they will tell you about the pride and uniqueness of the Nembe/brass men. we helped to mediate peace between other ijoh nations because the average ijoh man is agressive and hostile.
Kula is a kalabari community and were arguably the first to get Portuguese visitation in the 1400s but these kula men killed and drove them away.
read these British and Portuguese accounts, even the Dutch to traded for a short time with us, they never mentioned any igboness in us.
you can also read on William Balfour linguistic study of the Ijaw languages in the 18th century if you don't want to take my own, maybe you will take a white man's own.
that's what you Africans do, take the white man's opinion.

Well, either ways, I respect you more than your other Ijaws here who ramble like psychotic drunks. You know the existence of these books, which is respect as well.
You mention instances and books, as a fellow book lover, I have no choice than to respect that. Maybe that is the Igbo DNA which you claimed you have because all your peers on this platform are something else.