₦airaland Forum

When did Hausaland even grow rice? That comes from the middle belt, or is imported.

Pepper, probably so, rice no.

man this thread turned ethnic real fast

koolgrap:
Na who get opportunity go move go foreiign,P square stop player hatin. U no like collabo then u are fakin usher raymond for naija people wey no open eye.  Psquare shut up & sit down

lmao

Is "Alhaji Rasheed Bello" a Yoruba name? All we know is that he is Muslim. Could be Yoruba, from Edo State, or from the North.

mbulela:
if you do it in your state they will say it is because he is not from your senatorial district.

Hehe, true  

Still, I think it is easier to fix problems in a state than at a national level.

coded guy:
The truth is that both the federal and states govt are all looking for more money to be available for stealing.

Agreed.

In a country where there has never been a standard and effective accountability process.

What has the states done with the monies that have been allocated to them, and why is the FG dictating like an autocratis govt.

THE SINCERERITY OF PURPOSE IS MOST IMPORTANT HERE!!!
Who do we trust in Nigeria, The Fed, State, or LG

None of them are sincere. . . LG, State, or FG. But I can demand more accountability in my LG than I can in my state. And I can demand more accountability in my state than in the Nigerian FG.

If the head of the SWF steals money and is Hausa or Igbo and I am demanding accountability, then people will say I am doing an ethnic witchhunt. So the money we paid in disappears, and there is no way to get it back.

Btw. . .

What guarantee is there as a governor that money you pay into this SWF account your state will ever get back?

I'd rather pay into a state SWF than a federal one.

What happens if I pay into a SWF and they use the money I paid in to build projects in Zamfara? Of what use is such a fund to me a citizen of Ekiti State, for example?

kulutempa:
Selfish interest leading ultimately  to a better country?  I doubt it.

In this case, yes. Since the end result of this "selfish interest" will be more money spent at the state level than the federal.

I believe that the FG is even less efficient, less accountable and less impactful with its spending than the state governments (perhaps not everyone agrees with this.) So for me, I oppose anything that weakens the states relative to the FG.

I also agree that some of these state governors don't give a crap about federalism.

But if their selfish interest leads to a weaker FG and thus a better country, so be it.

mbulela:
you are right but some of us understand federalism but are worried that these lot who call themselves governors are not in it for the love of federalism.
they just want more to loot.
the problem is that leaving the loot in the center fuels the lust of the thieves in Abuja.
whichever way,a thief prospers.
the crux of the matter is finding a way to ensure that our collective resource is used for the benefit of the masses not a few,either in Abuja or the state capitals.

I am sure that some of them are in it to loot (or stated more accurately, so that the money available to them to loot doesn't decrease.)

However, that is not really the point.

If we practice federalism, then there are certain powers that belong to the FG and others that belong to a state. If you decide that shiny national project Y or looting governor Z is the reason you want to let the FG encroach on a state's territory, thus weakening your federalism and make a more centralized state. . . well, I think it is very bad idea and a bad precedent.

If you support this, then don't complain if later down the line the FG decides to take on more powers for itself.

It is a bit sad here that many don't understand the principle of federalism.

Igbo kwenu, for real. Nice job.

SWF is a good idea in theory, but the implementation is suspect. If you want to fund it, use federal funds to do so. Don't use state funds. You cannot confiscate money due to State X in order to fund national program Y. . . no matter how cool, cute, important, etc national program Y is.

So for java, there is JUnit, TestNG, etc (though these first two seem to be the most popular.)

For Ruby, there are many.

For PHP, Python, C++, C, C#, etc I don't know what people use to test their code.

Basically, just curious about what tools people have found useful. Maybe you started off with JUnit but then moved to TestNG for reasons X, Y, and Z. Etc, etc.

Just curious. Whether your primary language is Java, C++, PHP or another language, what do you use to write your tests?

No reason to expect identical employment rates across ethnic groups (or "races", I guess)

I wish there was a list of how much oil each state, heck, each LGA produces in this country. Or is this information available, but i'm just not looking in the right places. . . ?

