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Looks like the question I posed will never be answered.

This is how I know when people are just doing the usual senseless grumbling and complaining they are inclined to do or if there is actually a real problem.

The cost of a road depends on location. As someone else has alluded to on this thread, that it is cheap to build roads in Abeokuta doesn't mean it will be cheap to build this "Airport Road" you mention in Benin City or the environs.

So 2.5 billion per KM is not necessarily a sign of theft or corruption.

efisher:
I used to think Sanusi will make a perfect president after he took on the house members but now I can see that there is some strange force pushing these folks.

Err. . . wtf? Even after seeing his writings on Gamji and such, you thought this?

Would you also elect a white supremacist as president of Nigeria and think that that would work out well?

More info here: http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/aug/26/national-26-08-2011-016.html


Looks like 2.4 km (1.5 miles).

So $5.8 million/mile, for a 6 lane road? That seems like a pretty good price, no?

By Dimeji Kayode-Adedeji
August 26, 2011 02:13AM

The Ogun State government yesterday signed a contract with China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC) for the construction of a six-lane road in Abeokuta, the state capital, in line with its determination to build infrastructure across the state.

The Commissioner for Information and Strategy, Yusuph Olaniyonu, made this known in a statement in Abeokuta Thursday, adding that the road, stretching between Ibara Roundabout and Ita-Eko-Totoro Road in the town, is expected to be completed within eight months.

He said the construction will cost the state government ₦1.3 billion and will consist of six lanes, median with street lights, drainage systems, sidewalk as well as a green belt on either side of the road.

The Ogun State Executive Council had earlier this month approved the construction and rehabilitation of several roads, cutting across the state in line with the governor Ibikunle Amosun's infrastructure development and urban renewal agenda. The governor had expressed his displeasure with the derelict state of road network in the state and promised to repair them.

Speaking at the signing ceremony, the state Commissioner for Works, Lekan Adegbite, and his Permanent Secretary, Musendiq Oni signed the contract on behalf of the state government, while CCECC Project Manager, Cai Junjie and the company coordinator, Hao Fengbin, signed on behalf of CCECC.

Mr Adegbite described the signing ceremony as a milestone in the life of the present administration. "The policy thrust of this administration is to improve on the road infrastructure in the state," he said, adding that the present administration planned to modernise and make adequate provision to ease traffic flow and improve commercial activities in the state.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/5739892-147/ogun_awards_six-lane_road_contract_to.csp

Sai Fayemi

kandiikane:
lool. .hmm

Good things indeed do come natural. Lookin good.

okunboy:
This is wat u get unfortunately in most states created by the military. I have always said okun people should not have been fused together with these 'igalas'. Okun should av just been left in kwara, where I believe we are comfortable. Even if there was any kind of alliance between ebiras and okuns, the ígalas' will still be in the majority. Sad truth!

Indeed. Why isn't Okunland still part of Kwara State?

Did you guys kick against it? If not, what were the reasons for the military moving ya'll?

Free education is a beautiful thing. Btw, I am also one of the products of Awo's free education program. At least I think my paternal family benefited from it.

Very impressive. Sloan genius grant especially.

Let me restate my question, so that we don't dance around like this forever.

What concretely should Oshiomhole do with the funds available to him that he currently isn't doing?

If he is not stealing any money, then are we arguing that Edo hasn't been transformed simply because he is spending the money unwisely? If so, then what would you do differently from him?

How would you eliminate poverty, or "transform [the] state?"

Perhaps I missed the point your post. But maybe if you answer the questions I posed, I'll better be able to understand it.

I don't mind. If every governor strives to surpass the efforts of Fashola in Lagos, then Nigeria would be a great country.

hehe

that spam filter is overaggressive

hercules07:
Morning devotion in Intercontinental, Word for Today (Intercontinental) and so on and so forth

Both of those are fine and legal, so long as it isn't mandatory (either explicitly or implicitly) for all employees. Elaborate on "so on and so forth."

If he lending money according to verse X from say the Book of Mosiah from the Mormon Bible? If so, then you can call his bank a Mormon one (though I'd object to you calling it a Christian one.)

Is he discriminating against non-Christians at the bank?

If he is not doing either of the above, then imo you have no grounds to call it a Christian bank.

djustice:
Who is this half-wit??

You obviously drank what they prescribed for you to bathe with, and bathed with what they prescribed for you to drink. Numbskull.

Muttalab is a mallam, and therefore a religious leader. Did that make First Bank an Islamic Bank? When Sanusi, an Islamic Scholar and Mallam, was CEO of First Bank, did it that make it an Islamic Bank?

+100. Also, someone should answer the question in bold. Is the CBN of Nigeria now a Muslim institution, since its head is a religious scholar too? What if it turns out that Muslims at the CBN go to devotion together (or whatever the Muslim equivalent of devotion is)?

Was the CBN Christian when Soludo was governor, and did it become Muslim with Sanusi?

pinkrex:
Think outside the box before you pass on comments. When the yearly budget is passed, they is always a percentage allocation to all regions according to population indices and other variable factors. The Governors have target or plan of how to develop the geographical location they are assigned to govern. They also generate income internally to boost their budget, so I think the Governors with good and focal administrative skills would have more than available to transform every state. Fashola's first tenure was a dedicated one, so you could see the rapid changes. Apart from Akpabio that towed through that line of governance, no other governor in Nigeria did but we could see the clear difference in transformation of the states i have mentioned.



