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@ezeagu: We asked, "How did the Northerners kill Tinapa?"

You have yet to answer the question. You seem to be cutting and pasting articles you googled rather than explaining succinctly and precisely how they killed it.

You have posted some articles regarding Customs agents. If you do a bit of thinking, it should be clear to you why they were perfectly in order to seize those goods.

(Hint: [well, more than a hint, I'm giving you the answer], it would be extremely unfair if one can import finished goods into Calabar FTZ w/o paying any import duties and then export said finished goods directly into Nigeria, while goods entering every other port/entry point of Nigeria must pay import duties.)

These lagos threads are always pretty fun to read.

Yeah jason123, I've never heard of any sort of beef between Yoruba and Bini people before. Aside from the fact that we seem to be extremely popular with their women

Anyway, Nigerians get the government they deserve. People won't recognize something good that they have until it is gone. It is a damn shame.

The Bible says that a prophet is not respected in his hometown. Will it take Cameron, that US Ambassador, The Economist and various other neutral 3rd party observers to praise what you have as valuable before you realize it?

I don't get it

Look at how beautiful the Lagos model is. Private sector pays for the project and then hands it over in 30 years. If LCC gets screwed because nobody uses the road, then that is their own wahala. If their project doesn't make them enough money, tough luck for them. The only risk the public faces is the money the Lagos State government loaned to them as startup funds. Which iirc, was not very much.

Now, granted, Lagos State probably didn't do the project perfectly. I think it was Pafuri who pointed out in a thread earlier some mistakes the state might have made.

But the risk to the state and the people is small.

Compare this to Tinapa. Tinapa failing = Cross Rivers will be paying off this debt for the next 30 or 40 years.

So if Lekki Toll Road is a failure or "sore point", how much more Tinapa? My kids and grandchildren won't be paying off debt for Lekki, will they? But a Cross Rivers man my age, his grandchildren may very well be carrying that debt on their backs.

One thing that is slowly becoming clear to me is that Nigerians are easily carried away by flash rather than substance.

Tell me, why exactly was it a good idea again for the Cross Rivers government to go massively in debt to build a resort in the middle of nowhere?

I am not using this term to offend folk from Cross Rivers. But compare it to Dubai. Dubai gets a shitload of air traffic daily. It is easy to go there. Tickets are relatively cheap.

How does one get their goods in and out of Tinapa? How does one get their physical human body in and out of Tinapa? Are these not absolutely critical questions one must answer before sinking enormous amounts of public funds into a venture?

I don't get why this Donald Duke guy is supposed to have been such a great governor. Maybe I'm missing something.

When I hear people use weaksauce reasoning like "the Northerners killed it", it makes me wonder if anyone is using their brain at all.

Can someone explain this northerner's killed Tinapa theory?

Why would they even care whether it succeeds or fails? How do they suffer if rather than flying to Dubai for products, people go to Tinapa?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Or is northerners killed Tinapa = customs not allowing people to bring finished goods into the FTZ?

Abuja is pretty splendid.

How is he a collosus when Tinapa was an utter failure?

You want to build a resort in the middle of nowhere, with no reasonable transportation to and from it?

Dubai in Africa, minus the easy access to Dubai, electricity, roads, etc, etc? How much is Cross Rivers in debt from the project, $500 million+?

This is the man you want to compare to Fashola? 

Maybe he tried very hard. But in life, sometimes trying hard is not enough. Results are what matter. And Tinapa did not deliver.

Rgp92:
I wonder too, infact Eshu help saved the world from Olokun. He wasnt a bad guy. Hes just like hades, people also associat him with satan.

I have never heard this story. Can you tell it or link to it?

Roflmao

That was funny.

The girl doesn't look chinese to me though.

hehe

tpia@, I think he is Italian:


https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/6/62/Mario_Paper.jpg/180px-Mario_Paper.jpg

Lol his mustache is impressive.

Kobojunkie:
In this Nigeria, many will take this as short for "COLLECT AS MUCH BRIBE AS YOU CAN/PAY YOURSELF THROUGH BRIBE COLLECTION". . . . .

+1

His mindset would work well for the corporate sector. Work on commission, so to say. But for the public sector, will lead to corruption, i think. More details are needed.

Take this for example:

Owerri – Governor Rochas Okorocha of Imo State said in Owerri, Monday, that most of his political appointees would generate resources to fund their respective offices and create wealth for the state.

This is not really the mentality government should have. What does "generate resources to fund their respective offices and create wealth for the state" even mean? Taxation by the government doesn't create wealth, it redistributes it. Hopefully in ways that benefit all (e.g., creating a tax to fund schools, or building roads.)

I dunno, I'm a bit skeptical.

The missionaries did more good than evil, imo. Brought English and education. They helped my hometown a lot.

I don't understand bragging about not paying taxes in Nigeria, lol.

Taxes buy you good roads, schools, etc.

Taxation is the poor man's friend, not his enemy (well, a progressive tax system, anyways)

Interesting

Very unfortunate that they did that. It is better to try to understand a culture than to impose yours into it.

When and how did this happen?

I was listening to the bible in Yoruba and they used the word "Esu" for Satan. Yet from my understanding, Esu was more of a trickster god (like the Norse Loki), and shouldn't be considered the devil.

So was it the missionaries who identified him with Satan? This seems wrong to me.

