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ZnO:
That goes both ways for you too. Fasola for 2015 my big black bakassi.

So be it. Then a northerner will rule over both of us in 2015 (or whenever GEJ leaves).


[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=706842.msg8658113#msg8658113 date=1309902725]ACN can win if they pick El rufia is president and Fashola as vice,[/quote]That works if the PDP picks an unpopular northern candidate or say an Igbo. Perhaps that is Fashola's best bet. Though it is quite unfortunate to be VP to a man that you are better than.

GEJ in 2015 is fine by me. But whether he party allows him to run is another thing.

As for ya'll, camel has a better chance of passing through the eye of a needle than for 2015 to happen.

I don't think even Igbo believe in 2015 anymore, lol. They have restrategized for 2023

If that is the case, then he won't be president. I doubt he will abandon the ACN.

And if there is no path in 2015 and he loses under ACN, so be it.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=706842.msg8657996#msg8657996 date=1309901650] u are joking right

who told u el rufia would not give fashola some problem

elrufia trandformed abuja to the way it is now, so i would rather vote for him than fashola because of his "dark cloud" tinubu

also don't forget atiku, next election atiku would pull some weight[/quote]The point is, I want the Northern vote/support split and for the SE ideally to vote for their own candidate (rather than the northerner). Under those circumstances, we can get a win.

Otherwise it becomes difficult if not impossible

My hope is that in 2015, the field looks something like this:

a) an unpopular Northern PDP candidate (Sambo?)
b) popular Northern CPC guy annointed by Buhari (El-Rufai?)
c) And some sort of APGA presidential candidate (Rochas?)

Under circumstances like that, I think we have a shot. But if it is some sort of popular northern candidate on the PDP ticket, or SE decides to support the unpopular Northern PDP guy, then it'll be close to impossible (imo).

None of them compare to Fashola. However, political realities will make it challenging for him in 2015. Competency (unfortunately for him) is not the only criteria for being selected for office.

Though if Rochas has an exceptional term and Fashola flops in his 2nd term, I'll revise my statement.

Anyway, the lesson going forward is not to trust sensitive positions like CBN chairman to certain types of northerners. You look at the dude's resume and even wonder how he became bank MD and CBN chairman. Worked for 5-6 years after college, then went to Sudan for Islamic religious training for 6 years, return to Nigeria and then within 2 years get promoted rapidly?

He has never struck me as some sort of genius to advance that rapidly despite his limited work experience.

Sounds like wuruwuru to me.

Sanusi in Aso Rock?

A bigot like him (go read some of his writings online on gamji.com and other such sites)? And who would vote for him or support him?

Let him run for governor of his Kano state, or perhaps think of becoming Emir there. But as far as national politics goes, I doubt most in southern Nigeria trust him.

Let GEJ stay another 4 years, if needed. There is no need for a guy whose first instinct is to Islamicize the country.

^-- Impressive. More grease to your elbow, loma.

4 Play:
Th Shagari and Buhari years were the worst. You simply have to look at the sheer magnitude of the contraction of the economy in those years. IBB is not far behind, I will say he was the third worst.

You might be right, I guess it is arguable. Here is a plot of gdp/capita data, btw:

https://i55.tinypic.com/2up8ydu.png
(generated from data on http://data.un.org/)

dayokanu:
In the case of Bisi Akande, the strong foundation he laid by reducing the workforce was eroded when he was voted out and the chop I chop PDP was voted in

Now it has set the state back to where it was before Akandes restructuring

What Akande did was ask: that Why should we have 9 CRK teachers in a school and have 1 Maths teacher? It doesnt make sense He retrenched the redundant teachers and paid them their benefits but that was what led to his loss at the elections and set back the state.

ACN has learned their lessons from the ADs mistakes in 2003. So hopefully it will be less vulnerable to being wrongfully punished at the polls by foolish voters.

However, the media and folks like you and I have to play our part too by educating people on why certain policies might hurt in the short term, but helpsl in the long run. And in the case of cutting down bloated civil services, it doesn't even really hurt in the short term. After all, road construction requires workers as well.

I'd rather pay N18k to a construction worker breaking his back rather than some lazy and idle civil servant sitting down watching Africa Magic on DSTV all day.

dayokanu:
Downsizing was what Bisi Akande did that got him into trouble between 1999-2003

Downsize early on your adminstration. By year 3 and 4 when election time comes, everyone will have forgotten the harsh measures you took early on

Anyway, he should be more concerned about doing what is right for Oyo State rather than serving two terms. One brilliant 4 year term is better than 20 years of mediocrity

@alj_harem: You may as well ask a goat to roar like a lion as to ask for any sort of solution or even sensible comment from EzeUche or ZnO. When have they ever posted anything of that nature on this forum?

