₦airaland Forum

The idea of a cashless economy is fine, Sanusi's specific implementation of it is not. As Okonjo-Iweala has already alluded to.

@Akanbi_edu: There is nothing wrong with distrusting the north. It isn't as if they have a track record of good governance and good leadership when in power.

If they just keep NYSC and make it optional and give people more freedom to chose where they serve, I'd be happy enough with that. But making it optional probably will cause most to do something else.

Dis Guy:
They invented a chair, a bed and an operating table lmao!! I bet the next line would be 'the government should come and patronise us'

No picture nothing o

when their mates are creating man made organs, they are knocking wood together and rubbing oil

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8624593/Transplant-of-worlds-first-man-made-organ.html

^-- Research above is frikking amazing, lol. Damn. I'm impressed.

I'd rather see video evidence so I can judge for myself rather than taking the word of authors who may or may not have a vested interest.

Aganga is too much of a company man. No way he should have been defending GEJs profligacy earlier.

With that said, Atiku is just playing politics

Nah, I think Nigerians in Nigeria have it about right. There are lots of things that 1st or even middle-income countries have that Nigeria lacks.

With that said, it is a fine country to live in if you have a lot of money. But we can say that about even Haiti, Zimbabwe, or any # of other terrible countries

What is the point of the military service? I thought those Scandinavian countries which require 1 year mandatory service (or Singapore which requires 2, iirc) have tiny populations, and do it to boost the size of their potential military force.

Nigeria doesn't have a small population, and I doubt they plan on drastically reducing the size of the military. So why is this being suggested?

Saying you want progress is more than mouth alone

Thing I've never understood about these types too. . . if you are going to worship another ethnic group and identify with a foreign culture, why choose a retrogressive, backwards people/culture to identify with like the Arabs? Who would be irrelevant in the world if not for oil, and haven't had any real success for 600 or 700 years?

Why not identify with people who are actually advancing like the Westerners?

I don't get it.

I don't have any real problem with Yoruba Muslims and other moderate Muslim types (Turks, Persians and Lebanese are good folk too in my experience).

People I usually see causing trouble are the Arab-worshipping, anti-Western, anti-progress Muslim types. Unfortunately, this sort of mindset seems to be popular in the north.

If Awolowo's vision of free education is copied and implemented properly in all of Nigeria, the country would be better off.

Kudos to Akpabio for doing this.

In 20 years time, the state and its people will have zoomed past its peers

Ess:
Bunch of cry babies in here, cry all you can. The deed has been done!

Hehe

There is too much opposition for this to see the light of day. It will die. And hopefully with it Sanusi's career. Good riddance to both, I say

Then the civil servants need to stop watching TV all day.

They need to be working minimum 40 hours a week. Send them out to do construction or something so we can get value for our money.

vicenzo:
@ekt bear.

I was just messing with you.

Hehe, I'm joking too man (unless you really do happen to have an attractive single female relative you wanna introduce me to ). You know I don't get offended much by things on NL

@phantom: I agree that starting small will help. As far as whether it can be solved completely, I just don't have enough information to know.

@vicenzo: Hehe  

How about this, if you have a beautiful single female relative (of the right age), you can introduce her to me. That way I can both demonstrate that I don't hate your folk and settle what is being disputed in this thread

Of course banks will not loan you money to do something illegal. But there is nothing religious in their hesitancy. I don't understand what the point of that example is. Make it something religious that isn't explicitly illegal, and I'm sure you can find a bank willing to loan you money for it.

Las Vegas for example. . . that city was built w/ bank assistance. And gambling is usually banned in Christianity (or at least so I've been told)


Anyway, there is nothing obvious at all about banking being Christian. Besides, many things which seem obvious after thinking about them a bit more the answer turns out to be different than you thought.

I'm not advocating throwing up your hands and doing nothing. Certainly spend money each year improving it. But I doubt that it will ever be really solved completely. Managed so it doesn't get worse yes, improvement, probably so, but solved completely, probably not.

