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I noticed just now too rather than typing "Edo", you are typing "EDO."

While I respect my neighbors the [size=18pt]EDO[/size] and their culture and historical accomplishments, I am also proud of that of my own people, the yoruba.

Hehe

Please do not mistake friendliness and general goodwill for subservience, fawning, envy, or whatever else you seem to think.

PapaBrowne:
errm . . . no! I didn't miss the point.
I know its all politics. And I stated my views early enough.
But my reference here is to the undertones by both parties and they depict a prostration and a validation of superiority of the EDO heritage.
A neutral reader will come up with the conclusion that the group being discussed is perceived as seniors by the discussing groups.

This PapaBrowne fella is high as a kite

PapaBrowne:
Secondly, even though on the facade it feels like a pawn in a chess game btw the two, the undertones from both parties (Yoruba and Igbo) in this argument portray and accord a seeming superiority towards the EDOs. If a total stranger goes through this thread, he would be left with the opinion that the EDO people must be of a special breed. That's the point I tried to present albeit in subtlety.

Err

Then you missed the point.

Here is the game:

1) SS+SE alliance depends on viewing the two other major ethnic groups in Nigeria as enemies.
2) If a part of the SS is chummy with one of those groups, then this story some are trying to sell is not credible.

It has nothing to do with some sort of love, admiration, superiority of Edos or whatever. . . the OP's agenda was purely political.

Like, I am scratching my head wondering how you totally missed the road in this whole thread.

Both sides made various claims about the former.

But the overwhelming majority of comments regarding the latter were from SE folk.

Eh, I don't think "other groups" is accurate.

There is one group (Igbo) which has done that in this thread.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=864525.msg10138774#msg10138774 date=1328580006]Ekt-bear, you can also read "Movements, borders, and identities in Africa By Toyin Falola, some great analysis in there too to help with your questions.[/quote]I'll put that book also on my todo list. Thanks.

@isale_gan2 and @Katsumoto: Haha, point taken. Still, let me put my efforts into learning guns. Plus then I'll be motivated to learn how to mass-produce them cheaply, also 

This is a bigger strategic advantage than mastering swordfare, imo.

A little side project of mine that I've not had time to complete (because it is too much work for one man) is to place a copy of "The History of the Yorubas" online, freely available.

The copyright on it has expired, so technically it is in the public domain.

There is a scanned+OCRed version of it available online (see here: http://www.archive.org/details/historyofyorubas00john and here: http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john_djvu.txt), but it has many many errors/typos that I've been fixing manually.

Perhaps it is time for me to upload it somewhere in a Wikipedia-style format so that the Yoruba community at large can help me fix the errors.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=864525.msg10138675#msg10138675 date=1328577257]I won't argue with that assessment.  That book was the first I thought of.  I know there are more scholarly and detailed works.  But I remember reading quite a bit about the Ekiti-Ijesha dichotomy in there.

Honestly, you are too Americanised!   A sword takes you back to the past - thoughts of nobility, duels,  chivalry. . .  Brings back thoughts of your forebear you just mentioned.  

Dude, you need to be one with your past.    We're talking about swords that a warrior on horseback would have handled and you're talking about some cheap handgun that LA gangbangers, street thugs and crackheads would use to mug tourists on the street. lol.

*I foresee another fight between me and Ekt_Bear o.  Who shall referee this time?*  [/quote]Haha. Chivalry is dead.

Plus it takes much less time to learn to use a gun well than to become a decent swordsman.

3 months of training at the local range is probably enough to become good with guns. . .

I'm just trying to be somewhat practical

Your advice is no doubt well-intended, but I don't remember asking you to offer it.

Go find another thread to troll.

Like I said earlier, it is important to avoid being baited by people who are not worthy of discussing with.

Already we have had 3 or so such posters on this thread.

I'll try, lol.

Though I suspect a hand gun or ak-47 might be more suitable for the Nigerian setting. . .

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=864525.msg10138611#msg10138611 date=1328575911]A sword from that long ago.  Do you now what it looks like?  You could find an image online and post.  I'm curious to see it.  It reminds me of watching TV programmes like American Roadshow(?) and seeing caucasians bringing in antique African daggers and swords that they claim was bought (looted!) by their grandfathers during some "liberation" war or the other.  Stolen Benin artifacts and Eqyptian mummies, anyone?  [/quote]I cannot remember what it looks like 

I saw it and held it age 15, but by when I came again to visit our town in 2006, it was gone.

I didn't realize the significance of it at the time. I should have taken pictures. . .