Both are one trick ponies. For either of them to comment intelligently on public policy is obviously beyond their capabilities.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=706662.msg8656697#msg8656697 date=1309889773]If you stomach the courage to utter this in PH you will be lynched. Mark my words![/quote]Which of them have the liver? None of them have taken up your challenge

If what Garth says is true, then there is nothing really that can be done for now.

However, this is a problem that most cities in Nigeria have.

There has to be a way. Personal income tax might not be able to capture enough from that plant. Hrm. . .

Hehe. Look very well throughout your history. You have never won any battles in Nigeria (to my knowledge) w/o treachery. Tiv and the middle belt people have been kicking your @sses now for close to 200 years. They will defeat you unless the police or military intervene on your behalf. Simple as that. Vastly outnumber you, are just as well armed, and are willing to fight.

The only peace can be for you all to return to your own homelands in Sokoto, Niger Republic or wherever ya'll are from.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=706157.msg8655924#msg8655924 date=1309882583]i don't think you are thinking right again [/quote]Hehe, if you say so

namfav:
no one has declared a war on fulani and won, let us accept peace here ok

benue doesn't belong to the tiv

Indeed, Fulani martial prowess is legendary. That is why you are little better than slaves throughout the rest of west africa. Anyway, it appears that the Tiv are no fools. . . they know enough about what "peace" means in this case. If they have any sense in their heads, they'll crush you like bugs.

wesley80:
Income tax of registered companies is the exclusive preserve of the Federal govt regardless of location, so your little math is nothing but wishful thinking. If the company is not headquartered in Ogun state, the only income taxable wld be the Personal income of 'Resident workers', which means the state where the headquarter is located eg Lagos wld be the one collecting all Personal income taxes for expatriates!

Is there no means for Ogun State to tax this plant? Corporate tax, tax on sales, some large annual fee on the land they use, etc? Surely there must be a way.

If my math is correct, using this 12,000 ton figure per day and assuming N1000 per 50 kg bag, this plant will be grossing ~$530 million/year.

I don't know the specifics of Ogun State's tax policy, but even if they are only capturing 2% of the gross in taxes, this is $10.6 million/year from this single plant.

And with the economic activity in the state, Ogun could easily raise 50 times this amount if Amosun works hard. So I really don't want to hear any complaints from the guy about lack of money.

In addition to being there for the commissioning of the plant, Amosun had better ensure that Ogun State gets its share of the profit made by this plant through taxation.

There is no reason for anyone to be complaining about low IGR/revenue in Ogun State with so much economic activity.

04 Jul 2011

By Crusoe Osagie

Cement manufacturer, Lafarge Cement WAPCO, has commissioned its N23 billion power plant in Ewekoro Ogun State, in a move to ameliorate the power crisis currently facing the country.

The N23 billion plant, which consists of six units of 15 Megawatts power plant will generate a total of 90 megawatts both to fire Lafarge’s Lakatabu cement plant and to support Nigeria’s quest for power sufficiency.

Managing Director of Lafarge Cement WAPCO, Mr. Samy Abdelkader, who spoke during the commissioning ceremony in Ewekoro chaired by governor of Ogun State, Senator Ibikunle Amosun, stressed that the 90 megawatt power plant, which will be fired with gas and liquid fuel, will efficiently supply the factory’s power need and boost power supply in the country.

He said, “The N23 billion power plant, which consists of six 15 megawatts units will be the first operating dual firing plant in Nigeria. It has a dual-firing system, which can make it to use both gas and liquid fuel. The importance of the power plant to stable cement production cannot be overestimated in our commitment to ensure availability and affordable cement for Nigerians especially considering the various power related challenges our company has encountered in past”.

According to him, the idea of its new plant was conceived in 2008, while construction started with the foundation laying ceremony February 2009.

The Managing Director added that the Lakatabu factory will be giving birth in the next few weeks as it is finalising the construction of the infrastructure necessary to make cement.

“I want to assure you that Lafarge WAPCO is wholly committed to remaining a true leader by delivering value to our customers and the built sector. What you are experiencing today is a reflection of the fact that when we promise, we deliver. We are completing the plant on schedule as promised to all our stakeholders,” he said.