You dont need ten years to transform a state if you are judiciously using the available funds for its purpose. It only takes a non corrupt mind to do justice

Can you please name a single nation or region anywhere in the world that had massive poverty in year 1 and eliminated it by year 10? This to me seems impossible.

Regarding bolded, are you saying that the primary reason the state hasn't eliminated poverty is because of Oshiomhole's corruption?

I think we should be a bit more realistic.

KnowAll:
Why Do We Glorify Mediocrity In Nigeria

I watched the program on how Edo Girls are lured into prostitution in Europe and what I saw of Benin City and Edo State in general has a lot to be desired. I am not too sure whether my eyes have become accustomed to more sane pictures and flicks of develop cities around that I found the pictures and stream of Benin and Edo State miserable, unpalatable and really  backwardly.  I thought to myself the girls are probably running away from abject poverty, environmental degradation and penury.

There was a scene where they went to a village, the roads where awful, the lady showing the journalist around said contract for the road has being awarded but the Chairman of the LG had absconded with the money, the people in the village looked dreary, gaunt and unhealthy in their mud houses.

So all this news that Adam Oshiomole is an action Governor where is that coming from now, let us stop praising mediocrity. Our Governors have being abroad and they see how those societies are set up, they should copy good things not that sham they keep on feeding us with.

Is "abject poverty" likely to be solved in just 4 or 8 years? How much did you actually expect to get done in that period of time? Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

Truth be told, there is really only so much a governor can really do to solve a problem like poverty.

I probably should have just made the first post I wrote in this thread and left it at that. Let Jenifa and others sink their time into explaining the obvious rather than doing so myself.

Oh well, you live and learn

Err, it didn't make sense to you. I explained. There is really nothing more to be said, is there?

I hope that this makes the front page. We need to recognize the good leaders we have in Nigeria.

afam4eva:
In this case we're talking of Kogi not Nigeria.

Who is this "we?" You may have been talking only of Kogi, I was not.

I don't even understand how you could read the statement "even a minority group like the Igala will monopolize power if they get the chance" and not immediately see that I am contrasting national minority with local majority (or I guess plurality.)

Princek12:
to the opponents of the sale, could you propose some viable alternatives that will help solve our power problem?

as for me, I support privatization of PHCN, but I think that it should be split and sold to multiple investors (at least 3), with preference given to local investors.

Ain't opposed to the sale, just want more oversight on who buys the discos and for 'em not to be sold to just one guy

afam4eva:
Who says Igala is a minority. Is that what you got from the article.

You have misread my post. A national minority can be a majority in a state.

Aight, post unbanned by spam filter.

Here it is in case you missed it:
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=744713.msg9009329#msg9009329 date=1314323065]I don't know PHCN more than either of them. However, I don't think 6 or 7GW worth of generating capacity is worth $100 billion. I looked at some brand new power projects on a power industry website and I was seeing way different prices.

See this for example: http://www.power-eng.com/articles/2011/08/gas-fired-power-plant-purchased-by-exelon.html

Scaling up, $420 million per GW. So the at most 10 GW Nigeria has capacity now for is worth let's say $4.2 billion. Even scale it up by 5 to account for factors we've not taken into account, this is roughly $20 billion. So I guess most of the value is in the distribution network and monopoly, not the power plants?

Anyway, I'm not claiming to know the answers, I'm just a bit surprised and to be honest suspicious.[/quote]Like I said, lots of questions about how they are getting to this $100 billion #.

I don't give a damn if they sell off the power plants for $50 billion; there is no monopoly in that. But the discos? That is a different kettle of fish.

premechaz:
Thank you for this insight. I assume you know PHCN more than the Brazilians and definitely more the Barth Nnaji. If I may ask, how much do you think PHCN is worth?

I don't know PHCN more than either of them. However, I don't think 6 or 7GW worth of generating capacity is worth $100 billion. I looked at some brand new power projects on a power industry website and I was seeing way different prices.

See this for example: http://www.power-eng.com/articles/2011/08/gas-fired-power-plant-purchased-by-exelon.html

Scaling up, $420 million per GW. So the at most 10 GW Nigeria has capacity now for is worth let's say $4.2 billion. Even scale it up by 5 to account for factors we've not taken into account, this is roughly $20 billion. So I guess most of the value is in the distribution network and monopoly, not the power plants?

Anyway, I'm not claiming to know the answers, I'm just a bit surprised and to be honest suspicious.

Kind of funny. I initially was going to learn C++ really well since it'd be more appropriate for the types of jobs i'll be looking for. But I found a few great Java books and learning resources, so am going with that instead.

Java is an easier language than C++ I think. No pointers in Java, nice big, well-documented and well-organized library. But aside from pointers, to me they basically seem the same. I think a C++ guy could pick up Java fairly quickly (basically within a week).

I think with these things, it is learning the ecosystem that takes more time (libraries, testing tools, debugging tools, etc). Not the actual syntax of the language itself.

That is a lot of money. Didn't think the assets were worth that much. This is all the PHCN power plants + distribution companies, right?

Goes to show you that even a minority group like the Igala will monopolize power if they get the chance.

Power needs to shift west or they should partition the state, imo.

efisher:
Two elephants were fighting and a rat decided to go in the middle. Shey u see yourself now?

hehe

A couple of 'em look good to me. I smell a lot of hating in this thread