Bliss4Lyfe:
The foreigners in the Nigerian entity are probably the Fulani that migrated from North east Africa, present day Northern Sudan.

Fulani from Northern Sudan? Where did you get this from?

I respond to her so that others don't get the wrong idea and believe what she says, hehe

Ah, my bad. I thought it produced some small amounts of oil too.

Bliss4Lyfe:
The Igala are identified by the old oral tradition of Western Igbos as descendants of Igbo migrants who migrated westward during the expansion of the proto-Igbo peoples at the beginning of the 1st millennium.

But do the Igala themselves say this? I don't think so. It has been a couple months since I last looked into it, but I don't think they view themselves as Igboid in origin.

The Yoruba are in turn identified by some Igalas as descendants who continued on west and eventually settled across Western Nigeria and Benin. The other main tribe are the Ebira.

This I can believe. If you listen to for example the Bible in Igala (http://www.igalabible.com/), it sounds like some sort of strange Yorubaish language.

Igala and Yoruba are definitely related, somehow. Or so I think.

Notice how Igala sounds absolutely nothing like Igbo, by the way?

How much oil does Edo currently produce? I thought it is negligible.

Abia, Imo and Anambra supposedly also produce oil, but negligible amounts, if I'm not mistaken.

Desola:
Ogun? Why do I doubt that?

What does Ogun give back to Nigeria?

What I said about Ogun may not be true, at least right now. But I am starting to wonder about that state, especially with all the factories and business springing up there. Is the benefit and tax money from those factories and business going to Ogun State, or to the Nigerian FG? And if so, how does this compare to the oil allocations Ogun receives?

I don't know what the answer is.

I'm not beefing with Nigeria o!

This isn't about me hating Nigeria. I'm just trying to be realistic. Certain states in this country would be better off on their own.

Lagos, Ogun, Ondo, Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom. These states receive less in value from Nigeria than they contribute.

Others (like my own Ekiti State, for example), probably consume more than they contribute. You feel me?

It is arguable whether Lagos benefits. Fiscally, almost certainly not (for the reasons I stated a few posts above.)

Policywise, is staying in a country that cannot even get simple electricity right the best course of action? Probably not.

Maybe in some sort of fuzzy, pan-Africa sense, or African solidarity sense it does.

But as far as dollars and cents goes, doubtful.

Truth be told, Lagos State should value having electricity more than having any Nigeria.

Electricity >>>>> Nigeria.

With electricity, your factories can flourish. Then you don't need to trade/export/sell to Nigeria. You can then sell your goods to a planet of 6 billion+ people.

Nigerian government can declare whatever it likes. But the question is, can it enforce anything? After all, is Benin Republic not making a huge killing importing goods from abroad and exporting to Nigeria? Aren't people making big money smuggling oil out of Nigeria?

So of what value is such a declaration if you cannot control your border?

If Nigeria sets its customs duties to 15%, Lagos sets its own to 10%. People will import through Lagos and then smuggle across the border.

So why on earth do the Itsekiri not have their own state? If much of the oil in Delta belongs to them, then it would definitely be viable.

Perhaps when this Anioma State stuff happens, the Itsekiri should have their own state as well.

At the two posts above this one. . .

Lagos only gets the oil money currently through the following sources:

1) Oil allocations
2) Indirectly through the offices of certain multinational oil companies (incidentally, some of whom relocated more staff to Lagos as a result of the ND crises)

So if it were a separate nation, it would lose (1) and presumably some portion of (2).

However, Lagos currently does not get the following additional sources of money:
3) Import duties
4) Any revenue from export duties
5) The VAT it generates

My suspicion is that (3), (4) and (5) are worth vastly more than (1) and (2). This is why I think Lagos would be better off. (3) especially. . . can you imagine that all the massive amounts of goods imported through Lagos and the fees associated with those goods don't go to Lagos State, but instead to the FG?

kpogede77:
Are you an Itsekiri? if no then why are you complaining? Itsekiri own the oil in delta state, followed by a distant second Ijaw, Okpe Urhobo and Isoko in that order. Uduaghan is an Itsekiri, so why are you complaining about an oil you dont have?

Very interesting. Didn't know that.

hmm