He expressed confidence that the Ewekoro II will not just be a cement plant, noting that it will be an embodiment of its commitments to innovation and customer care, a developed work force, with adherence to high quality products and standards, commitments to the values of health and safety and corporate governance.

He said upon the commissioning, the company will be contributing around 12,000 tonnes of cement on a daily basis to the Nigeria cement market. “Our new plant will be a further testimony to our company’s leadership in innovation as it has the capacity to produce four different qualities of cement to better serve customers’ special requirements,” he said.

He added that the company has keyed into the Federal Government’s backward integration policy, which aims at self-sufficiency in cement production.

He commended the Federal government’s support to local manufacturers of cement, adding that the company is convinced it will achieve an appreciable stability in the cement sub-sector when there is more volume of cement available to Nigerians. He pointed out that availability will on the long run have a major impact on affordability which is of great concern to the company.

In his remark during the ceremony, the Governor, Senator Ibikunle Amosun, hailed the efforts of the company in the industrialisation of Ogun State and the nation at large.

He pledged his government’s commitment towards improving the operating environment, to ensure that industries and the entire private sector do not have a hard time operating from Ogun State.

He also stated that the Ogun state government was interested in partnering with Lafarge in various areas to improve infrastructure in the state.

According to Amosun, with Abeokuta requiring only about 30 megawatts power supply to power the entire capital, the state will be looking into a strategic partnership with Lafarge to make that possible in the nearest future.

Apart from seeking partnership with Lafarge in respect of independent power projects, Amosun also said the state will be requiring partnership with Lafarge in the construction of high quality international standard trailer parks in the Mowe-Ibafon axis of Ogun state to end the menace caused by parked trailers on express roads.

Amosun said “Government will do everything within its power to make Ogun state secure and peaceful. We are planning a security trust fund to be established in the state and will be requiring free will donations from individuals and private sector bodies in order to assist the police and other security agencies in the state.”

Acknowledging the 4.5 million metric tonnes total cement production capacity of Lafarge WAPCO, the governor charged them to expand their business and boost output to a minimum of 10 million metric tonnes per annum in the near future.

Chairman, Lafarge Cement WAPCO, Chief Olusegun Osunkeye, said the N23 billion 90-megawatt plant the company is commissioning is a clear demonstration of Lafarge’s strong commitment to the Federal Government’s backward integration policy, which emphasises on availability and affordability of cement in the country through the encouragement of local cement manufacturers.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/lafarge-unveils-n23bn-power-plant-in-ewekoro/94434/

I don't know about the process of refining oil or building rigs specifically, but these are hundred-million dollar if not billion-dollar projects.

I think a lot of this is the capital, not really lack of knowledge.

Or poor policy-making that inhibits business.

Mai Suya:
I think you are missing the point here. how many people are under the employ of the State govt? it doesn't make sense, to me at least, to spend so much money on relatively small group of people, when such resources could be more usefully deployed to better to lives of a much larger number.

it doesn't have to be road alone; other capital projects that would impact the lives of the citizens should be embarked upon.

Very well said.

Hehe. You ran away after I abused you and you were roundly mocked by others. Just as you did in that "Something fishy about Zik and Awo education" thread. You coward and fool

Here is a chance for you to respond. . . if you dare: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=702094

My lack of comprehension indeed.

In any case, as in that thread, you should educate yourself a bit about which airports are profitable and which are not.

ZnO:
Well, your wish is what it is: a mere wish. Lagos airport is our collective heritage, like Abuja, Kano, PH and soon Enugu. No SW state will be given that airport. Build yours like other states have done. Thank you.

Lekki Airport is in works, so have no fear on that front.

BTW, Lagos airport money is used to fund which airport?

This, again? Must I educate you on everything? Did you not learn your lesson from the Goldman Sachs/World Bank incident? Kindly do your own investigation. I am not here to feed you.

Hehe.

Used collective money to "build and maintain it", then the funds that airport generated used to subsidize airports elsewhere.

Somehow I suspect that your assistance is not at all desired or wanted, especially since this seems to financially have benefited the federation far more than Lagos.

Free food indeed.

ZnO:
Is the SW the one maintaining Lagos airports? Is Lagos airport a state airport? It is such cocky idiocy that needs to be checked. Imo state built an ariport single-handedly without Fed help. How many airports are in SW built by a SW state?

Truth be told, I wish the FG would just hand over MMIA to Lagos State. Perhaps if that occurred, then there would be less need to build this new airport in Lekki. Just refurbish MMIA and make it world class, then the state can enjoy the revenues from it.

This is one of those cases where the less FG involvement, the better.