The book, Kingdoms of the Yoruba, is one book where that aspect was covered in some detail.  I would recommend it because it is compact and can be a quick read.
 
http://books.google.com/books/about/Kingdoms_of_the_Yoruba.html?id=p3d1AAAAMAAJ

Thanks, I'll take a look at it. Always good to learn about your personal history.

This thread has nothing to do with Yoruba any more. At this point, we have said all that needs to be said.

It is purely a SS and SE affair now.

They can discuss this "economic colonization" of minorities in the East, the words of the Oba of Benin, exactly how they are all related.

We wash our hands of this thread.

And let the record stand that the above picture is misleading.

Those fighting to assert themselves over Edo in this thread are Igbo, not Yoruba. . . there is no symmetry between our positions.

We have claimed a historical connection, but are not saying that this is necessarily any reason to be joined at the hip.

In fact I've advocated the right to self-determination, autonomy and making your own path.

Compare this with the remarks of others. . .

Sometimes it is best to carefully remove yourself from a situation and let natural tensions assert themselves.

Notice that this SS/SE alliance is a highly unnatural one with obvious cracks and fissures, and is unsustainable so long as third parties do not play into the hands of certain actors and let themselves be used as scapegoats

Hehehehe

na wa o

Let the record stand. . . this thread was not started by a Yoruba man, nor was any discord here authored by one.

Lest afterwards someone makes it out to be that it was us pitting X versus Y

If your goal is to develop for the Android (iPhone), you should probably just start with Java (objective C I suppose?). I imagine that it will be VERY rough going though, if you are completely new to programming period.

On the other hand, if you are just interested in learning how to program in general, and aren't specifically interested in making phone apps or whatever, I would suggest Python or Ruby.

(Btw, supposedly you can use scripting languages to write apps for phones.)

Hrm.

Then again, I suppose it is impossible to draw boundaries exactly. And when you have a group who lives on the border of Ekitiland and Ijeshaland, it is likely that they'll be comfortable with both. . . so it doesn't really matter where you put them.

Very interesting.

Btw, one thing I've wondered. What exactly is the difference between Ekiti people and Ijesha people? Are their languages mutually intelligible? Did they have some connection prior to this Ekitiparapo war?

How did the Ijesha come to settle in western Ekitiland? How long have they (or I should say we) been there for?

Some of this stuff is kind of confusing to me. How did we end up in Ekiti State (or I guess the old Ondo State) rather than the old Oyo State?

Also, how did we come to see themselves as Ekiti rather than Ijesha?

odumchi:
Take the Ibibio/Efik for example. The relationship between Ibibio/Efik and Igbo is almost like that of he Hausa and Fulani. Since pre-colonial times, the Igbo (in certain places) have coexisted peacefully with the Ibibio and Efik. For example on my hometown, many people some Ibibio as a second language. Since precolonial times, we have been trading and intermarrying with them.

Who was the Ibibio/Efik equivalent of Usman Dan Fodio, in this analogy of yours?

T9ksy and Rgp92.

Can't you see that he was baiting you? Why did you bother responding?

It is not everything that someone says that is worth responding to.

Obviously for an experienced person, none of the above are fatal flaws.

But for a person relatively new to programming, simpler is best.

Java is not as simple as a language like Python or Ruby for the following reasons:

a) library dependencies. Is your classpath variable set up properly for this external class you want to use?
b) strong typing of java
c) Compiling versus just interpreting a script
d) REPLs (Java has one I've used before, but it isn't very good.)
e) Nice functional features like each(), map(), reduce() are missing from Java (I understand that Java now has an enhanced for loop that is similar to this, but not quite as good.)
f) Java doesn't have first class functions. So if you want to send a function object to another class/function, you first have to wrap it in a class.

All of these things I think make the above two languages a better choice for beginners than Java.

Not to mention the simpler syntax:

1) Semicolons at the end of lines optional in ruby
2) If a method f of an object b has no arguments, can simply write b.f rather than b.f()

Kilode?!: Indeed. I'm not an overly superstitious, religious guy, but at times I wonder. . .

My great-great-grandfather (the man I am named after) fought in this war. We had his sword, but it seems to be "missing" from our family compound

Delomos is again 100% on point

Na wa o

This thread still

Good question.

na wa o

Nigeria.

forwards never, backwards ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGajbkFEjJM

DK, I think that article deserves a thread of its own.

DK: I shall take a look at that. This Nowa Omoigui fellow always talks sensibly.