Yep, looks like there is no solid foundation for anyone saying the modern banking system is Christian in origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking

Seems to be Italian in origin, and not developed by any church or religious organization.

So unless someone also wants to call pizza and spaghetti Christian, then doesn't seem to be any good argument for calling modern banking either

Hehe

I am both a mallam and a madam? lmao

In case it isn't clear, I'm a dude.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=708147.msg8670335#msg8670335 date=1310047093]I'm glad the beautiful ladies, ekt and tpia asked.

Particularly, an interest derivative savings and loans system was the creation of the Jews.[/quote]Evidence for this? I thought their traditional law bans that type of stuff? Remember the 7th year debt forgiveness from the bible (old testament, iirc), etc? You'll need to provide a reference to back this up.

The law system we practice is also a direct derivative of the Judeo-Christian laws.

Any evidence for this? English law is derived from Christianity or Judaism? Provide a reference to back it up.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=708147.msg8670199#msg8670199 date=1310046082]The problem isn't what Ngozi approves or disapproves. The issue should be regarding religious sponsorship what does the constitution say?

Does constitution give Nigeria a religious status, in other words, is Nigeria a christian nation, a muslim nation or an Ifa nation?

If its none of these, then Nigeria has since independence been supporting and sponsoring a Christianity Banking.

Nigeria has been sponsoring and subjecting its citizens to a Christianity civil jurisprudence.

Has anyone thought about that when weighing the Northerner's demand for Sharia and Islamic banking?[/quote]What on earth is Christian banking? What is Christian civil jurisprudence? When did Nigeria support or implement either?

phantom:
now this does make a lot of sense, but when you consider lagos,  a city with an existing network of drainages we might not be talking about much, The question is is the lagos state government seeing this as an emergencyis there a drainage masterplan?

I'm sure everyone is aware of the problem, but as Garth alluded to it will cost too much money to solve completely. So I guess the government will do what it can, and people will just have to deal with it  

What else can you do? The population of the state is probably around 20 million, yet the infrastructure was probably meant for 5 million  

How do you solve decades of bad planning and neglect in a single 4 year term? Probably impossible. I dunno.

Reading online a bit, it seems that my intuition was correct. So the original example I posted which @phantom had issue with was fine.

@phantom: So do you agree or disagree that population density matters if you want to get a sense of how much things will cost? It makes intuitive sense to me, but I don't see why you think it isn't relevant.

Just saying one city is 100 acres and another is 100 acres probably doesn't tell you much about how much things will cost unless you know how many people live there. A single family on a 100 acre farm probably doesn't need to spend any money on drainage for his property. Otoh, by the time that plot of 100 acres has 100,000 people on it, now you have to start shelling out cash.

This is just my intuition as a layman and non-expert, though

phantom:
If you have a city 2x the size of lagos(land mass) with 1.5million residents compared to lagos with 17million residents, which will need more money to sort out drainage??(this is not a trick question)

I'd strongly suspect that Lagos would be the one that needs more money to sort out drainage, no?

Or think about it this way. . . would it be cheaper to do drainage for a hypothetical Lagos State with only 1 million residents or Lagos State with 40 mllion residents?

I'd imagine that the former is much cheaper to do drainage for. . . land acquisition costs easier, less constraints on what you do and where you build, and the natural mostly untouched ecosystem helping you soak the rainwater.

If she said Islamic banking is OK, then she is wrong.

Non-interest banking is fine, though.

Anyway I doubt she really specifically OKed Islamic banking. Daily Trust is a paper with an agenda on matters like this.

Kobojunkie:
^^^^ Aren't you the same that pretended he was not in any way comparing population of the two cities in this? And this is after I pointed out, over and over now, that population density/differences is of NO RELEVANCE to this discussion?? WOW!!

It might behoove you to stay clear of discussions on Lagos for a while -- this is ofcourse unless the biased image is what you are really going for.

Kobo, for the most part up to this point I've respected you. I will continue to do so, for now. But I would suggest that you respect yourself, and more importantly spend time understanding what people have written before responding to them.

Anyway, I shall leave it at that.