Finally, do people worship Esu in Yorubaland?

Goodluck > Sanusi, no contest.

He speaks the truth.

Hehe.

Count on @logic101 to turn it into ol' massa (Cameron) praising his beloved house negro (Fashola)

Black folks sometimes are very predictable.

Eziachi:
If you take away the prospect of re-election by the incumbent, you are cultivating trouble. Just mirror the scenario where the likes of Ohakim, Akala etc where given a single six years term? Knowing that they are not coming back, you can guess what they will do. Despite their rigging, the fear of re-election keep some sane to some extent.

Hrm. That is a good point. But don't you think that the 4 year cycle tends to leave little time for actually governing? Years 3 and 4, a governor is focusing on getting relected. Year 1, usually nothing happens because he is still learning the job. Kinda see my point? If you are lucky, only 50% of the time a governor is in office is actually spent on anything useful.

What if we could eliminate those latter chunk of time when most governors are unproductive because they are focused on getting re-elected?

Anyway, I'm not saying that the answer is clear-cut. But I don't think the idea is absolutely terrible.

lol @ kasiem.

I wonder if this is just bravado.

Some very bold statements being made. And if you are anything like the typical skinny short dudes I've seen/met in Nigeria from the SE zone, doubly bold.

Anyway, talk on the net is cheap.

There is absolutely nothing to be jealous of. Let us leave it at that. Heh.

You can be content with yours, and I can be content with mine.

Hilarious thread

Sun of god:
Dont change you attitude - Nigeria needs people who think like you.

Unfortunately there are some 'pompous, arrogant sellouts' who believe Nigeria should transform itself into the 'West' before they return.

Let them live and Die in that foreign land they find themselves as mere economic migrants. Second class citizenship is what they've accepted.

Their attitudes are warped and their return to Nigeria will not benefit Nigeria in anyway.

Only people willing to make a difference should return - Not those longing for the day Nigeria introduces 'food stamps'.

Lmao. I swear, you are such a brainless fellow. At times I wonder if you are playing a character on NL. . . surely nobody can believe what you actually write.

^-- Supposedly Lagos State's energy consumption today is 10k+ MW. They get about 1K MW from the FG, and the rest is generated privately.

So the amount the government supplies less than 1/10th of the demand.

Building 20K today for the SE is probably not a bad idea. Whatever you don't use you can sell off, so not a big deal. And the demand might grow faster than you think.

With this sort of thing, I think it is better to overbuild than underbuild. You can always find a buyer of electricity in Africa; after all this continent in general doesn't have enough power. If somehow Nigeria overbuilds, then it can sell excess to Togo, Benin Republic, Cameroon, etc

nagoma:
@Negro Ntns;

", We love the word "supreme". How many supreme councils "of anything" exist in Nigeria? Lol",  

My brother .The "sibling jealousy" is being carried too far in Nigeria - churches now have minaret -like structures piercing the sky lines.We have full pledge Christian pilgrims board with pilgrimage training and everything , if we actually have Islamic banking we will surely get The Bank of Christ PLc,  we will have the Supreme Council of Christian affairs as my fellow NLander has alrady pointed out the uniqueness of the word SUPREME and should it be left to muslims alone? Many of my Christian colleagues now pray 5 times a day in congregation (at least) to ensure parity. I would urge the muslims to get even in other areas -The Christian brothers have high sounding and important positions such as THE ARCH BISHOP, DIOCESE, THe RIGHT REVEREND, CARDINAL, PALM SUNDAYetc . The Muslims must agitate to get some of these high sounding positions and places.
My Christian collegues should not forget that the Sultan (an office which should be rotated according to zones  using the PDP formula - as we dont want to reinvent the wheel - has been in the criminal north for 2000 years!). The Sultan as I was saying will  in the next few days be on National TV announcing the commencement of Ramadan, but why? why? why ? when christian fast even  for longer period - LENT is 40 days , a good 10 days longer that the muslims Ramadan. . The CAN president will on the same evening announce the Chistian fasting whether the moon is sited or not.

Jealous? Christians, jealous of Muslims? Christianity jealous of Islam?  

Lmao. There is nothing in Islam for a Christian to be jealous of, I assure you of that. Hehe. I will leave it at that. . . if you never in your life say something that foolish again.

lmao @ okada_man

Well done

CAN hasn't really done anything wrong, in my opinion.

Complaints
Every region in this country has certain sentiment and issues that make them aggrieved and which they want to purge out to solve. The issue of Resource Control of the Niger Delta has not been resolved. The only palliative they have now is that they have their son as the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. That is why they lie low. They still habour the grievances that they are being cheated. In fact, we in the south west also believe that we are being cheated. Our Seaports here are supposed to be part of our resource control. The Airport is here. We have border post. After oil, the next highest revenue generating avenue is the Seaport.

Yet, trucks that ferry away our resources from our Seaports damage our roads. And we believe we take the largest quantity of alcohol in this country and the Value Added Taxes (VAT), collected here are taken to develop those states that practise shariah. So, we also have a lot of things to hammer. Our solid minerals are not developed. We have oil in some strategic locations in the South-West. They are not explored. And the kind of patronage we get in Lagos fetch us a lot of revenue. We believe that all these and others would be discussed at the conference.

Interesting comment from Gani Adams.

Sounds like an invitation for massive corruption?

You don't want SAs or government officials generating their own pay, lol