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hmm

kodewrita:
Besides most of the top coders in the world rely on the P/R scripting languages (PHP, Perl, Python, Ruby) instead of Java. It might seem like a simple personal choice until you attempt to do great stuff and find it so hard to get quality coders.

You can find tons and tons of Java programmers. Many universities use it for their intro programming courses, I think. Probably more Java programmers than any of PHP, Perl, Python or Ruby, I think.

wow

Beaf.

Do you think it is in your capacity to ever trounce me in anything in life? Let alone logic?

At least be honest with yourself

That a bear isn't interested in hunting a squirrel doesn't mean the bear would not rend the squirrel limb from limb. As he has done several times in the past, on this forum.

Na wa o

Interesting. I'll check this out over the weekend.

Meh

Like I said, I don't care what you think. It doesn't matter to me. I said what I said for the benefit of @kodewrita (who appears to be from Ilesha, and thus is also a very distant kinsman of mine)

Federalism = good.

But. . .

9ja voice:
“This is what obtains in the United States of America, where states such as, Utah operates a quasi-theocracy and nobody seems to be complaining about it”, Dukawa said.

This is a gross misrepresentation of what happened. The US did have a huge problem with it and actively surpressed their attempts to create a theocracy. Even using military force to put them down. They do have a pretty socially conservative state and it is nearly impossible to become governor there w/o being a Mormon.

But they still have to follow the secular laws that govern the US.

According to him,  the state of Utah is currently among the top three peaceful,  strong economic and standard education states in America.

Mormons are very hard-working though. Pro-education as well. It is not really their religion alone that has made them excel, but that they take the best from religion (hard work, honesty, sobriety) and use it to successfully navigate the secular world. Mitt Romney is a pretty damn good example of this.

Basically, the Northern Nigerian mentality of "Boko Haram", hatred of the secular world, laziness and indolence is not going to result in anything that looks like Utah. Afghanistan yes, Utah no.

Hehe

Dude doesn't appear to be down with Rick Ross

"You young whippersnappers need to stop playing all that loud rap music!"

There is nothing being "given" to Osun by the FG.

It is Osun's right, under the laws that govern the land.

Even if I gift someone $100, I have no right to say how he spends it. If I don't like how he is spending it, I can stop the gift. But as I said, this is no gift.

@manny4life and @Gbawe: Here is the 2012 Honda Civic hybrid: http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/?ef_id=1D1NJSnvAgAAhhw:20111006175248:s

MRSP = $24k.

Here is the 2012 Honda Civic: http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/

MRSP = $15805.

It has been about 4-5 years since I've looked into this, but at that time the US FG and my state would have given me $3-4k in tax breaks (so a subsidy).

I also went through and used one of those fuel economy calculators that estimate the energy savings over the lifetime of the car. It still wasn't worth it overall for me at that time. Not to mention the mandatory battery replacement necessary, costing about $4k or something ridiculous to get another one.

Now who knows, maybe the story is more compelling in Europe, or for others, I dunno. But it was a very bad deal for me at the time.

kodewrita:
@ekt_bear  artificial boundary or not, the constitution has created the states and they must be respected. Otherwise Rivers would be funding projects in AkwaIbom( similar origins and tribes) or even Delta. Lets face facts and stop rationalising. They are free to have their pan-southwestern party but must work within the confines in which they were  elected by the occupants/indigenes thereof.

Sorry, I missed this post.

I'm not defending Aregbe's actions. I just don't see how his actions concern Beaf and the rest of these PDP rabblerousers with no connection to the SW or Osun. It is none of their business.

hbrednic:
they ( IMF ) warned you mr sanusi,you shouted na lie,

Heh

So I take it that we have resolved this matter of name-dropping with respect to Aregbesola?

Hehe

rokiatu:
LOL

I have said it like 500 times. I am not the girl.

Hmm, ok.

debosky:
@ ekt bear

You miss the point (slightly) - this 'bridge' is LESS COMPLICATED than a flyover and is simply a ramp.

More examples - a 500m flyover in the Philippines costing  ~$4m for 500m, still comes to less than $1m per 100m.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=731740&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Then I'm not convinced that this an apples and apples comparison. 20%-50% contract inflation I can believe.

A factor of 20 or 30 means that either LCC and the Lagos State govt are utterly corrupt, Mobutu Sese Seko style. . . or that we are not comparing things properly.

Road projects in Nigeria are famous for their astronomically inflated costs.

May be true in general, but says nothing about this specific project. Road projects in Nigeria are also famous for not being completed, but this one was, for example.

Debosky: OK, so googling the term "cost of building a flyover", I also get this:

Work on the flyover will start at once, said Israr Saeed, director of the Traffic Engineering and Planning Agency. He said that work on the underpass is subject to the availability of funds. He said that an initial estimate put the cost of building the flyover and underpass at Rs2 billion.

The flyover will be a kilometre long and start and end 500 metres either side of Kalma Chowk on Ferozepur Road.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/123628/flyover-and-underpass-work-on-kalma-chowk-to-start-soon/

So that is $37 million per mile, assuming I've done my conversion between Pakistani Rupees and USD correctly.

Is this not a comparable project? Granted it also includes work on an underpass, which presumably increases the costs.

I think we need more data points before we can conclude that this single data point you provide (a project built for $8 million/mile in India) is actually representative.

Perhaps others can find and post other flyover projects, and calculate the cost. I'll check this thread again in a few hours.

Err, I misread (pretty early in the morning for me).

1.2, not 1.7:

WHAT WOULD IT COST TO BUILD THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE TODAY?

The cost to construct a new Golden Gate Bridge would be approximately $1.2 billion in 2003 dollars. The total price depends on a many factors including the extent of the environmental reviews and the cost of labor and materials.

http://goldengatebridge.org/research/facts.php

I don't think bridge is that cheap to do, guys.

Maybe it is all the high petrol prices you guys face in Europe that make it feasible. But when I was carshopping myself a few years ago, it didn't make economic sense for me.

Anyway, YMMV I guess (no pun intended)

debosky:
2.5bn for an 'on ramp' bridge. . . . sounds very fishy to me.

There are many reasons the contract could have been inflated - to pay off government cronies, to justify their toll charges on the Lekki Road or to serve as a pretext for hiking up the price of the Lekki and Coastal Roads and so on.

If a 115m bridge costs 2.5bn, then by simple extrapolation, a 1km bridge will cost  close to 25bn. . . .how much would a 20km coastal road then cost??

I was under the impression that bridges in general are far more expensive to construct than simple roads.

Using those #s, I get about $27 million per mile for a bridge. Is that an unreasonably high cost?

BTW, the N700 million this poster @bossine suggested sounds way too low to me (less than $8 million per mile.) It seems unlikely to me that you can build a (safe) bridge for that cheap in an already densely packed metropolis. Just as a bit of comparison, the golden gate bridge is ~1.7 miles and looks like it'd cost $1.7 billion to build (in 2003 dollars: http://goldengatebridge.org/research/facts.php). Granted, perhaps the comparison is a bad one for some reason (I'm not a civil engineer), but $8 million/mile isn't even in the right ballpark, is my guess.

Fashola baba

Isn't cost effective where I live.

Was on the market in 2007 for a car. Ended up buying non-electric. Would have cost me 3k-4k more, even with the subsidy and tax break to buy the electric.

Who knows, maybe the dynamics in the UK are different

Excellent, excellent news.

Where is the list of the participating states? I hope mine and the other SW states are on it.

Good job FG!

on OCTOBER 6, 2011 · in NEWS

BY FAVOUR NNABUGWU & FUNMI OLASUPO
ABUJA—The Federal Government has partnered its Japanese counterpart to train 70,000 primary school teachers in mathematics and science subjects in not less than 25 states of the federation.

Minister of State for Education, Mr Nyesom Wike, who received a delegation of Japan International Corporation Agency, JICA, said the partnership between the two countries would have 70,000 teachers trained in mathematics and science subjects through Strengthening Mathematics & Science Education, SMASE, programme.

Wike said the government intended to impact the right method of teaching on the teachers in order to enable pupils understand the subjects without difficulty by engendering pupils’ friendly method of teaching from the basics.

The programme, according to him, is designed to ignite pupils’ interest and curiosity in mathematics and science subjects.

“I want to thank the Japanese government for what they have been doing to support the country in various levels of education, particularly the basic and secondary education,” the minister said.

He disclosed that the federal government, through the Ministry of Education, wished that more states would get involved in the Japanese collaboration by increasing the partnership from the present 17 to 25 states.

He said: “I am aware that 17 states have join the program but 17 states are not enough. That is not even half of the 36 states.

“The ministry will put in more efforts to increase the number of states to at least 25; that will go a long way to impart on the system.”

Speaking earlier, the Japanese delegation, led by Mr Sumi Yoshitaka, said JICA commenced the programme in August last year, adding that it would appreciate a better implementation of the project in the country.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/10/fg-japan-to-train-70000-nigerian-teachers-in-maths-science/

I wonder about the competitiveness of these sacked workers.

How can it be more cost effective for Airtel to bring in Indians? Yet somehow it must be, if they decided to fire the Nigerians, right? They certainly would only do this move to increase their profit, not decrease it.

Hmm

Your family is too strict Rokiatu

With all that said, Skyscrapercity is a wonderful and enjoyable site to visit, if you are a Yoruba nationalist like myself

Lol.

Starting a business is exactly one of the options I'm considering next year.

Cannot help politically to be in support of legalizing prostitution, despite it probably making the most sense policy-wise.

Interesting that he is pushing for this.

Who knows, maybe it even is an inflated contract.

Then we have a very interesting question to ask ourselves: why is LCC then paying more money for a bridge than they have to? Given that this bridge is essentially a business expense for them, what incentive is there for them to build it for more than it costs (thus cutting into their profit)?


But of course, typical naija mentality is to say, "Oh, someone must be stealing."

Just the same way a shop owner robs merchandise from his own store, heh.

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1. How much do bridges cost?
2. How much of this N2.5 billion is actually being paid by Lagos, rather than their business partner?

Without those two pieces of data, your statement is nonsensical.

Gbawe:
Worldwide demand will fall even more drasically in the near future when electric vehicles replace cars relying on fossil feul. I suggest Nigerians do basic research to see that commercial production of electric cars in the West is now a well supported inevitability. The electric car will replace fossil fuel cars same as lcd TV has replaced CRT TV. Alas, while our top leaders are reactionary mediocrities, we can always bank on Nigeria lagging behind as far as the notion of responsive and visionary leadership that plans ahead.

Isn't feasible bro. Electric cars require massive subsidies from the government to be competitive. Also I don't think that the batteries have a great lifetime. Cannot remember how frequently you have to replace. . . on the order of 5-10 years?